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"That sounds a lot like Republicans in the USA."

No, actually it doesn't. Are you perhaps a democrat ?

"they will be left to lives of extreme poverty and misery"

bzzzt ... wrong ... see your recent history Germany Japan South Korea ... I always heard people describe them to be places of "extreme openness and friendly people" just after WWII. So your assertion that (real) occupation will lead to misery is wrong.

"what would it take for me to stay out of the middle east"

Well very simple ... this counter has to stop going up : http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Hate preachers in mosques should go home (so Saudi Arabia ... in case you were wondering)

"People that disagree with you face the same choice that people who disagree with Islamic extremists face: either let you do want you want even though it is disagreeable or kill you"

See answer to previous question ... anyone who isn't openly attacking me is quite safe

"But I guess that's your world view: you're not changing your opinion and the insurgents aren't changing their opinion so the only way to resolve the issue is for one side or the other to be killed. What's interesting to me is that it's not actually the difference of opinion that's the problem. It's the fact that you both believe in killing each other to resolve the difference of opinion. Does it matter is people are Muslim? Not really. Does it it matter is the USA is involved in the Middle East? Not really. The problem is that you both believe that the only way to resolve the disagreement is to kill each other. Of course, by believing that, you make it true."

*kuch* let's take your situation ... you vs a terrorist ... you are all about peace, you are unarmed because "arms might make the other guy fire" and the terrorist hates you because you do not follow their exact strain of islam ... you know the situation that iraqi academics found themselves in ... he's armed to the teeth ... weapons knives ... he's been taught since birth that you are satan and you will kill him when he gives you the slightest chance ... and then you die (obviously)

Does it matter if people are muslim ? YES, obviously. Islam is about rules. Here's an excerpt from muslim rules, you know, observance of these rules makes you a muslim, non-observance makes you a non-muslim :

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

As codified in Sharia law.

Allowing these things in America, is that a good idea ?

Mohamed was a pedophile, and a racist mass-murderer. Repeating his behavior is the purpose of islam. Ask any muslim.

See Aisha and Khaybar stories of the quran. You know, READ the quran ... as any muslim will tell you is a good thing. Do keep a puke bag nearby though.

1. ONE person committing terrorist acts si a significant fraction.

Mere characterization based on your opinion. That statement conveys no information.

2. Didn't answer the point: saying "those are bad people so keep tabs on THEM" is not good if you aren't cataloguing ALL bad people and that means every group.

Wrong. Just because everyone can't be stopped, that does not mean it's a bad idea to put a group that openly proclaims that it's committed to violence under closer watch. A group that openly supports terrorism and violence deserves closer attention.

Don't like it? Well, I invite you to move to Planet Earth.

3. Witch burning in Salem. Anti-abortionists. God-fearin' christians killing blacks (KKK). Look at the bible-belt TV. Look at Israel's actions. Look at the Indian problems. Protestant/Catholic problems in Ireland...

Q - Which one of those is backed by an entire religion, promising 72 virgins to those who kill infidels?

A - None of them.

You refuse to see that. Why are you so bent on making everyone and every religion morally equivalent to the point of ignoring evidence? That's the real question: why do your beliefs require you to ignore evidence?

Count those Islam-inspired acts in 2005 - 1500+. Count the number since August - 419, ignoring any and all in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You've utterly ignored all that while pulling crap like the Salem Witch Trials from hundreds of years ago to bash Christianity. I don't have to go back hundreds of years to find thousands of acts of violence committed in the name of Islam - just two.

4. Well we don't hear about them, do we? Because we are generally christian. Go to India and listen to the news there: attacks you never hear about because your news stations don't put out ALL the news.

Go and read that list from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com./ You do have the ability to do that, don't you? If you really think that there are an equivalent number of non-Islamic violent acts, why don't you find them? Why hasn't anyone found them?

Remember, you have to find 1500+ attacks in 2005. You have to find over a hundred a month.

Please, go find them. Try. Please do.

Because when you don't find one hundred non-Islamic acts of terrorism a month, you'll learn something, something that just might make you question the "everyone's the same" pap you've been fed.

Read the sceptics' annotated bible. Not a pretty read. The koran, as written, is actually quite a level-headed document.

Of course, that totally ignores the hadiths, now doesn't it?

It also totally ignores the fact that in Islamic theology, later writings completely override any earlier writings. Note that what you term the "level-headed" part of the Quran is the earlier writings.

That's the opposite of Christianity.

When you watch a magician, a lot of the tricks involved are based on getting you to look where he wants you to look so that the trick can be done without you seeing. Proclaiming only Islam is a problem blinds you to the other nutjobs and they will blindside you. Then probably convince you that Islam is the problem which you want to believe because that means you and people like you aren't the problem, IT IS SOMEONE ELSE.

Nice, content-less pap. Proclaiming there are other problems in the world does not make Islam a non-problem. But I bet you don't even see the logical disconnect there, do you?

Ask Theo van Gogh if Islamic interpretation of the Quran is "level headed". Oh, wait, you can't - your "level headed" Muslims killed him. Just like they did to Salman Rushdie's translator. See the big stink in Pakistan demanding a return to medieval rape laws that effectively give a free pass to rape. See how

But over 97% of mass-murders are commited by muslim men (and women). See khartoem, sudan, mogadishu and ethiopia (and others) for the current big problems.

Then there is the question as to WHY this is the case. And then you check the muslim holy book, you know, the one they always tell you to check, and :

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 9:5)

And then you say ... hmmm. (btw there's tons more of statements like that in the koran)

Add to that that every muslim mass-murderer also says that he did it because of these verses and then you start seeing the problem.

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Let's make a comparison. Why these 2 things. First nothing about racism you can easily compare any two things, especially 2 things that are basically ideas. Why these 2 ? Because it illustrates a glaring problem :

Islam - Nazism

1. Does the ideology inspire people to kill others ?
Islam - Yes, as the londen bomber said "He who kills in the name of allah is excused", see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for a more complete list
Nazism - Yes, see "Final Solution", amongst others

2. Does the ideology inspire people to repress large parts of their own population with extreme measures ?
Islam - Yes, see http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idartic le=6845
Nazism - Yes, http://fcit.usf.edu/Holocaust/people/victims.htm

3. Is the ideology completely opposed to personal choice and democracy ?
Islam - Yes, see http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=15522
Nazism - Yes, see takeover and disbanding of parliament in Germany before the war

4. Does the ideology indoctrinate children with ideas of hate ?
Islam - Yes, see http://www.pmw.org.il/schoolbooks.html (I couldn't find the link about the western "madrassas", that are at least equally bad)
Nazism - This is how they "started" (if you are willing to accept that nazism started, while in reality it has always existed, and prevails even today, but this is what allowed it to expand enough to do damage)

Isn't this exactly what made nazism bad ? Why do we forgive muslims for forcing idiocies like this on their children ?

So you see "islamofascism" is not that bad a name for the ideology of terrorists/taliban/iran's mullahs(/saudis) (because they also match on the other points, the socialism part). It has the added advantage of implying that someone can be muslim without being an islamofascist. (btw, in every muslim country, like egypt, or morocco, they call the terrorists "islamists", also implying a direct connection between the religion and the terrorism)

So yes, if someone is muslim, we try check if they are an islamofascist or not. That's just common sense. A muslim and an islamofascist are 2 coins of the same ideology. If muslims did this themselves, like we try to prevent our own children from becoming nazi's or racists, there would be much less of a problem, and the checks would wither away and die.

1. It's not a "small fraction" of Muslims who are what you termed "misguided". It is a significant fraction - significant enough to rule entire countries - Iran for certain, with major, major influences in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and probably quite a few others. Just listen to the word of the Iranian ayatollahs and government, Saudi state-sponsored imams, Hamas (who rules Palestine), and Hezbollah (effectively the rulers of Lebanon).

2. Yes, it's obvious that http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ has an agenda. No doubt about it. But even if you discount all the singular slayings as criminal acts that don't belong, and toss out everything that's in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're left with literally hundreds of acts like bombings, honor killings, and Islamic-inspired slayings of Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus. No one has numbers like that for any other religion for the simple reason no other major religion today literally has any significant numbers of followers who are exhorted to kill for their religion. The only one that does that is Islam - where entire countries are urged to kill infidels. Go to another fact-filled but agenda-driven site to read about it: http://www.memri.org./ IIRC that site is run by ex-Mossad or Shin Bet. But there's nothing there but documented facts - and that's scary.

3. Others have brought up the Inquisition and the Crusades as evidence of Christian moral equivalence to Islam. Please note that those both predate the Enlightenment and the Reformation. Islam abandoned rationality 800 years ago. I believe the relevant word is itjihad. Why is it that even today Islamic leadership almost unanimously calls for the imposition of sharia, even in places like Canada?

4. If you don't think Islam is different from other religions, tell me any other religion extant today that has the equivalents of Salman Rushdie and Theo van Gogh. Go and research jizya. I was going to crack a joke about Scientology here, but the more I think about it, the more accurate that comparison might be - Islam is Scientology with a billion followers, several countries under control, lots of money, and soon nuclear weapons. And with an infallible L. Ron Hubbard as Mohammed, preaching "kill the infidels" instead of "give me money". Don't think so? Something like 15% or so of British Muslims openly admit to supporting the London bombings. Now, put that into the context of the Islamic concept of taqiyya.

Don't believe me? Read what Iranian President Ahmadinejad says. It's right out of the Quran. Listen to Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah. Those guys are saying they're going to kill infidels, and they're actually going about the process of either actively doing that or openly collecting the weapons that could do so.

This is a scary time - and a Dark Age is looming if we don't stand up for classical Western values against a religion who murders those who demand equal rights for women, a religion that condones the stoning of gays and lesbians, a religion that misogynistically promises 72 virgins to those that die while trying to kill infidels, and a religion that makes the most strident Bible-thumping Creationist look like an absolute scientific Einstein.

Just look what's happening in France. And the Netherlands.

Explain how all that's "shortsighted". I see a threat to Western values like human rights and the equality of all men and especially women being threatened by an evil, elemental force that has way too much potential to make Hitler look like a passing windstorm.

Got the balls to actually read and comment on this list:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm

Well, do you? Will you go there, and actually read that list? There are 1531 events on that list, all of them violence perpetrated by Muslims, and most of them are terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. That's just one year, one year that saw over one-thousand five hundred acts of violence in the name of Islam. Hell, poke all the holes in those examples you want. Research them all. You might learn something, and it might actually cause you to think about your opinions and base them on facts.

Did you know about all of those? I'd bet they happened outside of your attention span. 1,500+ acts of violence committed in the name of Islam in the year 2005 - just one damn year - and you didn't even notice. And you have the chutzpah to talk about "attention span"?

I note you failed to comment on London, Madrid, and Bali. Why did you ignore those? No balls?

And why do your examples include ones from 1927 - a few months from seventy years ago - and 1955? Why do you have to go back the better part of a century to pull examples?

I'll take your five examples of not only non-Islamic but also non-religious violence spanning the last 70 years against my 1500+ examples of Islamic violence from a single year, the ones that must have slipped past your attention for you to make such facile claims.

Calling that list of 1500+ Islamic-inspired violent acts "propaganda" doesn't change it in any way. Please tell us what is "hateful" about that list.

Whether you like it or not, there's only one major world religion that preaches that killing non-believing "infidels" is a way to enter Paradise, and also has a long history of treating "infidels" as sub-human and actually deserving of death because their continued existence is an "insult to Allah". Go look up the term jizya. I dare you. Go read the verses in the Quran calling for "smiting your enemy in the neck", and put that in the context of all the hostage beheadings we're subject to. I dare you to do that, too.

I dare you to research Islamic theology. I really do. Especially the era where Islam rejects rationality.

Calling that list of Islamic violence "hateful propaganda" doesn't change it one bit. It just shows you're a sheltered and pampered twit pining for some lame idea of "tolerance":

So, can we PLEASE drop the racial/religious profiling, and just focus on the individuals involved, instead of blindly regurgitating hateful propoganda? Thanks.

Yep. 1,500+ deadly violent events in 2005, in the name of Islam. Open claims from Islamic heads of state that they will "wipe Israel off the map" and in the process kill millions. And you call it "hateful propaganda" when the Islamic propensity for medieval violence in the name of religion is pointed out.

And you desire "peace in our time."

And not one of these happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. That's FOUR HUNDRED AND NINETEEN ISLAMIC terror attacks worldwide in IN JUST THE LAST FOUR MONTHS! Once again, not one of these happened in Iraq or Afghanistan.

That's more than THREE MUSLIM TERRORIST ATTACKS PER DAY , you jackass. Not per year, not per month. Not even per week. THREE PER FUCKING DAY .

(courtesy of http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html)

I bet if you really, really work your ass off, you can get the number down below two a day by going after all the events listed below and explaining how they're not all Muslim-inspired terrorism. You might knock it down to maybe only two hundred Muslim terrorist acts in the past four months. Gee, if you put a lot of work at you, you can prove that Muslims worldwide are so peaceful that they only commit two whole terrorist attacks per day.

Yep - you're going to have to work your damn ass off just to prove Muslims are so damn peaceful that they commit only two terror attacks per day, worldwide. Not counting anything going on in Iraq or Afghanistan at all.

Goody for you. We're cheering you on in your quest to prove just how peaceful Muslims really are. After you've done that, why don't you teach yourself just how literally irrational Islamic theology is. And it is, too. Islam is literally irrational. That took hold back around 1200 or 1300, which is why all Muslim contributions to civilization took place before then. Now you know why Islamic societies stopped advancing scientifically around that date, and why their culture is literally stuck in the Dark Ages of women as property.

You ignorant fucking jackass. Only now, you can't claim ignorance any more. Will actual knowledge impact your awareness?

STFU, you moron.

Here's the list. Have fun whittling it down.

11/30/06 Somalia Baidoa 4 5 A botched suicide bombing attempt leaves at least four people dead, not including the bombers.
11/30/06 Thailand Pattani 0 1 A 75-year-old man is beaten in his home and set on fire by Muslim radicals.
11/30/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 44-year-old man is murdered by Islamic gunmen.
11/30/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Thai Islamists gun down a woman in a tea house, severely injuring her daughter as well.
11/28/06 Thailand Yala 2 0 A Buddhist husband and wife are murdered by Islamic gunmen as they return home.
11/27/06 Chechnya Gudermes 1 2 A Russian is killed by Jihad gunmen while traveling in a car.
11/27/06 Pakistan Makeen 1 0 A moderate cleric is assassinated by Taliban supporters, who pin a note to the body.
11/26/06 Thailand Yala 2 0 Islamic militants approach two police officers at a food market and shoot them at point-blank range.
11/26/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A 46-year-old Buddhist man is shot off the back of a motorcycle while riding with his wife.
11/26/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 24-year-old villager is shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
11/26/06 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A Buddhist rubber-tapper is murdered by radical Muslims.
11/25/06 Thailand Yala 1 2 Muslims fire into a Buddhist-owned store, killing the owner and injuring two others.
11/25/06 Thailand Yala 3 0 Three Buddhist pig hunters are shot and hacked to death by Muslim radicals.
11/24/06 Pakistan Sharif Chachar 1 0 A 15-year-old girl is hacked to death with an axe in an honour killing by her father, who suspected her of illicit relations.
11/24/06 Thailand Narithiwat 1 0 Islamists break into a man's home and kill him.
11/24/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A school administrator is shot and then burned to deat

Monopoly - no

95% - yes

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

And would that be that bad ?

If muslims stopped blowing others up, it wouldn't take more than 1 or 2 years for them to start screening communists or just regular criminals again.

"oh but it isn't muslims that are terrorists"

Yes it is, it is not only muslims, it's muslims doing it for islam :
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Just read some of the statements these guys make before mass-murdering their fellow citizens.

Yes I'm going to tell you that prophet was
1. a pedophile : he fucked a girl called "aisha" when she was 7 year old

Even the presence of the bottles would be a clear violation of palestine's law

(not beating your wife regularly would be another violation). That's islam.

The "religion of peace" ( http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ then why does "islam" mean submission, opression in arabic ?)

2. a person who murdered hundreds of people in cold blood, when they were no threat to him : khaybar, the rounded up all the men there, had them dig their own grave in the center of medina, and had them beheaded before his eyes one by one. Then he ordered muslims to rape their women.

Yes I'm going to tell you that prophet was
1. a pedophile : he fucked a girl called "aisha" when she was 7 year old
2. a person who murdered hundreds of people in cold blood, when they were no threat to him : khaybar, the rounded up all the men there, had them dig their own grave in the center of medina, and had them beheaded before his eyes one by one. Then he ordered muslims to rape their women.

Why don't you start by checking if these facts are true. If they're not ... well that will be an easy 50 grand for you : http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

About the pricing inversion, no I don't believe it. Obviously. Even the presence of the bottles would be a clear violation of palestine's law (not beating your wife regularly would be another violation). That's islam. The "religion of peace" ( http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ then why does "islam" mean submission, opression in arabic ?)

And there were these, errm, lone gunmen that shot up some random Jewish people (link) , some cases of sudden Jihad syndrome and whatnot. And there is that funny website called http://www.thereligionofpeace.com, that counted more than 5500 Jihad attacks since 9-11 worldwide.

And yes, most weren't on North American soil. And yes, there was that Ryder truck and the daycare school. (You forgot to mention all those school shootings.)

I didn't advocate lax security on everyone else, but the time-consuming probing of all body orifices should be spared for the usual recurring suspects. To reference my useless analogy: the fact that one purple turkey made a large attack ten years ago doesn't make our green snakes any yota less dangerous. 99.9 percent of all attacks are from them, so go figure.

+5 Insightful? So-called terrorist plans?

Yeah, there is no such thing as terrorism, I forgot. George Bush invented it. Why is it that any good news at any time MUST have an alterior motive? We always hear, "It's an election year", or "isn't the timing just a little too convenient". The governement has been telling us about disrupted plots for years. The first link on a google search pulls up "Thwarted Terrorist Plots Since Sept. 11 Attacks" on the ABC news site (or is ABC a republican talking points shill now?)

The threats out there are very real. We're lucky to have people and processes in place to protect us. Worldwide there have been more than 5312 documented deadly attacks since 9/11. That's not a body or injury count folks, that's just the attacks. At that rate, there are going to be plots uncovered - some even in the US.

Feel free to be snide and cynical. Some of us will continue to fight for your right to say whatever you believe.

Now why don't you go back to the DU and work on the science experiment that proves 9/11 was engineered by the evil President Chimpy McHalliburton and his cronies.

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I miss the pre six-digit UID slashdot days.

So white people should be pulled over at random in Oklahoma City?

That would be using a MUCH smaller sample size to use for profiling than what has been used to profile the average terrorist. I mean just look at how many attacks have been carried out by Jihadists/radical Islamics/Muslims in the last FIVE MONTHS: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attac ks

I mean Jesus tapdancing Christ, most of these attacks were carried out in the name of religion. Tell me again why profiling people who practice a religion that has a higher than normal number of people who commit violence (especially against "infidels") is wrong? This is not a small number, you can't ignore the facts.

or do you buy into the bullshit that the muslims simply hate our way of life and freedom and must kill us all because of TCBY, naked womens ankles, and eating pork?

It's not BS if it's an established fact. And yes, they do hate naked womens ankles and pork. Read the Quran sometime. It makes references to those things being forbidden.

You might want to check out this article. Hell with that, just check out this website. Not that you would ever read it. Having your world view shattered would be like...letting the boy out of his bubble. No, we can't have that now can we?

A third world war is going to bring peace for sure!!!

We already had WW3, it's known as "the Cold War". You must mean WWIV, which by the way we already are in. Politicians will call it "the war on terror". That's a load of BS shrouded in political correctness. It should be call "the Islamic holy war", because that's EXACTLY what it is.

I highly suggest you check out this website.

Sorry, but sometimes I just can't believe it how many people there are who still think that war is the answer!

When dealing with irreconcilable differences that involve your enemy taking lives, war is the ONLY answer. It has always been the case throughout human history, and will continue to be so long after we colonize other planets thousands of years from now (if possible).

Do they really think that people will calm down when you start to go kill them? Well, maybe yes, but not until they're all dead!

Please reread your history on WW2 in regards to defeating the Nazis and Japan. We didn't kill them all, and they did calm down after they were faced with defeat. These are just two modern examples, and certainly not the exception.

Hate is not produced 'out of the blue'. There are underlying reasons. C'mon, we're on /., a place where engineers and tech savvy people gather. Ask yourself, what would an engineer do? Would an engineer rather fight the symptoms than the cause? And hey, everyone who just said 'symptoms', turn in your geek card at the counter.

Therefore, let's fight the cause. Analyse what made those terrorists so angry. Analyse why they thought that a terror attack would be the best and most direct means to solve their problems. Why did they not take the political route? Maybe because they can't raise their voice because they are overpowered by some major political forces?

Trust me, I totally understand your frustration! By thinking the west (US for example) is the *cause* of the problem, empowers us to solve the issues. But this is pure fallacy. Western civilization hasn't caused any of this hate. The only thing we are doing to piss them off is not converting to Islam and replacing democrocy around the world with an Islamic theocracy.

Think of it like this. Your walking down a road in the middle of New York minding your own business... Along comes some thug that stabs you in the back and takes your wallet because your of X race.

Let's review. Did you do anything to cause the problem? Nope. Was there anything you could have done to prevent it? Yes. The solution? Don't walk on the street, and if you do, carry a weapon in hand. But that's temporary. If you want to solve the problem (prevent future attacks on citizens), you get the SWAT team out and round up every known guilty thug. If a firefight flairs up over it, so be it. Take them fuckers to the grave if you have too.

Whatever you do, rest assured that starting WWIII is NOT the correct answer to peace on earth!

You mean WWIV, the one we're already in. And yes, war is the answer to peace. You can only have peace after you've achived victory over those that do you harm.

Faith Freedom site of Ali Sina
TheReligionOfPeace
EuroJihad (in polish)
Cox & Forkum (funny drawings)
JihadWatch
PravdaOIslamu (in czech)
Saudi blogger
Egyptian blogger
Hizb-ut-Tahrir Islamic site

Why, yes, every religion has its nuts. But no other religion has nuts quite like Islamic nuts. Can you demonstrate several daily religiously-motivated acts of murderous barbarism from, say, the Catholics?

This is like claiming that Baruch Goldstein's actions make all Israelis morally equivalent to Hamas. Or that a single civilian death makes the American army no better than Saddam's. Or that Matthew Shepard's death makes Americans no better than the Iranian regime which regularly executes homosexuals. It's morally vacuous.

Muslims aren't allowed to lie about Islam, to each other or to non-Muslims. Muslims can't lie to non-Muslims unless they're being threatened with death. For example, Ammar ibn Yasir (ra) was tortured until he gave up his religion, but Muhammad (peace be upon him) told him it was OK to say that if he didn't mean it. It ends there.

Another Muslim told me that it was permittable for a Muslim to lie to a Kuffar during "wartime". Why should I take your opinion over his? Clearly there is some debate among muslims about when it is appropriate to lie. There are various webpages about this very subject which detail many of the Muslim opinions on this subject.

Or, of course, you could be lying. It seems universal that at least *some* lying to the Kufr is permittable.

I can tell you're just copying accusations from another poster. "Kuffar" isn't the proper grammatic word, so you're getting your so-called knowlege fourth-hand.

What is it supposed to be? "Kuffar" or "Kaffir"? "Koran" or "Qu'ran"? I never claimed to be an expert in Arabic. And it's not like I can count on Muslims to be honest to teach me about their religion and about their hatred for me and about their earnest desires to subject the entire world to Shari'a.

This whole "Muslims are allowed to lie until they control the world" garbage I keep hearing smacks of the same prejudice as the Jews suffered because of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

That book is very popular in the dar al-Islam right now!

It's propaganda that is always used when you want to get rid of people, "Sure they sound good in public, but in their secret meetings, they outline their evil plan."

But Muslims are not being all that "secret" about their desires. Muslims in stockholm wear t-shirts that read: "2030: The Year we Take Over". Muslims in the United States carry signs that feature the White House and the black flag of Jihad above it and the words which read: "Islam will Dominate!" The software company islamgames.com features video games which take place in the future "when Islam has dominated the world". I stated before and maintain: that Shari'a is imposed on the entire world is a mainstream, not extreme, belief among the world's Muslims. And Muslims have been rather brave in expressing their belief that violence and the threat of violence are the proper ways to win the world's respect.

If you're going to say that Surahs and Hadiths make murder allowable, I'd like you to prove it.

From submission.org:

"life is sacred so we are not allowed to commit murder except in the course of justice. (Quran 4:92-93, 6:!51)"

"Oppression is worse than murder. (Quran 2:217)"

So how do you define "justice" and "oppression"? Is it "just" that Shari'a be imposed on the entire world? Are Muslims "oppressed" if the Kufr resist their desires to impose Shari'a on the entire world?

According to the US State Department's report, South America has more terrorism than the Middle East. You just hear more about the Middle East on the news. False perception, its like how people are more afraid of flying then driving, when cars kill so many more.

I went to that web page, and it only had data up to 2003. Furthermore, I didn't see a way to measure that South America has "more" terrorism than the Middle East. More in terms of people killed and injured? More in terms of number of incidents? More in terms of property damage? Furthermore, I'm more interested in stats of terrorist acts committed by non-Muslims versus terrorist acts committed by Muslims in the name of Allah (jihad). Where can I get those stats? I can see a list of terrorst acts committed by your primitive bretheren here.

Good, now you can understand that just because terrorists or guerillas are "Christian," that doesn't make the religion to blame.

If they were doing it for the sake of holy war in the name of Jesus Christ in acc

Muslims are freaking savages.

Consider that a topic heading. Read more. Seriously, there is a lot of information here.

And as for Mohammad...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

There have been about 3,700 terrorist attacks since 9/11/01 perpetrated by Muslims.

I don't hate Muslims, nor do I think they are evil, but it IS an interesting statistic. I am not blind, either, to wrongs committed by Christians or atheists.

Well a quick search at

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/default.htm#atta cks

showed roughly 150 Muslim suicide bombings around the world in just in the past 12 months alone! I'd say the case is closed on this one. Sure the Tamils are more suicical taking population into account (compared to the much larger number of Muslims) but the end volume of Muslims willing to blow themselves up is staggering...