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heya,

Haha, gosh, another Chinese Communist Party Lackey *grins*. They're probably paying you what, 10 yuan a day to post here? I jest.

Seriously though, I'm not sure where this ideas above it's station idea comes form? Weird. Reads like some weird Confucianistic moral tale about how people shouldn't be aspirational and should stick to their caste or something. We left those ideas behind what, a thousand years ago?

Anyhow, Google actually does a lot of good - far more than any other tech company, and in fact, far more than any company in many industries, full-stop. They've contributed consistently to the open-source community, and they've consistently been quite transparent in how they operate. They've even publically admitted being wrong on quite a few occasions - e.g. how they handled the Wifi debacle. They're not perfect, as aforesaid debacle shows, but I'd pretty sure they can take the moral high ground here against the CCP. Oh, and they've been *very* consistent from the beginning about how they feel about the free flow of information.

I'd hazard a guess that they might have contributed more to the good of society than either you or I, my friend. When death comes to claim you or I, I'm not sure whether we'd make a bigger footnote in history than Google, sad as that sounds. *shrugs*.

And interesting you should mention phishing. Man, if I had a nickel for every time some Chinese mainland idiot tried to phish or con me, I'd be richer than Ellisson, lol. I mean, take a case in point, look at this idiot, yaocard, from the mainland who tried to pass off fake 2Gb MicroSD cards as 32Gb.

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=yaocard&Dirn=Received+by
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6838353&postcount=33
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6838938&postcount=34

Right, and after I confronted them about their fraud, they first tried to bribe me for USD10 to remove their negative feedback, and then said God would bless my family many times if I removed it. It's actually kind of comical, their attempts at fraud/lying.

And China has standards? Please. I assume here you're referring to how the government in China operates. There's a distinction there to Chinese culture which I have a lot of respect for because...err...I'm Chinese? Haha. The government twists the standards how it sees fit. Unless things have changed since I've been back, they're woefully corrupt, hopelessly bureaucratic, and will engage in thuggish/bullying behaviour to make you comply with whatever serves the official you're currently dealing with.. Hardly the hallmarks of a transparent government that only cares for the wellbeing of its people.

Cheers,
Victor

Probably most everybody knows about this site by now, but Toolhaus's Negative/Neutral Feedback is indispensable if you're still on eBay. Any volume seller will have problem customers, but at least you can tell if the problems are consistent.

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=brilun&D irn=Received+by

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Dirn=Received+by& User=*cisco*networking Toolhaus.org Negative/Neutral Feedback received by *cisco*networking Enter an eBay user ID: Feedback Score: 524 Positive Feedback: 99.8% Members who left a positive: 525 Members who left a negative: 1 All positive feedback received: 758 762 feedback received by *cisco*networking (2 ratings mutually withdrawn) Comment From Date / Time Item # Looks ok, the screws dont quite screw in though Buyer scouserholmes ( 77Feedback score is 50 to 99) Nov-12-05 03:22 5819534590 Rating Mutually Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more. Dec-23-05 21:25 Negative feedback rating COUNTERFEIT EQUIPMENT. AVOID. COUNTERFEIT EQUIPMENT. REPORTING TO CISCO Buyer pm-networks(private) Oct-07-05 03:33 5815299687 Reply by *cisco*networking: Vicious comment due to unprincipled competition Oct-13-05 03:32 Neutral feedback rating purchased via second chance offer from another buyer. did not purchase Buyer eray0967 ( 7 ) Sep-24-05 11:47 5811780327 Reply by *cisco*networking: never pay for this item Oct-13-05 03:36 Has this shipped to us yet? My records say that we haven't received it. Buyer d-j-anderson12 ( 5 ) Jul-27-05 10:25 5788004153 Reply by *cisco*networking: goods shipped via Fedex 848559713321, a misunderstanding due to wrong address Jul-29-05 02:53 Rating Mutually Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more. Aug-19-05 15:05 Total: 2 Negative or Neutral That took 0:04 (user 3, sys 0.2) [Killed-/graphics/vi-tag.gif-by-size] whb@haus.org negs ver. 5.66, Last modified 2005/12/12 00:06:10 (UTC)

Check out Toolhaus. I always use that when making any sort of large purchase and have found that it's pretty helpful.

Speaking of trust systems: I've had excellent results with ebay - buying from reputable sellers. There are quite a few chinese/hong kong sellers on there with 10-50k transactions and 1-10 negative feedbacks. I don't know *any* brick and mortar stores with those kinds of numbers.

Unfortunately PriceRitePhoto also sells on Ebay with a 99% approval rating on almost 5000 feedbacks. They have 32 negatives but I do notice that it says (145 ratings mutually withdrawn). Could this be the result of more harassment? A little research yields:

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=pricerit ephoto&v=60

I especially like this response.

" CALLED ME A MORON- six times & SAID ILL KEEP THE CAMERA & YOUR MONEY- E FOR MORE"

Check out the negative feedback they've left:

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=pricerit ephoto&Dirn=Left+by

There are definitely some shady business practices going on there.

Speaking of trust systems: I've had excellent results with ebay - buying from reputable sellers. There are quite a few chinese/hong kong sellers on there with 10-50k transactions and 1-10 negative feedbacks. I don't know *any* brick and mortar stores with those kinds of numbers.

Unfortunately PriceRitePhoto also sells on Ebay with a 99% approval rating on almost 5000 feedbacks. They have 32 negatives but I do notice that it says (145 ratings mutually withdrawn). Could this be the result of more harassment? A little research yields:

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=pricerit ephoto&v=60

I especially like this response.

" CALLED ME A MORON- six times & SAID ILL KEEP THE CAMERA & YOUR MONEY- E FOR MORE"

Check out the negative feedback they've left:

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=pricerit ephoto&Dirn=Left+by

There are definitely some shady business practices going on there.