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Sorry, but most cuban health care facilities don't even have working toilets. Patients are instructed to bring their own supplies from home.

They have a little bit of decent health care, but it's reserved for Communist Party elites and foreign visitors who can pay. Everyone else in the country gets lousy health care where after waiting forever to see someone, they have to hope they washed their hands by bringing in their own soap and water and didn't go near the atrocious conditions of the rooms.

See also:
http://blog.acton.org/archives...
https://www.therealcuba.com/?p...
https://www.nationalreview.com...
https://www.washingtonexaminer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
and many, many others with photos and videos documenting the real care there.

Castro did indeed create an amazing medical system for a third world nation and their education system isnt so bad.

Stop
spreading
this
myth.
Just stop.

Just use Google ffs.

Oh boy, I sure hope this game lets you blind fold and shoot people that didnt go along with the glorious Cuban revolution!

http://www.therealcuba.com/page5.htm

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

You're kidding, right? He's spending like crazy in arms, has allied his government with the members of the evil empire, he supports any and every known terrorist group, allows use of Venezuelan territory to aid in the drug trade, sends uranium directly to Iran in a non-stop direct weekly flight, has strong ties with the oldest ever in history tyranny in the Caribbean and you think that the SOB is a benevolent dictator. Either somebody stole your share of common sense or you're one of the many useful idiots in which satraps rely for support and the propagation of their lies. http://www.therealcuba.com/ Armando V. Barreiro-Santos

Augusto Pinochet, a brutal monster who, as I said, slaughtered his people for generations to come

"Operation Condor" was not purely Chilean — read your own link. Throwing a number like 60K without any proof is not convincing, and even if they were 60000, most of them wouldn't have been Chileans simply because it was a far smaller country, than the other participants of the operation (Brazil alone had more people, than all the others combined, and Argentina had roughly twice the population of Chile.)

Nope, Augusto Pinochet has "slaughtered" under 3200 people — most of them Marxists, who deserved a rather terrible fate simply for dabbling in the most murderous ideology known so far. They do not qualify for "generations" at all... Indeed, Chile's population continued to grow smoothly throughout the 20th century...

Even if Allende remained merely a naive kind of Socialist, far more of his countrymen would've died simply from the inevitable economic failures. And if he turned into (or were succeeded by) something like Castro or Che Guevara, then things would've been even worse. If you begrudge Pinochet the 3000 dead Marxists, what am I to make of your admiration for Che (which you don't deny), who is responsible for thousands of executions (in a smaller country) — and even killed several dozens personally?

Pinochet is a famous bogey man of Illiberals like yourself, but the facts are against you. As far as dictators go, Pinochet was rather benevolent. He helped his country avoid the hell of Socialism (which, having experienced it on myself, I wouldn't wish upon many), and stepped down on his own, leaving his country in a very good shape. Whatever role the US played in these events, Chileans have to thank us for it.

Pinochet was no slaughterer, and your example is thus rejected (again). I must note smugly, that, indeed, no suitable examples exist — the US, in its Cold War fights with the USSR, had more scruples, than our foe. Maybe, it was simply because our cause was just...

I've handed you your ass over and over again in this debate

Don't kid yourself. Your "arguments" are only good to rally those, who already agree with you. They aren't convincing at all... (And stop thinking about my ass. Thank you.)

the Cuban model which doesn't rely on US drug companies and still manages to get pretty good results.

Either your standard for pretty good is very low or you are talking about the health care that Communist Party elites and foreigners with hard currency receive and NOT the health care received by ordinary Cubans.

What makes the entire story laughable is the fact that the Cuban people are far too busy trying to simply survive in Castro's "worker's paradise." The idea that using Linux on the few available computers on the island is some kind of advancement means nothing when eating is your primary daily goal.

You also mentioned their "health care." All one has to do is spend five minutes here to see what the average Cuban's medical care consists of.

There isn't a single person posting here would would find this life acceptable. Yet people continue to worship Castro and Che as visionaries except for the murderers and thugs that they are.

They are shit holes, in shambles, unsanitary. These are the ones normal Cubans get to visit as opposed to the nice hospital for the party elites and foreigners with cash that you saw in Sicko. Trying to sneak photos of them out of the country can get you arrested, but some have succeeded. I like the guy taking his sick father to the hospital in a wheelbarrow because there were no ambulances. If I go to a pharmacy here I have to pay, but I can get my drugs. There you will see a sign saying there are no prescriptions available.

Oh you're so right mr. genius! Why don't we take into consideration that they're a "shit hole" communist country with dirty hospitals, etc.. no money for ambulances.. and then ask ourselves.. WHY are they so dirty and poor? Oh yeah, it's the trade embargo (because they're just... communists! ...unlike all those other communist countries we don't mind.. like China)thanks to the US!

The simple fact is that despite that handicap, they still at least try to provide free medical care to their citizens, which is more than I can say for our government and you selfish greedy bastards crying "not out of my wallet!".

If people living in a "shit hole" communist nation can take care of their people to the level that they even come close to our health care ratings, they're obviously doing something right, and we should be as ashamed as we are shamed by it.

You forget this is a communist totalitarian state we're talking about. They never tell the truth, just like the Soviet Union was broadcasting about record wheat harvests that'll feed everybody while we were sending them the millions of tons of grain they needed to actually do it.

Yeah, we get so many great truths out of our wonderful republic don't we? lies about WMDs, lies about links to terrorism, lies about threats to our nation, etc.. it goes on and on, and that's just Iraq 7 years ago. Get a clue and stop feeling like this is the greatest country in the world, guess what, maybe it was once, but it certainly isn't now.

Yeah, it's easy to keep that infant mortality rate low when the gov aborts children the test as sick before they're born.

http://www.canf.org/Issues/medicalapartheid.htm
http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA557_Cuban_Health_Care.html
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

These not mainstream enough for you? 20/20 did a story for ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-8TcpOz6A4

Here's fox, but we all know their biased
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Ve9wA1cpc&feature=related

I'm so excited to turn out like this.

They are shit holes, in shambles, unsanitary. These are the ones normal Cubans get to visit as opposed to the nice hospital for the party elites and foreigners with cash that you saw in Sicko. Trying to sneak photos of them out of the country can get you arrested, but some have succeeded. I like the guy taking his sick father to the hospital in a wheelbarrow because there were no ambulances. If I go to a pharmacy here I have to pay, but I can get my drugs. There you will see a sign saying there are no prescriptions available.

You forget this is a communist totalitarian state we're talking about. They never tell the truth, just like the Soviet Union was broadcasting about record wheat harvests that'll feed everybody while we were sending them the millions of tons of grain they needed to actually do it.

In order for it to be socialism, we have to actually get something out of it.

I'm sorry, maybe I missed something during the past 53 years...you actually get something out of socialism? Can you tell me what that might be? I'm running a list of socialist-based political governments, past and present, through my head, and I'm damned if I can come up with one where the citizens genuinely got something. That is, other than a controlling centralized government, restrictions an all economic activity and commerce, and "government services" that frequently fail to meet even minimum standards.

Yes, socialist systems always appear to work well at the outset, but they eventually collapse under their own weight, often under the hidden corruption of the leadership that's supposed to be providing everything for the "people."

I suppose I'll be accused of being a piggish capitalist, but no need for the socialists to get all riled up. You can get free health care in Cuba, the Socialist Worker's Paradise.

Is this up to the same level as the US?

You of course are aware that Cuba has way better medical care for its citizens than the US does?

Think they'll like to pass on getting US style medical.

This is a completely lunatic statement. Do you actually believe that bullshit?

Here is the "health care" that ordinary Cuban citizens "enjoy".

Sure. Castro's a great guy. Follow this link to read approximately 9100 people who disagree, because they have been murdered. http://cubaarchive.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=14&Itemid=96/

Or you could instead read this about Castro's firing squads, a little piece of history most people have forgotten. Don't forget to click on the Videos link at the top for videos about Cuba, to see just how grand a guy Castro is.
http://www.therealcuba.com/page5.htm

No, after reviewing the information contained in these links you will come to realize what a scourge on a nation Castro is. And as a Cuban, it makes me truly cry thinking about what this man has done to this once-proud nation. A true, free democracy is the future of Cuba, and I hope that this comes sooner rather than later.

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm Because it's so damn good. Can't wait to have it provided to me when I'm older.

Michael Moore, you're such a fucking blowhard!

Yeah the latter would be great: http://therealcuba.com/Page10.htm (I know - all just capitalist propaganda)

Cuba is a great place where every citizen is taken care of.

And how well they're taken care of indeed!

I don't think you should give in so easily. The quality of healthcare you receive in the US is directly proportional to how wealthy you are. If you have major coin, you will receive first rate healthcare. If you are at the bottom of the economic spectrum you won't.

This would be a suprise to illegal immigrants in America.

I would wager that the average Cuban citizen receives better health care than the average Americans does, if only because there are more doctors per capita. Certainly the average Cuban receives better healthcare than poor Americans do.

You are either horribly gullible, or deranged. We know what sort of "health care" that ordinary Cubans receive:

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
http://www.babalublog.com/archives/001470.html

You mean the wonderful health care in Cuba as demonstrated here?

Wow, regulation is wonderful...

My, what better health care indeed!

Take a look here and tell me Castro isn't a psychopath.

Well, computers in Cuba are not completely unheard of.

Seriously, though, they do exist. They are not common, though, and generally only informaticos have the chance to get internet access--usually surreptitiously.

It seems like NetBSD would have been a better choice to install on the hardware available in Cuba. Hopefully they will comply with the GPL and release the changes necessary to make these ports.

(Laugh. It's funny.)

If you want to know more about what life is really like in Cuba, check out this web page and read about human rights violations:

http://therealcuba.com/ from their homes are often arrested and have had their books confiscated and destroyed.

The stories go on and on. I could tell you about my relatives who were arrested for buying or selling things like meat or car tires. Or my own father who jumped from a moving train to escape his military captors because they were going to make him face a firing squad for handing out anti-Castro propaganda. It amazes me how little of this is known or covered in the news.

[Cuba] has a better health care system than the USA

Riiight. "[T]hose who say that Cubans are receiving great healthcare thanks to Castro, don't know what they are talking about." Go have a look. I dare you.

It seems like NetBSD would have been a better choice to install on the hardware available in Cuba. Hopefully they will comply with the GPL and release the changes necessary to make these ports.

(Laugh. It's funny.)

but despite crushing US sanctions it still manages to give basic health care...

Really?!? How do you know you can trust the statistics that the Cuban government publishes? See for yourself the great healthcare you can get as a Cuban citizen.

but despite crushing US sanctions it still manages to give basic health care...

Really?!? How do you know you can trust the statistics that the Cuban government publishes? See for yourself the great healthcare you can get as a Cuban citizen.

If you want to know more about what life is really like in Cuba, check out this web page and read about human rights violations:

http://therealcuba.com/

This is also a particularly good time to keep an eye on news coming out of Cuba because tomorrow a large group of dissidents in the island are preparing to meet despite goverment opposition in what they are calling the Assembly to Promote Civil Society.

Others here have mentioned how people are not allowed Internet access. But it doesn't stop there. Books are censored too. People who try to operate private libraries from their homes are often arrested and have had their books confiscated and destroyed.

The stories go on and on. I could tell you about my relatives who were arrested for buying or selling things like meat or car tires. Or my own father who jumped from a moving train to escape his military captors because they were going to make him face a firing squad for handing out anti-Castro propaganda. It amazes me how little of this is known or covered in the news.