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As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

As you can see, it's a lot closer than this article would lead you to believe. The Wii sold in huge numbers its first 2 weeks, and it's now dropped off. The PS3 has held steady. They're almost neck and neck at this point.

Those are actual sales, not "surveys".

These are actual sales numbers in Japan too ... They're not nearly neck in neck

Wii ( 158,750 ) vs. PS3 ( 68,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 07th January 2007
Wii ( 135,250 ) vs. PS3 ( 61,250 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 31st December 2006
Wii ( 286,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 76,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 24th December 2006
Wii ( 100,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 72,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 17th December 2006
Wii ( 103,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 49,000 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 10th December 2006
Wii ( 368,500 ) vs. PS3 ( 31,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 03rd December 2006
PS3 ( 35,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 26th November 2006
PS3 ( 43,500 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 19th November 2006
PS3 ( 86,750 ) Japanese Chart for Week Ending 12th November 2006

Total: Wii ( 1,153,000 ) vs. PS3 ( 525,250 )

Wii Hardware vs PS3 Hardware
Wii Software vs PS3 Software

Now if you believe this and this the Wii is selling every unit it ships while there are PS3 units on the shelf which means that the Wii could sell more if Nintendo could build more units.

It may not be the case for long but currently the Wii is owning the PS3 in Japan.

http://nexgenwars.com/
http://www.vgcharts.org/
Any other tech news site, such as this. Take their statistics, add them all up, and take the average. You decide.

"Despite this, the data on VG Charts is unofficial and in some cases incomplete."
Of course the original poster didn't link to his sales stats at all.
You all know what they say about statistics.

According to this 1.41 million have sold. That would be a 590,000 surplus worldwide. That is providing they gave the US as many as they gave fans in Japan. Logic would dictate that Japan would get more, but calling them even would be a conservative estimate.

This makes far less sense than the /. collective data. Who gives a shit about sales figures if PS3s aren't selling?

Portland, Oregon -> No Wiis, many PS3s

Vancouver, Washington -> No Wiis, many PS3s.

And then there is this. Is is basically what you are asking for.

Be sure to cite it in further discussion on this topic.

Overall sales a bit more telling.

Check out The VGCharts guys number

Those seem to mirror what I read on other sites. Wii coming up on 3 to 1 over PS3 in units sold.

Maybe MS is also thinking "Gee, those guys who put the fun in the box are doing pretty good.. aren't these supposed to be fun?!?"

http://nexgenwars.com/

and

http://www.vgcharts.org/

The article you quote states "has likely sold over 1.2 million", which to me says "we don't have all the numbers, but do have this figure." It is also the lowest number I've ever seen when talking about Wii sells. Considering that Nintendo stated that they would ship 4 million (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?s tory=11510) by the end of 2006, and there have been no reports of Nintendo falling well short of that number, the numbers I'm quoting a within the ballpark. While you're 1.2 million seems to be parking the car.

Uh, only if you're the site's 18 year old admin - who's just guessing anyway.

http://www.vgcharts.org/ actually has some valid data behind their numbers.

So, if at the end of the year, they hope to have a grand total of 6 million shipped, and saying that no one buys another 360, Sony will barely have over half as many units out there as MS. Those aren't promising numbers to me at all. Consider Wii sold 2 million in approx. 2 months. Sony needs 14 months to do what the Wii will most likely do in 6 months.

You're aware, aren't you, that Sony's "core audience" is defined by about a hundred million PlayStation 2 consoles? Sheesh. I'm one of those PS2 owners, and I'm holding out on the PS3 for myriad reasons (the lack of a hit game being the main reason -- Resistance just isn't my type of game), so I think Sony might have some bumps in the road for the PS3 too, but it's a little early to be writing the obits.

That's simply not correct, Sony's core audience is the people who bought the Playstation or PS2 based on the strength of Sony's first and second party developers. If you look at the sales charts for SCEA ( here ) you'll notice that they have a lot of games that sell well but, except for Grand Turismo, none of their games "define" the PS2; when you look at the total PS2 chart ( here ) you'll notice that Take 2, Square, EA, Konami, and Activision were all heavily responsible for attracting gamers to the PS2.

You're aware, aren't you, that Sony's "core audience" is defined by about a hundred million PlayStation 2 consoles? Sheesh. I'm one of those PS2 owners, and I'm holding out on the PS3 for myriad reasons (the lack of a hit game being the main reason -- Resistance just isn't my type of game), so I think Sony might have some bumps in the road for the PS3 too, but it's a little early to be writing the obits.

That's simply not correct, Sony's core audience is the people who bought the Playstation or PS2 based on the strength of Sony's first and second party developers. If you look at the sales charts for SCEA ( here ) you'll notice that they have a lot of games that sell well but, except for Grand Turismo, none of their games "define" the PS2; when you look at the total PS2 chart ( here ) you'll notice that Take 2, Square, EA, Konami, and Activision were all heavily responsible for attracting gamers to the PS2.

The playstation did recover from a slow start but it did not have strong competition. When the Playstation was released the main competition was the Saturn and in Japan there was a close battle for a little over 2 years before the overall dominance of the Playstation was ensured; the main reason for this was that in North America and Europe the Saturn was dead on arrival and developers who had an interest in selling games outside of Japan were (essentially) forced to choose the Playstation over the Saturn.

At the same time, the N64 didn't launch until the Playstation had been on the market for 18 months; with this lead time the Playstation was already becomming accepted and had sold over 2.5 Million units in Japan, 1.5 Million in North America and (IIRC) 1.5 Million in Europe and was already becomming the favourite platform of third party developers.

Essentially, it could be argued that the PS3 is launching in an environment similar to the N64 did against the Playstation (where the PS3=N64 and Playstation=XBox 360) and at the same time competing directly against the PS2 (where the Wii is the PS2) ultimately the slow start is far different this time than it was with the Playstation vs. the Saturn.

The playstation did recover from a slow start but it did not have strong competition. When the Playstation was released the main competition was the Saturn and in Japan there was a close battle for a little over 2 years before the overall dominance of the Playstation was ensured; the main reason for this was that in North America and Europe the Saturn was dead on arrival and developers who had an interest in selling games outside of Japan were (essentially) forced to choose the Playstation over the Saturn.

At the same time, the N64 didn't launch until the Playstation had been on the market for 18 months; with this lead time the Playstation was already becomming accepted and had sold over 2.5 Million units in Japan, 1.5 Million in North America and (IIRC) 1.5 Million in Europe and was already becomming the favourite platform of third party developers.

Essentially, it could be argued that the PS3 is launching in an environment similar to the N64 did against the Playstation (where the PS3=N64 and Playstation=XBox 360) and at the same time competing directly against the PS2 (where the Wii is the PS2) ultimately the slow start is far different this time than it was with the Playstation vs. the Saturn.

I must say, that is quite impressive that Microsoft has shipped 10 Million consoles in the world in 13 months ...

It's not like it's possible for a company to sell 1.0 Million units in Japan in a month, 2 Million units in North America in 6 weeks and over a Million units in Europe in 4 weeks ...

No wait, it is ...

The Wii has almost sold half as many units as Microsoft has shipped for the XBox 360 in a tiny fraction of the time ...

The XBox 360 is not doomed, but its performance is unimpressive ... ( XBox 360 vs PS2)

http://www.vgcharts.org/

http://nexgenwars.com/

I've seen this behavior in quite a lot of people who'd I'd label "fanboys". Curiously, I see these traits far more often in Apple and Nintendo supporters and less often in Linux, Microsoft and Sony supporters. I'm not sure why.

You don't recognize a negative trait in yourself, only in others? I'm flabbergasted!

And yes, the japanese numbers are relevant because:

• Japan is one of the big three areas (although the smallest behind US and Europe)
• Good sales numbers in Japan mean important games like Dragon Quest and FF are coming to a console
• These numbers are correct

Besides, the difference between the DS and the PSP is so huge in Japan, it's almost impossible for Sony to make up for it in other areas, and, well, they aren't.

I agree with you and have seen this type of behavior myself (people with no interest in games wanting a Wii) but I think this is the reason why I find it so difficult to predict when the Wii will become available.

With the PS2, PS3 and XBox 360 I have a pretty well established understanding on how the people who are buying these systems will react to certain events; surrounding the release of big games the sales will spike, as the price drops the spikes will become larger and the "average" number of systems sold will increase, at "Christmas" nearly 50% of hardware sales will occur within a 6 week period and will crash (to the yearly low point) for 6 to 8 weeks following. "New" gamers will likely react quite differently than "Traditional" gamers and will likely have their own set of "big games" which does not match a "Traditional" gamers "big games" (say Wario Ware: Smooth Moves or Wii Play may be huge for the non-gamer crowd). Even how non-gamers buy games does not match how traditional gamers buy games because game sales are not front loaded.

I don't think anyone should be surprised that the new Xbox sales are lagging behind the first one's.

That used to be true, but since the XBox 360 has gotten it's supply problems taken care of it has been selling better and has amost recovered from the bumpy first several months.

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X36 0&name2=XB&type=2

. Or that the two weeks before Christmas there are giant stacks of unsold Xbox 360s at their local Frys as of yesterday.

Show me a system which has been out for a year and doesn't keep their system in stock over the holiday season ...

The benefit of being an established system is that your supply problems have been worked out and you can ensure a supply of Millions of units for the christmas season; if the XBox 360 was sold out it would show remarkably bad management.

You would think the obscene flood of marketing money would get Microsoft something better.

Outside of Japan they seem to be doing pretty decently ... Maybe not the most successful platform in the world, but it is profitable and reasonably popular ...

### Nintendo (over the past 18 months) has completely turned around and is amazingly successful by practically every measure.

Hm, comparing charts that way makes the NintendoDS actually look more like a failure, then a success, Wii is still a little to young to judge:

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=DS& name2=GBA&type=2

As has been pointed out, Blue Dragon only outsold Zelda in Blue Dragon's launch week. Zelda sold 146,250* in its launch week last week, compared to 80,000 for Blue Dragon this week.

Incidentally, if you use the console comparison thing, the 360's 1 year launch lead wasn't a helpful factor for Blue Dragon, as the Wii had an installed base lead of 170,000 after its launch week; almost all of that launch day, for that matter. The lead is probably a little smaller now - Blue Dragon has been heavily marketed and bundled so it'll be a good week for 360s, and I don't know how many Wiis Nintendo is shipping to Japan weekly. Still, I haven't seen the charts themselves, just seen the vague references in the article.

*(Note: Link appears to point to a page that changes weekly; I couldn't find a permalink. 03 Dec is the Wii Launch Week).

As has been pointed out, Blue Dragon only outsold Zelda in Blue Dragon's launch week. Zelda sold 146,250* in its launch week last week, compared to 80,000 for Blue Dragon this week.

Incidentally, if you use the console comparison thing, the 360's 1 year launch lead wasn't a helpful factor for Blue Dragon, as the Wii had an installed base lead of 170,000 after its launch week; almost all of that launch day, for that matter. The lead is probably a little smaller now - Blue Dragon has been heavily marketed and bundled so it'll be a good week for 360s, and I don't know how many Wiis Nintendo is shipping to Japan weekly. Still, I haven't seen the charts themselves, just seen the vague references in the article.

*(Note: Link appears to point to a page that changes weekly; I couldn't find a permalink. 03 Dec is the Wii Launch Week).

Thanks for the information.

I think this is a huge success for them and hopefully will do much to improve Microsoft's standing there...

That said, here's some perspective on this exciting news.

He's the man primarily responsible for bringing Microsoft successfully into the console industry.

I suppose the question is whether Microsoft can actually be considered to be successfully in the console industry. The XBox 360 (for the most part) has performed worse than the original XBox and is only now catching up to where they were last generation:

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X36 0&name2=XB&type=2

And the XBox 360 is not selling near the pace of the PS2

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X36 0&name2=PS2&type=2

The point is that Peter Moore has not made the XBox successful by any real measure, whereas Nintendo (over the past 18 months) has completely turned around and is amazingly successful by practically every measure. The article seemed to be poorly though out, written, with arbitrary placement for most of the people on the list.

He's the man primarily responsible for bringing Microsoft successfully into the console industry.

I suppose the question is whether Microsoft can actually be considered to be successfully in the console industry. The XBox 360 (for the most part) has performed worse than the original XBox and is only now catching up to where they were last generation:

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X36 0&name2=XB&type=2

And the XBox 360 is not selling near the pace of the PS2

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X36 0&name2=PS2&type=2

The point is that Peter Moore has not made the XBox successful by any real measure, whereas Nintendo (over the past 18 months) has completely turned around and is amazingly successful by practically every measure. The article seemed to be poorly though out, written, with arbitrary placement for most of the people on the list.

I thought I should clarify the statement:

"Next week Blue Dragon will probably drop out of the top ten"

the Top Selling XBox 360 games in Japan

http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Or +Alive+4
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+or +Alive+Xtreme+2
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Ri sing
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Ninety+ Nine+Nights

I thought I should clarify the statement:

"Next week Blue Dragon will probably drop out of the top ten"

the Top Selling XBox 360 games in Japan

http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Or +Alive+4
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+or +Alive+Xtreme+2
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Ri sing
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Ninety+ Nine+Nights

I thought I should clarify the statement:

"Next week Blue Dragon will probably drop out of the top ten"

the Top Selling XBox 360 games in Japan

http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Or +Alive+4
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+or +Alive+Xtreme+2
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Ri sing
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Ninety+ Nine+Nights

I thought I should clarify the statement:

"Next week Blue Dragon will probably drop out of the top ten"

the Top Selling XBox 360 games in Japan

http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Or +Alive+4
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+or +Alive+Xtreme+2
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Ri sing
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Ninety+ Nine+Nights

When Nintendo comes in 3rd place (GameCube), we rightly point to their streamlined operation and say this is fine, one need not dominate the entire marketplace to 'win' (which is an illusion anyway) as far as gamers are concerned; we like that they continue to produce great products and don't vanish in a sea of debt. To turn that around now and crow about the DS outselling the PSP by a wide margin is just a little two-faced. And we aren't even talking about PS2s, which clobber everything. See how this works? Don't give in to the fanboy one-upsmanship. Its pointless. I'm sure there are plenty of happy PSP owners out there, who the hell are you to tell them that they really don't like their game unit?

You don't need to be the best selling videogame product to be considered a success, but you do need to have a lot of good videogames which the PSP really doesn't; the PSP has been on the market for almost 2 years and only has 1 game (Lumines) ranked at over 90% on gamerankings.com and only has 3 games to break a million sales worldwide (Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, Ridge Racers, Everybodys Golf Portable) http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=&cons ole=PSP&publisher=&sort=Total . [To put this in perspective, the XBox 360 in half the time has 4 games about 90% on Gamerankings.com, and 3 games to break a million sales worldwide]

The point I was trying to get at was the PSP is trying to be cool by pushing the non-gaming functions rather than make a solid gaming machine; Sony started with "Look it plays UMD movies and is a MP3 player", now that UMD failed I see far more comercials about the picture/move playback related to memorystick than game comercials. Had Sony focused on making good games, and encouraging developers to make games (that aren't Playstation/PS2 ports) for the PSP the system would be selling better because it was a better gaming machine.

The Gamecube/XBox were successful gaming platforms with small userbases because people who bought those systems where happy with their purchase and played (a lot of) games on the; many (if not most) PSP owners are unhappy because they own an expensive paperweight.

Um, according to first TFA, the DS sold 918k. Maybe only 641k of those were Lites, but there's no sign of that 641k number in either link provided. Also unmentioned in the blurb is that the PSP did 412k. Since these are US numbers, it makes me wonder where all the "The PSP is neck-and-neck with the DS in North America!" comments are coming from. Unless Canadians bought a half-million PSPs while totally ignoring the DS during November, it looks like the DS has the PSP by over 2:1.

The "PSP is neck-and-neck with the DS" comments come from this:

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=2

The DS was released 4 months before the PSP so if you do the adjustment you'd find that the PSP + Nintendo DS were at the same level until June 2006 when the DS lite was launched; from that point on Nintendo has sold (approximately) 2 Million more units than Sony has. The depressing thing is that Sony's delay in Europe and Nintendo's dominance in Japan meant that the only region it was even close in was North America. The sad thing is that in North America ( http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=3 http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=1 ) interest in PSP software has dropped off recently and it is likely that Developers will begin to abandon it in 2007.

Um, according to first TFA, the DS sold 918k. Maybe only 641k of those were Lites, but there's no sign of that 641k number in either link provided. Also unmentioned in the blurb is that the PSP did 412k. Since these are US numbers, it makes me wonder where all the "The PSP is neck-and-neck with the DS in North America!" comments are coming from. Unless Canadians bought a half-million PSPs while totally ignoring the DS during November, it looks like the DS has the PSP by over 2:1.

The "PSP is neck-and-neck with the DS" comments come from this:

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=2

The DS was released 4 months before the PSP so if you do the adjustment you'd find that the PSP + Nintendo DS were at the same level until June 2006 when the DS lite was launched; from that point on Nintendo has sold (approximately) 2 Million more units than Sony has. The depressing thing is that Sony's delay in Europe and Nintendo's dominance in Japan meant that the only region it was even close in was North America. The sad thing is that in North America ( http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=3 http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=1 ) interest in PSP software has dropped off recently and it is likely that Developers will begin to abandon it in 2007.

Um, according to first TFA, the DS sold 918k. Maybe only 641k of those were Lites, but there's no sign of that 641k number in either link provided. Also unmentioned in the blurb is that the PSP did 412k. Since these are US numbers, it makes me wonder where all the "The PSP is neck-and-neck with the DS in North America!" comments are coming from. Unless Canadians bought a half-million PSPs while totally ignoring the DS during November, it looks like the DS has the PSP by over 2:1.

The "PSP is neck-and-neck with the DS" comments come from this:

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=2

The DS was released 4 months before the PSP so if you do the adjustment you'd find that the PSP + Nintendo DS were at the same level until June 2006 when the DS lite was launched; from that point on Nintendo has sold (approximately) 2 Million more units than Sony has. The depressing thing is that Sony's delay in Europe and Nintendo's dominance in Japan meant that the only region it was even close in was North America. The sad thing is that in North America ( http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=3 http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PSP &name2=DS&type=1 ) interest in PSP software has dropped off recently and it is likely that Developers will begin to abandon it in 2007.

Well, if you consider that the combined sales of the PS2 and PSP do not surpass 333,000 units per month (on average) in Japan it may be more difficult than you think; their combined total so far this year has been 3,069,000 making for an average of 279,000 ( http://www.vgcharts.org/japyearly.php ). Also consider that the PS2 (the most successful console in Japaneese history ) has sold 22 Million Consoles since it was released on March 2000 (meaning that it has been out for 5 years 8 months, or 68 months) only averaged 323,000 units per month.

It will be a very long time before the PS3 outsells the XBox 360 if it ever does...

At the end of all this, its just Sony's to lose. They are the reigning KING of consoles. Anyone can spew the facts of Xbox this or Nintendo that, but at the end Sony controls 65%+ of the console gaming pie.

Well, if you include handhelds they control less than 50% of the hardware market; when it comes to software Nintendo sells about 4 times as much software as Sony does.

This lack of shortages does not matter. If Sony pushes out PS3 next year this will be a thing of the past. Sure they may lose market share to Nintendo and MS, but unless there is massive failure on their PS3 I don't see anyone knocking them off their throne too soon.

I don't think you understand what time of year this is ...

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS2 &name2=&type=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=GC& name2=&type=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=XB& name2=&type=0

You see those amazingly large spikes that represent about half of all system sales that are exactly 12 months apart? Yes, that represents the 4th quarter of every year where (most) major purchases are made. Sony's shortage at this time of year means that they're sacrificing a ton of sales thereby reducing their market share which will reduce the number of exclusives (which will further reduce market share). Add to that the delay in Europe and there is no chance that Sony's sales will look nearly as good as either Nintendo's or Microsoft's.

spoken like a true fanboy! shortage=high demand think about it.

No, Shortage means that Supply Demand!

When you have no shortage and can sell 4 Million units you have high demand, when only 10,000 people want something and you supply 1,000 units you still have a shortage regardless of having a small demand.

At the end of all this, its just Sony's to lose. They are the reigning KING of consoles. Anyone can spew the facts of Xbox this or Nintendo that, but at the end Sony controls 65%+ of the console gaming pie.

Well, if you include handhelds they control less than 50% of the hardware market; when it comes to software Nintendo sells about 4 times as much software as Sony does.

This lack of shortages does not matter. If Sony pushes out PS3 next year this will be a thing of the past. Sure they may lose market share to Nintendo and MS, but unless there is massive failure on their PS3 I don't see anyone knocking them off their throne too soon.

I don't think you understand what time of year this is ...

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS2 &name2=&type=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=GC& name2=&type=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=XB& name2=&type=0

You see those amazingly large spikes that represent about half of all system sales that are exactly 12 months apart? Yes, that represents the 4th quarter of every year where (most) major purchases are made. Sony's shortage at this time of year means that they're sacrificing a ton of sales thereby reducing their market share which will reduce the number of exclusives (which will further reduce market share). Add to that the delay in Europe and there is no chance that Sony's sales will look nearly as good as either Nintendo's or Microsoft's.

spoken like a true fanboy! shortage=high demand think about it.

No, Shortage means that Supply Demand!

When you have no shortage and can sell 4 Million units you have high demand, when only 10,000 people want something and you supply 1,000 units you still have a shortage regardless of having a small demand.

At the end of all this, its just Sony's to lose. They are the reigning KING of consoles. Anyone can spew the facts of Xbox this or Nintendo that, but at the end Sony controls 65%+ of the console gaming pie.

Well, if you include handhelds they control less than 50% of the hardware market; when it comes to software Nintendo sells about 4 times as much software as Sony does.

This lack of shortages does not matter. If Sony pushes out PS3 next year this will be a thing of the past. Sure they may lose market share to Nintendo and MS, but unless there is massive failure on their PS3 I don't see anyone knocking them off their throne too soon.

I don't think you understand what time of year this is ...

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS2 &name2=&type=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=GC& name2=&type=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=XB& name2=&type=0

You see those amazingly large spikes that represent about half of all system sales that are exactly 12 months apart? Yes, that represents the 4th quarter of every year where (most) major purchases are made. Sony's shortage at this time of year means that they're sacrificing a ton of sales thereby reducing their market share which will reduce the number of exclusives (which will further reduce market share). Add to that the delay in Europe and there is no chance that Sony's sales will look nearly as good as either Nintendo's or Microsoft's.

spoken like a true fanboy! shortage=high demand think about it.

No, Shortage means that Supply Demand!

When you have no shortage and can sell 4 Million units you have high demand, when only 10,000 people want something and you supply 1,000 units you still have a shortage regardless of having a small demand.

Supply is the greatest challenge facing both of these systems in the Console War largely because they both can (probably) sell any system they can ship because of how high the demand for the systems are; with it being "Christmas" and they're shiny and new they're in demand.

Typically, in the November/December timeframe a system will sell 4 to 6 times as many units as it will sell in any other 2 months in a year ( http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS2 &name2=&type=0 ); not having enough units at this time of year can be a mistake that will take a year to recover from.

I do. Super Mario Sunshine sold less copies than Halo, however... Nintendogs outsold Halo 2 and almost every entry of Pokemon outsold GTA.

Don't forget that the original Playstation launched at (basically) the same time as the Saturn did, and sold at approximately the same rate as the Saturn (a system with no games) until the N64 launched 18 months later; the N64's launch (essentially) killed the Saturn and the Playstation began selling at a remarkable rate. I don't have North American data, but here are some charts showing what I mean:

http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PS& name2=SAT&type=2&align=1
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PS& name2=N64&type=2&align=1

Had Sega delivered a reasonable system with the Saturn, or had Nintendo released the N64 9-12 months earlier, the Playstation may never have had the opportunity to build steam.

Don't forget that the original Playstation launched at (basically) the same time as the Saturn did, and sold at approximately the same rate as the Saturn (a system with no games) until the N64 launched 18 months later; the N64's launch (essentially) killed the Saturn and the Playstation began selling at a remarkable rate. I don't have North American data, but here are some charts showing what I mean:

http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PS& name2=SAT&type=2&align=1
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PS& name2=N64&type=2&align=1

Had Sega delivered a reasonable system with the Saturn, or had Nintendo released the N64 9-12 months earlier, the Playstation may never have had the opportunity to build steam.

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=XB& name2=X360&type=2 This one is even worse. According to the chart, anyway, the xBox 360 is so far underperforming the xBox. I think this whole generation is going to be slow starting up.

And the XBox 360 hasn't hit 'any impressive milestone'... ? It has out-sold the PS2 in it's first 7 months, compared to the PS2's first 7 months. If that's not a sign that it's plenty successful, I don't know what is.