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Le Pen Concedes Defeat To Macron In France's Post-Hack Election (reuters.com)

"France has voted for continuity," candidate Marine Le Pen said in the wake of her defeat in France's presidential election, conceding that Emmanuel Macron had a decisive lead. Reuters has ongoing coverage of Le Pen's concession phone call and reactions from world leaders. "France Rejects Far Right," read a headline at CNN, touting their own live updates and early results showing Macron with a 65.9% to 34.1% lead, "on course for a decisive win." Macron is schedule to speak at the Louvre museum (where the grounds were "briefly evacuated" this morning after discovery of a suspicious bag.) Quartz is calling 39-year-old Macron "the second Generation X president of a major world power" (after Canada's Justin Trudeau).

The election was closely watched after a 9-gigabyte trove of emails from Macron's campaign were leaked online. CNBC reports that "One of the most talked about emails makes reference to binge-watching Dr. Who and masturbating to the sound of running water. It sounds generally incoherent. It could be false, or maybe the person wrote it after a few too many." The New Yorker traces the leak to a right-leaning Canadian site, whose editor says he found the documents on 4chan. But Reuters is crediting WikiLeaks with providing "the largest boost of attention" to the leaked documents, according to an analysis pubished by the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council, a D.C.-based think tank on international affairs. WikiLeaks tweeted about the leak 15 times, bragging to Reuters that "we were hours ahead of all other major outlets." On Friday WikiLeaks also disputed the Macron campaign's claim that the leak mixed real documents with fake ones. "We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us."

Saturday WikiLeaks noted that several of the Office files "have Cyrillic meta data. Unclear if by design, incompetence, or Slavic employee." And Saturday afternoon they added "name of employee for Russian govt security contractor Evrika appears 9 times in metadata for 'xls_cendric.rar' leak archive."

Meanwhile, on the International Space Station, French astronaut Thomas Pesquet voted from space. Feel free to discuss the election's results in the comments.

671 comments

  1. Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For rejecting fascism.

    1. Re:Good on France by ArchieBunker · · Score: 0, Troll

      Bad on France for not kicking out the illegals and everyone else named Mohammed. Enjoy your weekly car fires and terrorist attacks.

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    2. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Enjoy your daily Donaldism and mind your business.

    3. Re:Good on France by DaHat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Enjoy your weekly car fires and terrorist attacks.

      He did kind of signal that that was the future they can look forward to.

      This threat, this imponderable problem, is part of our daily lives for the years to come.

    4. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess you didn't visit Europe much?

    5. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy your weekly car fires and terrorist attacks.

      You may not agree with their decision but 65% of voters in the final round of this French election just voted for more of the same.

    6. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With what they had on the table as an alternative, it shouldn't really be surprising.

    7. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      They rejected nationalism, not fascism. Not that you understand the difference. But they did vote to keep themselves part of the EU, for open borders, and the eventual dissolution of French culture at the hands of migrants who don't care about the history of Western Europe.

      Perhaps one day something will change. But for now Europe is on the road to cultural destruction. Demographics and political correctness have determined that.

      The future belongs to those who care and whose descendants show up for it.

    8. Re:Good on France by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Isn't lighting cars on fire the national past time of France?

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    9. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah people tended to share and back the party that wasn't run by indecent dickish nazi fascists. Unbelievable!

    10. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As much as drive-by shootings are the national past time in the US.

      Wait, sorry. I said something really stupid.

    11. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only in Chicago and other cities with the strongest of gun laws.

    12. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh the humanity!

    13. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because (Utøya) Christians (Fawkes) never (KKK) indulge (Sobibór) in (Charleston) religious (Army of God) inspired (Ilaga) violence (Bucharest).

    14. Re:Good on France by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

      Christians are next on my list, after we kick out the Muslims.

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    15. Re:Good on France by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Europe has even stronger gun laws and almost no murders compared to the US.

    16. Re:Good on France by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As much as mass shootings are the national past time in the US.

      FTFY - Drive-by shootings are so 1980's.

    17. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 0

      With what they had on the table as an alternative, it shouldn't really be surprising.

      Now explain Trump's victory.

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    18. Re:Good on France by admin7087 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm pretty sure AC understands the difference. Front National is a fascist party, not 'democratic far-right' or if that category was even possible, or any other of these convenient euphemisms.

      Perhaps one day something will change. But for now Europe is on the road to cultural destruction.

      That's patently absurd and just by parroting and repeating these kinds of slogans they don't become any more convincing. Luckily the number of people like you is constantly declining, just look at how people vote across Europe and you'll see a constant trend towards the center left in generations The future belongs to those who care and whose descendants show up for it.

      Future generations grow up with the Internet, they know that the world is just one large community, and they travel and live all across Europe. They know way better than you. Populist and far-right voters are older, in their forties and above, and generally misinformed. They will fade away. The world was never better than now, Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future.

    19. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could always let a 9 year old fire an Uzi. Who could that hurt?

      Or you could be one of those wonderful mothers who get shot by their toddler.

    20. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because Americans are inherently more violent than Europeans. Or, it's because of the gun laws. Who knows? ;-)

    21. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure AC understands the difference. Front National is a fascist party, not 'democratic far-right' or if that category was even possible, or any other of these convenient euphemisms.

      Define "fascist". If you don't think that definition will apply to the EU once it gets an army, read some history. Hell, just look at the militarised police everywhere to protect us against the terrorism that our governments imported.

      Populist and far-right voters are older, in their forties and above, and generally misinformed. They will fade away.

      FN are the most popular party in France amongst voters aged 18-34.

      Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future.

      Is your entire comment satire?

    22. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of funny. People used to mock religion left and right, especially liberals. These days it's suddenly xenophobic if you don't tolerate crap that makes the old religions look like progressive bastions of tolerance.

    23. Re:Good on France by DarkVader · · Score: 0

      This.

      I only wish America had done the same.

    24. Re:Good on France by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Europe has even stronger gun laws and almost no murders compared to the US.

      Europe actually has MORE murders than America.
      I think you meant to say Western Europe, or the European Union.

      Even in the EU, the murder rate is about 40% of America's, which is not "almost no murders".

    25. Re:Good on France by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

      Some liberals find it fashionable to hate anything that is mainstream. They're the brainless hipsters of the left, and sadly they try to do most of the talking for the rest of us.

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    26. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And even better on them for rejecting freedom of the press. The press has destroyed the US, and France's ban on reporting on the email hack helped Macron because it kept people uninformed.

    27. Re:Good on France by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      People who think it's an example of medieval religious horror to show a pregnant woman a sonogram of her fetus need to be more activist at resisting female genital mutilation.

    28. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christians are next on my list, after we kick out the Muslims.

      Yes. Why don't we kill them all for the great peace.. Chuck in the Buddhists while we're at it. They haven't been being that peaceful recently either.

      (what do you mean? No really? I need a sarcasm tag? They won't guess? Oh... you are right. God<!-- oh the irony-->, what is the world coming to?).

      </sarcasm>

    29. Re:Good on France by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Europe also has better access to healthcare (including mental healthcare), better social welfare, less class inequality, less gang activity, and generally ranks better on all the other things that lead to violent crime. I'm not sure how you can compare the two situations and blame the guns. Even between areas in the US, gun crime tends to happen more toward urban areas with lots of social problems, and not so much in the backwoods rural areas were everyone and their grandmother is carrying a gun.

    30. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 2

      Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future.

      Is your entire comment satire?

      I concur with his statement, as long as we're talking about Western Europe.

      I currently live in Europe and been considering moving to the US for work reasons. Just decided to extend my stay here for at least another year.

    31. Re:Good on France by cheesybagel · · Score: 0

      "Good" is relative. I think Cthulhu would be a better candidate.One is a fascist and the other guy used to work for the Rothschilds.

      Since the Rothschilds have been getting out of the woodwork, again, better get ready for an intensification of WWIII..

    32. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hillary would have been worse. She was totally unqualified, unless being the head of a crime family meets that criteria.

      BEING Sec of State and BEING a Senator is meaningless without accomplishments. She had none.

      Voters wanted someone that would shake up the status quo.

    33. Re:Good on France by Asteconn · · Score: 1

      The IRA, UDA and other splinter groups from the Northern Irish troubles are excellent examples of Christian extremists.

    34. Re:Good on France by Ryanrule · · Score: 0, Troll

      Problem with chicago is indiana is right next door, where you get a free handgun with a $20 fillup.

    35. Re:Good on France by Sassinak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And how is tucking tail, closing boarders, and turning allies into enemies going to make it any better.. all it means is you now fear outsiders AND your own citizens..

      Terrorism thrives best with disinformation, mistrust, and fear and all Le Pen was pushing for was basically playing into those fears. You may be SURVIVE that way.. but survival and thriving/growing are completely different things.

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    36. Re:Good on France by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Sure thing Uncle Stalin.

    37. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now explain Trump's victory.

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      Macron doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb, but if the Democrats had put up anybody like him, they would likely have won in the US as well.

    38. Re:Good on France by dunkelfalke · · Score: 0
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    39. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Between Christians, Muslims, and atheists, I'll take living among Christians any day, even as an atheist myself.

    40. Re:Good on France by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      satire?

    41. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      What are you talking about? America rejected fascism: we didn't vote for Hillary or the Democrats.

    42. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you voted a reality show star who never held public office instead?

      Americans are funny.

    43. Re:Good on France by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative
      Fun fact: This is utterly wrong. Or a lie. Or alternative facts.

      The 26th most popular boy's name in Germany 2016 was Alexander. Mohammed doesn't even make the top 50.

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    44. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      I would, but it would be mildly insulting to the US population. What the fuck you guys were thinking is beyond me.

    45. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future."

      Let's see... Islamic trucks, blown up ATMs, finding your car on bricks in the morning. It sure gets better every day.

    46. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With what they had on the table as an alternative, it shouldn't really be surprising.

      Now explain Trump's victory.

      I think, first you have to explain to me how, in a nation of 200 million people, chance just happens to have arranged for the most qualified person to oppose Trump happens to be married to a former president. If you can explain that then please explain, why, outside a medieval dynasty, Mr Bush's son, Mr Bush actually becomes president. Finally, for an encore, explain how spending money is actually "speech" and so impossible for the government to regulate. Once we've finished those, then I will be able to restore my surprise that the US system fails to be fully democratic and we can start to look for explanations for Trump's victory somewhere beyond the simple "because the American systems fucked".

    47. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 5, Funny

      " Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice"
      That's exactly who got elected. How's he doing so far?

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    48. Re:Good on France by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      So being a Senator no longer qualifies as experience?

      That could disqualify quite a few Presidents past.

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    49. Re:Good on France by toonces33 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Instead we have a government that passed a bill to allow people with mental illness to purchase firearms.

    50. Re:Good on France by toonces33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nearly every word you use to describe Hillary can be easily applied to Trump.

    51. Re:Good on France by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Insightful

      : Translation: Those rotten Frenchmen prevented the righteous Kremlinistas from undermining their election.

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    52. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are retarded.

    53. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      A place where anyone can lead the nation. Sounds more like a good thing than a bad thing even if the "anyone" can be bad. In any case during the campaign Trump (and all his faults) were compared to Clinton (and all her faults) and in a majority of states voters thought the later was worse. What is the the problem ?

      I guess funny in that the primaries selected two terrible candidates but at the same time one of the primaries did select an outsider that was hated by that party elite. So, there's that.

    54. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Hindsight 20/20 aside, we'll find out when his term is over.

    55. Re:Good on France by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

      Hindsight 2020 is what CNN will call their coverage of the next Presidential election.

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    56. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      explain how spending money is actually "speech" and so impossible for the government to regulate.

      If you spend money to air a commercial should you be able to say anything political you want? (let's ignore the FCC and the stupid obscenity rules for now for simplicity) Can you spend your own money to support a candidate or call out another candidate/bill/politician/agency whatever you want? That is functionally the point. Because money allows speech to be aired or allows speech to be said then it must be that the government not limit what political speech is aired even if it costs money. It would be no different than printing out a political paper (very cheap) than buying air space for a commercial (very expensive).

      Obviously it causes issues with collaborating with a political campaign because there are other laws that deal with those kind of things. But you as an individual decide to put out a commercial that says "Trump is an orange bozo. Vote against anything he does.". Should the government limit that? If you are not collaborating with any other political campaign and acting purely on your own and spending your own money on a political position you feel strongly about can the government restrict you?

      If they can't, and you decide to set up a type of company to take advantage of tax law then you have effectively set up the situation we are in with super PACs. That is effectively the argument and the citizens united decision basically said that the government can't stop you individually from spending your money to air political positions.

    57. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, no. Not the majority.

    58. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Populist and far-right voters are older, in their forties and above, and generally misinformed.

      Actually, le Menchion and le Pen were the leading candidates among young voters in the first round. Those who have never known prosperity are not buying the bullshit anymore.

    59. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're making a mistake when you're describing those organisations as "religious extremists". Religion really isn't at the core of conflict, but rather a symptom of it which to some extent gets exploited. Fundamentally, the issues seem to be more about class and other socio-economic issues as well as for historical reasons, than outright religious ones.

    60. Re:Good on France by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      Time will tell if that is actually the case or not.

    61. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, the cops prefer leaving the car, before shooting people of color in the back

    62. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a partially literate idiot.
      Homicide rate vs total homicides.

      Europe has more homicides. They also have vastly more crime than the US and 10 times as many deaths due to alcohol, unless you count miscarriages due to fetal alcohol syndrome, then you can add an extra zero...but nobody cares about that because "scary guns" and "stupid Americans".

      Faux-intellectualism and elitism to pursue a political position is the hallmark of Europe.

    63. Re:Good on France by quonset · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      As opposed to Trump who is corrupt (hiring illegal workers and not paying them as well as colluding with a foreign government during the election), has repeatedly shown his incompetence (I thought it would be easier), has lied since day one (Hillary's not in jail, Obamneycare wasn't repealed on day one, Mexico isn't paying for the wall, the swamp is filled almost to capacity and he's gone golfing more times in three months than Obama went in an entire year), has gotten several service members killed already because of his penchant to use the military without thought, and a hack of the highest order as shown by the chaos of his administration where one hand literally does not know what the other is doing.

      So yeah, big difference between the two.

    64. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in Chicago and other cities with the strongest of gun laws.

      That's weird, Chicago is 8th in homicides per capita. Behind St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Cleveland, Newark, and Memphis. And then followed closely by Kansas City, Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Cincinati. It almost sounds like this is some kind of uninformed, agenda-driven talking point instead of a fact.

    65. Re:Good on France by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      Enjoy your weekly car fires and terrorist attacks.

      Oh come on, you're exaggerating. World cups only every 4 years.

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    66. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet Indiana doesn't have the same rates of shootings... Odd that, eh?

    67. Re:Good on France by hey! · · Score: 1

      The way shooting yourself with your own gun is an American pasttime.

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    68. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really believe you can compare absolute numbers, then you've just proven yourself to be an idiot. Total population of Europe (2015): 743.1 million. Total population of USA (2015): 321.4 million.

    69. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just look at how people vote across Europe and you'll see a constant trend towards the center left in generations

      I see people voting more and more for nationalist and far-right parties, something I would've never guessed 10-15yrs back. Oh, and that includes me, by the way.

      The world was never better than now, Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future.

      The mushrooms must be good this year. Despite all your misguided shang-ri-la thoughts of Europe, I claim this time will be more likely seen as the time of idiocy and denial of truth far more than any "best place on earth to live right now". I almost envy your level of gullibility... almost.

    70. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you spend money to air a commercial should you be able to say anything political you want?

      No, no, you should not. Then again, I feel the same about commercials in general, even moreso with phone calls, spam, and web ads.

      And to be honest, I don't like the behavior of the Roku screensaver either.

      But when it comes to politics, a lot of the time, their advertisements are offensive in ways that make me less inclined to vote for them, which makes me wonder what is really going on. Is there some great problem with the way other Americans think or is there somebody out there trying reverse psychology?

      So if we were to get some regulation, I would be thankful.

    71. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's exactly who got elected. How's he doing so far?

      Trump voters seem to still consider him the better choice. Personally, I have nothing to complain about.

    72. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > and the eventual dissolution of French culture at the hands of migrants who don't care about the history of Western Europe.

      True, I can see so many of them in front of my door every mornin telling me "we don't care about your culture" ... Bullshit

      Maybe making a fake wall to pretend to keep them away while employing them illegally as construction worker like in Texas is a better solution ?

    73. Re:Good on France by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It always bothers me how easy it is to oversimplify something like this.

      Nearly everyone would like to see some things change, and it's a certainty some of the people who voted for Macron would like to see a lot of things changed.

      LePen characterizing this as a vote for "continuity" is a self-serving lie. "Continuity" and "Change" were not on the ballot. The only thing you can conclude is that French voters rejected the particular changes LePen represents.

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    74. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So where do you prefer to live? Russia? USA? North Korea?

    75. Re: Good on France by admin7087 · · Score: 1

      Name me the country or region where you prefer to live so we can compare and have good laugh.

    76. Re:Good on France by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are a partially literate idiot.
      Homicide rate vs total homicides.

      Europe has more homicides [than the USA].

      Nope. Whether you count homicide rate or total homicides, USA wins.

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    77. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      Too bad Bozo wasn't on the ballot; the USA might've had a shot at sane and competent leadership.

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    78. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Number of muslims in France: 5-7% of the total population. Why are modern Nazis such whiny cowardly pussies?

    79. Re:Good on France by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      The issue is not whether you can regulate what someone says with their own money, it's how much money they can spend doing it during an election. The Citizens United decision unshackled the wealthy from any financial restrictions on influencing elections with their capital.

      If you're a multimillionaire, and I'm an average American with modest capital, then unrestricted spending on political speech makes your megaphone is many thousands of times louder than mine. Do you think that's good for democracy?

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    80. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Switzerland, Texas, North Carolina, Australia...

    81. Re:Good on France by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Violent conflict almost is almost always attributable to economic reasons. More so the bigger it is. That doesn't mean religion isn't frequently used as a means to rally people to your cause. The IRA riling up catholic Irish against protestant English for example.

      But if you want an example of some purely christian terrorists, the nutjobs who shoot up abortion clinics are a pretty good one.

    82. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty well, so far. You can taste the optimism in this country now. Everybody* is ready to win.

      *the "enlightened" liberals seem very depressed for some reason, and will probably take years to wake up from the "Trump is Literally Hitler" illusion... but my prediction is that, in four years, CA will vote Trump.

    83. Re:Good on France by Solandri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Europe also tends to be more ethnically homogeneous (per country). The U.S., for all its flaws, is a hodgepodge of people from all over the world. I've always suspected part of the high violence rate in the U.S. is due to latent racism and cultural biases present everywhere, but coming into conflict with each other much more in the U.S. than in other countries.

      The counterargument would be Canada, which is more diverse than the U.S., yet has less violence. But if you stare at that map and a homicide rate map long enough, I think you'll convince yourself that Canada is an outlier, and that in general higher ethnic diversity in a country is correlated with higher violence rates.

      We still have a long ways to go as a species.

    84. Re:Good on France by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Troll

      Nope. Whether you count homicide rate or total homicides, USA wins.

      Not when you consider all of Europe. Russia has a murder rate about twice that of America. Ukraine also a higher murder rate. When you look at the entire continent, Europe "wins".

    85. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      European gun control, like all gun control, is like a rock that repels tigers. Give 'em about a decade to realize it.

    86. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Cleveland, Newark, and Memphis are all partially or fully shitholes. Do you think it makes Chicago look any better to compare it to those cities?

    87. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      denial
      anger -- you are still here
      bargaining -- your "we can impeach him for Russia" friends are here
      depression -- most of your liberal friends are already here
      acceptance

    88. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty well, actually. The only thing Trump does fundamentally wrong is speak. When he shuts his mouth and lets the people around him make decisions for him, he acts like a good little establishment prick which is . . . at least stable.

      Trump is more like Macron than Le Pen in action.

      Thanks to Trump, we now have a less-expensive form of universal healthcare that, while needlessly complicated, is still more than what the poor had in 2007 and earlier. A pity we can't afford it, but then we can't afford anything now can we? Debt is a funny thing.

      Thanks to Trump, we're actually attacking Isis, incrementally, and making steady gains. More than can be said for Obama.

      Trump warmed up to NATO and mostly rejected Putin, without starting "World War III" over Ukraine or Syria.

      Trump may actually bring down our corporate tax rate enough that we won't see as many overseas asset parking scams in the future.

      Instead of building a wall, Trump has simply set about making ICE do their damn jobs by enforcing laws that have been on the books for decades. Sure he still wants the wall, and yet he keeps approving budgetary measures that do not fund one. Which means he's either patient or open to the idea of reducing the load of foreign nationals living in the United States illegally by more subtle means.

      Trump has eliminated scads of overreaching executive orders, and will (overall) set about deregulation of the economy.

      The only two really bad things attributable to Trump thus far is a). his assault on "net neutrality" and b). his promotion of the coal industry when it's obvious that the free market wants nothing to do with coal.

    89. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Singular events that are utterly irrelevant to a nation as a whole if all too many people tried to profit from it or are easily scared.
      Did you know that every year 130 000 (or 73 000 if you prefer wikipedia over my local newspaper) people die from measles?
      Something that would be VASTLY easier to be done with once and forever (smallpox is the prove it can be done, and at reasonable effort) than terrorism and would save a lot, lot, LOT, LOT more lives.
      This bwaah! "islamists", "terrorists" scare and resources spent on it is an insult to all those many, many people who die from the actual threats we have in our world and simply ignore. Everyone who continues to feed it should be most deeply ashamed.

    90. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you are awful as a Senator, it DISqualifies you based on poor past performance! Doubly so for her horrendous time as Secretary of State.

      Hillary was an out-of-state political hack who sleazed her way into office because the local Dems were too intimidated by the Clinton machine to fight back! She didn't even belong in New York! What a bunch of suckers, letting her do that.

    91. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Clearly our leaders were thinking of their own self-interest on that one.

    92. Re:Good on France by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he's comparing them on the basis of weight?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    93. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Le Pen has nothing to do with fascism with was a socialist-inspired movement helped by the finance world, to oppose against communism in the twenties and thirties. There is no USSR anymore, and Front National is certainly not helped with the industrial, finance and business world (Very far from that).

    94. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Too bad Bozo wasn't on the ballot; the USA might've had a shot at sane and competent leadership.

      Well, not every nation can be blessed with such "sane and competent", not to mention pretty, leadership as you:

      “It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving President.

      “Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.

      “While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el Comandante”.

      I'll give Trudeau this much: he is probably too stupid and ignorant to understand what his speech writer wrote for him.

      People who sit in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    95. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you support censorship of the press? Le Pen was a terrible candidate, but the press should be allowed to do their job.

      Also, what in the hell does this have to do with Russia? This was an election in France. At least read the title.

    96. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were so upset by people calling Trump a bad person that you had a snit and didn't vote at all?

      Are you sure you're not a middle schooler?

    97. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kremlin? Uhh, NPR reported this morning that it was white nationalists in the US that did this.

    98. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bozo the district Attorney was elected

    99. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europe having less guns is indeed not the only reason they have less violent crime deaths ... but it is, like the things you list - better social welfare, less class inequality, less gang activity - another such thing that they're managing to do better on, and thus one of the factors leading to the lower violent crime death rates (and death rates in general, the US has plenty of accidental gun deaths which are just mind-boggling to conceive of in other countries - why you would ever choose to allow people so freely to play with such dangerous toys).

    100. Re:Good on France by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      the national past time in the US. [...] I said something really stupid.

      Yup. It's pastime. One word.

      Does past time even remotely hint at what you meant? If it means anything at all, it means history.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    101. Re:Good on France by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      That leaves the blacks as the cause.

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    102. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      I know. Check the GP.

    103. Re:Good on France by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Wild guess, but I reckon that at least half of the time the White House was occupied by somebody who hadn't been President before.

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    104. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have misunderstood who's been around the longest, Europe or the US.

      Another excellent student brought to us by the American edumbification system?

    105. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, according to the geography text book we used in high school, wrong in both counts. Europe is indeed a continent. And while the old USSR did span both Europe and Asia, "Russia", the sovietist of the soviet bloc countries, is firmly within Europe.

    106. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She was the most honest candidate in the election, as well as the most competent.

      What you didn't like was when she told truths you didn't want to hear.

    107. Re:Good on France by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      And the Serbs.

      Has anyone else noticed that they all have square heads? What's that all about?

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    108. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? How's the swamp drain thing coming along? The promised health bill that was going to be so much much better than ACA ("no preexisting conditions!")? It's been three months and, so far, Trump has not only been unable to live up to a single campaign promise but, on a good bunch of them, ended up doing the exact opposite.

      Remember the "100 days contract with the American people" (you) he announced back when he rallied?

      The only reason Trump voters show no remorse is that people hate to recognize their fuckups.

    109. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should try actually paying attention rather than assuming everything you think. It makes you look ignorant.

    110. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marine Le Pen is not a Fascist you retard. She is right-wing, she is nationalist, but she is NOT a Fascist. Today's leftist dumbasses like you wouldn't recognize Fascism if it drove a panzer up your asses.

      And good job electing a banker. Marx would be proud to know those who read his works understood the plight of international capital.

    111. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Europe also tends to be more ethnically homogeneous (per country). The U.S., for all its flaws, is a hodgepodge of people from all over the world. I've always suspected part of the high violence rate in the U.S. is due to latent racism and cultural biases present everywhere, but coming into conflict with each other much more in the U.S. than in other countries.

      The problem with that argument is simple: You haven't shown that inter-cultural exchanges are compromising a number of homicides.

      So basically, not only are you still slipping on causation, you haven't established correlation.

      The counterargument would be Canada, which is more diverse than the U.S., yet has less violence. But if you stare at that map and a homicide rate map long enough, I think you'll convince yourself that Canada is an outlier, and that in general higher ethnic diversity in a country is correlated with higher violence rates.

      Stare too long into the abyss, and you'll find it staring back, doesn't make it true or valid.

      The least you could do is check your own assumptions, but you didn't.

      We still have a long ways to go as a species.

      One would hope so, we haven't even gotten close to becoming a worm. Which was we all know, is the pinnacle of evolution.

    112. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the gun violence in rural areas happens, but it's accepted/not usually newsworthy. It's only really shocking if it is dramatic (murder-suicide, guy takes out kids/girlfriend/etc, then himself) or non-white shooting white. Otherwise it's just "Billy Bob shot Jimmy Joe last night accidentally outside the Kum-n-Go"...

      Two fools having a fight outside a bar? "drunks will be drunks".
      Gangs fighting outside a bar in Lead SD? As long as they're taking themselves out...

    113. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gary, IN the murder capital of the US?

    114. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The IRA riling up catholic Irish against protestant English for example."
      The IRA was formed in 1919, three years after the Easter Uprising and in the middle of the Irish War of Independence. The ones who originally were riling up Catholic Ireland against Protestant English, like Wolfe Tone, were themselves largely Protestant. Catholics could be useful to their Cause of "Home Rule", and in return, Catholics were promised, repeatedly, _some_ Civil Rights when they had none before. Not necessarily Voting Rights. Voting in Ireland, England, and the US back then was reserved only for Men Of Property.

      Yet I have actually more than made your point, and I agree with you. But take it a bit further: Just who benefits from having Abortion Clinics shot up? Qui Bono when it comes to Terrorism is a question that should always be asked.

    115. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Um, no. Not the majority."
      Tru dat. That's the funny thing about the Electoral College. Five times now they have chosen as President a candidate who lost the Popular Vote. Each time, it was a Republican. It was almost as if it was set up that way. (For further reading, check out what Madison had to say about the structure of the Senate and the Electoral College. What a Prick.)

    116. Re: Good on France by fortfive · · Score: 1

      Username checks out.

    117. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, high school text books are often wrong. Pluto isn't a planet any more either.

    118. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead we have a government that passed a bill to allow people with mental illness to purchase firearms.

      I believe CNN covered how other countries handle firearms awhile back. Having none worked well. Having rigid controls also worked well in at least one case. Was it Sweden? I forget. I think much of it there was that people kept their guns after mandatory service or something similar.

      What doesn't work well is complete chaos. Over and over right wingers say things like, well Chicago has high gun crime rates, but restrictive laws. I mean really, are people really this stupid, or do they just not care? Restricting the purchase of a gun in a city is minimally effective at best. People have cars, feet, access to public transportation, etc, etc.

      What would work is what Australia did. Australia's response to mass killings

      Now, people will come up with nonsense arguments on why it would not work, but they are all bs. Australia and all other similar countries provide more than enough evidence that if you implement a similar solution, you would, eventually, get similar results. (The shear number of guns in America would slow that down.)

      Of course implementing a similar solution is harder here because of the amendment which mentions that we might need weapons in case we need to form a militia. I'd tend to argue that we do have cops now. Either way, we don't necessarily have to ban them to at least make major headway. We just need to actually implement some controls to keep those who should not have them from having them.

      It is similar with health care. Trump is like "Health care is hard, okay?" It isn't. Lots of countries have figured it out. Pick a solution, tune it to your desired result. The democrats said, "We aren't going to discriminate and everyone needs to pay in. You're alive, so you have a responsibility to, if you get sick, make sure everyone else isn't stuck with the bill." The republicans are more like, "We'll let's just let the free market fix it, which brings us back to pre Obamacare which was far worse. Sick people can't get insurance and either die early, run up costs in emergency rooms that are never paid, or, more than likely both. Lots more bankruptcy and all the rest."

      My solution:
      1. Leave Obamacare, but with these changes. Minimum benefits remain.
      2. buy across state lines is okay, since (2). Note this does not mean you get the same price. An insurance company may charge you more because your state is more expensive.
      3. No, you cannot buy insurance on the way to the hospital. What insurance will cover may be limited for say six months after buying it.
      4. Double the fine. Seriously, the point of the fine was for people to pay in to spread the actual cost.
      5. Add a public option.

    119. Re:Good on France by meglon · · Score: 0

      Hillary wasn't any of those.... it's just the GOP knew after Obama was elected the first time that Hillary was going to be running against them again in the future, and the GOP did what it's done for the last 35+ years... lie like little bitches about everything. 8 years of propaganda and lying to mentally challenged conservatives who seem to really love living in their own fantasy land over reality.

      So tell me, why isn't Hillary in jail right now (instead, dickless Flynn is the one being investigated for criminal acts)? Because syhe didn't break the law, no matter how many times lying worthless conservative bitches said so.

      Why is it that the day after Trump gets elected, we no longer hear about Benghazi? It was ALL nothing more than propaganda the GOP put out for their base because they knew their base is a bunch of fucking clueless gullible dipshits.

      Your post is only "insightful" as it shows how totally fucking clueless conservatives are to believe propaganda from their worthless as shit politicians.

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    120. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One problem in the US is that the racial (and economic) segregation is much more extreme than in the EU. We don't really have ethnic ghettos in Europe, let alone the no-go areas beloved of the extreme right.

    121. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say this like it's a bad thing. Cultures change over time. Italy isn't the same Italy as it was in the roman empire. And seeing how trump won the US, and how he has conducted himself afterwards, I for one applaud France for not going down a similar path.

    122. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we elected Bozo the Clown. Satisfied?

    123. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fascism /fæzm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]

      Sounds like you need some Civics 101 there bub.

    124. Re:Good on France by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Maybe the car arsonists were on strike

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    125. Re:Good on France by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Even if what you say is true, it still doesn't make sense because Trump is still worse in every aspect you listed, so clearly those factors weren't the deciding ones.

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    126. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why doesn't Indiana have an even HIGHER murder rate than Chicago?
      Since there are all these free handguns floating around, you say.

    127. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was that cop who shot dead a 15 year old kid who was a passenger in a car just a few days ago.

    128. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ACLU thinks it is good for democracy.
      The majority of people in the United States think it is good for democracy.
      The past several elections have shown that there is no significant change in voting behaviors due to the "flood of dark money" you and other anti-free speech activists feared.

      According to your argument, good looking people should be banned from public speaking, because they are more effective and thus 'have a bigger megaphone'. Only people with bags over their heads will be allowed to speak.
      Good public speakers should be banned for the same reason - stuttering or hemming and hawing lower persuasion outcomes. Only autistic redditors will be allowed to write speeches or make presentations (with bags over their heads).

      In other words, you want handicapping, even though that wasn't supposed to be a 'how to' story...

    129. Re: Good on France by bestweasel · · Score: 2

      What's wrong with that? When you compare Cuba with much of central and south America over the same period - all those US supported military juntas disappearing people by the thousand, plundering their country to enrich themselves - Cuba is a beacon of light, even encumbered as it was by its enforced dependence on the USSR.

    130. Re:Good on France by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      That's what happens when you are told (and believe) your only options are a giant douche or a turd sandwich.

      What is needed is to break the mass delusion, all at once. Third parties should be assembling Congressional bids now. Get a couple Representatives willing to call out the two majors on their bullshit. Get noticed. Then maybe those parties will actually be considered players in 2020, if the media doesn't continue to conspire to ignore them.

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    131. Re:Good on France by bongey · · Score: 0, Troll

      Bahahhahaha just watch the UK police show "Caught on Camera", much worse than the US. Watch how many times a person in the UK gets violently robbed,beaten, or murdered and all victims can hope for that the police get there before they get away. Most of the time the offenders just get away and the police are like "maybe will get better footage next time to identify the robbers". In the US , I can stop a thief , robber, murderer without the need of waiting for the police to come save me.

    132. Re:Good on France by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      To be fair, nobody knew how corrupt or incompetent Trump's presidency would be before he took office. That came as a surprise (who knew?) - I see Trump voters as victims of false advertising.

    133. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignorance is bliss after all.

    134. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, you snowflakes are living in the same fantasy land Trump is!

    135. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly every word you use to describe Hillary can be easily applied to Trump.,/p>

      And most of them with greater accuracy.

    136. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact: This is utterly wrong. Or a lie. Or alternative facts

      It's neo-fascist trolling, but that was obvious, no?

    137. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone can't understand basic patterns. space or no space no excuses on not understanding

    138. Re:Good on France by jp_832 · · Score: 0

      Of course implementing a similar solution is harder here because of the

      ...fact that you and your children would be killed if you tried such a thing?

    139. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Hillary would have been worse.

      Nice crock of shit, anonymous shitposter.

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    140. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Now explain Trump's victory.

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack.

      Wait a moment. That description fits Donald Trump far better than it fits Hillary Clinton. Clinton is flawed, yes, but Donald Trump is evil.

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    141. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      And Donald Trump is a party hack for the neo-fascist Putin party.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    142. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      " Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice"

      That's exactly who got elected. How's he doing so far?

      Right, Ronald Mcdonald Trump

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    143. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Informative

      And a self-admitted sexual abuser.

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    144. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bizarre aspect to a European is that you regard that as natural. God's will perhaps? Unless you're trolling.

    145. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      They rejected nationalism, not fascism.

      They rejected whoever sounded even a little bit like Donald Trump because they saw what America did to itself.

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    146. Re:Good on France by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      40% with strict gun laws. And yet you complain that there are more murders in Chicago because of gun laws?

    147. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And embracing National Suicide.

      Allahu Akbar!

    148. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And did you see the shift in support these last couple of elections? Dems went for corporate backing and Reps went to working class. This has been the shift for the past 20 years or so. The only part that supports your definition is "usually placed in the far-right" (Notice the word usually). The actions the Dems have been doing has every characteristic of the definition, BIG government dictating every aspect of your life, suppression of the opposition (riots at Berkely, shutting down town halls, etc...). Control of industry due to excessive regulations.

      I think you have been partaking too much of the hemp lately to not recognize this or you are just too young to know better.

    149. Re: Good on France by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      Six hours in and the a/c you replied to is +4 Insightful, the first a/c reply to you is +3 Interesting but no points for you.

      I would mod you up but it looks like Slashdot mainly gives mod points to fascists.

    150. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racial segregation ended a long time ago. It doesn't exist in the USA anymore.

    151. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1, Retard SJW who doesn't know what facism is.

    152. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you trust the official stats? I don't. Not since seeing how they bully newspapers, journalists, and police to not talk about crimes (mostly those committed by certain newcomers).

    153. Re:Good on France by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Actually all genital mutilation of children. I also don't think people should be forced to see anything they aren't interested in seeing.

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    154. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fascism is a leftist form of governing. Not to the right.

    155. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Assuming that's a question, the answer is "No. Gary doesn't even crack the top 20."

      St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit are the top 3.

    156. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grab your blanky and go cry yourself to sleep in your little Lefty bed.

    157. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So which part of what he said is a lie? Nice way to downmod people for telling the truth.

    158. Re:Good on France by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 2

      Honestly, Trump has accomplished *nothing*. He really is the most status quo of any president in a century at this stage. Trump voters and haters are both deluded here.

    159. Re:Good on France by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice [than Hillary]

      That's exactly who got elected. How's he doing so far?

      Pretty much what you'd expect of Bozo: making enemies out of allies, friends out of enemies, bumbling around honking on Twitter, wearing frumpy golf pants, taking credit for imaginary victories, and blaming others for real setbacks.

    160. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Bitch, please.
      Hillary won her Senate seat in New York state by going out to meet the little people, showing up at country fairs on weekends and introducing herself and explaining what she hoped to accomplish.
      The GOP whine continually about how Dems & liberals pander to the elite and ignore the "Real Americans" but when a Dem does it & wins, it's evil

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    161. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "Thanks to Trump, we now have a less-expensive form of universal healthcare that"

      No, you don't. It's not yet passed the Senate and even if it becomes law, its greatest achievement will be to throw millions under the bus - and then back up over them a few times.
      The man's as ignorant a stack of bricks and is the poster child for hypocrisy. Go to trumptwitterarchive.com to see what he had to say about the electoral college, Syria, etc and what he's saying now

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    162. Re: Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      You should try actually paying attention rather than assuming everything you think. It makes you look ignorant.

      Please call the White House and tell that to the President. He, more than anyone, really needs to heed that advice.

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    163. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrats may well be for big buisness as you say (I wouldn't argue against that), but you would have to be pretty naive to think, meaningless populist pandering aside, that the republicans are not even more so.

      Actions speak louder than words and Trumps (attempted) actions certainly do not favour 'the people' despite all the pre election rhetoric, just lucky he is so immensely incompetent or you might finally come to realise in an uncomfortable way how little their interests coincide with your own.

    164. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "Honeybuns, the election is over"
      Does Ivanka know you're stealing her best line?
      Trumplethinskin mentions at every opportunity how amazing it was that he won such a rough-and-tough difficult election by his definition of a landslide.
      The arrogant asshole stood in front of the CIA wall of stars honoring their dead and rambled on about who voted for him & how much the media hates him.

      "All that got you was that independents like myself got thoroughly pissed off and stayed home"
      Don't you live in California? You were planning to vote for Clinton? Before you answer yes to that 2nd question, refer to the following quote:
      "You can stop the pretense and the lying"

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    165. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 2

      Hindsight 20/20 aside, we'll find out when his term is over.

      His transition team still has not filled or nominated replacements for a several hundred important positions, the Obama people held over are either quitting or being fired when they refuse to do what is being demanded of them and Jared is already way over his head.

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    166. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's trolling.

    167. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to brush up on geography and economics. Switzerland is in Europe. Australia is in a major recession and has been for a decade. Texas is losing the major federal contracts that fueled its growth, and is facing the same downward spiral as the rest of the USA. Same for North Carolina.

    168. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even between areas in the US, gun crime tends to happen more toward urban areas with lots of social problems, and not so much in the backwoods rural areas were everyone and their grandmother is carrying a gun.

      That's not really true. Hawaii's low rate (a fifth of Rhode Island and New Hampshire, the lowest rates on the mainland) is probably more to do with everyone and their grandmother not carrying a gun there, than the level of urbanization. New Jersey has around the same rate as New Mexico and Nevada, Kansas is only slightly lower, and New York is lower still.

      Or maybe you meant something else that you're embarrassed to say out loud when you said "urban areas", something that still isn't borne out completely in the statistics, though some of the outliers at the other end of the spectrum probably serve to reinforce such a belief.

    169. Re:Good on France by chihowa · · Score: 2

      If we're going to look backward in time, are we allowed to look at Europe's (not at all) peaceful past, including starting two of the largest wars in human history? Non-homicidal Europeans are a relatively new phenomenon and time will only tell how long it lasts.

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    170. Re:Good on France by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Wow, you *really* haven't been watching the news.

    171. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a disaster. But he's still better than Crooked Hillary.

    172. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty well, actually. The only thing Trump does fundamentally wrong is speak. When he shuts his mouth and lets the people around him make decisions for him, he acts like a good little establishment prick which is . . . at least stable.

      Stable? Maybe. Wise? Prudent? Reasonable? No.

      Thanks to Trump, we now have a less-expensive form of universal healthcare that, while needlessly complicated, is still more than what the poor had in 2007 and earlier. A pity we can't afford it, but then we can't afford anything now can we? Debt is a funny thing.

      Debt has nothing to do with it, and Trump's bastard idea of health insurance will increase costs, lower coverage and spite those he doesn't like.

      In terms of the Federal Debt, his wasteful plans and tax cuts will not help at all.

      Thanks to Trump, we're actually attacking Isis, incrementally, and making steady gains. More than can be said for Obama.

      Trump has made zero policy or strategy changes over Obama, with the exception of is boastful missile attack of no effective results on the Syrian dictator.

      Trump warmed up to NATO and mostly rejected Putin, without starting "World War III" over Ukraine or Syria.

      Trump has given us idiotic diatribes over NATO and Syria.

      Trump may actually bring down our corporate tax rate enough that we won't see as many overseas asset parking scams in the future.

      Trump may reduce the tax rates so much we end up exploding the debt even further.

      Instead of building a wall, Trump has simply set about making ICE do their damn jobs by enforcing laws that have been on the books for decades. Sure he still wants the wall, and yet he keeps approving budgetary measures that do not fund one. Which means he's either patient or open to the idea of reducing the load of foreign nationals living in the United States illegally by more subtle means.

      He's still belaboring us over the wall, and even he admitted that Obama deported millions of people, it is just that Obama realized that some deportations were more expensive and burdensome, while Trump's minions have decided that they would rather focus on easy hanging fruit instead of find criminals to deport.

      Trump has eliminated scads of overreaching executive orders, and will (overall) set about deregulation of the economy.

      Trump has tried to implement overreaching executive orders, whined about the course stopping him, and exposed us all to capricious malice from unregulated actors who think if we don't want lead in our water, we should buy it bottled.

      The only two really bad things attributable to Trump thus far is a). his assault on "net neutrality" and b). his promotion of the coal industry when it's obvious that the free market wants nothing to do with coal.

      His executive orders to block proccessed immigrants on the planes to arrive in America, his deportation of people with no real crime in their past, his appointment of corrupt officials like Devos, Sessions, Tillerson, his threats to defund insurance payments if he didn't get his way, his tantrums over judges, his mass firing of attorneys, his self promotion, his rants over his daughter's brands, his trips to Golf in Florida, his conducting government business at his resort, his general demeanor.

    173. Re:Good on France by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      yeah but in America you're much more likely to get injured when a police chase is happening. I know this from watching the guy with the luminous teeth presenting the world's (America's) wildest police videos. I'm pretty sure it's legit to base my assumptions of what America is like based off that show.

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    174. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most muslims are like most christains, they don't go to 'church' more than twice a year, don't obey most of their religious practices, have hardly even read their holy book and know less about what it actually says than most athiests.

      Living amongst either is just the same as the other, just less bacon and alcohol... so I agree with you completely!

    175. Re:Good on France by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Christians are next on my list, after we kick out the Muslims.

      Yes. Why don't we kill them all for the great peace.. Chuck in the Buddhists while we're at it. They haven't been being that peaceful recently either.

      Well I never suggested we kill anyone, and I hope you can understand why your hyperbolic statements are wrong. But many Buddhist organizations should be charged with child abuse and dismantled.

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    176. Re:Good on France by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Well I am against imprisoning and murdering dissents, so I think Stalin and I have some significant differences in philosophy.

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    177. Re:Good on France by Z80a · · Score: 1

      I doubt they listened to people like you to come up with this decision.
      Also Macron should actually handle the problems that half of the population are afraid of, or well, france does have a history of bringing guillotines to the discussion.

    178. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and you'd be wrong. Most violent crime in the USA is homogeneous - it's committed by black men against other black men.

    179. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When does it become an issue? When it's top 40, 30, 20, ...10? The US is undergoing extreme culture change also. Well-off, educated, white couples have less than 2 kids on average. Poor, uneducated, black and Hispanic couples have 3 or 4. Such momentum is unstoppable.

    180. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      That is hindsight 20/20. no one knew what would happen.

      Also, from what I understand it is as much as congress as it is the executive as to why he doesn't have a full cabinet.

    181. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That leaves the blacks as the cause.

      Flagged for douchery.

    182. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      What rights you have shouldn't be limited based on the money you have. You are saying that someone poor that prints a political flyer has more freedom in than a person able to buy commercial space. It is not right to limit an individuals rights based on the money they have.

      Also, keep in mind that the more moneyed campaign lost in 2016. Just because you have lots of money does not mean you will win. It helps you, no doubt, but it isn't a guaranteed purchase.

    183. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      So, the problem with Europe is that the middle east and Africa are right next door where you can get weapons very easily. Borders are only for the law abiding. A criminal does not care about the borders nor laws if it is against their interests.

    184. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your "source" does not say what you think it says. Total homicides in the continent of Europe are higher than the country of the United States.

    185. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original claim was "Europe actually has MORE murders than America."

      The counterclaim was an insult and a link to data comparing homicide rates.

      Belief is irrelevant. The counterclaim is irrelevant. And yes, you can compare absolute numbers. You just did. I just did. So clearly the possibility of comparison does exist.

      Surrender your faux intellectualism disguising a belief system, yes people really do notice when you inject belief into an argument about facts, and enter the modern age of reason. It began several centuries ago.

    186. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      That is hindsight 20/20. no one knew what would happen.

      "Nobody knew it would all be so complicated!" - Donald Trump.
      Everyone with a clue knew.

      Also, from what I understand it is as much as congress as it is the executive as to why he doesn't have a full cabinet.

      Yes, many have to be approved but they have to be nominated first, which hasn't been done for the very vast majority.
      And there are hundreds, possibly over a thousand positions that don't need Senate confirmation.

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    187. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      He's a disaster. But he's still better than Crooked Hillary.

      No, he's not.
      She would have made a smooth transition, not the 100 days of clusterfuckery that's shows no sign of letting up any time soon

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    188. Re:Good on France by serbanp · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Stop using words you don't understand. Or you're a frigging troll, it's not obvious.

    189. Re:Good on France by serbanp · · Score: 0

      Go F yourself. Chicago would fare much better if it wouldn't be so close to the braindead Indiana, where every asshole and his mother has easy access to guns. Gun control works but only if it's harmonized across the US.

    190. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Grab your blanky and go cry yourself to sleep in your little Lefty bed.

      Hello Vlad.

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    191. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gun control in Europe is a post WW1&2 invention.

    192. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 2

      "All that got you was that independents like myself got thoroughly pissed off and stayed home" Don't you live in California? You were planning to vote for Clinton? Before you answer yes to that 2nd question, refer to the following quote:

      No, I was never going to vote for Clinton: she proved that she was an evil b*tch when she ran against Obama (who I voted for), and proved her incompetence in the subsequent eight years. I would have considered voting for a moderate, competent Democrat, but since I didn't particularly like Trump, I just stayed home.

      In the aftermath of the election, two things happened. First, the sky didn't fall with Trump and the Republicans have pretty much accepted the status quo on social issues I care about. Second, instead of figuring out what they did wrong and moving back to the center, the Democratic party and its supporters have become even nuttier and nastier, meaning come next election, I may well vote Republican.

    193. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Even if what you say is true, it still doesn't make sense because Trump is still worse in every aspect you listed, so clearly those factors weren't the deciding ones.

      Well, I'm sure you believe that. Large numbers of Americans disagree (myself included).

    194. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 2

      Are you kidding? Castro was an evil, murderous dictator who condemned Cubans to a life of poverty and misery. And Castro allied with the USSR and other totalitarian and terrorist regimes by choice.

    195. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Correction: I would have considered voting for a moderate, competent Democrat, but [there was none, and] since I didn't particularly like Trump [either], I just stayed home.

    196. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      So tell me, why isn't Hillary in jail right now

      Trump really has more important things to worry about than Hillary; Hillary is humiliated and politically irrelevant at this point, and with the collapse of the Clinton Foundation, her advanced age, and her apparently debilitated state, she isn't going to make a comeback.

      Why is it that the day after Trump gets elected, we no longer hear about Benghazi?

      Benghazi was one of many instances where Hillary screwed up and lied, and voters took that into account when going to the polls. What more do you want to "hear" about it?

      Your post is only "insightful" as it shows how totally fucking clueless conservatives are to believe propaganda from their worthless as shit politicians.

      I came to despise Hillary not in 2016, but in 2008, when she ran her dirty campaign against Obama (who I voted for). I'm not a conservative. In fact, I used to be a registered Democrat until I figured out how (to use your words) "totally fucking clueless I had been and to believe the propaganda from the worthless as shit politicians" in the Democratic party. Since then, I've registered independent.

    197. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Username checks out!

    198. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more so is the American upbringing which says "you're special". Where most European countries (I live in one now) focus on uniting the people as a single people, America focuses on building walls an separating people at every chance and opportunity. Whether it's schools, neighborhoods, skin colors, religions and churches, political preference, sexual preference, etc... American culture is always about who is best and how even something as simple as driving one type of car makes you more important than someone else.

      I love places like Denmark because a Danish person would never say something like "I accept you for who you are" because it says that person considers themselves in a position to judge another person and decide whether to accept them or not. Instead, they would simply say "I like you for who you are."

    199. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      Remember when we were all worked up about Hillary using her connections to cure malaria?

      Kushner Companies Apologizes After Investment-for-Visas Event in China

      Nicole Kushner Meyer, Kushner’s sister, urged Chinese investors to put $500,000 into a New Jersey real estate project in return for investor visas and residency in the U.S. Meyer cited the EB-5 immigrant investor visa program to make her pitch, though critics have accused organizers of the event of playing up their ties to the White House. “It’s incredibly stupid and highly inappropriate. They clearly imply that the Kushners are going to make sure you get your visa,” Richard Painter, the former chief White House ethics lawyer in President George W. Bush’s administration, told The Washington Post. Kushner Companies was quick to apologize for how the event was framed.

    200. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right in that Trump hasn't been able to do shit legislatively.
      But he's shredding all of the executive branch functions like EPA, State Department, DHS, DOJ, etc.
      Even a progressive president with a majority democratic congress won't be able to easily repair the damage because when people leave they take institutional memory with them.
      Not to mention all of the people that will die or be imprisoned for bullshit under jeff sessions' reign. That never gets undone.

    201. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump really has more important things to worry about than Hillary

      Like golfing!

      and with the collapse of the Clinton Foundation

      Ah, wishful thinking.
      You were clearly fooled by the alt-reporting of the planned shutdown of Clinton Global Initative. Which was announced on August 22nd, 2016. The CGI wasn't responsible for one thin dime, so its shutdown says nothing about the Foundation's health.

      Now the question you should be asking yourself, is why did your alt-news sources lie to you about that? What else have they been lying to you about? Fool you once shame on them, fool you twice shame on you.

    202. Re:Good on France by breeze95 · · Score: 1

      " the aftermath of the election, two things happened. First, the sky didn't fall with Trump and the Republicans have pretty much accepted the status quo on social issues I care about. .

      Can you tell us which social issues that the Republicans have accepted the status quo?

    203. Re:Good on France by Tranzistors · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not when you consider all of Europe. Russia has a murder rate about twice that of America.[...] When you look at the entire continent, Europe "wins".

      If you want to compare Europe vs. America, please include Central America and South America. That you make your comparison more valid.

    204. Re:Good on France by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      That is hindsight 20/20. no one knew what would happen.

      While technically true, the outcome was not surprising for those who have seen populism before. It's not that he promised great things, it's that his just said “things will be great” without any substantiation.

      Also, from what I understand it is as much as congress as it is the executive as to why he doesn't have a full cabinet.

      Nomination is squarely in the hands of the president and his team. I am not aware of any blocking action from the congress.

    205. Re:Good on France by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      aaah... we see bigotry is alive and well in your head

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    206. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or maybe, just maybe, I know something you don't?
      For instance, Switzerland is geographically in Europe, but isn't part of the EU. They have tight immigration controls and border checks, and a functioning police that have balls who aren't afraid of being called racist... As a result, they have some of the best-behaving Muslims you would ever see. Ever.
      That's what you get when you can take the best, and deport the rest...

    207. Re:Good on France by Barsteward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      because the gun carriers still think they are cowboys of a bygone era. virtually all the US cop dramas are rehashed cowboy scenarios where guns are always drawn

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    208. Re:Good on France by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I think you are the illiterate idiot here.

      That liar stated that, and I quote:

      Even in the EU, the murder rate is about 40% of
      America's, which is not "almost no murders".

      Emphasis mine.

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    209. Re: Good on France by dave420 · · Score: 1

      They have no border checks with Germany you cretin. You don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about.

    210. Re:Good on France by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Absolutely! This is truly great news for the world, as this not only secures the trading value of the EU block, it sabotages Putin's plan to remove both nuclear powers from the EU. This outcome vastly improves the EU security situation and removes substantial parts of the risk of invasion by Russia that the Baltic states and Poland faced otherwise.

      Why? It is Putin's aim and has been for a decade is to destabilize and isolate all nuclear powers. He succeeded in the US with Trump's isolationist vision, although the totality of congress is keeping him in line so far. He succeeded inthe UK with May's isolationist vision, although demographics show UK return to the EU within a decade. If the ongoing Russian subterfuge had gotten Pen elected then France withdrawing from the international sphere would have left the EU isolated and reliant on the military power of Germany, who lacks their own nuclear weapons as yet.

      I am vastly in favor of full rearmament in Germany and Japan, including nuclear weapons. Regional powers for both are abusing the terms that limit their arsenal as means to exert unearned dominance and control. Whether the current nuclear powers all deserve that influence is also up for debate, but the only solution there is mild proliferation.

    211. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      And yet gun violence is massively lower in most of Europe. It's a lot harder to get guns into Europe from those areas then it is to bring guns over state lines in the US thus gun violence rates are far lower. It then follows both logically and in a literal statistical fashion that homicides are lower because it's a good bit harder to kill someone with a knife then a gun (which essentially a point and click device).

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    212. Re:Good on France by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Not really. The only US states where the murder rate is comparable to the murder rate of the EU are the states where barely anyone lives, which is kind of duh, because crime rate is generally proportional to population density. But even then these states have a much lower population density than most of the EU countries so it still sucks in comparison.

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    213. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Cheers to you sir, you win the grasp on reality award for the evening! Regional gun laws are indeed crap but not because gun laws are crap. It's because guns just come in from elsewhere.

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    214. Re:Good on France by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Besides, moslems have no imagination when it comes to boy names - it is like half of them have that name, that kind of skews the statistics.

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    215. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      A place where "anyone" can lead is a good thing? Please, there's plenty of idiots in this country and a rabid nationalist who has no experience is not a strong candidate.

      "In any case during the campaign Trump (and all his faults) were compared to Clinton (and all her faults) and in a majority of states voters thought the later was worse. What is the the problem ?"

      Well the problem is that the majority of Americans (you know, the country the president governs) didn't choose Trump, they chose Hilary. The electoral college is a travesty that lets 10 or so states decide our presidential elections. And no, before you mention it, it is not empowering the small states at all as half of the top ten most populous states are swing states.

      Oh and being hated by your party's elite doesnt automatically mean good (although I too share some frustrations with our two main parties). It could mean he's not fit to govern ("gosh, I didn't know being president would be so hard! Maybe I should spend 8 years of presidential vacation years in one, playing golf at my resorts)

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    216. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, from what I understand it is as much as congress as it is the executive as to why he doesn't have a full cabinet.

      Nope. Trump has to nominate someone before congress can obstruct their appointment. As of a week ago the White House had yet to even name candidates for 468 of the 554 key positions that require Senate confirmation.

    217. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Utter bullshit. I live in Switzerland and often travel all over the continent. There're no "tight immigration controls and border checks" - you can take a train and cross the German/French/Italian without anyone even asking for your passport. In fact, people here often travel back and forth to Germany just for shopping.

    218. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Really? The Republicans have been getting nuttier and nastier for years. Mainstream Republicans used to believe government could and should do at least some things. With what gerrymandering has brought us most Republicans tack far right to avoid challenges from the most active elements of their own party because they don't have to worry about Democratic challengers.

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    219. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Laugh it up, but i've been thinking about this and both Trump and Brexit likely played a significant factor in this election, and will affect several more to come in the near future.

    220. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Hillary was most certainly a moderate democrat. If that's not obvious you don't know what moderate democrat means. I have no interest in debating competent with you as it would require too much of my time.

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    221. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every new resident has seven days to register with the police. If you don't register, guess how long it takes to get a policeman knocking at the door?

      Clueless, aren't you?

    222. Re: Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But yet everything you quote there is correct. Castro did indeed create an amazing medical system for a third world nation and their education system isnt so bad. He was also a very skilled orator. I have zero love of communism and little love for Castro (I do admire his medical system) but Trudeau did not utter a single falsehood there.

      Maybe you should examine your own intellect if you're questing Trudeau on that point.

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    223. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you don't see them, does not mean the checks (e.g. airline API) aren't there. Each time you shop in Germany, your plates get scanned at the border. A percentage of trains are checked, and IDs controlled. ALL residents are required to register with the police (something utterly unthinkable in the US).

      As someone that actually took a (small) part in implementing some of these electronic controls, I can tell you officially: you are a clueless cunt.
      Start here: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home/themen/einreise/ibm.html

    224. Re:Good on France by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Just FYI, the Russian short form for Vladimir would be Vova or Volodya. The latter because due to a vocal shift in Slavic languages over a thousand years ago the correct Russian form of that name used to be "Volodimer", but Russian has a lot of loan words from Old Church Slavonic (which is essentially a dialect of Old Bulgarian) where the aforementioned vocal shift went a different way.

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    225. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You're like the FOX commentator screaming "why isnt the black community condemning this crime?" or "why isn't the Muslim community condemning this crime?" when no one asks that of white people when a white christian commits a terrible crime.

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    226. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      And many atheists do bad things too. You're lack of commitment to freedom of thought it terribly disappointing.

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    227. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Shit, "your"

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    228. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the name should tell you, the "Front National" is a neo-Fascist party which was funded by a bunch of Nazis and antisemites and has a long history of glorifying the Vichy regime that collaborated with Hitler and of instigating violence and racism. The FN is not just a populist party like the German AfD or Geert Wilders' pet project (actually, Macron's movement is the populist party), they are genuine fascists who could and would destroy their own country if they ever got into power. The FN has rightly been ridiculed in France since the 70s when they were founded, and the fact that some people apparently deem them electable nowadays gives real cause for concern and is the biggest political scandal since the Vichy days when France was occupied. You should read Umberto Eco's essay on Ur-fascism, you could learn something from it.

    229. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Yeah but to him, 18-34 only counts if you're reposting pepe the frog memes.

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    230. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Also, what in the hell does this have to do with Russia? This was an election in France. At least read the title.

      lol. The Russians hacked Macron, thinking the shame shit they pulled with the yanks would work twice. Turns out the French are smarter. Who would've thunk it.

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    231. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You should read over stuff before you hit submit.

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    232. Re: Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Not with the police - with the canton of your residence. The Swiss like to keep track of their residents for a number of reasons but policing has little to do with it.

      You should really visit Switzerland some day. It will clear a lot of misconceptions you seem to have.

    233. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Semantics: if you don't register with the controle des habitants, it's the police that shows up.
      Now ask yourself why you need an ID to buy a SIM card :)

    234. Re:Good on France by sidetrack · · Score: 1

      WTF? You're basing your views on a junky TV show? Just look at the stats. Really, go and look at them. Please.

      UK murder rate is less than 1 per 100,000 per year. US is more than 4 times higher at just under 4 per 100,000 per year for 2013.

      For that matter, why TF are you worried about murders, you're more than twice as likely to be killed on the roads in the US as you are murdered. But you're more likely to be murdered in the US than you are run over in the UK.

      But if you still prefer anecdote to facts, then I've lived in both countries, and I know which one I feel safest in.

      [sources wikipedia, and ourworldindata.org]

    235. Re: Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Dude, you're really stretching out semantics. How exactly is police supposed to show up if you fail to register? People move in Switzerland (i did) and police will certainly not knock your door down if you fail to re-register. Again, registration is more related to taxation and local regulations than citizen policing.

      Also, i don't know how you came up with the "tight immigration controls" and "border checks". Immigrating to Switzerland is relatively easy if you can prove income and border checks are particularly relaxed. The only time i was checked at a border was when shopping in Konstanz, Germany, and they were more interested on my receipts than my passport and residency card.

    236. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If we weren't drowning in fucking idiots, he'd never have got past the primaries. But we are, and he did.

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    237. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      As opposed to Trump who is corrupt (hiring illegal workers and not paying them as well as colluding with a foreign government during the election), has repeatedly shown his incompetence (I thought it would be easier), has lied since day one (Hillary's not in jail, Obamneycare wasn't repealed on day one, Mexico isn't paying for the wall, the swamp is filled almost to capacity and he's gone golfing more times in three months than Obama went in an entire year), has gotten several service members killed already because of his penchant to use the military without thought, and a hack of the highest order as shown by the chaos of his administration where one hand literally does not know what the other is doing.

      So yeah, big difference between the two.

      You forgot about ISIS. I assume Trump did too because they still exist, and I believe he promised they'd already be gone by now.

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    238. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      That's fascinating. Assuming it would annoy him, I'll refer to him as Vlad, or "Dear Leader".

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    239. Re:Good on France by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If you repeat another's error you should mark it with [sic], though some fucktards seem to think it means "I don't agree with this".

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    240. Re:Good on France by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Less class inequality? Are you fucking high? You assholes still have monarchs. You can't get any more unequal than that. At least over here, literally any citizen has a shot at the top spot.

    241. Re:Good on France by jpaine619 · · Score: 1
      When are you cunts gonna get it through your heads that the 1st amendment has nothing to do with hunting, self defense, or recreation? Those are just side benefits.

      The largest murderers in history (by volume) are GOVERNMENTS. More people have been killed by governments turning on them, than any psychotic serial killer or thugged out gang member could ever hope to even imagine.

      Government murders run into the TENS OF MILLIONS.

      Our founders codified these gun rights to protect us FROM THE GOVERNMENT. If you think the good old US of A is somehow unique and could never turn on its own population, I'd like to direct your attention to Japanese Americans during WWII.

      I concede they weren't killed in the camps, but they were locked up without charge or trial. They were citizens and their own government turned on them. Locked up for an hour or a year.. It doesn't matter. It's WRONG.

      The precedent has been set. The government CAN and WILL turn on the population again at some point in the future.. I don't know what will precipitate it, but it will happen.

    242. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From places with lax gun laws. So what could the solution be?

    243. Re:Good on France by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Calling him Vova would probably be more annoying (it is an overly familiar form). Even more annoying would be Vovochka - the same but with an added diminutive, also the name of the #1 russian joke character archetype (think little Johnny, but maybe even more vulgar).

      Hence the quip that goes like "starting 1999 all jokes about Vovochka are considered political".

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    244. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the fault of tribalism not Islam, and Islam actually bans that practice by banning those cults causing it.

    245. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some liberals find it fashionable to hate anything that is mainstream. They're the brainless hipsters of the left

      Since when are liberals on the left?

    246. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the constitution. Enjoy your stay.

    247. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Too bad Bozo wasn't on the ballot; the USA might've had a shot at sane and competent leadership.

      On the ballot? He fucking won.

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    248. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's overwhelminglyâ white on white. Enjoy the clan rally.

    249. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If you can explain that then please explain, why, outside a medieval dynasty, Mr Bush's son, Mr Bush actually becomes president.

      At the time Bush was 'elected' (it was a stolen election BTW) it genuinely stunned me that nobody was interested in commenting on the fact that the new president was the son of the president from two terms before.

      Anyone can be president in the USA, can they? Fucking LOL.

      You have an oligarchy, and your ruling class are well entrenched. The fact that so many americans think that Trump is somehow outside of this establishment is fucking hilarious. Or at least it would be if you didn't have quite so many nukes.

      Anyway. Enjoy the shitstorm this clown creates. He's barely getting started.

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    250. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Just because you have lots of money does not mean you will win. It helps you, no doubt, but it isn't a guaranteed purchase.

      Having money doesn't mean guaranteed win, sure. Not having money does mean guaranteed loss, though.

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    251. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It's pretty weird though, that Trump is apparently not liked by many in the republican party whilst still being a complete and total cunt. Mystery for the ages.

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    252. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      In secular countries you are generally legally allowed to mock religion. Christians largely appear to just put up with it, or whinge about it. Muslims appear to take things rather more seriously. Not all, but it seems like a lot more.

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    253. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      And many atheists do bad things too.

      "No, you". Argument over. You're a fucking genius.

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    254. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      The IRA, UDA and other splinter groups from the Northern Irish troubles are excellent examples of Christian extremists.

      The fact that you think that merely illustrates that you know precisely fuck all about the Troubles.

      Religion came along for the ride because it wants to be relevant. DeValera put the catholic church in charge of the new Irish republic and it raped the fuck out of everything in sight.

      The Troubles are a cultural and political conflict. No-one gives a fuck about the differences between protestant and catholic.

      So in actual fact, they are a shit example of Christian extremists.

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    255. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      "moslems" lol.

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    256. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in spades.

    257. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South America is a separate continent. I concede that Central America should be included in statistics for all of North America.

    258. Re:Good on France by rockout · · Score: 0

      We have enough racist assholes living here already (didn't you see our last election?), you should stay in Europe.

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    259. Re:Good on France by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Even more annoying would be Vovochka - the same but with an added diminutive...

      So, then, roughly analogous to the size of his penis.

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    260. Re:Good on France by LifesABeach · · Score: 0

      I don't know who modded you down, but they're Gerks. What these snowflake pundits should be evaluating is that there's a Scott's Man in Paris, "all hail MacRon!"

    261. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "First, the sky didn't fall with Trump"
      Tell that to the people caught in his fuckup of an immigration ban; who knows just what a disaster that would have produced if the courts hadn't shut it down.
      As if traveling by air isn't stressful enough.

      "No, I was never going to vote for Clinton: she proved that she was an evil b*tch when she ran against Obama (who I voted for)"
      "the Democratic party and its supporters have become even nuttier and nastier"
      Wait a minute - you voted for Obama in 2008 and you think that it's the DEMS who've become "nuttier & nastier"?
      I can believe what I'm reading.

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    262. Re:Good on France by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm sure you believe that. Large numbers of Americans disagree (myself included).

      Well, some people still disagree that the Earth isn't flat. That doesn't make it so.

      What it shows is that your dislike for Hillary isn't based on any of those things. It's deeper and almost certainly irrational which is why you have to rationalize it by claiming there's evidence for your belief. Interesting.

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    263. Re:Good on France by halivar · · Score: 2

      It's almost like other countries transliterate the Arabic word differently than you do. Curious. (FYI, even in English the spelling was "moslem" until quite recently, though many also just said "Mohammadian".)

    264. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoy my Donaldisms every day... he'll, I celebrate every time an illegal gets shipped out.

      Enjoy your continued rapes and beheadings.

    265. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For rejecting fascism.

      No no no. La Pen lost.
      France continues under fascism, the it has for 30 years.

    266. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Um, are you sure you understand what "racist" means?

    267. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one where there's more rapes and beheadings? It was bad enough just deal with the limeys. Now it's the goat fuckers too.

    268. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute. NCIS is the number one watched show in the world right now. Those US cop dramas are consistently watched outside the US. Does that mean Canada, Australia, and the EU all secretly want to be cowboys? Or maybe your premise is just wrong.

    269. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my home country of Kazakhstan, people oppose gun control by saying "I'm not going to hurt anyone". In the US and A, people oppose gun control by saying "but what if I need to hurt someone and don't have my gun?"

      Of course there's more gun murders in the US.

    270. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a better argument before Mr. "The Constitution is a huge problem" took power.

      Oh!! The Constitution only applies to the other guys! Of course!

    271. Re:Good on France by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      those places don't have the "wild west" history or an out of date definition of a constitution to claim as a precedence for carrying penis extensions

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    272. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For people who have no idea what "liberal" means, have never read Adam Smith and generally have no clue about history, they are.

    273. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > virtually all the US cop dramas are rehashed cowboy scenarios where guns are always drawn

      And Jack Bauer/24isn't a properly sourced and statistically valid demonstration of how effective torture is? /s

    274. Re:Good on France by jbengt · · Score: 1

      If you spend money to air a commercial should you be able to say anything political you want?

      Should Congress be unable to regulate your corporation's spending on political advertising, even while you are enjoying the privilege of limited liability that Congress gives in order to encourage investment in productive businesses? Should congress not be able to end your limited liability when they see a problem with corporations gaining too much power over The People by spending on behalf of politicians friendly to their business?

    275. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ways to handle that stuff other than bombs and strongarm tactics. Even with the MOAB dropped, it actually shored up Daesh because their subsequent attack killed more people. There are better ways to handle the situations, especially hearts and minds. Plus, Europe already had its share of police states in the 1990s... I'm sure they don't want to go back to that.

    276. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack.

      Sounds like somebody voted with their emotions as compared to their best interests.

    277. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think this family dynasty shit is over now that Trump was elected, prepare to be surprised. He's positioning half his family for future political office. Kushner and Ivanka are both picking an office and running one his term is up.

    278. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      What is the difference between a corporation and an individual? Should speech be limited because of the tax code that applies to you?

       

      corporations gaining too much power over The People by spending on behalf of politicians friendly to their business?

      The more moneyed and corporate candidate lost in 2016 for US elections. Money != guaranteed political power. Citizens can still vote no matter what corporations do and can hold the government accountable and can force the government to change positions. Corporations cannot do that.

        What happens if half the electorate disagree with you and want more corporate 'freedoms', is that corporations gaining too much power over "The People"? Even if those 'freedom' were granted by the people through elections and votes? Who is "The People" if half the electorate disagree?

    279. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      Well, not every nation can be blessed with such "sane and competent", not to mention pretty, leadership as you:

      Well, duh. Trudeau is a politician. Nice guys do not claw their way to the level of running entire countries. You'll never catch me saying that we don't have any problems with our leadership. It's not all lollipops and unicorns up here.

      As for Castro... I fully agree with you, he was exactly the sort of dictator the United States is happy to make friends with. He just wasn't on your side.

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    280. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Has anyone tried?

    281. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      So, we should just only have elites run the nation? I wonder how the "elite" define elite... -.- Yes, democracy means that even stupid people can run the nation that isn't' the point. A government for the people, by the people, and of the people means that if people are stupid the government will be too. Are you an authoritarian?

      Well the problem is that the majority of Americans (you know, the country the president governs) didn't choose Trump, they chose Hilary. The electoral college is a travesty that lets 10 or so states decide our presidential elections. And no, before you mention it, it is not empowering the small states at all as half of the top ten most populous states are swing states.

      There are problems with democracy. The same reasons that the Senate exist is the same reason for the Electoral College in a different branch of government. Do you think the Senate is a good idea for a bicameral Congress?

      Swing states change over time as that States politics change based on the peoples needs and wants. Large states cannot ignore the small states because they have more people. The whole point was to keep the union together by ensuring that the Executive had the needs and wants in mind for a majority of states. We are a union of states not a mob. There is no single national election. Clinton lost the majority of elections. She won large margins in the few elections she did win. That is not enough because it has always been about the electoral college. Blame her for running a terrible campaign.

      Oh and being hated by your party's elite doesnt automatically mean good (although I too share some frustrations with our two main parties). It could mean he's not fit to govern ("gosh, I didn't know being president would be so hard! Maybe I should spend 8 years of presidential vacation years in one, playing golf at my resorts)

      It doesn't automatically mean good it just means he was an outsider and that anyone can become POTUS regardless of what established institutions want. That is a good thing. That is how you avoid civil war by ensuring the government accommodates the changing body politic of the nation.

      Seriously, it sounds like you don't want a democracy yet rail on about popular vote and the people. What do you want?

    282. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the people caught in his fuckup of an immigration ban

      Oh, poor babies! They might have gotten stuck outside the country for a few months waiting for a visa!

      You know, like I and many other legal immigrants have been in the past. Where was your outrage for the past half century before Trump?

      Wait a minute - you voted for Obama in 2008 and you think that it's the DEMS who've become "nuttier & nastier"? I can believe what I'm reading.

      Stop your stupid binary thinking. I didn't become a Republican, I have become an Independent.

    283. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      For me, an unknown had a chance of being better than a known bad. What is democracy without populism?

      I am not aware of any blocking action from the congress.

      I know it's back and forth and both share some blame. Just as the executive haven't put up much names for nomination the few that have been put forward took a very long time to get confirmed compared to prior administrations/congress.

    284. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a Senator never qualified as experience. Senators are in the legislative branch, the President is in the executive.

    285. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      And "gun control" will never be harmonized across the US without a super majority to change the constitution. So, either accept that fact of reality or keep assuming you can change reality with a pen and paper.

      Like it or not, guns are a protected right in the US. If order of the rights mean anything then it is the 2nd most important right we have. We can say what we want and defend ourselves for saying it. Considering how the government was complicit with antifa violence, these days, I am less concerned about a tyrannical government than a lynch mob and a complicit government.

    286. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Really? The Republicans have been getting nuttier and nastier for years.

      So? I didn't join the Republicans, I left the Democrats and became an independent.

      Mainstream Republicans used to believe government could and should do at least some things.

      And they still do: for example, police, education, roads at the local level, highways, criminal justice, family law, health care, welfare, and environment at the state level, and defense and trade policy at the national level.

      What has changed is that Democrats have been increasingly pushing things to the federal level and then accused Republicans of being anarchists when they oppose this and want more local control.

    287. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Everyone with a clue knew.

      As I have said in other posts. For me, an unknown has a chance of being good compared to a known bad. 10/10 would do again, still have 3-7 years to give judgement. Just like I did with Obama when he was elected. Why would I pass judgement before his term is up? I gave Obama a chance even though I disagreed with lots of his policies. I was willing to give Sanders a chance even though I disagree with his policies. Why would I not give Trump a chance even though I disagree with his policies? There is still lots of time for him to succeed/fuck up.

    288. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Hillary was most certainly a moderate democrat.

      Hillary has claimed to be both "moderate" and "progressive"; as Sanders put it "You can be a moderate. You can be a progressive. But you cannot be a moderate and a progressive."

      In fact, she was neither: she flip-flopped between being a progressive and a moderate in her speeches and then adopted policies that served her donors and her political interests. Her history is really that of a left-wing radical (Alinsky and all that).

      So, old, tired Hillary was really neither moderate nor progressive nor radical, she was simply an opportunist and a sell-out to the highest bidder.

    289. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Castro did indeed create an amazing medical system for a third world nation and their education system isnt so bad.

      That's utterly disgusting.

      He was also a very skilled orator.

      You can't usually stay in power as a mass murdering dictator without that skill.

    290. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack.

      Wait, are you describing Hillary or tiny-hands Donnie?

    291. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      I still wonder what causes people like you to obsess so much about US politics: it's not your country, and you obviously don't know much about it.

    292. Re:Good on France by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sometimes religious people don't follow hyperbolic rhetoric. Perhaps they are used to accepting wild ideas from their authority figures instead of thinking for themselves.

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    293. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Well, duh. Trudeau is a politician. Nice guys do not claw their way to the level of running entire countries.

      That may well be, but the aspect of Trudeau's personality that I was referring to is that he is an imbecile.

      As for Castro... I fully agree with you, he was exactly the sort of dictator the United States is happy to make friends with. He just wasn't on your side.

      Well, personally, I think we should largely stop foreign military interventions, withdraw most of our troops from Europe and Asia, and stop support for foreign dictators. Unfortunately, foreign military adventures are popular in both parties, and Hillary had a war boner even bigger than McCain's.

      However, as long as the US is dealing with foreign dictators, I very much prefer dealing with military dictatorships to dealing with communist dictatorships.

      As for your opinion as a Canadian on this, I'll take it for all it's worth: nothing.

    294. Re:Good on France by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      Sure but please tell us exactly where YOU live please.

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    295. Re: Good on France by tbannist · · Score: 1

      The real question is: Why do you have a bug up your ass because the Prime Minister of Canada said a few nice words about a dead dictator? The dictator's dead, can't you let it go?

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    296. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Switzerland has people keep their guns from military service. Sweden has guns for hunting.
      Note that neither are all that convenient for going on a killing spree anyway (no handguns).

    297. Re:Good on France by DavidMZ · · Score: 1

      Macron doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb, but if the Democrats had put up anybody like him, they would likely have won in the US as well.

      Not the brightest bulb? The guy graduated from two of the most prestigious universities in France, has worked in several high profile positions both in the government and in the private sector, created is own political movement, and got elected president at 39. I don't know what you need.

      Besides, if you speak French, you may want to look at his interviews on mediapart (paywalled). The guy is reactive, has well-thought ideas on complex issues, and explains them clearly. But yeah, you have to go beyond soundbites.

    298. Re:Good on France by tbannist · · Score: 1

      There's Russian data in the document metadata. Could be Russia using the White Nationalists to try to control France. Hmm. For some reason that makes me think of a card game.

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    299. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 words: Election fraud.

    300. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Why do you have a bug up your ass because the Prime Minister of Canada

      I have a "bug up my ass" about Canadians and Europeans trying to persuade American voters to persuade them to be more like them. Here, it was Beauregard, a Canadian, who was making fun of Trump, and I think it's valid to point out how rotten his own leadership is.

      The dictator's dead, can't you let it go?

      Unfortunately, the ideology behind Castro isn't dead, and it guides popular mainstream US politicians.

    301. Re:Good on France by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Instead we have a government that passed a bill to allow people with mental illness to purchase firearms.

      That's just propaganda from the people that want to ban all weapons of any kind, and leave everyone helpless.

      The bill, that was rejected, would ban anyone who even visited a psychologist, including decorated soldiers that were required to have a checkup as part of their mustering out. Not good!

      There are other laws to prevent the insane from having guns, the problem is that government privacy laws apply to them as well and prevent the situation from being reported. We are working on fixing that, but it must be done carefully.

    302. Re:Good on France by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      because the gun carriers still think they are cowboys of a bygone era. virtually all the US cop dramas are rehashed cowboy scenarios where guns are always drawn

      Hollywood lies...
      If you agree not to judge us by the movies made about us, then maybe we will agree not to judge you by the movies made about you (and your's are worse). ;-)

    303. Re:Good on France by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      those places don't have the "wild west" history or an out of date definition of a constitution to claim as a precedence for carrying penis extensions

      You should not say things like that, because anyone who knows will know that you are an ID10T.

    304. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USA wins! USA! USA! USA!

    305. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alexander was ranked second.

      Here's the list from the Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache e. V.:
      http://gfds.de/nur-dieses-jahr-die-beliebtesten-35-maedchen-und-jungennamen/

      +5 Informative even though you're the one who's wrong or lying. Goes to show how worthless modding.

    306. Re:Good on France by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      If we weren't drowning in fucking idiots, he'd never have got past the primaries. But we are, and he did.

      If you think you are an elite, and that everyone else is an idiot, then you are not and they are not. ;-)

      P.S. what really happened is that the voters used Trump to punish both parties as well as the established power structure.

      Of course, life is not a zero-sum game.

      A two player game has four states, not two. The standard response to someone changing it from win-win to win-lose, is to change it to lose-lose and crash everything. The voters are one player, the politicians and powerbrokers are the other player. So be careful how you play.

    307. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfotunately the troll here is the one you replied to and who got modded up.

      Here's the actual ranking of 2016 with 2015 rankings in brackets: http://gfds.de/nur-dieses-jahr-die-beliebtesten-35-maedchen-und-jungennamen/

    308. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      That may well be, but the aspect of Trudeau's personality that I was referring to is that he is an imbecile.

      No, he's not. If that's what you believe, you're dumber than you think he is.

      Just like nice guys don't get to the level of running countries, imbeciles don't either. He may not be a genius, but he's smart enough to have outmanoeuvred his political rivals, worked his way to the head of his party, and then won a major election against a very experienced and motivated opposition.

      I don't know what it is about people who seriously call out their political opposition as "stupid". Especially when the opposition won.

      Similarly, Trump isn't dumb. He's ruthless, cunning, impulsive, playing a completely different game from any politician we've ever seen, doesn't give a shit about who he steps on, isn't entirely sane, and doesn't appear to have the skills or interests needed to be a competent president, but he's definitely not stupid.

      As for your opinion as a Canadian on this, I'll take it for all it's worth: nothing.

      That's the most encouraging thing I've seen from you say so far.

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    309. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The French voting populace has proven something: They're smarter than U.S. voters; they didn't fall for the right-wing whack-job. Good for them. Perhaps people here in the U.S. will take note and learn from them.

    310. Re:Good on France by operagost · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for your comprehensive evidence that the majority of guns used in crimes in Chicago were legally purchased in Indiana.

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    311. Re:Good on France by operagost · · Score: 1

      A smooth transition into 4 more years of Obama-style nonsense, this time using her genitalia instead of her skin color to shut down dissent.

      At least Trump has revived dissent and distrust of the government.

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    312. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Just like nice guys don't get to the level of running countries, imbeciles don't either. He may not be a genius, but he's smart enough to have outmanoeuvred his political rivals, worked his way to the head of his party, and then won a major election against a very experienced and motivated opposition.

      Oh, I'm sorry, you misunderstood. Trudeau is doubtlessly very smart at manipulating people and the political system for his own benefit. Hillary is the same way. It's bizarre that people like you seem to think that's a good thing.

      Where Trudeau is an "imbecile" is the areas that actually matter to me and that he claims to be good at: economics and good government, as evidenced by his comment on Castro.

      That's the most encouraging thing I've seen from you say so far.

      So, you'll keep your nose out of stuff that's NOYB then, like US politics?

    313. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      So, you'll keep your nose out of stuff that's NOYB then, like US politics?

      Will you stop making arguments from false premises?

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    314. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did find that odd during the election cycle, basically, it seemed that Trump was complaining about Hilary doing all the things HE wanted to do.

    315. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Swiss voted for tighter immigration control, but so far I don't think it has been implemented, because it would mean losing access to many EU projects and cooperations.
      So currently Switzerland has pretty much the same immigration controls and border checks as Germany (and yes, in Germany you also have to register where you live, though I think they are more gracious than the 7 day window, and I'm pretty sure in neither country it is actually that critical - I know nobody checked with my parents whether I really moved out or not and whether I really now live in the country I specified).

    316. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Will you stop making arguments from false premises?

      You're Canadian, are you not?

    317. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      You're Canadian, are you not?

      Yep.

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    318. Re:Good on France by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Also, if you remove all the gang homicides from the stats, the US homicide rate drops to something like 0.3 per 100k, which IIRC is the 3rd lowest in the world.

      And gangs are mostly a function of "diversity" (mainly immigrants and 2nd generationers).

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    319. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Well, foreign interference in US politics is unacceptable, whether it comes from Russia, Saudi Arabia, or Canada.

    320. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "Where was your outrage for the past half century before Trump?"
      That long ago, I was still a foreigner. And I had plenty of outrage then, now and in-between.

      " I didn't become a Republican, I have become an Independent"
      If you've been looking at the political landscape of the past several decades and drawing the conclusion that it's the *Democrats* who've become "nuttier & nastier*, I have to question your judgment.
      An independent who doesn't vote? That's truly independent, I guess.
      You do know that the ballot had much more than just Trump & Clinton on it, right?

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    321. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      A smooth transition into 4 more years of Obama-style nonsense, this time using her genitalia instead of her skin color to shut down dissent.

      At least Trump has revived dissent and distrust of the government.

      Which fucking universe did you teleport in from last week? The mantra of dissent & distrust has been alive and well for a long time.
      Did you miss the Iraq War protests against Bush? The Tea Party protests against Obama?
      The continual threat of GOP government shutdowns incl 1 successful one that lasted 2 weeks in Oct 2013?
      And Occupy Wall Street went on for over a year during your Rip Van Winkle nap.

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    322. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      The Presidency is not or should not be luck of the draw or a coin toss. The man has demonstrated ZERO integrity during 45 years of being in the public eye and knows nothing about what being President mean despite being close to more than one administration.

      Can you imagine the outcry if Obama had said 100 days into the clusterfuck economy that he inherited "this is just too hard; I miss my old life"

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    323. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      Well, foreign interference in US politics is unacceptable, whether it comes from Russia, Saudi Arabia, or Canada.

      So, let me see if I understand this... a foreigner stating opinions about US politics is equivalent in your mind with interfering in US politics?

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    324. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who have never known prosperity are not buying the bullshit anymore.

      Those who have never known war are buying bullshit again. My grand-parents have known war amd fascism. We are at the start of another cycle of bullshit, propaganda (under the name of "alternative facts"), facism and war. Trump is like Mussolini "We deny your internationalism, because it is a luxury which only the upper classes can afford".

    325. Re: Good on France by erapert · · Score: 1

      Castro did indeed create an amazing medical system for a third world nation and their education system isnt so bad.

      Stop
      spreading
      this
      myth.
      Just stop.

      Just use Google ffs.

    326. Re:Good on France by erapert · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

    327. Re:Good on France by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Very misleading to the point of being BS. Compare the per-capita homicide rates of, say, Seattle, Amsterdam, and Detroit. Amsterdam has a higher murder rate than Seattle, in spite of having the freedom to own and carry guns and a 28% gun ownership rate in the latter. So you'll have to do better than "It's Teh GUNZ hur hur"

    328. Re: Good on France by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      That is pure idiocy.

      Very little else need be said, you are totally, thoroughly, completely, and entirely incorrect.

      Nothing could be further from the truth than your statement.

    329. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say Mohammed and I say Mahomet,
      You say Muslim and I say Moslem,
      Muhammad, Mohammad,
      Mussulman, Mohammedan,
      Let's call him David instead.

    330. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Sure and everything in the election for Trump was in comparison to Clinton. Clinton was a joke of a candidate as well.

      this is just too hard; I miss my old life

      Has he said this or expressed this? Wouldn't you be happy over this if he resigned? lol what do you want? You are really projecting any and every failure it could possibly be. Calm down, there is still many years of Trump ahead of us.

    331. Re:Good on France by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      I guess you cherry picked Seattle because of it's low murder rate and Amsterdam because of its high? Very dishonest.
      The point remain that if you compare western Europe to the USA, the murder rate is much higher in the USA. This is also true if you compare cities or regions, as long as you get the whole picture instead of cherry picking.

      The rate (murders per 100,000 inhabitants) in the Netherlands is 0.7. No US state come close. Even Washington, a very safe state, has 3. The safest state, tiny rural New Hampshire, has a rate of 1.1, which is 57% higher than the Netherlands.

      The most dangerous western European country is Belgium with 1.8. Only 3 US states are safer. As a whole, the USA has a rate of 3.9.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    332. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Entity -- Population(2017) -- Area(Km) -- Density(P/Km) -- World Pop
      E.U. -- 506,279,458 ------- 4,239,681 -- 309 ----- 6.7%
      U.S.A. -- 326,474,013 ------- 9,144,930 -- 36 ------ 4.3 %

      EU, many shared laws, open borders for trade and travel, larger population, higher density, larger GDP than the US.
      Meanwhile the US has more than twice as much room to spread out, and over 10 times as many guns.

      So what is the need for Central & South America in on the count? And why not include Mexico, which is not part of Central America?

    333. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the difference between a corporation and an individual?

      One is an entity with chartered existence that only exists by law, the other is independent of the law.

       

      Should speech be limited because of the tax code that applies to you?

      Legal code, not taxes. If you want to give up corporate liability protections, then we can talk.

      The more moneyed and corporate candidate lost in 2016 for US elections.

      Nope, by all accounts, Trump won. Granted, he had the help of the Electoral College, but he is there, stinking up the Oval Office.

      Spreading the whims of corporations and moneyied interests.

      Money != guaranteed political power. Citizens can still vote no matter what corporations do and can hold the government accountable and can force the government to change positions. Corporations cannot do that.

      Sorry, but evidence indicates otherwise, from the history of lobbyists in recent times to the various coups across the globe.

       

      What happens if half the electorate disagree with you and want more corporate 'freedoms', is that corporations gaining too much power over "The People"? Even if those 'freedom' were granted by the people through elections and votes? Who is "The People" if half the electorate disagree?

      Ah, you are familiar with the Roman Empire then? The Confederate South? The Post-War South? The Blues and Greens?

    334. Re:Good on France by operagost · · Score: 1

      Did you notice that the Tea Party was called racist?

      Government shutdowns aren't "dissent". They come from within the government.

      In what fucking universe did you go to school?

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    335. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to admit it and face the danger with a cool head than to say you can fix something when you know you can't.

    336. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Did you notice that the Tea Party was called racist?

      Government shutdowns aren't "dissent". They come from within the government.

      So what if they were called racist? The same has been said about Black Lives Matter.

      In what fucking universe did you go to school?

      This one. In which you also used the word "distrust"? What exactly convinces you that the GOP ever put any trust in Obama?
      It wasn't a Dem or an Independent who jumped up in the middle of an address to Congress by shouting "You LIE!!"

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    337. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Sure and everything in the election for Trump was in comparison to Clinton. Clinton was a joke of a candidate as well.

      No she wasn't. I didn't consider her to be inspiring but she is experienced & competent.

      this is just too hard; I miss my old life

      Has he said this or expressed this?

      Yup. Recorded during an interview with Reuters. "I loved my previous life. I had so many things going"
        "This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier."

      Wouldn't you be happy over this if he resigned? lol what do you want?

      The only bad thing about him resigning would be that Pence would become President. Not sure if that'll be better; to replace a confessed pussy-grabber with one who's afraid to be alone with a female other than his wife.

      You are really projecting any and every failure it could possibly be. Calm down, there is still many years of Trump ahead of us.

      Y'know, I and others were telling people like you to all that fearmongering about Obama was just a load of crap and he never did or said anything close to what Trump has already done or plans to do.
      That didn't even put in a dent in the amount of vitriol & B.S. that was directed against him.

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    338. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go learn what fascism is. It died in 1945 by the allies and specifically with the help of the other leftist ideology called communism. Fascism is leftist and all the french did was pick a communist as their president. Hooray?

    339. Re:Good on France by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      If I was "cherry-picking" would I have put Detroit in there? Try again.

    340. Re:Good on France by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      You are looking at national averages, which is disingenuous: US cities like Seattle and Detroit are covered by the same gun laws and yet vary from safer than European cities, to far more dangerous. Which means, it has almost nothing to do with the gun laws, and has to be something else. What that something else might be, is left as homework to the reader.

    341. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      No she wasn't. I didn't consider her to be inspiring but she is experienced & competent.

      That is your opinion and half the electorate disagreed with you. I thought she was a joke and still think that.

    342. Re:Good on France by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Americans kill each other with knives and other weapons at a proportionally high rate so unless European restrictions on firearms lower the homicide rate with other weapons, Americans are just more violent overall.

    343. Re:Good on France by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      You mentioned Detroit... except you didn't actually compare it to any city, in Europe or elsewhere. Amsterdam is the worst city in Europe according to some web sites. So yes, you clearly cherry picked.

    344. Re:Good on France by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      How about the fact that people can buy guns in many places in the USA and then bring them to cities without crossing any international border?

      You are looking at national averages, which is disingenuous

      How so? You can also look at metropolitain average if you prefer, you will also realize that Western European cities are much safer than similarly-sized US cities. Sure, you can probably find some exception by cherry picking Amsterdam (worst in Europe) and Seattle (I guess one of the safest major metro in the US), but on average, there is a big difference, as in 2-5x the murder rate. It's not even close.

    345. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      No she wasn't. I didn't consider her to be inspiring but she is experienced & competent.

      That is your opinion and half the electorate disagreed with you. I thought she was a joke and still think that.

      Fair enough - but the same argument works in her favor. Except of course that she lost the Electoral College despite easily winning the popular vote ( i.e. MORE than 1/2 the electorate)

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    346. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying things like that while posting on an article about France's politics.. hilarious, you must have meant it as a joke right?

    347. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats interesting news to us Australians! I thought we were about to break the record for longest positive growth of any country..

      However I wouldn't visit the US at the moment let alone consider living there.

    348. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      That is irrelevant. The US is a union of states not a mob. Do you think the Senate is a good Idea for a bicameral Congress? Why would that idea not be good for a different branch of government? The whole point is to ensure that the Executive has the interests of a majority of states. There is no national vote. There are 50 different independent elections that Clinton lost a majority. Yes, she won by large margins in a few states but that shouldn't be enough to alienate the other states like Obama did with the 'fly-over' states.

    349. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      So, let me see if I understand this... a foreigner stating opinions about US politics is equivalent in your mind with interfering in US politics?

      Not just "in my mind". Social media messaging is one of the major components of "foreign interference".

    350. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      if you've been looking at the political landscape of the past several decades and drawing the conclusion that it's the *Democrats* who've become "nuttier & nastier*, I have to question your judgment.

      Just as I question your judgment if you don't see how nutty and nasty Democrats have become.

      An independent who doesn't vote? That's truly independent, I guess.

      I didn't say "I don't vote", I said "I didn't vote". I'm sorry, maybe such subtleties of English are lost on you?

    351. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      That is irrelevant. The US is a union of states not a mob. Do you think the Senate is a good Idea for a bicameral Congress? Why would that idea not be good for a different branch of government? The whole point is to ensure that the Executive has the interests of a majority of states. There is no national vote. There are 50 different independent elections that Clinton lost a majority. Yes, she won by large margins in a few states but that shouldn't be enough to alienate the other states like Obama did with the 'fly-over' states.

      The "half the electorate" statement originally came from you. And suddenly it's irrelevant?
      Btw, Trumplethinskin tweeted in 2012 that the Electoral College was a disaster for the country when Obama cleaned Romney's clock. But he was only too happy to praise it when it delivered him a win.
      trumptwitterarchive.com
      Your statement on the Senate is unclear but implies that you're not aware senators are elected by popular vote, not by an electoral college.

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    352. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't you vote when you think the nuts are going to win?

      "Nutty & nasty" - ok, you show your nasty nuts and I'll show mine.
      You go first.

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    353. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't you vote when you think the nuts are going to win?

      Because I didn't like either Trump or Hillary and didn't care much who won.

      After the election, my views changed moderately: I have a somewhat more positive view of Trump and the Republicans and an even more negative view of Hillary and the Democrats.

    354. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      "half the electorate" isn't irrelevant. "winning the popular vote" is irrelevant. Sure, I could have made it more accurate by saying "about" but I didn't think any point would be made by such pedantics.

      I honestly don't care what Trump says on Twitter.

      Your statement on the Senate is unclear but implies that you're not aware senators are elected by popular vote, not by an electoral college.

      The point of the Senate, as distinct from the House, is to give each state equal representation in a legislative body. Montana has the same "power" as California despite the huge population differences. The House, gives proportional representation to a legislative body. Montana doesn't get much say compared to California. The Electoral College is a mix between equal representation and proportional representation to ensure the Executive has the needs of a majority of states in mind.

      If you read some of the Federalist Papers on the Senate and Electoral College one thing that is interesting is that the compromise they came up with (and ratified in the Constitution) was between small states (rural) and large states (urban). Today, those groups have the greatest differences in needs and wants from their politicians and government. The Executive, being made up from a diverse union must balance their focus between these two dominate opposing groups to ensure stability in the union. You cannot have the government ignore one of these groups for very long without causing anger and unrest.

    355. Re:Good on France by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      This is true. Poland is the only one that hasn't had a terrorist attack. But then again, they're the only one not accepting muzzies either. Smart move of them. If only the rest of Europe would take note!

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    356. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Canada, any group, no matter their cultural diversity, always has two common enemies: the cold, and mosquitoes.

    357. Re:Good on France by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      For me, an unknown had a chance of being better than a known bad.

      Yeah, it's a common mistake. I live in Eastern Europe and there is every system you can think of. Stable rich states with really good social safety nets and high personal freedoms, and right in the neighbourhood nominally socialist states, that can fall apart if the strogman get a heart attack. Capitalist states of varying degree of regulations. No to mention plain old kleptocracies. Once you see how they all look like, the unknown is not that unpredictable. Here in Latvia, we had two governments run by businessmen and it was rather obvious that they indeed ran the state like a business, as in, bankrupting the state is an option, if it means more profit for the CEO. Since then we haven't elected any more businessmen.

      TL;DR world is full of lessons to be learned and things can always get much worse.

    358. Re: Good on France by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Where did anybody claim not to understand something, you great daft bleb?

      BTW spaces can change meaning: pen island, therapist.

      Oh, and learn to use the shift key.

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    359. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Ok, that one was funny :)

    360. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALL residents are required to register with the police.

      Bullshit. There is no Western country that has such a requirement. Not even police states such as the US and the UK.

    361. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      Not just "in my mind". Social media messaging is one of the major components of "foreign interference".

      Well, I can only suggest you disconnect yourself from the Internet. It's the only sure way to be sure you won't be influenced by foreigners.

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    362. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      world is full of lessons to be learned and things can always get much worse.

      Sure, but between the two I didn't see much difference.

    363. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Well, I can only suggest you disconnect yourself from the Internet. It's the only sure way to be sure you won't be influenced by foreigners.

      And let people like you spew your propaganda unopposed? I don't think so.

      I'd like the US not to turn into Canada or Europe, which is why I need to speak up when people like you try brag about the superiority of your glorious state.

    364. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      I'd like the US not to turn into Canada or Europe,

      I think at this point, most of us would be happy if the US just stays the US.

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    365. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, I currently live in the US and have been seriously entertaining taking one of the many job offers I've received from European countries that also offer to pay my emigration fees and provide a nice tax benefit for expatriation. Since literally my entire family will be kicked off of health insurance because of Trumpcare, it is quickly becoming the best option.

      Many of my peers (computer programming) have already emigrated. The brain drain out of America that was predicted to come with a Trump victory is taking place much sooner than anyone could've predicted.

    366. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      I think at this point, most of us would be happy if the US just stays the US.

      Well, guess what, Americans don't give a f*ck about what you would be happy about.

    367. Re:Good on France by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      To be fair, nobody knew how corrupt or incompetent Trump's presidency would be before he took office.

      Yeah, and nobody knew how complicated health care was, either. I'm completely unsurprised by Trump's Presidency.

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    368. Re:Good on France by c · · Score: 1

      Well, guess what, Americans don't give a f*ck about what you would be happy about.

      Yes, we know; we find it cute how you treat us just like other Americans.

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    369. Re: Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, you are quite clueless, aren't you?
      Here you go

    370. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you talking about?

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    371. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      It's funny though you think that your kicking Muslims out post so over the top that it shouldnt have been taken literally. There are posts on slashdot that amount to what you said all the time

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    372. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      "So, we should just only have elites run the nation?"

      You're putting words in my mouth. I only said idiots shouldn't be president.

      "There are problems with democracy. The same reasons that the Senate exist is the same reason for the Electoral College in a different branch of government. Do you think the Senate is a good idea for a bicameral Congress?"

      Empowering small states is only a small reason as to why the Senate exists (and yes I do disagree with that in that specific context). It's also there to provide two other things; to provide a body within congress that is less prone to rapid swings of opinion within the public with its elections being held every 6 years in a staggered fashion and to provide a body within congress that was not directly elected by the people as many of the founding fathers most certainly didnt trust the general public.

      "It doesn't automatically mean good it just means he was an outsider and that anyone can become POTUS regardless of what established institutions want. That is a good thing. That is how you avoid civil war by ensuring the government accommodates the changing body politic of the nation."

      Is it a good thing? Hitler was democratically elected too.

      "Seriously, it sounds like you don't want a democracy yet rail on about popular vote and the people. What do you want?"

      One or the other, this mixed bag shit has got to go.

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    373. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      I was referring to 60's and 70's Republicans who were about as conservative as today's Democrats.

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    374. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      No, she was a moderate who only adopted more progressive policies after being pushed to the left by Sanders. Such a shift to one side or the other during the primaries is not at all indicative of a candidate's real priorities and is regularly done by politicians.

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    375. Re: Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      The truth is utterly disgusting? What part of what Trudeau said was wrong?

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    376. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      I was referring to 60's and 70's Republicans who were about as conservative as today's Democrats.

      From 1960 to 1980, the "moderate" wing of the Republicans had somewhat more power. Republicans still were against abortion, against a guaranteed minimum income, and against gay rights, and for free markets and balanced budgets.

      Republicans haven't changed that much, except maybe for getting a little software on social issues. It's the Democrats that have been taken over (temporarily) by left wing radical; the senile, wrinkly detritus of the 1960's social movements, people like Clinton and Sanders. Hopefully, as they leave the scene, Democrats will return to some semblance of sanity.

    377. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      No, she was a moderate who only adopted more progressive policies after being pushed to the left by Sanders. Such a shift to one side or the other during the primaries is not at all indicative of a candidate's real priorities

      So you are saying then that she was not only lying, but that she believed that those lies would be effective in misleading enough voters to hand her victory.

      Personally, I simply don't know what Hillary believes anymore. I used to assume that she was a moderate, but given her history with Alinsky, it's just as likely that she was a radical pretending to be a moderate for all these years. In the end, it didn't matter.

      and is regularly done by politicians.

      True, but that doesn't make it alright. And I think Hillary's lies have been outside the normal range even for politicians.

    378. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1
    379. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Nixon, a Republican president, signed of on creating the EPA. Yes the Republican party has changed a lot since then.

      The party today would never endorse such government interference in the private sector and yet here we are, not China, with our relatively clean air and water.

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    380. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Well I think we can settle together quite nicely on that Hillary wasn't all that great although lining Clinton up with Alinsky to define her as far left I think is not accurate as plenty of people go far left when they're young and I don't think the comparisons to her later life are terribly apt. Lots of politicians practice "real politik" like Alinksy, on both sides of the political spectrum but yet Hillary typically advocated moderate Democratic party values until Bernie made things uncomfortable for her.

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    381. Re: Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Well your first link is literally internet garbage. Please get back to me as to its value.

      And now I'm reading your second article and it makes no compelling case at all. Castro made third world medicine work and that really is a big fucking deal. By that example we know that third worlders dont have to live in the state most are in. Proper education and focus can get all people at least somewhat proper healthcare. I'm sorry that makes you angry but that's what he did and it's a pretty big deal.

      I would never call Castro a good guy in a historic narrative but there really is quite a bit to learn from what he did and in a positive context.

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    382. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Nixon, a Republican president, signed of on creating the EPA. Yes the Republican party has changed a lot since then. The party today would never endorse such government interference in the private sector

      Well, as I was saying, Republicans were indeed somewhat more moderate in the 1960's and 1970's, but after that, they simply returned to historical norms. In addition, presidents often are not typical for what a party stands for. Also, the EPA was merely intended to consolidate environmental regulation that was already happening at the federal level anyway.

      Democrats, since the 1990's, have started to embrace extreme left positions, such as democratic socialism, social justice, and critical theory. Between Republicans returning to their historical norms in the 1980's and Democrats gradually moving to the far left over the last couple of decades, the gap has indeed widened. But it's the Democrats that deviate from historical norms, not the Republicans.

      and yet here we are, not China, with our relatively clean air and water

      Yes, and we are also a relatively free market oriented society, as opposed to China's far left government. Leftist governments tend to be quite bad for the environment.

    383. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Well I think we can settle together quite nicely on that Hillary wasn't all that great although lining Clinton up with Alinsky to define her as far left I think is not accurate as plenty of people go far left when they're young and I don't think the comparisons to her later life are terribly apt. Lots of politicians practice "real politik" like Alinksy, on both sides of the political spectrum but yet Hillary typically advocated moderate Democratic party values until Bernie made things uncomfortable for her.

      I'm not "defining her as far left". I am saying that she has been both far left and moderate and gone back and forth between the two. I simply don't know if she holds any coherent political beliefs at all.

      And responding to Sanders the way she did was her big mistake. If she had stood up as a consistent and proud moderate, she ran a small risk of losing to Sanders, but she would have gone into the election with a much better profile. Instead, she came across as a dishonest and opportunistic sleazeball who tried to steal Sanders' chances, and at the same time left people like me wondering what her actual political views were, or if she simply was in the pocket of special interests all along.

    384. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Well your first link is literally internet garbage. Please get back to me as to its value.

      It mirrors the stupidity of Trudeau's comments.

      I would never call Castro a good guy in a historic narrative but there really is quite a bit to learn from what he did and in a positive context.

      And what do you think is there "to learn" from Castro "in a postiive context"? Which parts of Cuban society would you like to see replicated in Canada or the US?

    385. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He obviously knows more than you.

      Trump is at least as corrupt and deceitful as Hillary, and he's also inexperienced at governance and less intelligent.

      Seriously, the man cannot even write correct sentences on Twitter. I've seen grade schoolers who can communicate better.

    386. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      You're putting words in my mouth. I only said idiots shouldn't be president.

      Whats the difference in practice? Define idiot. Then convince enough of the electorate that the definition is good. Then Convince the people that voted for Trump that Trump fits that definition. I am willing to bet you can't and it would never happen. Looks like Trump would still be president even if you had some arbitrary "no idiots" that didn't mean "only elites".... lol

    387. Re: Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      No. your first link doing an image search for "Trudeaueulogies", a term used by people who don't like Trudeau to try to make funny memes about him is garbage. All it proves is that people who dont like Trudeau dont like him.

      "And what do you think is there "to learn" from Castro "in a postiive context"? Which parts of Cuban society would you like to see replicated in Canada or the US?"

      How about specifically one of the things Trudeau talked about, Cuba's medical system. They have an amazing medical system that's ranked in the same ball park as the US but yet they spend a tiny fraction of what we spend ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). What we could do with that with first world funding would be amazing.

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    388. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You need a better measuring stick, the democrats are right of center by first world standards.

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    389. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Most successful presidential candidates tack to the left or right during their primaries which is when Hilary was advocating more left wing principles. She was being outdone by Bernie on that front so she moved farther left which again, is a standard tactic of successful nominees. I think outside of her presidential run, in a reasonably modern context, she has generally shown herself to be fairly moderate.

      Hilary went left precisely because Bernie was so successful with his more left wing message and was taking votes from her in large quantities.

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    390. Re: Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      And wait a god damn second. I let you distract me from what we were actually talking about (and I hate it when people change the topic when it gets difficult for them)

      What fucking part of what Trudeau said about Castro was wrong? Answer my damn question. I said what Trudeau said was true, you said that was disgusting, and I asked you what about the truth was disgusting? Your links are literally a meaningless reply to what I said.

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    391. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      LOLROTFL!!!!!!:)))))))DDDD))))))!!!!!.

      What are you a child or a simpleton? "LOL"? You were absolutely not "laughing out loud " as you wrote that and if you were express it with words.

      As for the issue at hand, just because I think idiots shouldnt be president doesnt mean I have some sort of magic fool-proof test for determining idiots.

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    392. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      I disagree.

      You disagree with the fact that I simply don't know if she holds any coherent political beliefs at all.?

      Hilary went left precisely because Bernie was so successful with his more left wing message and was taking votes from her in large quantities.

      Which would mean... that she was lying about her political positions in order to get votes.

    393. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      You need a better measuring stick, the democrats are right of center by first world standards.

      Nope, sorry, not true. Democrats resemble European parties (both conservatives and liberals) on the authoritarian-liberty dimension (Democrats are statists and authoritarian); but along the left-right dimension (inequality, social justice, race, spending, taxes, gay rights, abortion), they are pretty far to the left.

    394. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      How about specifically one of the things Trudeau talked about, Cuba's medical system. They have an amazing medical system that's ranked in the same ball park as the US but yet they spend a tiny fraction of what we spend ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] ). What we could do with that with first world funding would be amazing.

      Let's assume that were true. Look at the health expenditure per capita graph. Notice how US per capita public spending is the same as, or higher than, all other OECD countries except Norway? What that means is that the US government has the money to institute, not just a Cuban-style, but a Canadian/UK/...-style single payer system any day they want to, simply by reforming Medicare/Medicaid and extending it to everybody.

      The problem with US public health care is exceptionally poor management and a powerful medical lobby, both of which make it extremely inefficient. Extending the broken US single-payer system to the entire nation would cause medical costs to skyrocket and services to get much worse. Sander's plan he simply says "let's raise taxes on the rich"; in fact, there is nothing in his plan that addresses the core of the problem, namely the gross inefficiencies in Medicare relative to other single payer systems. All Sanders' plan is is a big handout to pharmaceutical companies and medical providers.

      It's questionable whether Cuba really is as good as official statistics say, and, in any case, Cuba spends about as much per capita as South Korea now, so it's not all that cheap anymore. But even if it were true, it is wrong to attribute longer life expectancy or lower child mortality to a better medical system: authoritarian governments can do a lot to extend life expectancy, like telling people what to eat, what hobbies to engage in, aborting at-risk fetuses, mandating exercise, etc. Heck, Cuba dealt with the AIDS crisis first by locking up HIV-positive patients, then by forcing them into annual eight-week re-education camps. So, yeah, authoritarian shitholes can make people healthy and live longer, and because they need workers, they do just that; believe me, based on first-hand experience with real socialism: you don't want to live like that. That's also what makes Trudeau's comment so offensive to people who actually know real socialism.

    395. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      I was laughing and it was at you. I don't have to express it in any way other way. That is how I have always expressed it online. Why would I change it for you when you make me laugh?

    396. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      It's not that I dont like it, it's that it projects childishness. Lots of people, including myself, dont take people who use internet accronyms seriously.

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    397. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      My point (and the point of the past few posts of our conversation) was that her doing that shouldnt cause confusion in regards to her actual political beliefs because it's commonly done. Do try to keep up

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    398. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Inequality: Nope, the social programs Dems advocate for arent as significant as the programs actually in place in much of Western Europe. The tax rates Dems propose arent as redistributive either

      Social Justice: Close but I think the laws in place against hate speach and the like (not a fan but they're there) push Europe ahead in this catagory. There's been little to no talk of hate speach laws in the US.

      Race: Mixed bag here. Germany more so than us, France less and everywhere else is inbetween those two by my understanding.

      Spending: Obviously Europe is more to the left then us with spending. Their socialised medicine alone puts them beyond us. The dems Obamacare doesnt even come close.

      Taxes: Very wrong again, the tax rates in most of Western Europe are far more progressive and mainstream Dems dont advocate for much higher because it would be political suicide.

      Gay marriage: you got one. The US allowing gay marriage pretty much puts us more to the Left on this issue and the Dems solidly back this.

      Abortion: I actually dont know enough about European abortion policy in general to comment on this. I do know it's generally legal in Europe so shouldnt be too dramatic though.

      So in summary, I think you're wrong as our Democrats are to the right on most of the points you list, particularly the most significant ones.

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    399. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Inequality: Nope, the social programs Dems advocate for arent as significant as the programs actually in place in much of Western Europe.

      US government social spending in the US is above OECD average and higher than, say, the UK.

      http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/s...

      The tax rates Dems propose arent as redistributive either

      In fact, the US has the highest tax progressivity among OECD nations.

      https://www.mercatus.org/publi...

      That's on top of a large, regressive VAT tax in Europe.

      Spending: Obviously Europe is more to the left then us with spending.

      In fact, European budgets are nearly balanced and debts capped as a requirement of EU membership.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Unlike the US, European countries cut social expenditures in order to meet their budget objectives.

      Close but I think the laws in place against hate speach and the like (not a fan but they're there) push Europe ahead in this catagory.

      Restrictions on free speech are a favorite of both the left and the right; in Europe, they largely came out of right-wing restrictions against criticizing church and state, and the restrictions aren't intended to help socially weak groups, but instead avoid conflict.

      Their socialised medicine alone puts them beyond us. The dems Obamacare doesnt even come close.

      Socialized medicine in Europe originated with right-wing governments, not left-wing governments, as a way to control workers. Many European nations have two-tiered systems, in which the bottom 90% are stuck with an inconvenient public system, and the top 10% enjoy a high quality private system. In addition, people have to pay for their coverage, either explicitly (Germany, Switzerland, etc.) or implicitly (other countries).

      Note also that the US government already spends more per capita on healthcare than almost all other OECD governments (the problem is that the US government is spending the money so poorly):

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So, I don't understand in what way you think that Europe's health care systems (and they are all different) are more "left wing" than the US healthcare system.

      So in summary, I think you're wrong as our Democrats are to the right on most of the points you list, particularly the most significant ones.

      I could go on with the other points... but I think I made my point.

      I think the source of your confusion and the confusion of many other Americans is that you view the political spectrum as one-dimensional. In fact, there is a left-right axis and an authoritarian-libertarian axis. European parties are overwhelmingly authoritarian and differ along the left-right axis. US parties are first of all much more heterogeneous than European parties, but to the degree that they differ, they differ along the authoritarian-libertarian axis, with Democrats leaning strongly towards authoritarianism. That is what makes US Democrats similar to Europeans. But European authoritarianism is frequently Christian conservative, not socialist.

    400. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      My point (and the point of the past few posts of our conversation) was that her doing that shouldnt cause confusion in regards to her actual political beliefs because it's commonly done.

      And where did she actually demonstrate that she has "actual political beliefs"? As far as I can tell, she has no "actual political beliefs" at all, all she has is an insatiable desire for power for its own sake.

      In fact, Hillary told us herself that she will say whatever people want to hear, on several occasions: (1) in her explanation on her change of position on gay marriage, (2) in her/your explanation that she just told Sanders voters what they wanted to hear, and (3) in her "public/private position" statement to Wall St, (4) in her meeting with Warren. Her opportunism and lack of character was also evident in how she dealt with her husband's repeated infidelity.

    401. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Honestly, you are the first that I have met that has expressed this. I could understand an excessive amount of usage but... one "lol" doesn't count as excessive (at least for me). It is how I use the internet since I first went online. It's just a way of chatting like an accent IRL.

      I guess, we could chalk it up to "damn kids and their rock n roll" or "get off my lawn" as I am sure I am probably younger than you. Well good sir, I am firmly off your lawn. ^_^

    402. Re:Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      It's true I'm most likely older then you just based off slashdot ID numbers. On the other hand, internet acronyms were just getting off the ground when I was first getting online and I certainly used them much like I used all kinds of slang in my spoken speech back then. Then as I became adult, I adopted the speech patterns of adults and dropped them.

      And to be truly honest, like most of the people who write "lol" in an internet post, I don't believe you honestly laughed out loud in any meaningful manner.

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    403. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      To each their own.

    404. Re: Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You missed something in your first link.

      "Total expenditure includes both public and private expenditures."

      The US does indeed spend more (which I knew already) but it most certainly is not all government money by a long shot

      As for your politifact link, mortality rates and quality of health care are not the same thing. Yes, mortality rates are a good indicator of the quality of a healthcare system but there's more to healthcare than the two stats in that piece. Furthermore, even if Cuba's mortality rates are just similiar to the US that's still amazing for a third world nation considering the life styles many third worlders live

      Also, here's countries ranked by their medical systems in a number of different catagories by the WHO

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

      You can see the strong performance of other first world countries with their socialized systems. You can also see how closely the WHO ranks Cuba's system to our own. Pretty amazing compared to similiar third world nations.

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    405. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      You missed something in your first link. "Total expenditure includes both public and private expenditures." The US does indeed spend more (which I knew already) but it most certainly is not all government money by a long shot

      You need to look at the graph, in particular the blue bars, which compare public and compulsory expenses. US per capita public healthcare spending is the same or greater than that of almost all other countries, even countries that cover all of their citizens with a public single payer system.

      Therefore, the problem with the US isn't in the pink portion of the graph (the private spending), the problem in the US is that Medicare/Medicaid take in enough taxes to cover all Americans European-style, but only manage to cover less than 40% of Americans. That problem doesn't get fixed by forcing even more people to switch to our broken public system, that problem needs to get fixed by fixing Medicare/Medicaid.

      As for your politifact link, mortality rates and quality of health care are not the same thing.

      I completely agree. That's why I pointed to the Politifact page. But life expectancy and child expectancy are the statistics usually cited when extolling the virtues of Cuba's health care system.

      Also, here's countries ranked by their medical systems in a number of different catagories by the WHO

      Look at some of the criteria used in that report. For example, In sum, the way health care is financed is perfectly fair if the ratio of total health contribution to total non-food spending is identical for all households, independently of their income, their health status or their use of the health system. This indicator expresses the trenchant view of Aneurin Bevan, that “The essence of a satisfactory health service is that the rich and the poor are treated alike, that poverty is not a disability, and wealth is not advantaged.” That is not a measure related to the quality of healthcare at all, it's something that measures conformance to socialist ideology. It's not surprising that Cuba scores highly on such measures while the US scores poorly, but that is irrelevant to the quality of the healthcare system.

      And from experiencing socialist healthcare first hand, I can also guarantee you that people like "Dr Gro Harlem Brundtland" will not be "treated alike"; people like her get special, high quality treatment, just like the political elites in Cuba. I think she is an utterly deplorable person.

      Anyway, leaving the ideological b.s. of the WHO aside, by what objective criteria do you think Cuba's health care system is doing a good job? It is as expensive as South Korea's. Ask yourself: would you rather be treated in Cuba or in South Korea?

    406. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "half the electorate" isn't irrelevant. "winning the popular vote" is irrelevant.

      Winning the popular vote is irrelevant as the legitimacy of the outcome of the Presidential election. OTOH it's clearly relevant as to claims of sheer popularity, such as "most Americans preferred Trump"; "hardly anyone voted for Clinton"; "the electorate disagrees with you" etc.

      Sure, I could have made it more accurate by saying "about" but I didn't think any point would be made by such pedantics.

      Actually 'nearly' or 'almost' would be more apposite than 'about.' Given you are opting for a consensus view of reality as to the objective fact of Mrs Clinton's competence, your point is moot anyway since "more than half the electorate" agreed with him.

    407. Re:Good on France by Asteconn · · Score: 1

      In that case I stand corrected

    408. Re:Good on France by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the grumpy tone. Guess I can be a bit of a dick. :-/

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  2. Bad day to be Putin by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Congratulations to the French people.

    1. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one am ready to believe everything bad of Putin, but I don't think this was him.

      Compare and contrast with last year's interference in the US election. Most importantly: why did the leaks happen only at the very last minute? And the very first thing we heard about them, before any content even appeared, was pinning them on the Russians? So there were precisely zero news cycles dominated by "emails reveal..." scandals, as opposed to "Russian hackers..." scandals.

      If that was Putin's people, then they have fallen far in terms of competence. I think it was more likely a false flag operation by someone else. Possibly Macron's own campaign.

    2. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The end of French culture as we know it. Waiting for the Muzzies to take over now.

    3. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I for one am ready to believe everything bad of Putin, but I don't think this was him.

      Compare and contrast with last year's interference in the US election. Most importantly: why did the leaks happen only at the very last minute?

      I compared, I contrasted, and I saw exactly the same people at work, using exactly the same tactics. The release was at the last minute because that is when it is most effective, with the least time to counter it. They were incrementally improved the tactics that played out so effectively in the American election hijack.

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    4. Re:Bad day to be Putin by dave420 · · Score: 1

      ChrisQ is that you?

    5. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      ^^^^ This.

    6. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason to release it last minute is because is doesn't contain anything bad. So instead they use it to spread rumors and using the law against campaigning the last day to paint it as establishment censorship. It didn't work, but it wasn't a stupid plan.

    7. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Reziac · · Score: 1

      A reporter stops a French kid on the street and asks him,

      "Hey, kid! Now that Macron is our President, what do you want to be when you grow up now that our country is saved?"

      The kid replies, "A foreigner."

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    8. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Witty.

  3. Le Pen is mightier than,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh wait. Never mind.

  4. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the U.S., he actually bet against the female candidate.

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  5. Because open borders have worked so well for them. by DaRyuujin · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm amazed with all the issues the french people are facing due to their open borders that people were willing to just keep the status quo going.

  6. Re:Bye bye France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off. Don't you have a $60 MAGA hat to buy today?

  7. Re: Bye bye France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you fling stone at others, make sure your terrorist-in-chief is in his own white glass house.

  8. Re: Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The expat votes aren't even counted if the result from residents is decisive enough.

  9. Re:Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, i'm pretty sure those account for the 65-35 lead Macron has right now.

  10. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trolling aside, to be fair here it's only ever sexism when someone's on the left. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would have happened if Palin were a Democrat and got the ire she received?

  11. Glad to see a little sanity by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Though to be fair Macron was orders of magnitude better than Hillary. Maybe not as a public servant but at least at campaigning. Hopefullyâ post Trump the rest of the world will take the far right and the working class problems they play to seriously.

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    1. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This had to be said: how Macron will perform as a president is a giant question mark. This is the first public office the guy will hold.

      What makes his win refreshing is that the alternative was Marine fucking Le Pen. In that sense this campaign was reminiscent to the Clinton-Trump election, i.e., a decision between a mediocre candidate and an unfathomable one. Guess the French were wiser this time around.

    2. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is important to placate the plebs lest they get a bit "unresty" whilst us right minded people turn the world into one homogeneous consumer base to consume our annual iteration of flashy tat.

    3. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by dcollins · · Score: 1, Informative

      Based on what? He's never held public office and my very-left French partner (who campaigned hard for Hillary) has been calling him "nothing but a wet noodle".

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    4. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if a Clinton and Trump supporters both don't like macron... that can only be good :P

    5. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Cochonou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The main difference between the elections in France and the elections in the US, is that there was a choice between 11 candidates on the first turn, four of which have had a score above 19% .

    6. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      That is very true. Then again the US electoral system is *ahem* interesting and quite unlike any other country in the world. It is quite normal to have close first turns in Europe.

    7. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if a Clinton and Trump supporters both don't like macron... that can only be good :P

      Golf clap, sir or madam. Well said.

    8. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Exactly right. Many Bremainers and Clintonies were/are quite arrogant whereas this guy seems like a good guy. On top of it he looks very French. Stated policy goals play a part but we mostly vote for the person we like as another human being.

    9. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by PPH · · Score: 1

      Well, at least no skeletons in Macron's closet. You can hack e-mail and leak the contents to the public all you want. But if there isn't anything illegal/unethical/embarrassing in them, it's not going to affect the election very much.

      If there was a hack but no leak, I'd worry more. Because that's when the adversary is likely to have found something usable as leverage.

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    10. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Kjella · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Though to be fair Macron was orders of magnitude better than Hillary. Maybe not as a public servant but at least at campaigning. Hopefullyà post Trump the rest of the world will take the far right and the working class problems they play to seriously.

      In 2002 dad Le Pen got 18% of the vote, now daughter Le Pen got 35% of the vote. France has been in a continuous state of emergency since November 2015. There's been both targeted attacks (Charlie Hebdo) and untargeted attacks (Paris, Nice). And the rest of the establishment is so busy trying to prove they're not islamophobes they'll continue to refuse to acknowledge there's a problem. Here in Norway it's election in September and it looks like we'll vote in a more pro-immigration government than today, despite the fact that third world immigration is an economic disaster, integration is not working and we're inviting back in medieval attitudes to separation of church and state, democracy, freedom of speech, equality of the sexes, LBGT rights and so on.

      The saddest thing is that we're backing out of almost every conflict out of religious tolerance. We'd never allow people to wear ski masks to schools and banks and whatnot, but if you want to wear a Niqab that's okay in the name of religious tolerance. We've become afraid of christmas, pork, alcohol and everything that might possibly offend some uptight Muslim to a degree we'd never considering for an abstinent vegan of any other religious conviction. We constantly have apologists that say it's better for girls to have separate swimming lessons in burkinis than to not have them show up for swimming lessons at all. And Trump didn't help, he's got a microscopic problem compared to Europe and turned a molehill into a mountain. That only silenced those who should be protesting.

      It's very telling that most of the world's Islamic nations don't want the refugees, they're being routed into Europe and we let them come by the millions. There's never been a problem with Jews, Buddhists, Hindus or any other foreign religion or other denominations of Christianity like Catholics, Baptists, Orthodox it's always the same religion that doesn't integrate. They don't get along with Christians in Europe, they don't get along with Hindus in India, not anywhere with anyone. Saudi Arabia is at the center of it all and the most backwards wealthy country in the world where women can't even drive a car, why do we want more of that religion? I really, really don't understand why we're such a glutton for punishment.

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    11. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This had to be said: how Macron will perform as a president is a giant question mark.

      There's no question. He will send France further down the road of neoliberal dystopia, dyfunctional inequality, and social unrest.
      Without ideological reform, this election only delays the inevitable.

    12. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Hillary would have been fine. Both her and Macron are now what we describe as proudly Neoliberal - That is they support evidence based economic policy tempered with progressive policy where the market does not not produce a fair or desirable outcome.

      You know neoliberal ideals are on to something when they catch shit from far-left Berniebro socialists and far-right Trumpette fascists.

      Globalist? Free trade? Yeah. Fuck yeah. Fucking proudly motherfucker. Nothing has done more to bring more people out of poverty than global free trade.

    13. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that interesting, it's basically just like the British one.

      And as if by coincidence, the UK might be the only country in the western world which might be closer to be an outright fascist police state than the US. Go figure.

    14. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even if what you say is true, what of it? The French voted in a way to express their desire to remain in the EU. It's that simple.

      You seem, some electorates are capable of looking beyond the political leader as an individual, and at the actual ideal itself, and a majority of French voters made it clear they had absolutely no desire to turn their country over to a far right nationalist who wanted to pull France out of the EU (even if, as it became clear she was losing, Le Pen tried to fabricate a European-friendly face).

      The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis. In a way, it's irrelevant whether Macron has any of your supposedly required experience for leading (I mean, he was only a former banker and economic minister, so what does he know, eh?), the fact is that he represents moderation and pro-European sentiment.

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    15. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Elections for the US congress and senate are reminiscent of the UK electoral system, and most systems that descend from it (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.). The US presidential election system is pretty uniquely American.

    16. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. Instant runoff voting systems have mathematically been proven to yield better ("fairer") results in elections. The plurality wins system the U.S. uses (and especially the plurality by state + electoral college method) is one of the worst, and is what results in the system gravitating towards two parties who represent the extremes, rather than the mean.

    17. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The IRA were about 100% catholic, so yes we have had problems with Catholics in the UK. But somehow we didn't identify it as a problem with Catholics but with the IRA.

    18. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Zumbs · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is the first public office the guy will hold.

      According to wikipedia, he was Minister of the Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in France 26 August 2014 – 30 August 2016. I think that counts as a public office?

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    19. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by dcollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LOL "There's never been a problem with Jews".

      No, Europe has never had a problem with Jews. No one's ever accused them of being separatist, not sufficiently Christian, "doesn't integrate". No one's every been able to whip up a crowd into heinous hateful action against the Jews.

      This right-wing agitprop is just racism du jour. Discouragingly, apparently it will never end. A boot stomping a human face forever.

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    20. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis"

      It will be difficult to convince Louis Aliot (Jewish grandfather https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Aliot) and David Rachline (Jewish Ukrainian grandparents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rachline), both top-level leaders of the Front National.

    21. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were dozens of candidates in the "first turn" of the US election. 17 people entered the Republican primary.

      In France, the difference is that the runoff is not guaranteed to be between any two pre-selected parties. That's - not an unmixed blessing.

      Think about this: imagine if, instead of Macron, Marine Le Pen had been up against an Islamist candidate.

      Something similar happened in 2002, when the corrupt and hugely unpopular incumbent president Chirac squared up in the second round against Marine's much, much nastier father, Jean-Marie Le Pen. Everyone left of, basically, Mussolini had no choice but to hold their nose and vote for Chirac. And they didn't like it one little bit. (In that respect it was pretty much like USA 2016.)

    22. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      FYI, by far the largest numbers of Syrian refugees are in Islamic countries. The top three destinations are Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan. Germany is #4, then it's Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Kuwait, and Egypt.

      So to say "they're being routed to Europe" is kinda - well, not true.

    23. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Second_Derivative · · Score: 1

      >That is they support evidence based economic policy tempered with progressive policy where the market does not not produce a fair or desirable outcome.

      This is a state of affairs I would be willing to support. To describe modern day neoliberalism in these terms is to fall somewhere, depending on how charitable I am feeling, between propaganda and delusion.

      "Evidence based economic policy" is complete bullshit. The consensus among academic economists on modern day economic policy is damning, but we see a tiny minority of Austrian school economists and members of the Chicago School of Economics being rolled out to clothe a slate of incredibly socially destructive policies in a costume of scientific respectability, because these individuals dogmatically promote policies that the wealthy elite want to see implemented, and damn the facts if they do not fit.

      Progressive policy in the modern day is nonexistent, it has been burned to the ground. Democrat or Republican, the government is in the business of lowering taxes on the rich while slashing social services for the poor. "It is a basic tenet of conservatism that the poor will only work harder if they are given less money and the rich will only work harder if they are given more money". Racism and fear of the other has been deployed to devastating effect as a cover to dismantle the welfare state and the postwar social mechanisms that were intended to provide equal opportunities to citizens from all backgrounds.

      Neoliberalism has become a dirty word because it is morally and scientifically bankrupt. It decries the basic foundations of an equitable society that had been in place for decades as far-left extremism while adopting a radically economically right-wing fetishization of market forces as a cure for all social ills. It is "intensely relaxed" about the concentration of wealth among the wealthy while living standards and economic security are eroded. It turns a blind eye to lawbreaking by corporations and wealthy individuals while intruding into private individuals' communications, use of recreational substances, and reproductive rights, undermining democracy and the rule of law in the process. And of course there's all the death and destruction wrought by endless intervention and warmongering in the middle east. I could go on...

    24. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Jews have been the scapegoats for a whole lot of things, there's plenty of hate to go around. There's not much a black man can do to make friends with a Ku Klux Klan member. But when have they ever made special demands for their religious minority? When have they demanded the rest of society bend to their way of life? When have they ever acted with disdain towards the society they live in? When have they committed atrocities against people who believe differently or changed religion?

      They've been a despised pariah caste, but it's other people that have had a problem with the Jews, not the Jews that have had a problem with everybody else. In fact, they seem to be the world religion that cares the least about what non-Jews believe or do and make very little if any effort to convert others to Judaism. Try eating pork together with Jews and Muslims, it's neither kosher nor halal but I'll give you 100:1 odds that if anyone complains it's a Muslim. P.S. A lot of the arab world is still where Europe was before Hitler.

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    25. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your scoffing is misdirected. OP is entirely correct. There never has been a problem with the Jews as such. No Jews has ever afaik committed a suicide bombings or actually committed any deeds of politically motivated violence (in Europe) except for the assassination of Ernst vom Rath.

      That, however, doesn't mean that they haven't been made out to be a problem... which totally wasn't that the OP was talking about.

    26. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucking retard

    27. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis.

      I've seen this accusation a few times, but it seems weak to me. Neo-nazis in France aren't going around killing Jews. Islamic extremists are. And the National Front are the party most solidly opposed to them.

      Remember that the media were desperately labelling Trump as anti-semitic, even when his daughter and son-in-law are Jewish.

    28. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank god the people who wrote the constitution realized you could import people into a given corrupt state and thus corrupt the voting system. So to delay the actions of corrupt voters instituted an electoral college, the importation and amnesty of foreign actors in bad faith would first have to import those people and corrupt multiple states to pass motion and compromise said electoral system by which time, the corruption of the system has manisfested itself as intent, and hopefully the people would see what was happening and act against it to right the system. Failing that, the now established misbehaving Federal Government is at the very least limited in the actions it can take against the individual States, so that there is yet another chance to right the system through a brokerage process between agreeable states. Failing that, the States can take independent action and cede from the Federal Union, forming an alliance of similarly grievanced States, and if the Federal Union is deemed to have done wrong by the will of the people, *cough* otherwise known as the most powerful union of states ... I mean you can see that at the final step right around 'civil war' Arbitration breaks down, even the most noble and most enlightened of actions can be corrupted. Hopefully our system which has been honed over thousands of years of Human history is good enough to weather this, but at this point, where you can clearly see both politcal parties appealing to the more base instincts of human nature, accelerated by the concentration of humanity's wealth(power) into the hands of the few (as they have slowly corrupted the system and setup frameworks of: complex laws and governance, complex mercantile agreements, complex communications networks, complex systems of logistics, complex systems of trade, isolated and secret knowledge whereby only those with wealth and power can wield, as we have slowly been robbed of our liberties, cajoled and frightened we cede power ever more to those we think can protect us. The sad part is the way we teach politics(or most subjects that appeal to truth yet do not conform to logic), in terms of Liberals or Conservatives, Communist or Democracy, all these seek to confine the thoughts of free man into premade notions of the previous ruling class such as to promote the creation of devoted acolytes (why we even have words such as acolytes should be proof enough that mankind has suffered through such assaults on its nature and persevered). And so time passes.... i suppose until the next 'enlightenment', really only called that because of the murderous nature of the sycophants. But i suppose as any creature, we must learn from our own actions, through violent reproach. But I should hope not. I hope that we have reached a level of civility and communication (constant corruption of established 'good' values, another topic you could write for ages about) so that people may be good to each other. But i mean, the Greeks though much the same, as did the Romans, or so they tell us. But i should hope we are not all as naive. Time a bust up another line of yays bitches. So fuck yall. I love yall. peace.

    29. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will be difficult to convince Louis Aliot (Jewish grandfather https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Aliot) and David Rachline (Jewish Ukrainian grandparents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rachline), both top-level leaders of the Front National.

      Ah, the Amarosa and Ben Carson of the National Front!

      Meanwhile, the most succesful pair of French nazi hunters are pretty convinced:
      Serge and Beate Klarsfeld hunted Nazis. Now they fight Marine Le Pen.

    30. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by infernow · · Score: 1

      This is the first public office the guy will hold.

      According to wikipedia, he was Minister of the Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in France 26 August 2014 – 30 August 2016. I think that counts as a public office?

      I think the GP means that this will be the first elected office Macron has held. Ministers are appointed.

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    31. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not an elected position. Throughout the campaign the alt-right fake news sources used the confusion about that to criticize him both as being inexperienced because he has never been in government and also as ineffectual because he wasn't able to make any changes when he was in government. As is now usual they used facebook analytics to feed people whichever version of the truth they would most likely believe.

    32. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Not by election though but yes, i stand corrected.

    33. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      In a Hillary Macron vote, Hillary should and would win.

      Beware now. I said the exact same about Clinton-Trump, and here we are.

    34. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So to say "they're being routed to Europe" is kinda - well, not true.

      That was a diplomatic way to put it.

      A more straightforward look at it is that it is a blatant lie and propaganda and Kjella is swallowing it whole.

    35. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      He is right about modern Judaism being a non-proselytizing religion, because - according to Judaism - as long as people follow the seven Noah laws, they are fine. Moreover, people who actually want to convert are actively discouraged to do so by the rabbis.

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    36. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Now, proper declarations first, I'm an American but I do enjoying vacationing in Europe and have so for some time. For starters, pork and alcohol are not in decline in Europe, I love both and both a very available. Second; you're scaremongering over swim classes? Oh, what a sacred institution to offend!

      Personally I think it's quite noble that Europe is taking in a ton of refugees from a region experiencing a lot of turmoil. Here in America we used to do that for Europe (oh great, we have the mafia now!) but we've recently lost the taste for helping those who need help internationally and instead descended into the xenophobic fear that one out every 10,000 Muslim immigrant might commit a crime.

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    37. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're obviously ignorant of FN's history and its founding fathers, Jean-Marie Le Pen has publicly made antisemitic statements more than once, and he's only the tip of the iceberg. The FN's racism and antisemitism is well-documented, as is their apologizing of the Vichy regime who willingly rounded up jews on behalf of Adolf Hitler.

    38. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by bazorg · · Score: 1

      In the UK, the Daily Mail didn't even mention Macron's victory in the front page today, and N Farage is one of several Leave campaigners to say that France is doomed, pretty much like earlier ACs did in this site.

      Macron seems to be an annoyance to a lot of deplorables.

    39. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Maritz · · Score: 1

      turn the world into one homogeneous consumer base to consume our annual iteration of flashy tat.

      It's weird how the xenophobes apparently want a world full of diversity. They just want to be the best kind of human. Aw, diddums.

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    40. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Jews have been the scapegoats for a whole lot of things, there's plenty of hate to go around. There's not much a black man can do to make friends with a Ku Klux Klan member. But when have they ever made special demands for their religious minority? When have they demanded the rest of society bend to their way of life? When have they ever acted with disdain towards the society they live in? When have they committed atrocities against people who believe differently or changed religion?

      They've been a despised pariah caste, but it's other people that have had a problem with the Jews, not the Jews that have had a problem with everybody else. In fact, they seem to be the world religion that cares the least about what non-Jews believe or do and make very little if any effort to convert others to Judaism. Try eating pork together with Jews and Muslims, it's neither kosher nor halal but I'll give you 100:1 odds that if anyone complains it's a Muslim. P.S. A lot of the arab world is still where Europe was before Hitler.

      All religions demand special treatment. What you're failing to do is treat them as all equally worthless, which is precisely what they are.

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    41. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Maritz · · Score: 1

      So to say "they're being routed to Europe" is kinda - well, not true.

      Oooh, I bet he'll stop saying that now. lol.

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    42. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Maritz · · Score: 0, Troll

      "I have black friends"

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    43. Re: Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton was less than mediocre. Benghazi and basement server were indications of a careless mentality that would have brought severe consequences for the nation.

    44. Re: Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you went for the pussygrabber instead?

    45. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But but but... some of my best friends are black!"

    46. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that the attitude in your comment - the same attitude that Hillary has in spades - is exactly the reason she lost the election, right?

      Incidentally, it's exactly the same attitude held by members of the Westboro Baptist Church: the attitude that "this" is absolutely the right thing to do, and if you think otherwise, "screw you."

    47. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Hopefullyâ post Trump the rest of the world will take the far right and the working class problems they play to seriously.

      If by working class problems, you mean "mah hatreds", then yes.

      Otherwise, things like:

      1) universal healthcare
      2) raising the minimum wage
      3) increasing support for unions
      4) increasing education funding
      5) decreasing military spending so that the deficit is reduced
      6) increasing environmental cleanup efforts
      7) infrastructure spending
      8) job training programs
      9) renewable energy investment (esp. w/ solar panels federal buildings to reduce taxes over the long term)

      All of these are entitlements and/or big government programs. Trump and his kind won't spend anywhere near the 15 trillion needed for them.

    48. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "most of the world's Islamic nations don't want the refugees"
      Look at the table on the right : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      anyway, stop reading fascist propaganda

    49. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by mjwx · · Score: 1

      "The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis"

      It will be difficult to convince Louis Aliot (Jewish grandfather https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/...) and David Rachline (Jewish Ukrainian grandparents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/...), both top-level leaders of the Front National.

      Some vague allusions to Jewish parents does not prove that Front National are not Neo-Nazis.

      If you bothered to look at FN's policies, you'll see that they are fascists with a racist agenda. OK, so they've swapped from Jews to Muslims, that does not make racism (or xenophobia) acceptable.

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    50. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you are from, but I'd advise you against trying to use "neoliberal" that way in Germany.
      "Neoliberal" pretty much means "liberals that have given up on civil liberties and are happy to reduce them as much as possible to keep themselves in power, and politics are primarily directed at well-off people and (to a smaller degree) companies".
      And that definition is not theoretical: that is the real-world proven direction that the neoliberals took, in the process ruining the mostly to partially positive connotations the word "liberal" used to have. It also successfully reduced the liberal party from 15% to below 5%.

    51. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two parties, yes, but not necessarily extremes. The US Democratic party isn't particularly left-wing. It does have a left wing, but the party itself is pretty center-right by worldwide standards. So, we have a near-right and a far-right. The former party only needs to be less right-wing than the latter, and it will get the votes of people who don't want the far right to be in control because there are no other options. Even if there were, that results in the left portion of the electorate being split, guaranteeing the right the win.

    52. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans trot out Ben Carson while openly legislating against non-whites. Do you understand that having one of your "enemy" in your ranks provides a facade of legitimacy when people predictably call you out on supporting openly bigoted legislation? Do you understand why having a token in your party is important so they can roll out with "But I'm , and I believe we should punish people for being !"?

  12. Editorializing in the title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because Slashdot no longer has standards.

    1. Re:Editorializing in the title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh?

    2. Re:Editorializing in the title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it fake news? Were there millions of fake votes? Is the media treating Le Pen unfairly?

    3. Re:Editorializing in the title by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Nobody knows what the fuck you're on about, and it's probably because you're stupid. Thanks anyway.

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  13. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the willfully ignorant Democrat.

  14. not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    French politics have long been sick, and the sluggish economy with little hope for young workers is a result.
    Sick how?
    In every election cycle where the French have a choice between change and stagnation, all the parties who pretend to be opponents in the lead-up band together and urge everybody to vote for which ever final candidate is desired by the rich globalist investors class. It never matters who the candidates are, the press and nearly all the parties band together to oppose change and oppose anybody opposed to globalism.
    The French people will now get several more years of stagnation terrorism, EU domination, burdens of EU bailouts for Greece, EU mandated open borders, etc and then they will get another chance at change.....which they will again stupidly reject because they are told to.

    1. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're posting AC, you can say "Jews". We know you want to.

      Yeah, just like Hillary, Warren, Sanders, and all those progressives want to say "Jews" whenever they talk about "the 1%". We're on to you.

    2. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all, he's talking about the big business. France has the third Jewish community in the world, very diverse people of very different backgrounds and opinions. A significant proportion of them vote for Marine Le Pen. Consider the explanations of the journalist Eric Zemmour, the advocate Gilles-William Goldnagel, or maybe the essayist Alain Finkelkraut.

    3. Re:not surprising by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      He really isn't. "Rich globalist investors" has been an anti-semitic shibboleth since the 1930s. And the FN is a traditional fascist party with roots in Vichy France.

      I note there's lots of you ACs out today. And lots of downmods on my anti-semitism call-out. Gee. This is my total lack of surprise.

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    4. Re:not surprising by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you ever stop to think that's because maybe, no matter how much you may wish to moan about everything, this is as good as it gets?

      I know, I know, you want to listen to the fascist who tells you she can solve all the worlds ills if we just blame it on those guys.

      Yeah, Europe tried that, didn't work well, turns out it was actually much worse than what everyone is sticking to instead. Rather than assume everyone is an ignorant drone and you're the only enlightened person on the planet, maybe you should consider that in fact there's a good reason that people vote for the status quo that's made them the 5th richest nation in the world despite having a fraction of the world's population and resources to achieve that success?

      Yes, I know, it's all terrible, everything's awful with the liberal West, it's terrible, sure, great, only it's just less terrible than all the alternatives. Even in the modern era you only have to look at Putin's Russia to see how awful the autocratic miserable hate filled blame gaming alternative is. I don't know about you but I'd much rather be at the bottom of the wealth ladder in somewhere like France, than at the bottom of the wealth ladder in Russia. That's why people rejected Le Pen, because no matter how bad things may appear to be in somewhere like France, no matter how much you may wish to whine about, no matter where on the wealth ladder you sit, you're still better off, and more free, than you would be under the alternative that was on offer.

    5. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry for that but you obviously have no idea about political life in France:
      Vichy government was an occupation one, and Petain was elected by an Assemblee Nationale of the Front Populaire (left wing, and also liberal bourgeoisie) in majority. Most "collaborators" were strong opponents of the right-wing movements such as "Action Francaise". The first people in the Resistance were btw from Action Francaise, or at least, strongly right-wings ("La Cagoule") which is one of the many origins - some of them left-wing - of the Front National

      "Rich globalist investors" are indeed, in this context, top-level capitalists - frequently from the US - who can afford to speculate on entire nations.A good example is, in the 1930s, "Henry Ford" who wrote - officially, with the complicity of the American establishment - this horrible book : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew. Also, the American big business helped Third Reich : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar .

      Have quick read about economic life in France now, for example how pension funds are buying French companies, sacking people etc... Then you will understand what "rich globalist investors" mean.

    6. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The French people will now get several more years of stagnation terrorism, EU domination, burdens of EU bailouts for Greece, EU mandated open borders, etc and then they will get another chance at change.....which they will again stupidly reject because they are told to.

      Sorry you probably meant :

        The French people will now get several more years of Peace, EU membership and collaboration, EU common market and Travelling without controls at borders.... etc and then they will get another chance to vote.....which they will again make the same wise choice instead of choosing dangerous populism.

    7. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. The system was devised so the vote would return de Gaulle to power each election.

    8. Re:not surprising by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Oh fuck off with your neo-Nazi apologia. For one example, the FN traces its ancestry back to Occident, formed by Pierre Sidos, who was convicted of Nazi collaboration in 1946.

      The FN is a direct descendant of the Nazi collaborators in Vichy.

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    9. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly is the problem with open borders within the EU?

    10. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post has been scored as a 3 and the parent post as 5.

      Clearly Slashdot is filled with malcontent whiny special snowflakes that won't hunker down and stop complaining about their first world problems and hopes for a third world dictatorship.

      The Dunning-Kruger continues to be in full effect, everyone. As for me, well, I'm get pissed when I see complete bullshit, and yet I agree with you. France is about as good as you can get with what they've got, collectively.

      The only things left to do are to get rid of semi trucks, replace them with rail systems, make voting mandatory, universal income, (they've already got universal university education and healthcare), throw 500 billion at solar+wind and automate the utter shit out of everything. The population will decline, and it becomes a resort country. Seems like a pretty sweet gig to me.

    11. Re:not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. France is one of the best countries in the world to live in. Yeah, it has problems, everyone does, but they're enviable problems for 90% of the world.

      "EU domination, burdens of EU bailouts" are part of being at the top. It's exactly like how New York and California pay to prop up the south in the USA despite the south continually voting to gnaw its own face off. But you fucking deal with it, because we're all stronger as a whole than as tiny bickering shitholes. If everyone leaves and the EU falls apart, we all become nothing again, pushed around and dominated by the US and Russia and China, but without having any input or bargaining power this time.

  15. Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? Why were those folks issued 2 ballots vs. 1 to the tune of, iirc, 1/2 million votes? THAT was my point - see subject.

    * Doesn't matter to me, & why? Last white men standing in Europe will be MY ancestors (Poles who drove back turk muslims ages ago when all other Europeans cowered & ran (except Lithuania & RUSSIANS).

    APK

    P.S.=> In any event, that stupidity WHICH DEMOCRATS/Hillary accused Mr. Trump of, they were caught doing - it makes me happy that where I live now, Proud U.S. Citizen 1st generation here, didn't happen HERE in the USA! apk

    1. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god, another "millions of illegal voters" nutjob...

    2. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, those random right-wing forums popping up on a Google search sure tell it like it is!

    4. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why'd you say expats (issued 2 ballots vs. 1 like they should've) votes aren't counted https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10581145&cid=54371975/ but are French expat godrik https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10581145&cid=54372103/ ? More "fake news"?? Yes.

    5. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awwww, poor little Trumplthinskin, im going to love watching you waffle your putrid delusional claptrap when the Orange baboon is fired in 2020.

    6. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    7. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not, you fucking retard. "Anonymous Coward" is not an username.

      But once again: not only the "2 ballots" story you posted comes from shoddy sources and is, at best, questionable, but trying to suggest this would have any kind of impact on such a landslide is moronic.

    8. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're the child of immigrants? And you're a Trump supporter? Fucking hell. lol.

      Oh by the way - HOSTS files are a fucking retarded way of doing security, and you're a completely insane neurotic freakshow.

    9. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you did liar https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10581145&cid=54371975/ we can read you know.

  16. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    So, the "sensible" thing to do would have been to put fucking neo-nazis in power ?

    Do you actually KNOW what the Front National is ? Where they come from ? What they advocate ?

    That's the problem with people who think that one form of extremism is an acceptable alternative to another form of extremism. They learn nothing from history. They're simply unintelligent, it's as simple as that. They're not evil, or hateful, or racist/sexist/whatever. They're just plain below average intelligence.

  17. Re:Bye bye France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a couple french military riffles for sale if you are interested. They are in really good condition. Never been shot and on dropped once.

    But hey, who needs riffles when you have flowers..

  18. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She literally could not name one newspaper or magazine she liked to read. She has no intellectual curiosity whatsoever.

  19. Re: Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by godrik · · Score: 2

    French citizen in North America voted on Saturday (local time). Our votes were counted yesterday.

  20. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by misexistentialist · · Score: 0

    It's already over, even if immigration completely stopped France would become an Islamic state, so it's a psychological defense mechanism to make a show of how tolerant they are. The President of Austria even suggested that the time is coming to force white women to wear headscarves to support Islam.

  21. Truck of Peace comin' your way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it flattens Macron supporters I won't pretend to care. Another shameful surrender.

    1. Re:Truck of Peace comin' your way! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Don't worry Ivan, you'll get another go in 5 years. You left the hack too late. Needs to be at least half a week or so before the vote. Good luck!

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  22. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like Trump. If Obama made 10% of the blissfully ignorant statements the Donald made during its first 100 days in office the Republicans would be sharpening pitchforks.

  23. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you are all for indoctrinated homo culture and economic damage?

  24. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    "Islamic state"? France?

    What in the name of the good fuck are you talking about?

  25. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by admin7087 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well, I hate to say so, but it just looks as if the French people are smarter than you.

  26. Re: Because open borders have worked so well for t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being a grown up sometimes means making the best choice among the choices you've got.

    It further means figuring out a way to get better choices next time around if you don't like what you've got.

    The problem with politics today isn't that the elites don't care ... it's that we've polarized ourselves so much that we can't debate based on what works and what doesn't. Its us vs. them, and anyone on the us side is ok no matter what crazy ass ideas they espouse.

    You want to talk about immigration? Sure, but let's talk about immigrants as they actually are and the impacts they actually have, and not cherry pick every anecdote to fit our preconceived notions.

  27. Wow by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lots of angry russia bots posting here. I guess some are getting sent to siberia for their failure.

    1. Re:Wow by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      and lots of angry Russians with mod points too by the looks of it.

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    2. Re:Wow by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Lots of angry russia bots posting here. I guess some are getting sent to siberia for their failure.

      Mod up.

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    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming everyone speaking against EU to be a Russian bot is simply wrong. Plenty of us European citizens feel that while the original European free trade zone was a great idea, what we actually got sometimes feels like a combination of communism and the Third Reich, two things we originally fought against.

    4. Re:Wow by butzwonker · · Score: 2

      Slashdot has been 'cracked' by Russian trolls around the beginning of last year, but somehow they seem to have lost foothold recently. They mostly post as AC's nowadays. Maybe there were some changes to the moderation system behind the scenes to weed them out.

    5. Re:Wow by argStyopa · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You DO understand that sometimes people might simply disagree with your personal political preferences, and that doesn't automatically make them Russian bots, right?

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    6. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      serviscope_minor, I've spent many mod points to mod you up, in several topic (such as, EM Drive).
      But, if I disagree with you this case, then I am automatically a Russian?
      Also, Ryanrule, such a troll in recent topics, with rude comments on everyone his disagree! (see his history) You just agree with him because he is "your side"?

    7. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry for ran out mod points!
      Look at his history, full of flamebait comments, some even modded up!

    8. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, those Russian hackers are so skilled and evil, not only did they "hijack" the election, they've hacked into everyone's brains, and anyone who doesn't completely agree with mainstream leftist politics is being mind-controlled by the Russian hackers. Very sad. Also they're hacking into breakfast cereal and planting pro-Trump messages in your Froot Loops. Also they eat babies. And they hacked into the traffic light grid so Putin can make Americans wait longer in traffic thereby slowing our economy and making us angry and miserable. Curse you Russian hackers!!1!. And they're hacking ur WiFis to beam pro-Putin mind-control waves straight into your head. True story.

    9. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt it. Now the US elections are over they've become quieter as there are fewer articles to influence, but they're certainly still present.

  28. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by mi · · Score: 0, Troll

    In the U.S., he actually bet against the female candidate.

    Not at all! Once again, Illiberals fail to recognize their own. To wit, Hilllary Clinton:

    Of course, Putin would've loved for her to retain — and elevate — her stature...

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  29. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many States do we have in the Union, again?

  30. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by riskkeyesq · · Score: 1, Troll

    Congratulations! The French education system scores another win.

    1. Re:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by ooloorie · · Score: 0, Troll

      Congratulations! The French education system scores another win.

      Propaganda and indoctrination indeed work! Teach those kids to grow up to be little socialists and fascists!

    2. Re:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 0

      Le Pen is the fucking fascist.

    3. Re:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes you need a little fascism to properly remove the Saracens.

    4. Re:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They learn to be fascist at the madrasa, not the government school.

    5. Re:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Le Pen is the fucking fascist.

      The difference between socialism and fascism is like the difference between dying from bubonic plague and dying from smallpox.

    6. Re: Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not knowing the difference between socialism and fascism is like being unable to drink water because you can drown in it.

    7. Re:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sometimes you need a little fascism to properly remove the Saracens."

      What a curious way of phrasing this. Certain Tribes of the Middle East and North Africa were known as "Saracens" by Greeks and Romans, or by variations on that name, a few centuries before the rise of Islam. It was quite possible to be both a Saracen and a Christian, as "Saracens" were those who claimed some Cultural and Religious identification with "Sarah", a wife of Abraham.
      This was distinct from the Ishmaelites, who claimed identification with Ishmael, the son of Abraham's other wife Hagar. Ishmaelites could also be Christians.
      Your knowledge of this subject just underscores how little you know about "a little Fascism".
      You are an unmensch.

    8. Re:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully the ignorance displayed in the above comment is rapidly declining. Socialism is more accepted by the youth of America today than capitalism is, and it's about time!

  31. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kebabs are pretty tasty. Lots of people like Kebabs. You would also if you tasted one, but its hard to taste food when your head is up your ass.

    You can whine all you want about SJWs or political correctness, but there is nothing sensible about fascism. There is nothing sensible about ISIS either. Not all muslims are extremists and not all extremists are muslim. Those are very simple truths that you choose to refute.

    One extremist begets another. And so on. At least the French are more aware of this than Americans.

    Egalité, fraternité, liberté. Vive la France!

  32. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already had a collective shitfit when Obama noted his victory margin, yet Trump's blatantly false claims about a landslide election and demanding obedience to his whims merit not even a tepid criticism.

  33. Re: Because open borders have worked so well for t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, europeans will rather die than have another (white) Hitler.

  34. about fake news... by paai · · Score: 0

    So the 'leaked emails' are from Macron. Or actually from Putin. Or from american far-right idiots. Or from canadese dito's. Or from the icelandic secret service, fucking up everybody just for the fun of it (my favorite).

    But to know right from wrong I don't need Macrons personal views, or those of Trump, or Putin or whoever finds himself in the eye of a personal media shitstorm.

    Paai

  35. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    The dangers are exaggerated and they know it for the most part.

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  36. Sexism and Democrats by mi · · Score: 2
    Her opponents claimed — during their sole debate — the following, I quote:

    When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

    Would you like me to spell out the 5 lunacies packed into that one phrase of his? Do you disagree, that, had Palin (or any Republican) said something remotely as idiotic as this, all newspapers and all TV-channels would've been dwelling on it for weeks and months? But, because Biden was a Democrat, you never even knews about this until now...

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    1. Re:Sexism and Democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn, I remember the "57" states pronouncements from the right, from a simple misstatement that isn't even marginally funny to a hysterical diatribe about Islam...sorry, mi, but the GOP goes dipshit goofball crazy on their own.

      Then again, you know this, and you've done it yourself.

      Really, can't you come up with anything better?

    2. Re:Sexism and Democrats by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't realize trying to displace Hezbollah was a bad thing. Thanks for enlightening me!

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    3. Re:Sexism and Democrats by mi · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize trying to displace Hezbollah was a bad thing.

      You really are a dishonest piece of shit, aren't you?

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    4. Re:Sexism and Democrats by mi · · Score: 1

      Don't be an asshole — stick to either downmodding or commenting.

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    5. Re:Sexism and Democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be an asshole — stick to either downmodding or commenting.

      Don't be an asshole, don't make accusations you know are not based on any facts.

      And do try to come up with something much better, whining over your internet points isn't much better than pretending the GOP hasn't tried to attack Obama for the Yellow Curtains in the White House.

      You have a tainted field, poisoned and toxic, and all the crops you try to grow, will only form misshapen and twisted.

      Best to move on.

      Or you can piss in your own glass, and praise the vintage.

    6. Re:Sexism and Democrats by skam240 · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying committing ground forces to the region again is a great idea but displacing Hezbollah certainly isnt a terrible one.

      Or hey, maybe I should just call you names, you self absorbed, shithead.

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  37. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Sique · · Score: 1
    Once again, someone tries to rewrite history.

    Russian hackers broke into the emails of the Democratic National Congress. Russian hackers published (allegeded or true) details from Hillary Clinton's campaign shortly before the election. Donald Trump's candidate for National Security Advisor Michael Flynn met with the Russian ambassador.

    Whatever you are up to, stick to the facts!

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  38. Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by burni2 · · Score: 0

    Option A.
    His team intentionally leaked prefabricated and "russianized" files, with false flag offshore bank account information to blame russia and its alley Le Pen - because they knew Le Pen could not keep her mouth shut after finding out that Macron would have an offshore bank account.

    Option B.
    Or his team new they would be hacked so they planted "russianized" files before hand to have "good" publicity and give Le Pen bad publicity.

    Option B. is mostly out of the question, those internal information mostly has unfavourable points and you don't want unfavourable things to be leaked, because even if you blame russia, the unfavourable information would be out in the wild - bad for Macron.

    Option A. has basically the same caveat as Option B. the unfavourable information that would "signal" it to be legit.

    Guys, its plain simple, Wikileaks has been duped.

    And I think that Wikileaks has done good things in the past, but they now fall short because they just leak .. they do not work together with the press for a responsibly disclosure policy.

    Opening their flank wide open for Trumpets and GOPhers and demoRATS alike to shame Wikileaks for "endangering" lives and threatening national security - because without a responsible disclosure policy and support from the press that's the easiest way to counter wikileaks.

    The ego of Julian Assange plays right into the hands of the bad guys - russia, america, 5 warts they all have agencies, that all bend and break the law to their liking and spy on each and everyone - and wage war just to name it.

    Sadly Wikileaks is currently a sock puppet. Wikileaks needs to go back to be a tool of democracy and against abusers of power - equally.

    But with an Assange in hiding and in fear, wikileaks is weak.

    Assange needs to leave the embassy and get to Sweden,
    if sweden dares to extradite(*) him to the U.S. we will have a good discussion in the media about wikileaks and the good they have done ..

    (*) I cannot imagine that Sweden will extradite him especially in the face of the european court for human rights, the current administration and their publically "expressed" interest in human rights and humane treatment (water boarding != torture and so on) - Sweden simply cannot extradite him.

    But Sweden could be obliged to grant asylum for Assange due to his situation.

    If would face death penalty, Sweden cannot extradite him right away -> European human rights charta.

    So generally I would suggest that Assange leaves the embassy earlier than later especially in the face of the "Brexit"
    because the Brexit will perhaps leave Assange in the hands of the english judical system .. and 28 days later Trump has his trophy.

    1. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by skam240 · · Score: 2

      You (quite innocently I'm sure) left out at least one option. Russia performed the hack and planted false emails in the release because they didnt have any good dirt and some one fucked up a little in making the fakes.

      As noted before, I'm sure it was a completely innocent mistake that you left out the biggest running theory right now as to what happened and the one the casts Russia in a poor light.

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    2. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      The fact that you think that there was no option C: "Russia fabricated the off shore accounts" shows that you have a conspiratorial bent and your ideas are suspect.

    3. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys, its plain simple, Wikileaks has been duped.

      As if Assange isn't perfectly happy to knowingly disseminate Russian propaganda.

    4. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      its alley Le Pen

      I can't say I know her that intimately.

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    5. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by burni2 · · Score: 1

      If you would have read the bold sentence you would see the striking similarity between what you wrote and my post.

    6. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by burni2 · · Score: 1

      .. read the sentence written in bold and you get what you wrote ..

      ok, for the hard hats "wikileaks has been duped" ... by whom one might think .. well the spanish inquisition? or Dennis Moore?

      No, by the russians .. because they'd know Assange will publish everything ..

    7. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm sure that the Russians had plenty of time to fabricate 9GB worth of files in the 24h when the hack was confirmed by the Macron camp and the actual release of it.

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    8. Re: Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      You're not thinking straight. The hack was performed before it was announced, maybe weeks before, and only some documents have been alleged to be forged, not 9GB.

    9. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Turns out "wikileaks has been duped" can mean just about anything you want it to mean. That's fucking amazing.

      Does it have to be in bold for that to work?

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  39. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of saying ignorant things, he just lied to our faces. Fuck Progressives.

  40. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    The President of Austria even suggested that the time is coming to force white women to wear headscarves to support Islam.

    I'm not sure citing a President of Austria in regards to protecting the white race is a good look in Europe. Last time, it didn't work out so well for them.

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  41. Re:Sad day for Europe by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Le Pen is the only slightly more pleasant face on a band of actual out and out anti-Semitic Fascists.

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  42. Re:Sad day for Europe by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    I'm all for your parents forcing you into intense cognitive therapy, and taking away your computer until you learn how to communicate like a sensible and decent human being.

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  43. Re:Bye bye France by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Muslims have been in France for over a century. Unsurprising as France invaded and colonized the lands in which they lived.

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  44. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by mi · · Score: 0

    Russian hackers broke into the emails of the Democratic National Congress.

    No evidence supporting claims of the attack's origins was ever presented. Indeed, no irrefutable evidence may even exist for this...

    Whatever you are up to, stick to the facts!

    Indeed! I listed a few. And they are both irrefutable and so damning for Clinton, that you are trying to deflect with "Michael Flynn met with the Russian ambassador." Oh, wow, some smoking gun you have there!

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  45. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by DaRyuujin · · Score: 1

    That's your opinion. It's a good thing I know I'm well educated and bother to research things from a neutral perspective because otherwise you might just be right about me.

  46. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by admin7087 · · Score: 0

    I'm well educated and bother to research things from a neutral perspective

    Maybe just in your imagination. Besides, I'm also fairly well-educated and research things from a neutral perspective... I'm even being paid for it!

  47. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No evidence supporting claims of the attack's origins was ever presented. Indeed, no irrefutable evidence may even exist for this...

    Aside from the document metadata, the reused phishing domains from other state-backed, pro-Kremlin operations, the reused C2 server from other state-backed, pro-Kremlin operations.

    Honestly, you might be more believable if you went out and researched the evidence that has been publicly released, which there is no shortage of, and actually refute it in some way, instead of denying that it exists.

  48. Well, Doctor Who is pretty cool. by hey! · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe there's something to that running water thing.

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  49. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is less than 8% Muslim in France, you don't know a fuck of what you are talking about.

  50. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by mi · · Score: 0

    Aside from the document metadata, the reused phishing domains from other state-backed, pro-Kremlin operations, the reused C2 server from other state-backed, pro-Kremlin operations.

    All easy to fake — even if we were to assume, those earlier exploits were really Kremlin-backed. You aren't citing any sources either. This: "evidence that has been publicly released, which there is no shortage of" is not a citation — had it been so easy to find, you would've cited the link(s) here.

    And, of course, you aren't addressing the facts I gave, which implicate Clinton as very Putin-friendly — whether out of corruption, stupidity, treason, arrogance, or some combination of all or some of the above...

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  51. Thank you, Le Pen, for conceding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the article on Macron's victory centered on Le Pen and the Wikileaks? Did Slashdot officially got out of the closet and confess it's far right political swing?

  52. Re:Sad day for Europe by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    Convincing a major western country to elect an extremist government by killing a couple of dozen people in a handful of low-tech attacks would be a pretty dramatic demonstration of the vulnerability of our current systems to terrorism.

    Hopefully that doesn't happen.

  53. False by Nova+Express · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Panama Papers revealed extensive, documented financial ties between Putin and Clinton cronies:

    Almost lost among the many revelations is the fact that Russia’s biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.

    Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia’s biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.

    Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public image—leading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomeness—and specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlin’s aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the country’s hard-hit financial sector.

    It’s hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbank’s money. That financial institution isn’t exactly hiding in the shadows—it’s the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.

    And that is just one of the many documented financial ties between Podesta/Clinton and Putin's regime.

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    1. Re:False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Panama Papers revealed extensive, documented financial ties between Putin and Clinton cronies

      While we're on the subject of ties...

      Your citation is your own blog, which quotes observer.com as the source. Observer.com is owned by Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law, and published by Jared Kushner's brother-in-law.

      I want to be clear: I'm not commenting on the validity of the story itself. I'm just saying that your flagrant lack of transparency is *really* hurting your credibility as I dig through your comments.

  54. Which is it? by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    "right-leaning Canadian site" vs. "far-right video content".

  55. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Care to refute the facts he already cited?

    Putin had a leash on both candidates, and he played them against one another.

    Oh, and Flynn didn't do anything wrong.

  56. Why would anyone vote for TERRORISM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll never understand the mental disorder that is Liberalism.

  57. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry for that but you do not have any clue about political life in France these days.

  58. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Le Pen is the only slightly more pleasant face on a band of actual out and out anti-Semitic Fascists."

    Unfortunately, more and more Jewish French citizens disagree:

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/143021-170418-why-french-jews-vote-for-marine-le-pen-in-upcoming-elections

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/more-french-jews-drifting-toward-natl-front-party/

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/frances-national-front-rise-jews-voting-marine-le-pen-survey-1465581

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-24/anti-immigrant-le-pen-finds-rising-jewish-support-in-france

  59. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What they advocate ?"

    Tell us what is so scandalous in their program. What exactly ?

    In fact FN (Front National) political program is extremely close to what Charles de Gaulle advocated in the sixties.

  60. Bwahahaha by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    LOL suck it centipedes!

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  61. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry mi, when Trump tried to claim Hillary Clinton sent the US's supplies of Uranium to Russia, you lost that argument for all time.

    That it turned out hiring renowned crazed military officer Flynn as his personal cock polisher was the worst thing Trump could do if he didn't want to be showing off how well Putin's dick fit in his mouth is just another tedious lesson in not selling out to con artists and flim-flammers because they tell you what you want to hear.

  62. Those Frogs are all Misogynists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... according to Hillary.

  63. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by mi · · Score: 0

    Sorry mi, when Trump [uranium]

    I made no mention of uranium. My argument stands on its own, the facts I listed are irrefutable — and I will not allow you to change the subject.

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  64. Le Pen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did NAZI that coming . . .

  65. Re:Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oooh, look the dumb fat fuck APK is off his meds again, andchaving delusions in mms basement. Awww, poor snowflake is all triggered.

  66. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Muslims make about 3% of France's population. You have no clue what you're babbling about.

  67. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, most of the terrorists (7 out of 22 since 2012) who attacked France lately were actually French peoples, born and raised in France, who later turned against their own country.

    The story about terrorists coming in the country in droves, hiding and travelling with the migrants is just a myth forged by fascists like Marine Le Pen's Front National to earn votes . The "migrants" as they are called around here are regular peoples, just like you and me, with children and wife, trying to support their family and which would rather stay live peacefully in their country if it wasn't for Putin's bombing in Syria.

    I'm actually looking forward a cooldown in Syria now that Putin's last hope of having an anti-EU leader in western Europe just vanished.

  68. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I meant only 7 foreigners out of 22 total

  69. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As soon as the Saudi oil express runs out of steam, and ISIS and its ilk are busy figuring out that running government is actual fucking boring work, support for radical Islamism will fall off a cliff. Meanwhile all those Muslims' grandkids are going to go native just like every other fucking immigrant population ever despite the usual bleatings of paranoiacs with defective amygdalas.

  70. Re:Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  71. Geography 101 - Russia is on two continents by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    Western Russia IS part of Europe. And it's not a small part, either. I don't think Hitler's forces ever made it to Asia, but they still conquered millions of square miles of Russia before retreating.

  72. Re:Bye bye France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Fuck off. Don't you have a $60 MAGA hat to buy today?"

    A $60 hat made in... China?
    This is just too funny: After the Red-Hats-Made-In-China thing broke, Trump ordered new ones in Green for distribution on St. Patrick's Day, proudly stated this time as to have been "Made In the USA". They were embroidered with Four-Leaf Clovers, instead of the Three-Leaf Shamrocks. Jabber the Trump couldn't even get that right.
    I can still imagine those rabid Trump supporters, not remotely Irish, wearing them on St. Patrick's Day, while heaving Green Beer into the gutters.
    Trump is a Presbyterian, from his Mother's side. Presbyterians in Ireland number around one-half of one percent, about half of the number of Muslims.
    In Ireland, pretty much everybody detests Presbyterians, because of their general stupidity and ill-breeding. Which describes Trump and his followers to a T.

  73. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL of course APK is a fucking Nazi. Slashdot is a cesspool

  74. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The trap wasn't for you but you fell in it anyway. Sorry about that.

  75. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry mi, when Trump tried to claim Hillary Clinton sent the US's supplies of Uranium to Russia, you lost that argument for all time.

    Emphasis added because what you said doesn't matter nearly as much as you think.

    It's a taint, and it is due to Trump, with a side of Limbaugh and whoever invented that Clinton Death List you know people like to cite. It has basically caused the populace to have no concern at all. They don't react.

    And your refusal to grasp that isn't helping you either, because I can tell you didn't listen to what I said. You're just upset and resentful about being ignored, without paying attention to the particulars of the cause?

    Why is that? Do you simply not want to understand the problem?

  76. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  77. Re: Truth about Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yawn.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/can-trump-distance-himself-from-paul-manafort/520359/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/02/15/donald-trumps-ties-russia-go-back-30-years/97949746/

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/20/think-tank-with-ties-to-putin-reportedly-had-plans-to-sway-election-in-trumps-favor.html

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868

  78. Re:Nothing like a little "insurance policy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I'm not the person you asked it to??

    I just don't like you.

    You suck APK. Go away. 1999 era Slashdot trolls were at least humorous at times.

    You were somewhat endearing with the hosts file thing (which actually honestly sounds like a good idea but Christ you promote it like a 65 year old American writing tech support with his @aol.com address with your insane formatting and lack of web etiquette for someone who posts on a tech site).

    But Trumpism? Fuck off you Nazi piece of shit.

  79. Protest vote by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Here are the results with abstention and protest vote

    • Citizen not registered: 9%
    • Abstention: 23% (large for a french presidential election)
    • Blank votes: 8% (unusually high)
    • Emmanuel Macron: 40%
    • Marine Le Pen: 20%
    1. Re:Protest vote by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Can't find a less biased source for 1/3 non-representation? There's a reason for that.

    2. Re:Protest vote by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Here you are: results from France interior minister which is in charge of organizing elections at the national level.

      The only missing number is non registered citizens. You get it from France national statistics agency (INSEEE). On march 1st 2017, you had 45.678 million registered voters, and you get the number of 61.621 million nationals from 2014 census. Then you still have to dig statistics to find the number of citizen (people of more than 18 years old and that were not deprived from their civil rights) and get the number of 9%.

  80. Re:Sad day for Europe by guruevi · · Score: 1

    You should wonder more why across the entire EU, these "neo-nazis" have 40-60% of the support? Back in the day, they did barely got a single seat, if they got any at all, now they got majority or near-majority amount of seats in the governments and are only held away because of things like 6 or even 10-party coalitions creating a very unstable government (as soon as a party walks away the government collapses, so guess how well that government works with a Christian-Socialist-Islam-Centrist-Conservative coalition party)

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  81. I let others support hosts & my work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gosh if it looks/acts/quacks like a duck? It is a duck. Yes you are the same unidentifiable anonymous worm that stalks me. Come on - do you really think anyone believes that line of bs? LMAO!

    Plus, who cares if you like me - I'm not here to win a popularity contest - I'm here to win. You help me by losing always. You make it too easy with your unidentifiable anonymous wretch antics!

    Trump is all business, means business (means jobs fool) + produces results. That makes him a Nazi? I beg to differ. I think most will agree w/ me. Did a pretty good job of stopping WWIII so far I say too. For no pay as president too? Art of the GOOD deal to me imo!

    APK

    P.S.=> As to my subject line? READ & 'n WEEP https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10579917&cid=54373715/ w/ https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10579917&cid=54373655/ ... apk

    1. Re: I let others support hosts & my work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet another a/c here. You've admitted you're a racist on here before so even if it weren't for your other "quirks", that would be enough for any reasonable person to reject your nonsense.

    2. Re:I let others support hosts & my work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm really not that guy, I just don't like Nazis. I'd post non-AC but I don't want to have an encounter with you like this guy: http://www.thorschrock.com/200... ...after you troll my comment history doxxing me, with nothing else do to in your dark basement.

    3. Re:I let others support hosts & my work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, I keep digging, I keep finding more. Here is people celebrating your leaving some other tech forum in 2002. 15 fucking years ago.

      http://www.osnn.net/threads/al...

      The last post in the thread is the most telling:

      "Yeah, he was a great help in the forum, but for clear reasons known only to him, decided that there was a hidden conspiracy or something. Sad to see him go, but we could get one of those 24 hour webcam things of grass growing to replace him. Shame really, he seemed to know what he was on about until the end. "

      Which just goes to make the point that I was making in my original post - you seem to be a somewhat helpful dude, but you've been fighting a conspiracy that doesn't exist for 15 years. Or am I everyone in that thread too?

  82. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by DaRyuujin · · Score: 0

    Care to cite your source? Last I heard France had a law that prevented the collection of ethnic data..

  83. I'm a nazi cuz I like Pres. Trump? WTF?? LMAO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject + this https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10581145&cid=54373939/

    APK

    P.S.=> Where'd I admit I was a racist before? Let me guess - When I've said I like Pres. Trump before, right?? WRONG! I never said I was a racist, so give us a break - ok???... apk

  84. Thor SCHMUCK? LMAO, ok... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "THOR SCHMUCK"? LMAO my single app (of 40 freeware/sharewares I did years ago, some ending up as commercially sold products or code in them) was lowered to ZERO THREAT LEVELS after I passed all 21 questions for that @ CA no less!

    Heck - that SINGLE APP of 40 or so I have written online to date?

    It's NOT EVEN SCRIPTABLE FOR ATTACK

    Others made one like it too: http://www.start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2254:hidden-start-run-apps-in-the-background&catid=70:64bit-process-management&Itemid=136/

    That one is scriptable though...

    Does CA list it? Oh, wait a second - CA had to SELL OFF THEIR PC TOOLS DIVISION (it sucked is why, lol):

    http://www.updatapartners.com/news/151/Updata-Partners-to-Acquire-CA-Technologies-Internet-Security-Business-Unit-/

    Thor SCHMUCK (degreeless wannabe that he is in the computer sciences) is, afaik, the one that submitted my app to CA as a malware!

    (It was not intended by myself for that kind of use, I wrote it in good faith for a forums guy that wanted a way to launch OLD Apache server for Windows like a service, invisibly, & since that's only 1-2 lines of code to do? I did! It's not scriptable for attack though, period (no argc/argv code in it is why)).

    CA, now there's a story. Ask Computer Associates about their being caught in a millions of dollars financial/accounting scam, here:

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/215116/computer_associates_cofounder_led_22.html/

    Real reputable company, eh?

    In fact, I passed every single one of the 21 questions for removal of my ware from their site, & all they ended up doing was lowering it down to a "zero threat level"...

    APK

    P.S.=> I got the LAST LAUGH as usual & won... apk

  85. Thor SCHMUCK? LMAO, ok... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "THOR SCHMUCK"? A single app (of 40 freeware/sharewares I did years ago, some ending up as commercially sold products or code in them) was lowered to ZERO THREAT LEVELS after I passed all 21 questions for that @ CA no less - It's NOT EVEN SCRIPTABLE FOR ATTACK

    Others made one like it too: http://www.start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2254:hidden-start-run-apps-in-the-background&catid=70:64bit-process-management&Itemid=136/

    That one is scriptable though...

    Does CA list it? Oh, wait a second - CA had to SELL OFF THEIR PC TOOLS DIVISION (it sucked is why, lol):

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22updata%22+and+%22CA+Technologies%22&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IENTSR&pc=EUPP_/

    Thor SCHMUCK (degreeless wannabe that he is in the computer sciences) is, afaik, the one that submitted my app to CA as a malware!

    (It was not intended by myself for that kind of use, I wrote it in good faith for a forums guy that wanted a way to launch OLD Apache server for Windows like a service, invisibly, & since that's only 1-2 lines of code to do? I did! It's not scriptable for attack though, period (no argc/argv code in it is why)).

    CA, now there's a story. Ask Computer Associates about their being caught in a millions of dollars financial/accounting scam, here:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22Computer%20Associates%22%20and%20%22accounting%20scandal%22&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=%22computer%20associates%22%20and%20%22accounting%20scandal%22&sc=1-46&sk=&cvid=807C9EA613CE430DBC11270F9635471E&ajf=60/

    Real reputable company, eh?

    APK

    P.S.=> I got the LAST LAUGH as usual & won... apk

  86. Dig up something from yourself... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show you did more, better & earlier than I vs. a small partial only list of mine in Windows NT Magazine April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" pg 61

    (SuperSpeed.com PAID CONTRACT (wrote part of SuperCache 40% performance boost) & SuperDisk finalist @ MS Tech Ed 2x in a row 2000-2002 HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement)

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE 1997 "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue pg 210 #1 entry

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 pg 84

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 pg 92 MUST HAVE WARES

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - pg 83

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - pg 100

    GERMAN PC BOOK Data Becker "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000

    HOT SHAREWARE #46 issue pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain) 2001

    Paid for article @ PCPitstop in 2008 http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    UltraDefrag64 Process Priority Control credited by lead dev -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge... or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker...

    APK

    P.S.=> I don't recall "OSNN" - you impersonated me then too? You do enough here, lol... apk

  87. Wait what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    'On Friday WikiLeaks also disputed the Macron campaign's claim that the leak mixed real documents with fake ones. "We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us."'

    Macron's campaign has the originals, it's much faster to run a diff then to exhaustively check each document for plausibility. WikiLeaks is talking rubbish.

  88. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No evidence supporting claims of the attack's origins was ever presented.

    Look dude, even the Resident ManBaby himself said the information he's seen convinced him.
    The one guy with the most reason to deny the russians hacked the Clinton campaign and the most access to any proof otherwise has said he thinks the Russians did it.

    "As far as hacking, I think it was Russia"

    The claim by Trump follows incoming Chief of Staff Reince Priebus stating on Fox News that he thinks Trump “accepts the finding. He’s not denying entities in Russia are behind these particular hackings.”

  89. Macron email hack wan't the main intervention by ICantFindADecentNick · · Score: 2

    The french two round system has come to their aid here. The initial intervention was the destruction of the previous mainstream front runner, the republican, Fillon. The most likely outcome was then a run off between Le Pen and a very weak socialist, Hamon, which she'd have had a good chance of winning. They were too late in trying to get to Macron to cause the kind of destabilization that they want because he did too well in the first round. We'll never find out exactly who "they" are - but we should take note to build some checks into the political system to keep it robust against these kind of influences.

    1. Re:Macron email hack wan't the main intervention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's totally fantasy.

      Hamon's campaigned never gained momentum, Fillon was hemorrhaging votes to Macron and Le Pen long before the Penelope affair, and "they" tried long and hard to destabilize Macron (which didn't happen because of the power of the media, which actively protected him, and the smart people on his campaign, who confused the "hackers" with honeypots and false flag leaks)

      A more realistic scenario would've been Le Pen against Melenchon, in which case, yes Le Pen would've won, because the treacherous middle class will always vote a fascist rather than a leftist, and despite all the "desperation" talk, France is very much a self-satisfied bourgeois country.

    2. Re:Macron email hack wan't the main intervention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well no Melenchon would have won.
      It would have been Melenchon vs Macron perhaps if the media and the so-called Socialists had no spent so much time talking about Le Pen for years ; then Macron would have likely won but at least we would have had a campaign worth caring about for the second round.

  90. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by dave420 · · Score: 1

    It's almost as if you've been told a bunch of bullshit and the sky isn't falling in France...

  91. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can deny it all you want, but it will happen during your lifetime. They reproduce like rabbits.

    This argument is so unfounded in reality that it now has its own Snopes aricle detailing why it's BS, quoting a couple relevant parts:

    "France: 1.8 children per family; Muslims, 8.1"

    The French government doesn’t collect statistics by religion, so it is impossible to say what the precise fertility rates among different religious groups in France are.

    But no country on earth has such a high fertility rate, and in Algeria and Morocco, the two nations which send the largest numbers of Muslim immigrants to France, the fertility rate is 2.38, according to the UN’s 2008 figures. - -

    "In the Netherlands, 50% of all newborns are Muslim."

    As of 2004, Muslims comprised about 5.8% of the population of the Netherlands. In order for this small percentage of the population to account for “50% of all newborns,” Muslim women in the Netherlands would have to be giving birth, on average, to about 14 to 16 times as many babies each as non-Muslim women. - -

    "Currently in Belgium, 25% of the population and 50% of all newborns are Muslim."

    Muslims are the second-largest religious group in Belgium, but they still only account for about 4%-5% of the population. And, as noted above, for that small a segment of the population to be accounting for “50% of all newborns” in the country, Muslim women would have to be giving birth to incredibly large numbers of children each. - -

    One fact that gets lost among distractions is that the birthrates of Muslim women in Europe — and around the world — have been falling significantly for some time.
    [S]harp reductions in fertility among Muslim immigrants reflect important cultural shifts, which include universal female education, rising living standards, the inculcation of local mores, and widespread availability of contraception. Broadly speaking, birthrates among immigrants tend to rise or fall to the local statistical norm within two generations.

    The decline of Muslim birthrates is a global phenomenon. Most analysts have focused on the remarkably high proportion of people under age 25 in the Arab countries, which has inspired some crude forecasts about what this implies for the future. Yet recent UN data suggest that Arab birthrates are falling fast, and that the number of births among women under the age of 20 is dropping even more sharply.

    The falling fertility rates in large segments of the Islamic world have been matched by another significant shift: Across northern and western Europe, women have suddenly started having more babies Immigrant mothers account for part of the fertility increase throughout Europe, but only part. And, significantly, many of the immigrants are arrivals from elsewhere in Europe, especially the eastern European countries admitted to the European Union in recent years.

    There are valid concerns with regards to immigration and integration of immigrants from everywhere (including eastern Europe) but this assumption that somehow the muslims will 'outbreed' other Europeans is statistically entirely unfounded and based on numbers that the far.right blogosphere has pulled out of their ass.

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  92. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  93. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by skam240 · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize a religion was an ethnicity.

    Retard...

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  94. Re: Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by skam240 · · Score: 1

    Evidence please. I'm sure the media reported on speculations as to those votes but I think you're lying overall.

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  95. Re:Sad day for Europe by butzwonker · · Score: 1

    You should wonder more why across the entire EU, these "neo-nazis" have 40-60% of the support?

    That's literally all the far right is good at - having a big mouth and making up numbers and "alternative facts".

  96. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The President of Austria even suggested that the time is coming to force white women to wear headscarves to support Islam.

    Correction: He jokingly said that given the right-wing push for forcing women *not* to wear headscarves, there might come the time where one would need to *ask* non-Islamic women to wear headscarves out of solidarity.

    And as an aside: My (Catholic Austrian) grandma was wearing a headscarf every time she left the house - and most of her friends were, too ...

  97. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Oh look you got to post the links that you managed to refrain from posting in the GP. Trump is Putin's candidate.

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  98. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Maritz · · Score: 1

    You like the word "irrefutable" despite not apparently having a fucking clue what it actually means. lol.

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  99. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Maritz · · Score: 1

    All EU nations have freedom of travel within them, not just France, you stupid cunt.

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  100. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Maritz · · Score: 1

    We're talking about the real world here mate, not your cowardly, fearful, pathetic, paranoid head. I'm not afraid of muslims, because I'm not a pathetic cunt like you.

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  101. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Maritz · · Score: 1

    He's right. "Neutral perspective" lol.

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  102. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Oh don't worry, now that you have efficiently contradicted him I'm sure he'll stop spouting that drivel.

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  103. Re:Sad day for Europe by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Yep. This election has one lesson in particular for the humans of planet earth: The French are not as stupid as the Americans. At least, not yet.

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  104. Macron by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 2

    I'm sorry, but Macron doesn't sound like the name of the head of state of an important country. It sounds like the name of a robot on "Futurama".

    (And don't get me started on the depressingly worsening sequence of nitwit-scoundrels who've worked in the Oval Office.)

    Could be worse. Len Pen could have been defeated by Le Sword.

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  105. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by mi · · Score: 1

    Emphasis added because what you said doesn't matter nearly as much as you think.

    Trump is not a party to this debate. You can't refute, what I said, so you are trying to erect strawmen and attack them. Poorly.

    Oh, and you post anonymously so as to keep your pathetic downmodding of my posts in effect. Pathetic...

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  106. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by mi · · Score: 1

    1. incontrovertible, irrefutable, positive -- (impossible to deny or disprove; "incontrovertible proof of the defendant's innocence"; "proof positive"; "an irrefutable argument")

    Describes the facts I listed quite well, thank you very much.

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  107. Re: At least, Putin is no sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is not a party to this debate. You can't refute, what I said, so you are trying to erect strawmen and attack them. Poorly.

    Sorry mi, just because you don't want to admit it, doesn't mean that Trump is not the problem with your accusations not holding water, you can't refute this, so you try to ignore it. Poorly. It's very dumb of you. You should instead be chagrined that his ill-considered accusations damage any criticisms you might want to make since you have to deal with that stigma.

    But you won't, you won't even try to distance yourself from Trump, instead you try to deny the role he's playing.

    Why? Why don't you just say that "Yes, Trump's wild accusations were stupid, and I fucking hate that" or something? Why don't you wise up and realize how you could help yourself?

    Oh, and you post anonymously so as to keep your pathetic downmodding of my posts in effect. Pathetic...

    Oh mi, your protests are getting even more pathetic, see, here's the thing, I know I didn't mod any of your posts, I know I don't even have a Slashdot account that I use. I had one years ago, but I don't access it, and so if anybody mods your posts, I know I have not the slightest involvement.

    Thus I can condescendingly mock your protests. I mean really, if you want to object to Slashdot's moderation system, send your complaints to them.

  108. Re:Sad day for Europe by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Kebabs are pretty tasty. Lots of people like Kebabs. You would also if you tasted one, but its hard to taste food when your head is up your ass.

    You can whine all you want about SJWs or political correctness, but there is nothing sensible about fascism. There is nothing sensible about ISIS either. Not all muslims are extremists and not all extremists are muslim. Those are very simple truths that you choose to refute.

    One extremist begets another. And so on. At least the French are more aware of this than Americans.

    Egalité, fraternité, liberté. Vive la France!

    This,

    The answer to extremism is not more extremism. That's like saying the answer to a fire is coal and petrol.

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  109. Rather more interesting, from the leak... by Reziac · · Score: 1

    ...is this document, in French:

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfr...

    Translation to English (not cleaned up, just what the Big Goo spit out):

    https://pastebin.com/zyk0yn79

    Draw your own conclusions about who is really behind Macron.

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  110. Vive Le Front Nationale! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10 years ago, had you had made the assertion that The National Front candidate could get 35% of the vote, people would have laughed at your crazy idea.
    Gloat while you can globalists. Nationalism is on the rise all over Europe. A few election defeats are nothing more than minor speed bumps. And despite your glorious African invasion, most European countries are still 90% or more white #CharlesMartel

    Congratulations to Marine Le Pen on this historic achievement.

  111. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You haven't visited Paris, have you?

    Covered women? Go do a Google Image search for "people in Paris". Of course the amount of flesh showing will vary with the time of year, but if you're trying to imply that veils and headscarves are common, you're about as wrong as it's possible to be. Army patrolling the streets? About as much as they "patrol" a typical midwestern shopping mall, which is to say you might see an occasional soldier or recruiter, but "patrolling the streets" not so much, except at extraordinary times like immediately after an attack.

    Look, whoever is telling you this information and claiming it's first-hand - is a fucking liar, there's no way they could be this "wrong" honestly, and you should stop believing them.

  112. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could be, if you have huge amount at your disposal to smother the fire ^^

  113. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snopes is good for urban legends, but using it in anything political would be a terrible source.

  114. So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you want to know why no one cares about whatever "ties" might exist between Clinton and the Russians?

    It's because no one thinks that Clinton is in the pocket of Putin. No one has reason to doubt just how clear a line of separation Clinton has drawn between herself and the Putin regime. The record speaks for itself.

    This is Trump's problem. Trump keeps making bromance moves and statements about Putin. Trump seems to imply that he likes Putin and would like to be besties. Trump acts weirdly like Chester to Putin's Spike.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg

    All this suggests that Trump deeply wants to cozy up with Putin, while Clinton has no such desire. And that's why any such ties between Clinton and the Russians raises no red flags. Too bad for your little conspiracy theory there.

  115. I'm a US Citizen & pros disagree on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/ "Host file accessing the Internet - particularly browsing the Web - is actually faster... Spybot Search & Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans & other forms of malware"

    OReilly hosts security -> http://oreilly.com/pub/a/windows/2004/03/30/hosts.html/ & hosts speed -> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/excerpt/winxphacks_chap1/index1.html?page=3/

    Steve Gibson endorses hosts https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-045.htm/

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

    Malwarebytes hpHosts' hosts/RECOMMENDS me!

    Brocke Wilders of WILDERS' SECURITY does inferior clone of MY work http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/hosts-block.378901/

    APK

    P.S.=> China = imitation = flattery http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/26/boffins_supercharge_the_hosts_file_to_save_users_plagued_by_dns_outages/

  116. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by DaRyuujin · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize a religion was an ethnicity.

    Retard...

    O rly? Oh man you tried to insult the wrong persons intelligence. Lemme give you a vocabulary lesson.

    ethnic
    [eth-nik]

    1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, especially a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.

    2. referring to the origin, classification, characteristics, etc., of such groups.

    3. being a member of an ethnic group, especially of a group that is a minority within a larger society

    4. of, relating to, or characteristic of members of such a group.

    5. belonging to or deriving from the cultural, religious, or linguistic traditions of a people or country

    6. (of a human being) displaying characteristics, as in physical appearance, language, or accent, that can cause one to be identified by others as a member of a minority ethnic group:

    7. Obsolete. pagan; heathen.

    noun
    8. a member of an ethnic group.


    Care to revisit that retard statement? Because it sure does seem that by DEFINITION that people who share the same religion are considered an ethnic group.

    You should probably at least look up the definition of a word before you call somebody a retard and claim they misused it, might make yourself out to be somebody who lacks intelligence themselves.