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  1. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  2. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  3. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  4. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  5. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  6. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  7. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  8. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  9. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  10. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  11. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  12. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  13. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  14. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7

    feComp:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-composite-02-b.html

    feTile:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-filters-tile-01-b.html

    gradient failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-18-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-grad-19-b.html

    pattern fills:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-pservers-pattern-01-b.html

    script failure:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-01-b.html
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-script-handle-02-b.html

    dom traversal:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-dom-03-b.html

    grouping:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-02-b.html

    supporting svg in svg (seriously, you can't even do THIS?!):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html

    text selection formatting:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-styling-css-06-b.html

    text underline strike through ... really?:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-text-03-b.html

    trefs:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tref-01-b.html

    no text selection at all:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tselect-01-b.html

    tspan:
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-text-tspan-01-b.html

    wrong colors (different shades of green between the two images):
    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-01-t.html

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/full-struct-cond-03-t.html

    I'd post screenshots but I'm lazy and lets face it, its not going to change because of my bitching.

    Whether SVG fonts are important is up for debate in the working

  15. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BZ · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    Sure. How about http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-color-prop-01-b.html ?

  16. Re:Gecko 1.9.3 and SVG animation by BitZtream · · Score: 1, Informative · on Firefox 3.7 Dropped In Favor of Feature Updates

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlEmbedHarness/basic-index.html

    I just tried it using 3.5.7.

    I skipped the first 2 tests as they are animation related.

    I stopped at test 7. I figured since 3 through 7 didn't match up, and I'm currently at a 100% failure rate that I didn't need to prove much more.

    Yes, Firefox can score great if you ignore all the tests that it fails, unfortunately things like fonts ARE KIND OF IMPORTANT.

    I should point out that proper font rendering is required for EVERY test. You can't pass any without proper font rendering.

    Go a head and scroll through the list though, the composition test fails, gradient tests fail, fill tests fail, event handling and scripting is pointless in firefox, structured image placement, text selection doesn't work, inheritance is broken, text alignment is broken beyond belief.

    I'm not going any further, the point has been made. Gecko hasn't passed any tests, it can't without proper font rendering. You don't get to exclude part of the test and claim you passed it when that part of the test is fundamental to the standard. Thats like the 'Windows is secure as long as its in a locked room with no cables to it and turned off.'

  17. Re:Google talk by Simetrical · · Score: 1 · on YouTube Revamp Imminent?

    Google seems to have a policy of talking about new ways to do things, and not making changes suddenly. Afterall, YouTube is the dominant video sharing site right now, and they don't want to let an open source format make them risk their status. So, it looks like HTML5 is going to get a good kick from Google telling them "Hey, we'll use whatever you tell us... but you've got to finish the spec first!" We'll see what this does to that.

    Google employs Ian Hickson, the editor of HTML5. He quite literally wrote the entire spec (>1000 pages of complete.html) single-handedly, and personally reads and acts on all feedback. He makes all decisions about the spec unless maybe he's overruled by the HTML Working Group Decision Process, which has happened a grand total of once so far, and that on a purely editorial issue (microdata being a separate spec). Google doesn't need to give anyone "a good kick" when they're the ones writing the spec. They have eight HTMLWG members, too.

    (Of course, if Google didn't employ Hixie he'd probably just do the exact same thing but employed by someone else. But they still do employ him.)

  18. Re:HTML5 for the win? Sorry, that's not a codec. by Simetrical · · Score: 1 · on YouTube Revamp Imminent?

    There's only one problem. It ain't finished yet. So we've got the same problems 801.11n had a few years ago. It's hard to implement a moving spec.

    <video> is interoperably implemented in Firefox, Safari, Chrome, and Opera. The core aspects of the spec are not moving. Details are still being worked out (e.g., recent discussions about autobuffer control), but the spec is definitely implementable.

    Standards are good... but we're still in a format war over HMTL5 that makes it nearly impossible to implement it right now.

    Nonsense. YouTube can serve H.264 via <video> if supported, and via Flash if not supported. That could be done immediately. If anything is holding them back, it's probably lackluster browser implementations: so far only Firefox 3.6 supports fullscreen, for instance. Spec maturity is not the problem here, and the format problem isn't an issue either (since they'll have to use Flash for fallback anyway for old browsers).

  19. Re:What's up with the confusing article title? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1 · on Firm To Release Database, Web Server 0-Days

    So let me get this straight. Slashdot validates their SQL input. But they don't validate their HTML conformance?

    What does one have to do with the other? Proper sanitization of inbound data is basic security. HTML conformance is important to, but failing to conform isn't going to result in data theft, loss, or corruption on the servers.

  20. Re:What's up with the confusing article title? by iammani · · Score: 2, Informative · on Firm To Release Database, Web Server 0-Days

    The same with google.com or gmail.com or facebook or any website that needs to support a variety of browsers (even browsers that are not standards compaint).

    PS: wikipedia was complaint, its should applauded for its effort.

  21. Re:What's up with the confusing article title? by iammani · · Score: 2, Informative · on Firm To Release Database, Web Server 0-Days

    The same with google.com or gmail.com or facebook or any website that needs to support a variety of browsers (even browsers that are not standards compaint).

    PS: wikipedia was complaint, its should applauded for its effort.

  22. Re:What's up with the confusing article title? by iammani · · Score: 2, Informative · on Firm To Release Database, Web Server 0-Days

    The same with google.com or gmail.com or facebook or any website that needs to support a variety of browsers (even browsers that are not standards compaint).

    PS: wikipedia was complaint, its should applauded for its effort.

  23. Re:What's up with the confusing article title? by gregarican · · Score: 3, Funny · on Firm To Release Database, Web Server 0-Days

    So let me get this straight. Slashdot validates their SQL input. But they don't validate their HTML conformance?

  24. Re:Resist! its just OOXML all over again by Simetrical · · Score: 1 · on Microsoft Wants To Participate In SVG Development

    Here we go again: http://noooxml.wikidot.com/

    "Committee stuffing is a standard practice for Microsoft. Microsoft raped ISO with their office file formats, leaving the organization in limbo. The whole campaign against the format have raised an army of people, which are furious about the dirty tactics used by Microsoft to get the broken standard through ISO. This anger won't go away, and I wish good luck to Microsoft to get it adopted by governments. The reputation of Microsoft went down below zero with this process."

    The SVG Working Group is composed of . . . well, it seems to be "query failed" right now. But anyway, each organization gets one vote. It's made up of Microsoft's competitors. Microsoft cannot stuff the committee, it's not possible within W3C procedures, unless they get lots of little organizations to join and pay them to swing the vote. Which they've never done in well over a decade of W3C membership, despite being members of the Working Groups for CSS, Web Fonts, HTML, etc., etc. So no, they're probably joining the committee to influence the standard because they want to implement it and have feedback. Like every other implementer. Even if their motives differ a bit.

  25. Overcomplicated by Stiletto · · Score: 1 · on Microsoft Wants To Participate In SVG Development

    I was playing around with the idea of using SVG as a graphics file format for a recent project, but after having a look at the specifications, even SVG "Tiny" is way, way, way overcomplicated. With raster graphics formats out there that can be read and parsed with a couple lines of C code, there is definitely room for a truly SIMPLE vector graphics format.

    I'd love to see a "SVG Tiny Tiny Tiny" for those of us that just want a few scalable icons and don't want to build a freaking XML parser into their project.

    Alternatively, if anyone can recommend a good C or C++ based support library that takes the pain and suffering out of parsing SVG, I'm interested!

  26. Re:Oh thank you so very much.... NOT by eugene2k · · Score: 1 · on Microsoft Wants To Participate In SVG Development

    Judging by the members of the SVG working group (Apple, Opera, Mozilla) it's unlikely that they will be able to solely extend the standard.

    P.S. Oh, and Microsoft is already mentioned there

  27. They are already on the working group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Microsoft Wants To Participate In SVG Development

    Microsoft is already on the working group. Are they saying that after years of dragging their feet and dragging the process out as long as possible, now that the standard is gaining traction, that, well, yes, it's time to come out of the cold? What a bunch of maroons. Based on a lifetime of experience in IT, I don't trust them any farther than I can spit.

  28. Re:Why MS failed. by BenoitRen · · Score: 1 · on Firefox 3.5 Now the Most Popular Browser Worldwide

    Err, the CSS 2.1 spec is not a proper recommendation yet. It's a candidate, though.

    CSS 3 is tested by the Acid3 test [reference 1], [reference 2].

  29. Re:APIs missing from common JS implementations by tepples · · Score: 1 · on Firefox Mobile Threatens Mobile App Stores, Says Mozilla

    XMLHttpRequest can connect web servers that want to be connected (and define appropriate policies) right now.

    Cross-Origin Resource Sharing is a good start, but it's not a complete replacement for arbitrary network access. For one thing, it would pose problems for a "mash-up" application whose client-side code downloads data feeds (not necessarily the RSS feed that a web browser can read upon installation) from several web sites that make the feeds available to the public but don't have the resources to process requests to opt-in to every single web application that wants to read the feed. It also rules out peer-to-peer communication among devices and communication that doesn't meet the request-response paradigm of .

    How would a first-person shooter video game or a video chat application be written as a web application? (As I understand the stipulations of the article, plug-ins compiled to native code don't count. Device makers and network operators often restrict plug-in installation, and even if not, the plug-in might not be available for a given device's architecture and native API.)

  30. Re:Hurray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on EU Accepts Microsoft's Browser Choice Promise

    http://www.w3.org/Graphics/PNG/inline-alpha.html

    PNG has an Alpha channel property. Not sure what you're talking about.

  31. Re:Wouldn't be necessary if... by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 2, Interesting · on Google Unveils goo.gl URL Shortening Service

    But, website operators that aren't idiots don't change URLs.

    Yes they do. Everyone does it. Nobody likes to do it, but inevitably it eventually happens to some pages.

    Not everyone does it. Tim Berners-Lee doesn't. If you need to give an article a new URL because you've changed CMSs, or for some other reason, put in a redirect to send people accessing the old URL to the new location. There is virtually never a reason, beyond laziness or stupidity, to break URLs when you move something. Perhaps my original statement that you quoted should have said "don't break" instead of "don't change," but I think the point was clear from the context.

    Here's an example, though obviously this is unlikely to ever disappear:
    http://catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/

    I don't have any problem with that URL at all. I never said URLs shouldn't be descriptive; I said that they shouldn't be so long that they become difficult to use. They shouldn't be so long that you need a URL shortening service like bit.ly to cope with them. What is it that motivates someone to create a URL that is 150 characters long? It's not an effort to make the URL more useful, it's just SEO. See more details here

  32. Re:Wouldn't be necessary if... by merreborn · · Score: 2, Informative · on Google Unveils goo.gl URL Shortening Service

    Good URIs are just a good idea, period. That's not advice from some shady SEO scumbag, either. That's tim berners-lee and the w3c.

    Surely:

    http://example.com/articles/man-bites-dog

    is vastly superior from the user's point of view to:

    http://example.com/cgi-bin/article.php3?PHPSESSID=0983sdf0er888fsd&article_id=73522

    Which one are you going to remember? Which one would you rather read over the phone?

  33. Re:developed these technologies over 15 years ago. by BrianRoach · · Score: 3, Informative · on Eolas Sues World + Dog For AJAX Patent

    http://www.w3.org/2003/10/27-rogan.html

    No need for scouring, Tim Berners-Lee already did it.

  34. Re:the way they want ballots to work in Redmond by janwedekind · · Score: 1 · on Microsoft Tweaks Browser Ballot As EU Deal Nears

    Yeah. The previous poster probably also had problems with the Slashdot comment filters. I had problems to post code examples in the past.

    http://validator.w3.org/

  35. Re:Getting JS out of the browser is a *great* idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Trying To Bust JavaScript Out of the Browser

    The willful violation of the javascript object model for document.all in HTML5 (see bottom of page) is one particularly nasty example of what the web has done/is doing to Javascript. If you know the JS object model well, think about what that violation really entails, and what it would take to write that special case into a JS engine, for one particular property, of one particular object, if you happen to be running in a particular environment (browser))

    I wasn't aware of this proposal. That's just plain horrible, I wonder what they were thinking. Who in their right mind would create a new HTML 5 document and then use 'if (document.all)' in a script?

  36. Re:HTML 5 by AvitarX · · Score: 1 · on Google Abandoning Gears

    no, I was more referring to Past experience has shown great disappointment in all this hyperbole....

    I think that XMLHttpRequest is fantastic, and even if the only thing done with it was google maps, it would still be great.

    It originating by MS has nothing to do with it.

    Just as the power of that ActiveX object worked its way into standards to everyone's benefit and I think really lived up to expectations, HTML 5 is working in things such as gears and more. I expect it to be great in the end. Even if there is stuff that MS originated in there.

    and at this point it does have something to do with standards:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest2/

  37. Re:BLOAT by Transfinite · · Score: 2, Informative · on Google Abandoning Gears

    It's got nothing to do with "tags", the whole point of the HTML5 API is to try and evolve the request -> response model we have at the moment. for example, WebSockets http://dev.w3.org/html5/websockets/ event based full duplex communications. Or that you can now actually store files locally (applicationCache), so for example client side templates would be possible, only send the data that changes, not as happens now, everything over, and over again. The new tags in HTML5 are not the important bits.

  38. I'm starting up a new website too! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1 · on AbleGamers Reviews Games From a Disability Standpoint

    It's to rate websites which review content for disabled people on criteria relating to how easily accessible their website is to the disabled. I apply the details and recommendations supplied by W3's Web Accessibility Initiative Evaluation Overview

    So far, the games they review score significantly higher than the AbleGamers website.

  39. Re:Javascript is actually a great language by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1 · on Trying To Bust JavaScript Out of the Browser

    In fact, most values coerce to true except integer zero, NaN, undefined, null and empty string.

    Except in the DOM, as someone else has pointed out document.all which intentionally breaks Javascript specifications.

  40. Getting JS out of the browser is a *great* idea. by Karellen · · Score: 5, Interesting · on Trying To Bust JavaScript Out of the Browser

    Javascript is a beautiful, elegant, small and generally well-formed language. It has a couple of warts, but what language doesn't.

    However, the way that Javascript interacts with web browsers, web pages and all other things web-like is a disgusting, crufty, bloated piece of shit. The DOM bindings are horrible, as far as they go, and they're woefully incomplete. The browser deficiencies in their implementations of the DOM bindings, and the browser-specific work-arounds needed to circumvent said deficiencies, are Lovecraftian nightmares.

    (The willful violation of the javascript object model for document.all in HTML5 (see bottom of page) is one particularly nasty example of what the web has done/is doing to Javascript. If you know the JS object model well, think about what that violation really entails, and what it would take to write that special case into a JS engine, for one particular property, of one particular object, if you happen to be running in a particular environment (browser))

    Getting Javascript out of the browser would be the best thing that could possibly happen to Javascript.

  41. Re:Is that supposed to be news?? by http · · Score: 2, Interesting · on New Attack Fells Internet Explorer

    HTML 4 has not changed in over a decade.. EMCA 262 (Javascript) was released almost exactly a decade ago. Version 4 died on the table, and 5 isn't out for a while yet.
    What is the improving technology?

  42. Re:Expected by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1 · on MS Finds Security Flaw In Google Chrome Frame

    Is this a comment about CSS3 support? The standard isn't even established yet so it seems irresponsible for web designers to use that format for their entire framework, and premature to consider it a must-have for web browsers.

    I think this is all just an excuse for Google to turn up its nose at Microsoft by making them look like they're dragging their heels. It's a very Google ideal to embrace beta and subject users to technologies while they're still only half baked. Microsoft releases beta software too, but with warnings not to use the software in production. HTML5 is a good example of this difference of philosophy, and certainly so is this Chrome Frame plugin which is essentially a sloppy man-in-the-middle attack vector. It's like one of those obnoxious browser toolbars that acts as an intermediary to hijack all your search queries.

  43. Re:the article is bullshit. by XSpud · · Score: 1 · on Flash Vulnerability Found, Adobe Says No Fix Forthcoming

    However, you don't normally run a Flash object by clicking on a link to it. When you link to/embed an external resource within HTML, you can specify the content-type within the HTML. Think <link rel="stylesheet" href="..." type="text/css"> for including a stylesheet. This tells the browser not just where it is, but also what it is. This effectively overrides whatever content-type the server sends. It's very often used with <object> or <embed> tags to give the browser an idea of what the object is so it knows whether or not it can handle it before it requests it. It also enables you to put content on servers which don't have a mime-type configured for that file extension and still have them work.

    If Flash is using the type attribute to override the content type returned by the server then it's broken:

    "If the value of this attribute differs from the HTTP Content-Type returned by the server when the object is retrieved, the HTTP Content-Type takes precedence." from http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-type-OBJECT

    Also the real purpose of the attribute is to prevent unnecessary downloads of content that user agents may not support, not to indicate how content should be processed after it's downloaded.

  44. Flash security has always frightened me by QuoteMstr · · Score: 4, Insightful · on Flash Vulnerability Found, Adobe Says No Fix Forthcoming

    I've been worried about Flash security for a long time now. I'd like to point out three features of Flash that bother me.

    First, Flash allows a web application to paste data to the clipboard even if the browser itself forbids this. Of the major browsers, only IE allows applications to directly set the clipboard content.

    Second, Flash has an XMLHttpRequest equivalent with a lax security policy. Cross-domain retrieval is controlled by an XML control file listing permissible origins.

    Finally, Flash has its own cookie system. These Flash cookies are hidden from the user, and require special tools to remove.

    These features are secure in themselves, but are enablers: they give attackers the means to exploit other vulnerabilities.

    Unfortunately, this cavalier attitude fits Adobe's business model. Lax security is as much a feature of Flash as its vector graphics. Flash allows web developers "get shit done" with no regard for the security of the web ecosystem as a whole. Web developers then come to rely on Flash, which increases the adoption of Flash Player among users, which in turn increases the value of Adobe's authoring tools. Being insecure is lucrative, up to the point that the vulnerabilities become so egregious that users disable Flash.

    On the other hand, browser vendors seem to take a mostly-conservative approach to security (don't laugh yet): consider XMLHttpRequest: sure, its same-origin restriction on the target URL is inconvenient, and the restriction might have been loosened while remaining secure. But this same prudent restriction has also prevented many attacks. Browser vendors have the right incentives because users have a realistic choice of browsers. Flash is an all-or-nothing affair.

    I wish I had an answer. Hopefully, HTML 5 will become widely supported enough that websites won't feel compelled to use Flash for graphics and storage, and eventually Flash's market penetration will sink below the point that web developers can consider it a viable way to circumvent browser security.

  45. Re:While we're at it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on HTTP Intermediary Layer From Google Could Dramatically Speed Up the Web

    Dude, the W3C had provided us with all of that. Unfortunately, the community as a whole (including some of the major players like Google, Apple, Mozilla, and Opera) are pretty fucking stupid, and have thrown it all away in favor of the piece of shit that is HTML 5.

    The "extensible language" you propose is called XML. XHTML provides the core set of elements for the web environment. Upon that foundation you can come up with your own XML schema, in its own namespace, to add additional elements.

    XForms is the presentation layer that you want. Go read the spec. It's exactly what you propose.

    Yahoo! and Google, among others, have become the distribution network you seek. You can download a variety of JavaScript libraries from their hosts, rather than hosting it on your server. That way they can be cached and reused among multiple sites.

    The "binary form" that you're speaking of is deflate, gzip or bzip2 compressed XML.

    As for combining semantics, presentation and scripting, HTML was like that in the beginning. It got the purists all up in arms.

    Don't bother working on your ideas. The W3C looked into them ages ago, but the community has decided instead to take the stupid path and go with HTML 5.

  46. HTTP-NG Revisited (ten years later!) by kriegsman · · Score: 4, Informative · on HTTP Intermediary Layer From Google Could Dramatically Speed Up the Web
    HTTP-NG ( http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP-NG/ ) was researched, designed, and even, yes, implemented to solve the same problems that Google's "new" SPDY is attacking -- in 1999, ten years ago.

    The good news is that SPDY seems to build on the SMUX ( http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-mux ) and MUX protocols that were designed as part of the HTTP-NG effort, so at least we're not reinventing the wheel. Now we have to decide what color to paint it.

    Next up: immediate support in FireFox, WebKit, and Apache -- and deafening silence from IE and IIS.

  47. HTTP-NG Revisited (ten years later!) by kriegsman · · Score: 4, Informative · on HTTP Intermediary Layer From Google Could Dramatically Speed Up the Web
    HTTP-NG ( http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP-NG/ ) was researched, designed, and even, yes, implemented to solve the same problems that Google's "new" SPDY is attacking -- in 1999, ten years ago.

    The good news is that SPDY seems to build on the SMUX ( http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-mux ) and MUX protocols that were designed as part of the HTTP-NG effort, so at least we're not reinventing the wheel. Now we have to decide what color to paint it.

    Next up: immediate support in FireFox, WebKit, and Apache -- and deafening silence from IE and IIS.

  48. Re:HTML5 video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Tired of Flash? HTML5 Viewer For YouTube

    What if the user uses the menu? What if his browser has a different shortcut? What if he's in full screen mode, using Chrome and uses the button at the top of the page to exit full screen (so the page doesn't know he's exited full screen)?
    The HTML5 spec says that browser can offer a way in the interface for users to play video in full screen, but not a public API (so that scripts can't force full screen/trick users).
    That's fine by me, but as far as I know, no browser has implemented that yet.

  49. Prior-evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Startup Claims Google Copied Web-Annotation Product

    Annotation was a very early part of the design for the web, this is the W3C's reference implementation, which admittedly seems to only date from 2001, but the work was done mid to late 90s.

    http://www.w3.org/2001/Annotea/

  50. Re:Another impediment in getting rid of flash by Simetrical · · Score: 1 · on Tired of Flash? HTML5 Viewer For YouTube

    On the other hand, if we RTFS:

    The latest versions of Firefox, Chrome, and Safari are supported

    Note that IE is not on the list. Make an educated guess about the implications for the penetration of the video tag.

    Microsoft has committed to supporting <video> and <audio>. When, heaven only knows, but <video> will win eventually. Hopefully sooner rather than later.