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Tell me something, between Christianity and Islam, which one of the two has committed nearly 19,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11? I'll give you a hint, it's not Christianity.

To the mods now. Refute the point, and don't be an intellectual coward and moderate something because you don't like it.

The odds of death by terrorist are lower than death by a spacerock falling from the sky & hitting you on the head.

Islamic terrorists have carried out more than 18,848 deadly terrorist attacks since September 11, 2001, including 40 attacks last week that killed 220 people and critically injured 407. This does not count deaths by non-Islamic terrorists such as FARC or the IRA which recently had a quarter-ton truck bomb seized and defused that could have caused some damage if it went off.

Now it's your turn to provide the numbers for the larger number of people killed by cranial meteorite impact.

Citation needed.

You are sure, but I'd like a body count comparison please for the last.. say.. 2 decades. Count of number of people killed in the name of Allah vs number of people killed in the name of Christ. Also, a compare against the Jewish would be interesting. Just for the sake of comparison to see where our civilisation is heading.

Here is an interesting quote

19 Muslim radicals killed far more innocent people in just two hours on September 11th than the number of non-combatants killed over Northern Ireland in three and a half decades.

for a start from here.

Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's consummation of his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine years of age. The thought of a 52-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile. Exerpted from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm

Muslims are encouraged to lie to get their cult accepted. Any 'fact' about islam should be presumed false unless it was witnessed first hand by a proper infidel.

Oh, you want state judicial murders? Yeah, we've got those too. Over 1200 of them just since 1977.

Except that the Muslim world regularly manages to kill the same number of people for religious reasons in just nine months, on average. Not to mention the expansionist wars of the previous centuries, when their surrounding non-Muslim neigbours weren't strong enough yet to defend themselves.

And as the sibling posts say, you make it sound like one terrible wrong makes another terrible wrong seem less terrible. Guess what, it doesn't.

Yeah that happens so often. *Rolleyes*

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/history_extreme.asp

Blowing up ... not so much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Murders

Murder ... not so much.

Compare with Islamic Terrorism in the US.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

No the Terrorists are educating people like you to ignore what constitutes REAL terrorism. In other words ... there is no comparison. You are a troll, and should have been modded as such.

they takin our jaaabs

Queue jumping rapists more like it

What other culture besides these muslims condone rape and force rape victims to marry their rapist?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/002-rape_adultery.htm

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/news/queensland-woman-tells-of-her-jail-hell-in-united-arab-emirates/story-e6freqwo-1226028684306&date=2011-03-27

http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/1856/bangladesh-sharia-brutality-raped-girl

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/04/france.jonhenley1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sydney/story-e6freuzi-1226057808947

and, of course, this is where it is all going to end up:
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/05/australia-islamic-leader-wants-to-implement-sharia-law-in-heavily-muslim-suburb/

Do you want to have these people in your country?

No, seriously. Australia takes all sorts of refugees from all over the world. Having thousands of muslims forcing their way in is not good.

Someone knocks at your door. Your daughter opens it. A muslim man bashes his way in and rapes your daughter. Your daughter is now forced to marry this rapist or face death by stoning. How do you feel about this?
Just don't say anything to your local cleric or you will stand in the pit with your daughter as they stone her to death.

If you think this is complete horse shit then you either need to read more about the topic, or go live in a muslim country for a while

Australia has taken in the English, the Italians, the Greeks, and a whole host of other countries. So far as I can see they are friendly and welcoming to just about anyone. But. Can you blame them for not wanting a bunch of self admitted rapists?

Sorry, but it's Islam too. If rape cannot be proven (requiring *four male witnesses* since female testimony is inadmissable) then the accusation of rape then becomes a confession of Zina (unlawful intercourse) on the part of the female victim, the punishment for which is often stoning. You can deny this is the case but this happens all the time in the Middle East. Clearly somebody over there agrees with this interpretation of the Shariah. Christianity has nothing to do with this topic. Let me know when you find a news article of a Christian stoning a woman to death for the crime of being raped.

Wish I still had my mod points with me that I didn't use - this would have been flamebait. The US destroys other countries all the time with nukes or other WMDs? Where? When?

If the US wanted to, they could have nuked the entire Muslim world after 9/11, given the popular mood in the country. They didn't, but instead, the Bush administration started pushing the Religion of Peace hogwash. I'm not suggesting that they should have wiped out any country the way Iran wants to do to Israel, but they should definitely have destroyed the military capability of Iran & Pakistan along with that of the Taliban. Today, the Obama admin continues that tradition. Democrat or Republican, both sides are ass kissers of one jihad side or the other. The Republicans brownnose the GCC emirs & sheikhs, who in turn fund anti-US activity throughout the Muslim empire, while the Democrats brownnose Hizbullah, Hamas and the Baathists.

No Muslim country should be having nukes. It's a major problem that Pakistan has it, and it'd be made worse by Iran getting it as well. With Communists, while they were evil, they were at least rational - they had the will to survive, and didn't have any martyrdom fantasies. When was the last time you heard of any Communist suicide bombers? The case of the Jihadis are different. Ahmadinejad is busy waiting for the Mahdi - the 12th Imam of the Shias, who he thinks is alive in a well in the Iranian city of Qum, and wants to have armageddon in order to accelarate his return. The Jihadis are not just evil, but irrational about it as well - they want to kill us and themselves, so MAD does not work here. You seriously want this regime to get the bomb just because of your rabid envy that only Western powers and their non-enemies - Russia, China & India - have it? And you think nuking other countries is funny, like you're playing a game of Civ?

The moral system you are alluding to, as understood in the context of the UN, is best exemplified by a fictitious island that has 10 men and 2 women. They have a vote on whether the men can rape the women @ will. The women object, but are outvoted, say 9-3 and so the 'fun' begins. So are the women immoral for not wanting to be raped? After all, theirs is the overwhelmed minority, which the island community has by & large rejected.

Substitute the 2 women with Israel & the US, and substitute the men with Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, Hizbullah, Hamas, Fatah and al Qaeda, and you'll get what I mean.

It's not made out of whole cloth, but based on what we actually see in nature. Further, the theory of evolution doesn't preclude a creator who intentionally uses evolution as their means of biological creation. A "creator line of thinking" is neither required nor rejected.

It is fundamentally opposed to any creator. There is no need for God in evolution.

On matters of physical theory and evidence, you have the possibility of being right. On this matter of logic, you do not. Theories do not have a need for anything, they are merely inert ideas.

On this matter we will just have to agree to disagree. This theory is not an inert idea, it is the basis of the building blocks of your entire world view. this one point will effect how you measure yourself and other people around you.
For example,
Your views: I am an animal and to all purposes a "monkey". There is nothing wrong in killing a monkey or pig, enslaving horses and sheep, or fellow humans. Germans fell for the view the jews where not true humans but less evolved sub humans (just like black people). There is no right or wrong, as they are only chemicals in your brain, there is no logic you can use to say stealing is wrong as you would then be trying to force your morals onto me. hence might is right. You entire existence is a mistake of nature on it's way to something better. (somehow, you still havn't told how yet.)

My views: I am a creature created in the image of God. I have a soul and I am above the animals in the world. I have a purpose (basically to entertain God), and I have a intrinsic value attached to me because I am human. All humans are made in the image of God so everyone has a significants attached to them. I am also flawed and done wrong, but I was also brought and saved from my wrongness with a large price. Hence I know I am deeply valued. I view the world as decaying away, as the evidence with NS & Mutations shows as observed.

Second, this is the sort of nonsense that eventually destroyed Islamic culture as a reasoning culture. They got a 13th century religious nut that decided no theory was valid, if it didn't elevate God to the level of prime mover. For example, Ghazali claimed that all causal events were the result of direct intervention by God. These events only seemed have a pattern because God's will is rational and consistent.

Islam is evil. Please dont try to drag this conversation into that direction unless you read up the history is islam (see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ if you really want to know more about it)

But even if the assertion above is completely true, it still doesn't mean that theories explaining how God's will operates to us have to require God or even are capable of requiring God. Ghazali excluded any attempt at physical theory which didn't evoke God, but he never had a good reason for doing so.

But let's rephrase evolution so that it meets your sensibilities.

Ok, lets try

God created the universe and its laws.

Agreed

He also created life on a planet called Earth through some mechanism which is beyond the scope of evolution

He spoke them into existence, Since the universe is a digital simulation, (computer program/ a thought of God maybe?) That would be possible then.

(but not beyond the scope of a theory called "abiogenesis") to explain.

Abio can't explain anything. the more it tries the more you relieased Life only comes from life. The more real you get, the impossible it becomes. hence an evolutionist needs faith that this happen because they know it's impossible. Go ahead, look at the chemistry experaments, They can now pr

There's been ~17.5k terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11. You can either bury your head in the sand, or realize that there's no 'small minority' and that "attacking the infidel's is mainstream." Islam needs to have a reformation, otherwise we'll end up where we were back before the crusades. Expansionist Islamists attacking the infidel's in order to take everything they have. Or rather that's what we're already seeing. I mean it only took Spain 200 years of relentless attacks against them, and then Muslims turning around and refusing to allow Christians the right to travel to holy sites that started the crusades in the first place.

Last I checked, Christians and Jews weren't the ones sending their children off with BOMBS strapped to their chest. Only when the mission has been successful, the mothers weep with pride and joy among their community as to what a great little martyr he became. Fucking savages!!!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Feel free look through these yearly logs. They're not petty, by a long shot.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

The source would seem to be http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ which seems rather unreliable, for instance, it counts incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan which are war zones without a functioning criminal justice system and also counts incidents like "policemen got shot" where you generally have no idea if that's just normal criminal activity.

it's gotten worse over the years despite nothing happening after 9/11.

Over 16,000 terrorist acts since 9/11. That's hardly "nothing". Still, I agree that the airline security stuff isn't helping matters any. They would be better off using all that money for investigating Islamist organisations like CAIR and doing away with the politically correct stupidity that keeps the DHS from using "islam" and "terrorist" in the same sentence. (Incidentally, at the time I write this, that website has an article about Wikileaks and Obama.)

As for this anonymous group, they're hurting Wikileaks more than helping them. To be honest, though, I don't think I care for what Wikileaks is starting to do. They need to quit concentrating on the US government (no government is perfect, and all governments do heinous crimes), and they need to stop releasing information that can be hazardous to human lives. Yes, there really IS information that doesn't need to be "out there". Example: Do you want bin Laden to know how to build a nuclear warhead? Admittedly, he might already, but is that desirable? Let's take it closer to the issues at hand: Do you really want bin Laden to know our troop movements and weaknesses in our military? Do you want our soldiers, who are only following orders, to come home alive? They've done some good things, but I think Assange is turning it into a self-serving opportunity for limelight.

Anonymous is just adding trouble to something that's already dangerous.

Islamist Terrorists have carried out more than 16051 deadly terror attacks since 9/11. (Source http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) Often groomed from early childhood to recite hatred towards infidels and that jews are descended from apes and pigs.. It is no wonder that study in the paramilitary arts includes engineering. Realistically, there is not much that can be done to stop this death cult from spreading--and spreading it is.

Religion of peace excerpts:

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Qur'an (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Qur'an (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Qur'an (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

And don't give me old testament bible, there is a new covenant out there that supersedes the old.

Posted AC 'cause the ROP ain't so P.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Your moral equivalence bullshit only works amongst the stupid. Where are the Christian terrorists?

I believe it's because while Judaism isn't particularly looking for converters, and Christianity is supposed to convert by example, Islam is more about forced conversion. Thus, even if they can't make you follow Islam in name, they will have you do it by deed.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/013-forced-conversion.htm

Frankly, I'm rather nervous about the future as stories like this continue to crop up. Islam is one of the faster-growing religions, and so either they'll win just by force of numbers, or there's going to be a religious war that'll be worse than any World War, since pretty much every country will be divided internally, thus preventing a unified front, or they'll be fully Islamic. Unless something fairly revelatory happens, the best I'm hoping for is the moderates who can tolerate the existence of other religions and beliefs win out over those who would follow Islam strictly.

Both funny and insightful. If you think I'm joking, just read through the Koran and Hadith some time and find out how much of it applauds killing anyone who doesn't believe their dogma, e.g., blowing up airplanes. To save you some time, just look at this page.

no criminal organization should be allowed to hide under the thin veil of religion

Islam anyone? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

Dear OSCT, please read the news before designating a religion as peaceful.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/History.htm

Just one example. I do not -NOT- expect you to just read and believe the above site. I would expect you to take 3 facts out of them at random, look at the references to muslim "holy" texts and see what they say.

Here's how one jew was treated by the paedophile prophet, just to give one example :

She was a very old woman, wife of Malik. Her daughter [and another] were also taken. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly by putting a rope between her legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two). (Ibn Ishaq 980)

Now look up whether that's true or not, and look up the context. In an unprovoked attack the paedophile prophet raided their village, enslaved it's women, killed every man, child and elderly person in despicable ways. Look up the story, read. Then ask a "nice, moderate, upstanding, ..." muslim if it was wrong to do so ...

Of course once you to that last part, there will be no way back to the comfort zone of "everybody's basically a nice person".

Those are the actions muslims imitate. That is what is called for every friday when they stick their asses up.

These are, by the way, the core of the ideology. It is *NOT* comparable to e.g. raping prisoners by some far away soldier. It is comparable to the constitution. These stories are the rules muslims live by, nothing less.

The rest of the world has plenty of reason to dislike America.

If you've traveled around the world, you will find most people that dislike America is because they *envy* us. Every year, we have people immigrating in droves to our country to live the dream. Or, at the very least, find a better life with opportunities that would never have been available previously. For those that don't like us for the sake of "just because", it's due to the King-of-the-mountain mentality. It's the whole "take the MAN down a notch".

In any event, it's all about human psychology. Once you view the world through that lens, everything else comes into clear focus. It's as simple as that. Most people around the world could give a rat's ass about our foreign policy. In fact, those that do care primarily are found in American campuses and other intelligentsia communities whom are the fringe minority (such as yourself).

Religious fervor may be a factor, but you'll notice they attacked the United States.

They went after America for symbolic reasons. Nothing more complicated than that.

They didn't attack the Hindus in India, or the Buddhists in China, or the Christians in Canada, all of whom are equally "deviant". There's a reason they went after America and not anyone else.

Your wrong.

Islamic extremism is a global phenomenon. China, India, Africa, Middle East, Europe, France, Russia, and other parts of Asia have all been victims of this twisted ideology. Check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ and scroll down to the bottom of the page. You will find a global tally of events and a yearly archive.

Really ? Why don't you tell us what reality is ? Because all these media seem to get the ball all wrong (well everybody certainly seems to agree all these facts are totally misguiding everyone)

The fact that the quran openly calls for genocide, and that these calls have been answered by muslims during their entire history, certainly doesn't help matters. But you're right. Most, if not 99% of islamic terror is muslims killing muslims for the most despicable of reasons, few having anything to do with religion. Money, fame, anger and especially shame cause muslims to murder eachother, but taking away the murder excuse that is islam would do no harm whatsoever.

That said, of course you're right every ten years or so there is a terrorist attack that isn't muslims killing for islam. Every now and then some communists kill around a bit. It's been a while though.

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

This week ONLY terrorist attacks. Since monday muslims murdered 70 people "for allah". Strangely enough there weren't any non-muslim terrorist attacks this week. Anyway here's the list :
10/16/2008 Pakistan Swat 5 15 A Fedayeen suicide car bomber rams into a police station, killing five Pakistanis.
10/15/2008 Iraq Karbala 22 0 A mass grave is discovered containing the bodies of twenty-two abducted shepherds
10/15/2008 Iraq Baghdad 7 18 A Mujahideen bomb blast and separate mortar attack on a mosque leave seven civilians dead.
10/15/2008 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 6 0 Six local police are taken out in a brutal Taliban ambush on their checkpoint.
10/15/2008 Pakistan Swat 2 0 The Taliban enter a home and murder a husband and wife.
10/15/2008 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Three people, including two brothers, are killed in two Jihad shooting attacks.
10/14/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 Religious extremists assassinate a government official who aids war widows.
10/14/2008 Afghanistan Uruzgan 9 6 Two children are among nine civilians murdered when Taliban bombers target a minibus.
10/14/2008 Philippines North Cotabato 1 0 Moro Islamists attack a Christian village, killing one civilian and driving many families from their homes.
10/14/2008 Pakistan Kabal 1 0 Sunni extremists abduct, torture and behead a local soldier.
10/14/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamists murder the driver of an aid agency.
10/14/2008 India Poonch 2 0 Mujahideen kill two local soldiers in separate ambushes.
10/13/2008 Afghanistan Ghazni 6 2 Religious extremists take out six civilians with a roadside blast.
10/13/2008 Pakistan Darra Adam Khel 1 4 A sudden Sunni rocket attack leaves a local security staff member dead.
10/13/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 2 23 Two African Union mission members are killed when Muslim militia attack their vehicles.
10/13/2008 Pakistan Murid Wal 1 0 A young man is forced by honor to kill his mother when she refuses to break off an 'illicit' relationship.

Strangely enough... we don't see similar numbers of attacks from Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Quakers, Amish, Jews, Zoroastrians or even Atheists.

No, those groups seem to prefer acts of genocide accomplished with organized armies. Much more civil, clearly. And much more peaceful, too. Oh, how much those savage Muslims have yet to learn.

That might be a valid point if we were talking about extended history... say over the last 1000 years or 2... but then the Zoroastrians haven't exactly been involved in much genocide or mass murder... nor have members of other faiths been explicitly acting in the name of their faith to kill in the same numbers as people claiming to be Muslims... especially in recent memory.

More so... of those groups who you have accused of such acts... notice something? They aren't acting that way today are they? Sure there are a few minor bad apples (the same can be said for any group of sufficient size)... they are not however acting in such numbers which is the key here... nor is there an overriding pattern which can be seen for hundreds of years...take the Barbary Pirates for one quick example.

If you'd really like to count... I'd take a look at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ a site that actually has a running count of the number of terror attacks world wide since 9/11... as of the writing of this post we are at 11,140.

And how do we define a terror attack? Is it when you cluster bomb urban areas? Is it dropping nuclear bombs? Supporting brutal paramilitaries? Blockading food and medicine transports?

"Nyeh, the US is the biggest purveyor of terrorism in history. I know you want to say it, so why don't you?"

Even if you don't believe the above assumed quote... you have little understanding of warfare do you?

Terrorism is generally defined as a violent act committed by non-state actors against other either state actors, non-state actors or the state itself to try to coerce by terror.

What's the difference between that and oh say... dropping a nuclear bomb or other emotional charges you make?

Simple... the desired outcome and the method of achieving it.

It has long been a convention of warfare that explicitly targeting civilian populations violates the rules of warfare... in fact such a deliberate act is even considered a war crime... why then is it acceptable to drop bombs on a civilian center? Historically it's been done to eliminate targets of interest that the opposition has located there (weapon stockpiles, factories, etc). Do note that hiding behind civilians is also considered a war crime.

Believe it or not the US has a long history of doing so (don't bother trying to come up with a single example in an attempt to disprove the rule (exceptions always unfortunately exist); I am speaking in generalities of history and warfare and not absolute rules.

In this current war the enemy has made it a point to explicitly target civilians for no other purpose but to injur/kil them.

See the difference yet?

Of course not... you are so angry with the United States and it's policies that you are more keen to blame it and it's allies for crimes you perceive long ago than look at the state of the world today and see that while the United States has changed and left many of it's (algid) sins in the past... the enemy continues to be as barbaric as they have historically been.

In fact, why only count terror attacks? Surely all violent attacks should be tallied to see which religion produces most violence in this world.

Again you try to change the topic... if you want to run a tally based on violence from members of various religions denominations, by all means... do please use the measure I described in my first post... acts explicitly committed in the name of their religion.

Strangely enough... we don't see similar numbers of attacks from Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Quakers, Amish, Jews, Zoroastrians or even Atheists.

No, those groups seem to prefer acts of genocide accomplished with organized armies. Much more civil, clearly. And much more peaceful, too. Oh, how much those savage Muslims have yet to learn.

If you'd really like to count... I'd take a look at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ a site that actually has a running count of the number of terror attacks world wide since 9/11... as of the writing of this post we are at 11,140.

And how do we define a terror attack? Is it when you cluster bomb urban areas? Is it dropping nuclear bombs? Supporting brutal paramilitaries? Blockading food and medicine transports?

In fact, why only count terror attacks? Surely all violent attacks should be tallied to see which religion produces most violence in this world.

What do you reckon the results would look like then?

I don't think anyone is denying the Oklahoma City bombing or any other terrorist attack (or attempted terrorist attack that was committed by non-Muslims... what you're forgetting is that there is a great number of attacks that are committed by Muslims who claim to be doing so in the name of their religion.

Strangely enough... we don't see similar numbers of attacks from Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Quakers, Amish, Jews, Zoroastrians or even Atheists.

Why is that do you think?

Funny you mentioned the DC Sniper case... forget the leaders name have we? John Allen Muhammad. Just another lone Muslim killer eh? Seems to be a whole lot of them: http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/31/myth-of-the-lone-muslim-killer/

If you'd really like to count... I'd take a look at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ a site that actually has a running count of the number of terror attacks world wide since 9/11... as of the writing of this post we are at 11,140... remind what group of people have recently used children or the mentally retarded as suicide bombers? Oh that that's right... those damn Catholics... no wait...

And remember... none of this discounts the fact that the vast vast vast majority of Muslims out there are peaceful... it only means that a terrorist act is more likely to be committed by one of them and no amount of crying from the ACLU, CAIR or even you is going to change that... only the members of Islam can do that for them by changing the way they preach and practice their faith as a group.

I suggest reading this site. Not all Muslims are radical crazies, but it's also not true that the religion has nothing to do with making certain elements radical crazies. Islam needs to learn tolerance, not the other way around.

Why I did not see protests like this?
According to: The Religion of Peace, since 9/11 more then 10541 deadly attacks were carried out by ISLAMIC terrorists.

How many people were killed by Church of Scientology?
Just want to know which one is more deadly...

/Z

You think it's a bad reason to accuse jews or irish and harass them, send them to torture camps as soon as you think they might be a threat to your comfort? On the other hand when it concerns muslims it's normal... So where exactly is that limit between normal and not? Is it when your skin is not the right color? Your beard too long? Or is it the religion?

That doesn't make any rational or logical sense. Just because Hitler was a crazy person who persecuted the Jews for no reason doesn't mean that it's exactly the same thing with Muslims. By the way, I don't remember saying that Muslims should be sent to death camps or that they should be opposed because they're a "threat to your comfort."

It's people like you who are responsible for the rise of Sadam, Hitler, Bush and other despots. You justification is: there are "good" reasons to persecution. Hitler shared your point of view.

Depends on how you define persecution. You don't seem to have a problem with the way Muslims persecute people, though. I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the way religious minorities are treated in Islamic societies.

Instead of going after the people who failed to act (or juts let things happen that 9/11 to get the convenient war propaganda), you let your rights burn, you justify your own oppression, you take the lies about terrorism in Iraq as granted (the only terrorists active in Iraq were backed by the US and were acting to replace Sadam by a more cooperative dictator, just like in the very well documented coup against Mohammed Mossadegh which led to the current Iranian situation). You support the american terrorism. You can't recognise a failed leader when you see one, Bush speaks in YOUR name, he acts in YOUR name.

Newsflash: I'm not American. I'm Northern European.

This matter has hardly anything to do with 9/11, Bush, Iraq or the US. You're clearly way out of your depth in this discussion.

You can't count any of those in Iraq or Afghanistan as these are part of the war and civil war process.. Otherwise you would have to count every person killed by us troops as a victims of US terrorists activities.

The statistics only count incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan where particularly heinous terrorist tactics were used. However, Iraq and Afghanistan are just two places. Islamic terrorism is global. Thailand is a notable hotspot, though.

There's a dramatic difference between what terrorists and US forces are doing. The terrorists routinely, deliberately and indiscriminately target civilians because they're waging Jihad against infidels or heretics. They also have no qualms about using innovative tactics like child suicide bombers. US forces, as a rule, do not deliberately kill civilians, and it's not legal for them to do so. One reason for collateral damage and accidental killings in Iraq is the situation that has been caused by terrorists. Any person US forces come in contact with can be hostile. Any car that comes near could be set to explode. It's really easy to armchair criticize them when you're not in that situation. If the terrorists would cease their Jihad efforts, Iraq would be a much more peaceful place.

he british were saying that. Anyway the IRA vs UDA/british government was a war over national independence and political influence. What happens in Iraq now is exactly the same thing... but instead of one IRA there are dozens of clans and politicians with their own armies. I don't believe even one tenth of the bombings in that country would be driven only by religion. Sadam had focused on nationalism driving religion away from the government. He had most extremists executed or broken, I don't see how so many people would have changed into religious fanatics overnight. But seeing abuses committed by your troops and the overall chaos and destruction of their nation might have

Some other web-pages:

• http://thereligionofpeace.com/
• http://www.jihadwatch.org/
• http://www.islam-watch.org/
• http://www.faithfreedom.org/
• http://frontpagemagazine.com/
• http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/
• http://counterterrorismblog.org/

There's a huge difference between a fundamental Christian who thinks he's trying to save your soul because you're not Christian and a fundamental Muslim who's trying to lop off your head because you're not Muslim.

Christian nutcases don't in general have murder and mayhem on their mind. Muslim nutcases tend to not only have that on their mind, they tend to act on their thoughts.

All religions are NOT equal.

I'm curious how being against a religion is racist?

A very good question! You'll see that charge frequently from dhimmis and other such "progressive" Islamic apologists when they are faced with legitimate criticisms against the despicable religion of Islam. Everyone knows that Islam isn't a race (unless you account for Arab supremacy which is found among many Muslims, but that's a different discussion), so the charge of "racism" as a response to criticism against Islam seems illogical. Let's delve into the weird religion of "progressivism" so you understand where that retarded accusation comes from.

To "progressives", all of society's problems stem from discrimination. If you like someone more than someone else, or even disapprove of anything someone does, that's "discrimination". Likewise, if you decide to commit genocide against all Jews or enslave all black people, that's also "discrimination". Hence, all discrimination the same thing as genocide or slavery. It helps to think of discrimination as "sin" in the "progressive" religion. Therefore, all "racism" (the definition of that word is slippery, of course) is also tantamount to genocide or slavery. And everyone knows that genocide is what Hitler did (forget that Jew-bashing has become trendy among the more ultra-nuanced "progressives"), so discrimination = racism = Hitler. In other words, "progressive" morality is Godwin's law turned into an ideology.

So, if you don't like anything about Islam, then you're being discriminatory, you little Eichmann. (The fact that many Muslims have dark-colored skin helps the "Muslims are victims" meme.)

Here you're probably going to say, "But progressives discriminate against Faux News and Evangelical Christians, so what you say is bunk!" Hey buddy, back off. No one said it had to make sense! Do you see Christian Evangelicals explaining how Jesus can be fully god and fully man simultaneously? This isn't reason we're talking about here. It's religion!

Do Christians en masse support such violence? Yes or no?

Do Christians en masse dance in the street and hand out candy when 3,000 civilians are MURDERED? Yes or no?

Got the balls to answer any of those questions?

The post I was replying to was trying to claim Christians are violent. As if the reactions to "Piss Christ" were anything near the reactions to fake reports of flushing one single Koran. (Hey, Islamofascists - I use the Koran for toilet paper! HA HA!)

And the site that post implicitly claimed as authoritative had a column that tracked picketing events in a table of "violence and harassment". So, claims from that site are dubious at best.

And I'll freely admit that http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ is hardly an unbiased site. But even if only 10% of their claims are correct, that's one helluva stinging indictment of Islam. And we all know that they're correct on a helluva lot more than 10% of their claims.

Guess how many major world religions actively set out to claim non-members are sub-human and deserving of death? (And, FWIW, that a woman is worth only half of a man as a basic part of their theology...) Guess how many major world religions actively set out to breed suicide bombers?

I'm sorry, but your attempt at moral relativism has failed utterly. To put it simply and irrefutably, "turn the other cheek" != "72 virgins".

Dance all you want. You can't refute that.

I'll see your claims of 24 murders over the past 20 years, and raise it.

And you really have to wonder about a site that tracks "Number of Incidents of Picketing" as evidence of "violence and harassment". I guess free speech is OK for you, but not for anyone who disagrees with you. :-P

The "Weekly Jihad Report" for the week of June 23-29 lists 62 acts of Islamic terrorism, claiming 320 lives and 420 critically injured.

That's just one week.

320 people KILLED by Islamic extremists. In just ONE WEEK.

Here you go, you blithering naif:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

I'll see your claims of 24 murders over the past 20 years, and raise it.

And you really have to wonder about a site that tracks "Number of Incidents of Picketing" as evidence of "violence and harassment". I guess free speech is OK for you, but not for anyone who disagrees with you. :-P

The "Weekly Jihad Report" for the week of June 23-29 lists 62 acts of Islamic terrorism, claiming 320 lives and 420 critically injured.

That's just one week.

320 people KILLED by Islamic extremists. In just ONE WEEK.

Here you go, you blithering naif:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

That is just nonsense. They hate that their holy lands are invaded by troops and that the Middle East has been occupied by the "free world" (as you would refer to it) for quite some time. If they really hated freedom, they would very likely turn to the Hindu countries and the majority of Asia that does not practice Islam. Why go halfway around the world to state a point when you got non-Islamic neighbors? Your argument is the typical war mongering propaganda that Bush has deployed on the U.S., because if you are correct, you can only fight them by killing them. Thankfully, you are full of it.

Reality is a bitch isn't it? Go on, take your time to gloss over the many Islamic terror events around the world including Asia and India. The logs are so vast, they're broken up by yearly events in a nice HTML package for you. Go on, don't be afraid... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Why is it perfectly ok to offend the people who the tragedy happened to, but not ok to offend people who deny it ever happened to begin with?

What's more, why is it not okay to offend people who perpetrate tragedy at a surprisingly disproportionate (not to mention theologically-justified) rate?

(Answer: craven fear and militant denial are much more powerful than a genuine desire not to offend. "I don't want to get my head cut off, so maybe I should entertain the notion that all Jews are Nazis and the Holocaust never happened...")

The US military is a radical-producing machine.

BULL *FUCKING* Shit!!!!

You need to learn a few things about radical islam, and not some anti-american bullshit you read on Slashdot. You're so Indoctrinated with BS, you're as bad as they are, only the non-violent kind.

I suggest everyone take a look at current events around the world. Here, let me help with this link. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

If I understood it correctly, according to this law "hate speech" shall be forbidden in EU.
If there is a book in which is written that you shall hate people of other faith then clearly this book shall be forbidden by this law.
I'm right? So, could someone in EU take care of this book?:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_H ate.htm
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/fa twah_story.asp?service_id=449

/Joss

Sure, they wrecked one building... In how many years? Just shrug it off, don't reward them with attention because that's all they want, attention.

Check out this site here.

They have done far more than wreck one building.

No you are all wrong, Islam is a religion of peace http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Bushitlerchimpco says so all the time.

Everything you state is forbidden by some religion or another. So perhaps this will help by making people less dependant on idiotic religions ( http://thereligionofpeace.com/ ) and more on knowledge.