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The original poster got TWcable and twtelecom mixed up. But they have that: http://www.twtelecom.com/

According to Level 3's write-up on the subject, TW Telcom has a very large metro fiber network that spans many key cities. They offer some fairly high end services up to 100g: http://www.twtelecom.com/telec...

I Boycott all of them EXCEPT TimeWarner Telcom (NOT the phone division of TWC)

http://www.twtelecom.com/ is for leased lines and other stuff they where another company and bought up by the massive TW conglomeration..

unlike the other parts of TW they have yet to turn into greed feed monsters.. we use them at work for PRI's and they provide a quality reliable product at a fair price and have good customer and tech support.

unlike TWCable who when i disconnected service because they where charging me ~125$ a month for basic net and 13 cable channels .. billed me for a month after the service was off - charged me a disconnect fee for the tech coming out and disconnecting it (at the curb) and billed me for "unreturned" equipment when i did not have a cable box and the modem i was using was my own wic card.. (they never provided a modem to start with 10 years ago when i first singed up). then after i called and complained they said it would be "handled" and within two weeks i started getting calls from a collection agency about it.. and TWCable to this day says they didn't send it to collection.. and hell no i didn't pay them.. it took me 3 months to get it cleared up.. and they still won't admit fault.

also for fun i boycott Sony as well..

Reader beware, I am completely talking out of my ass here. For all I know, Charter, Time Warner and Comcast all have their own backbones. I doubt it, but it could happen.

Time Warner Telecom is a level 1 provider. I think that they own Time Warner Cable (or are their backbone).

TWTC most certainly does provide VoIP services. http://twtelecom.com/cust_solutions/services/one_s olution.html So, I call BS on you. Althought I'm pretty damn sure Google has not been setting up any big deal with TWTC.

How can a company compete when the playing field is not level?

Have you checked into Time Warner?

They have Metro Area ethernet in a lot of major cities, and pricing is damn good. Here in Minneapolis, I can do gigabit Fibre Channel between offices. Now that's just damn cool. Not sure about little rock, but it may be worth looking into. Time Warner Telecom has the benefit of being able to use Time Warner Cable's right-of-way. Which means that when they run fiber, they don't have to get permits and go through as much hassle because in the early 80's cable companies were granted huge rights which allowed them to pretty much run cable wherever they pleased without having to get permits. And, if your location makes business sense to TW, they will finance the cost of the install (like if there are other large potential customers in your building).

Although, for the recurring monthly cost of a link like this, after 10 to 12 months, you could have just paid for that wireless solution you were looking at. Keep in mind 802.15.3 wireless is coming out soon too, which will drop costs dramatically.

Blacklists don't suppress speech. No one forces you or your ISP to use the blacklists or to refuse e-mail from IP addresses listed on them. I use blacklists and my server may reject messages from you. So what? You have no Constitutionally guaranteed right to use my server to deliver your message. It's my private property, just as your ISP's server is their property.

But never mind all that, just suppose that we do allow owners of networks and servers absolute control of what passes over their wires. Is that something you really want? Sure, it gives them the power to shut down spam. But it also gives them the power to control what web sites their users can access. Or what their users can put on their own web sites. Now, if hardware is owned by a private company and all its users are employees who are supposed to be using the internet to do their jobs, I suppose you have to grant that company a large measure of control. But if we're talking about public ISPs, then we're talking about something very scary. These ISPs, if they coordinated their efforts, and were allowed to totally control whatever passes over their wires, could do something that governments have repeatedly tried and failed to do: censor the internet.

A few years ago, there was a site called blackdeath.org that offended certain parties with its anti-Christian rants. Who demanded that their ISP pull the plug. When the ISP declined, they went to the ISP's backbone provider. Which happened to be owned by a major media company. Now, media companies are not fans of censorship, but they like offending people even less -- they might complain to the FCC, or worse, stop watching TV. So the backbone provider told the ISP to pull the plug on blackdeath.org, or else they'd lose their own internet service, and be forced out of business. Naturally they complied. Blackdeath.org went dark, briefly came back with a low-bandwidth provider, then finally disappeared forever.

This really scared me at the time, since the internet backbone had been consolidated into just a few big companies, most of them with the same censorship-prone connections as the Time Warner backbone. Since then, the backbone situation has gotten a little more competitive. But with the trend to consolidate more and more communications into fewer and fewer companies, I wouldn't get to sanguine. And I'd look for solutions to the spam problem that emphasizes individual, not central, control over network traffic.

And RoadRunner is in no way related to a telecom...oh wait.

Though as of the last time I read their agreement (which they were kind enough to announce to me they had updated, via snailmail), They don't care.

Funny someone posting with a users.sf.net email account dosnt know about twtelecom, they mirror a lot of sf.