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Nice of you to say it simply. However, you're wrong. Here's the text of the current LAW. Here's a summary of a successfully prosecuted case. If you read either, you'll see that it only deals with mail that contains fraudulent information about the sender. Unless your definition of spam is "mail that has forged headers", companies are still allowed to spam Washington residents as much as they like. They just have to be honest about who they are.

Of course, my post referred to the original BILL, meaning the original BILL that Microsoft is lobbying to change. I wasn't talking about the original 1998 LAW that was passed. I'm just a bill, I'm just a bill, I live on capital hill...

[The Law] Requires all unsolicited commercial e-mail to include "ADV:" as the first four letters of the Subject. Of course, this is on TOP of the fact that it is illegal, so it does seem a little silly. Now you know why it's not silly - it's not illegal.

So MS is lobbying to eliminate an older law which prohibits it from spamming.

Again, MS is lobbying to make revisions to the senate BILL passed last year, which is not LAW because it didn't pass the House.

Last year the senate passed amendment 6568 to try to address unsolicited commercial e-mail. It was a pretty cool amendment. You can find it here. Sorry, I can't give a direct link. Just type 6568 and select the 2001/2002 bills. Anyhow, according to this article, the bill perished in the House Technology, Telecommunications and Energy Committee.

The replacement amendment, with changes from the House, 5734 can be found here.

My opinion is that you should do a little research, and perhaps even reread the article, before stating your opinion.

Alright, research done. Of course, you didn't do yours...

Nice of you to say it simply. However, you're wrong. Here's the text of the current LAW. Here's a summary of a successfully prosecuted case. If you read either, you'll see that it only deals with mail that contains fraudulent information about the sender. Unless your definition of spam is "mail that has forged headers", companies are still allowed to spam Washington residents as much as they like. They just have to be honest about who they are.

Of course, my post referred to the original BILL, meaning the original BILL that Microsoft is lobbying to change. I wasn't talking about the original 1998 LAW that was passed. I'm just a bill, I'm just a bill, I live on capital hill...

[The Law] Requires all unsolicited commercial e-mail to include "ADV:" as the first four letters of the Subject. Of course, this is on TOP of the fact that it is illegal, so it does seem a little silly. Now you know why it's not silly - it's not illegal.

So MS is lobbying to eliminate an older law which prohibits it from spamming.

Again, MS is lobbying to make revisions to the senate BILL passed last year, which is not LAW because it didn't pass the House.

Last year the senate passed amendment 6568 to try to address unsolicited commercial e-mail. It was a pretty cool amendment. You can find it here. Sorry, I can't give a direct link. Just type 6568 and select the 2001/2002 bills. Anyhow, according to this article, the bill perished in the House Technology, Telecommunications and Energy Committee.

The replacement amendment, with changes from the House, 5734 can be found here.

My opinion is that you should do a little research, and perhaps even reread the article, before stating your opinion.

Alright, research done. Of course, you didn't do yours...

Ahh. I'll shut up now ;)

Nope. This isn't talking about a bill before Congress -- it's about a bill before the Washington State Legislature (the WA State Senate to be exact). If you look on the WA State Legislature's website, you'll find that Kirkland has Senators, this bill number works, and all of the other errors you mention aren't errors.

The bill in question has been referred to the Senate Technology & Communications Committee. The sponsors of the bill happen to be all of the members of the committee, which sounds to me as if the Chairman (Sen. Esser, whose district includes Redmond), has smiled on it rather heavily. It has not had a hearing yet, nor is it scheduled for a hearing the next time the committee meets (27 February). There are just a few weeks left for bills to have hearings in the committees, so it's possible that the purpose of the bill has been served just by submitting it, and there is no further interest in actually passing the bill.

OTOH, it just may not have come up for the hearing yet for other reasons, and it's not safe to assume that it's dead at this point in time when the entire committee sponsored it. So, for those who might be interested in knowing what to do, here are some ideas:

• Contact your State Senator (especially if he or she is on the T&C Committee).
• Contact Senators on the T&C Committee (especially if you have some connection with them -- I've met Val Stevens, although she probably won't remember me, frinstance).
• Contact the Committee Staff and ask them if the bill is going to be scheduled for a hearing.
• Watch the Bill Information for this bill to see when/if it is scheduled for a hearing.
• If you can get to Olympia on the date of any such hearing, show up for the hearing and sign up to speak. Show up early, because those who sign up first get to speak first, and there is only so much time. There are also only so many seats available.

When contacting Senators, please have something short and intelligent to say. If you are going to testify at the hearing, that goes double. MS lobbyists are going to be slick, and if the opponents of the bill look like a bunch of hicks or idiots, the contrast is going to be noticeable. There are more good ideas on how to testify on the legislature's website.

The bill in question has been referred to the Senate Technology & Communications Committee. The sponsors of the bill happen to be all of the members of the committee, which sounds to me as if the Chairman (Sen. Esser, whose district includes Redmond), has smiled on it rather heavily. It has not had a hearing yet, nor is it scheduled for a hearing the next time the committee meets (27 February). There are just a few weeks left for bills to have hearings in the committees, so it's possible that the purpose of the bill has been served just by submitting it, and there is no further interest in actually passing the bill.

OTOH, it just may not have come up for the hearing yet for other reasons, and it's not safe to assume that it's dead at this point in time when the entire committee sponsored it. So, for those who might be interested in knowing what to do, here are some ideas:

• Contact your State Senator (especially if he or she is on the T&C Committee).
• Contact Senators on the T&C Committee (especially if you have some connection with them -- I've met Val Stevens, although she probably won't remember me, frinstance).
• Contact the Committee Staff and ask them if the bill is going to be scheduled for a hearing.
• Watch the Bill Information for this bill to see when/if it is scheduled for a hearing.
• If you can get to Olympia on the date of any such hearing, show up for the hearing and sign up to speak. Show up early, because those who sign up first get to speak first, and there is only so much time. There are also only so many seats available.

When contacting Senators, please have something short and intelligent to say. If you are going to testify at the hearing, that goes double. MS lobbyists are going to be slick, and if the opponents of the bill look like a bunch of hicks or idiots, the contrast is going to be noticeable. There are more good ideas on how to testify on the legislature's website.

The bill in question has been referred to the Senate Technology & Communications Committee. The sponsors of the bill happen to be all of the members of the committee, which sounds to me as if the Chairman (Sen. Esser, whose district includes Redmond), has smiled on it rather heavily. It has not had a hearing yet, nor is it scheduled for a hearing the next time the committee meets (27 February). There are just a few weeks left for bills to have hearings in the committees, so it's possible that the purpose of the bill has been served just by submitting it, and there is no further interest in actually passing the bill.

OTOH, it just may not have come up for the hearing yet for other reasons, and it's not safe to assume that it's dead at this point in time when the entire committee sponsored it. So, for those who might be interested in knowing what to do, here are some ideas:

• Contact your State Senator (especially if he or she is on the T&C Committee).
• Contact Senators on the T&C Committee (especially if you have some connection with them -- I've met Val Stevens, although she probably won't remember me, frinstance).
• Contact the Committee Staff and ask them if the bill is going to be scheduled for a hearing.
• Watch the Bill Information for this bill to see when/if it is scheduled for a hearing.
• If you can get to Olympia on the date of any such hearing, show up for the hearing and sign up to speak. Show up early, because those who sign up first get to speak first, and there is only so much time. There are also only so many seats available.

When contacting Senators, please have something short and intelligent to say. If you are going to testify at the hearing, that goes double. MS lobbyists are going to be slick, and if the opponents of the bill look like a bunch of hicks or idiots, the contrast is going to be noticeable. There are more good ideas on how to testify on the legislature's website.

The bill in question has been referred to the Senate Technology & Communications Committee. The sponsors of the bill happen to be all of the members of the committee, which sounds to me as if the Chairman (Sen. Esser, whose district includes Redmond), has smiled on it rather heavily. It has not had a hearing yet, nor is it scheduled for a hearing the next time the committee meets (27 February). There are just a few weeks left for bills to have hearings in the committees, so it's possible that the purpose of the bill has been served just by submitting it, and there is no further interest in actually passing the bill.

OTOH, it just may not have come up for the hearing yet for other reasons, and it's not safe to assume that it's dead at this point in time when the entire committee sponsored it. So, for those who might be interested in knowing what to do, here are some ideas:

• Contact your State Senator (especially if he or she is on the T&C Committee).
• Contact Senators on the T&C Committee (especially if you have some connection with them -- I've met Val Stevens, although she probably won't remember me, frinstance).
• Contact the Committee Staff and ask them if the bill is going to be scheduled for a hearing.
• Watch the Bill Information for this bill to see when/if it is scheduled for a hearing.
• If you can get to Olympia on the date of any such hearing, show up for the hearing and sign up to speak. Show up early, because those who sign up first get to speak first, and there is only so much time. There are also only so many seats available.

When contacting Senators, please have something short and intelligent to say. If you are going to testify at the hearing, that goes double. MS lobbyists are going to be slick, and if the opponents of the bill look like a bunch of hicks or idiots, the contrast is going to be noticeable. There are more good ideas on how to testify on the legislature's website.

The bill in question has been referred to the Senate Technology & Communications Committee. The sponsors of the bill happen to be all of the members of the committee, which sounds to me as if the Chairman (Sen. Esser, whose district includes Redmond), has smiled on it rather heavily. It has not had a hearing yet, nor is it scheduled for a hearing the next time the committee meets (27 February). There are just a few weeks left for bills to have hearings in the committees, so it's possible that the purpose of the bill has been served just by submitting it, and there is no further interest in actually passing the bill.

OTOH, it just may not have come up for the hearing yet for other reasons, and it's not safe to assume that it's dead at this point in time when the entire committee sponsored it. So, for those who might be interested in knowing what to do, here are some ideas:

• Contact your State Senator (especially if he or she is on the T&C Committee).
• Contact Senators on the T&C Committee (especially if you have some connection with them -- I've met Val Stevens, although she probably won't remember me, frinstance).
• Contact the Committee Staff and ask them if the bill is going to be scheduled for a hearing.
• Watch the Bill Information for this bill to see when/if it is scheduled for a hearing.
• If you can get to Olympia on the date of any such hearing, show up for the hearing and sign up to speak. Show up early, because those who sign up first get to speak first, and there is only so much time. There are also only so many seats available.

When contacting Senators, please have something short and intelligent to say. If you are going to testify at the hearing, that goes double. MS lobbyists are going to be slick, and if the opponents of the bill look like a bunch of hicks or idiots, the contrast is going to be noticeable. There are more good ideas on how to testify on the legislature's website.

The bill in question has been referred to the Senate Technology & Communications Committee. The sponsors of the bill happen to be all of the members of the committee, which sounds to me as if the Chairman (Sen. Esser, whose district includes Redmond), has smiled on it rather heavily. It has not had a hearing yet, nor is it scheduled for a hearing the next time the committee meets (27 February). There are just a few weeks left for bills to have hearings in the committees, so it's possible that the purpose of the bill has been served just by submitting it, and there is no further interest in actually passing the bill.

OTOH, it just may not have come up for the hearing yet for other reasons, and it's not safe to assume that it's dead at this point in time when the entire committee sponsored it. So, for those who might be interested in knowing what to do, here are some ideas:

• Contact your State Senator (especially if he or she is on the T&C Committee).
• Contact Senators on the T&C Committee (especially if you have some connection with them -- I've met Val Stevens, although she probably won't remember me, frinstance).
• Contact the Committee Staff and ask them if the bill is going to be scheduled for a hearing.
• Watch the Bill Information for this bill to see when/if it is scheduled for a hearing.
• If you can get to Olympia on the date of any such hearing, show up for the hearing and sign up to speak. Show up early, because those who sign up first get to speak first, and there is only so much time. There are also only so many seats available.

When contacting Senators, please have something short and intelligent to say. If you are going to testify at the hearing, that goes double. MS lobbyists are going to be slick, and if the opponents of the bill look like a bunch of hicks or idiots, the contrast is going to be noticeable. There are more good ideas on how to testify on the legislature's website.

The bill in question has been referred to the Senate Technology & Communications Committee. The sponsors of the bill happen to be all of the members of the committee, which sounds to me as if the Chairman (Sen. Esser, whose district includes Redmond), has smiled on it rather heavily. It has not had a hearing yet, nor is it scheduled for a hearing the next time the committee meets (27 February). There are just a few weeks left for bills to have hearings in the committees, so it's possible that the purpose of the bill has been served just by submitting it, and there is no further interest in actually passing the bill.

OTOH, it just may not have come up for the hearing yet for other reasons, and it's not safe to assume that it's dead at this point in time when the entire committee sponsored it. So, for those who might be interested in knowing what to do, here are some ideas:

• Contact your State Senator (especially if he or she is on the T&C Committee).
• Contact Senators on the T&C Committee (especially if you have some connection with them -- I've met Val Stevens, although she probably won't remember me, frinstance).
• Contact the Committee Staff and ask them if the bill is going to be scheduled for a hearing.
• Watch the Bill Information for this bill to see when/if it is scheduled for a hearing.
• If you can get to Olympia on the date of any such hearing, show up for the hearing and sign up to speak. Show up early, because those who sign up first get to speak first, and there is only so much time. There are also only so many seats available.

When contacting Senators, please have something short and intelligent to say. If you are going to testify at the hearing, that goes double. MS lobbyists are going to be slick, and if the opponents of the bill look like a bunch of hicks or idiots, the contrast is going to be noticeable. There are more good ideas on how to testify on the legislature's website.

Ah. The reason he's not in the Senate database is because he's a Rep, despite both articles cited so far (go media accuracy! :). And according to his own website, he's not currently sponsoring this bill. Search the LOC site for "spam", the only bill that comes up is House Resolution 122, whose purpose is "To amend section 227 of the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit the use of the text, graphic, or image messaging systems of wireless telephone systems to transmit unsolicited commercial messages." It's a dupe.

"if someone were to link to documents that have his address in them.

http://www.wa.gov/ago/pubs/ChippynetComplaintfor Re lief.pdf"

It would be a shame if you knew how to link so the lameness filter didn't break up the URL.

Noob :-P

Be forwarned, IAAL. However, I am not associated with either company.

While the law itself is open and available to everyone free of charge, its analysis does cost money. This is similar to the situation with various linux distributions. The OS is free, but if you want expert help, you have to hire someone unless you are an expert yourself.

What you get with Westlaw (I'm most familiar with it) and Lexis (I presume) is a very powerful search engine, coupled with analysis generated by those companies. By looking in the free sources published by the government, one can access the law (statutes, cases, etc). For statutes, Westlaw provides not just the text of the law, it also provides a short synopsis of most cases which have interpreted that law. West does a similar thing with case law and organizes its headnote information by "key number". All of that analysis speeds up research - but it is generated by someone who works for the companies - not for the government.

The point is, Westlaw etc. are merely adding value to something that is freely available to make it more useable. That's what any number of open source software companies do - just in a different context.

Not to mention the fact that a school and I'm assuming a library's criteria is if they are located in a poor rural area, they can only get e-rate funding if 80% or more of the school is on free or reduced lunch. Spokane County Public Libraries would not qualify for e-rate funding since it is located in the 2nd largest city in the state.

Where I work, we have to deal with the filtering BS since 1 of the elementary schools here qualify for e-rate and the teachers want their new shiny toys (and believe me, I hate the filtering box even though it does a half-assed job at it).

The libraries and schools are not hurting for internet access either thanks to a state that dearly loves technology.

About MS licensing, if the Gates Foundation does not give money for them, Washington State public schools can buy them dirt cheap .

Seattle traffic. Been there forever; there's a Windows exe traffic-viewer too.

And has all of that info, plus links to traffic camera pictures and video.

Sigh. Here's the link that Limited Vision wanted you to cut and paste, thus removing the whole point of the world-wide web.

(His name is frighteningly accurate.)

Using some math they can get a pretty good approximation of vehical speed.
There is also a nifty java applet called SeaFlow that allows you to see all that data in more detail. It also keeps you updated on current accident reports.
The area also has a HUGE collection of traffic cams (over 200). All of this is made possible by a roadside data network.
We also have webcams so you can see how packed your next ferry trip is going to be. You can also view the location of the ferries thanks to GPS.

Using some math they can get a pretty good approximation of vehical speed.
There is also a nifty java applet called SeaFlow that allows you to see all that data in more detail. It also keeps you updated on current accident reports.
The area also has a HUGE collection of traffic cams (over 200). All of this is made possible by a roadside data network.
We also have webcams so you can see how packed your next ferry trip is going to be. You can also view the location of the ferries thanks to GPS.

showing color-coded levels of congestion on major highways. This handy thing has been in place for several years and I check it EVERY time I leave work.

WSDOT does this for the Puget Sound region as well as highway web cams all across the state.

WSDOT does this for the Puget Sound region as well as highway web cams all across the state.

you can find it here

More information concerning the junk-email stuff is at http://www.wa.gov/ago/junkemail/.

One of the parts I like in it is "Even if the sender fails to inquire about the information, as long as it's available, the sender is deemed to know." So if they "claim" to have looked it doesn't mater, if they have the deceptive items in it they are bustable.
I wonder that if the hotmail servers are located in Washington if "from a computer located in Washington" part of the law applies so people else where can have it enforced (as if the people actually send it with the start point on a hotmail server).

If you need that in hypertext:

Complaint Form

The correct link is http://www.wa.gov/ago/consumer/forms/ not the ./form/ that was in the original link.

(I assume that Slashdot and the poster did check this link before...)

Also, we've seen how many "wins" from these laws? a handful at best? There's obviously something not right with the system yet.

Granted, heavy modifications to courier's bofh file (blocking bad addresses/mx's) has narrowed that down from 50-100 to 5-10 daily. But it's still annoying.

Here are a couple of widely ranging points that have not yet been discussed.

First, many people in this thread have said things like "Why increase taxes, just reduce spending!" Unfortunately it is not that simple. (Disclaimer on the following statement: I am a libertarian, and hate taxes, but I am also a pragmatist). Believe it or not, most local governments are __required by law__ to spend. Here's how it works: when you vote for a new park, the city must provide it. When you vote for new bonds, the city must pay the interest. There is no way out. The only solution is to vote to change the spending requirements. This is not easy since some of the budget goes to poor, battered or otherwise disadvantaged people. Or to libraries for people who can't afford to buy books (me included). Or to public schools for people who can't afford private school. Who wants to take services away from these poor folks? The rest of the budget goes to local infrastructure. How will they decide which roads to close or bridges to stop maintaining?

Second point to consider: What should the tax rate be? Simple, you say, just charge the state tax rate of the purchaser! Bzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer. There is no such thing as a simple tax rate in many states. For example, I live in Washington State. The sales tax rate is based on where I buy the item, or where I live, and can vary even within a city or county! Check it out at here (scroll down to the rate table). Here's how it goes. The State of Washington collects all sales tax, and then distributes the correct portions to the cities/counties. If I buy something from my neighbor's business, I pay 7.6%. If I travel just one mile away, I have to pay 8.0%. If I buy something 20 miles away in Seattle I pay 8.8%. If I buy something 10 miles away in Redmond or Kirkland, I also pay 8.8%, even though they get a substantial revenue from RADAR speed traps. If I have a Seattle contractor put an addition on my house I pay 7.6%, not 8.8%. If I buy something online from a company that has no presence in Washington state, I don't pay any sales tax, but I "must" pay 7.6% use tax. If I buy something online from Amazon, I pay 8.8%, unless I have them install it at my house, in which case I pay 7.6%. The situation has been complicated even further by the existence of taxation jurisdictions. For example, if I shop within the "Regional Transit Authority" (RTA) area I pay an extra 0.4%. The RTA apparently was drawn by a kindergartner on a map, and covers portions of King, Snohomish, and Pierce counties. Of course, all of this changes quarterly. How do you ever expect Bob's Hot Sauce in Wisconson to know the amount to charge me for sales tax? How can he calculate the correct taxation jurisdictions? Businesses in my own state can't even do it! There is supposedly a database available with every address in Washington that Bob can use to calculate the tax on hot sauce, but think of the software Bob will now be required to get. He doesn't even have a computer (he counts on the local high school nerd to set up his online presence).

Final point. When I buy items in Canada I pay a national GST tax of 7%. I also pay either for shipping or Provincial Sales Tax (7.5% in BC, if I buy in person). I can get the GST tax refunded, but not the PST. Who should get the PST money? Just last weekend in Canada I bought a US made item for really cheap (due to exchange rate) paid GST and PST, sent in my GST refund form, am I supposed to pay Use Tax? Who knows? I didn't have to pay duty since it was made in the US. The issue is too complex to make generalizations about, and involves two regional authorities, two federal authorities and international trade law. The system is too difficult for us average joe citizen's to figure out, so we will lose in the long run.

A.C.

This is the human body we're talking about. Not everyone will react the same way to any reliable system. For me, my prescription of 10mg adderall doses works just fine and three of these pills can keep me up for days of coding (ignoring psychosis dangers). But for some people, 10mg or even 20mg is not enough. And sometimes, 10mg starts to lose its effect.

Take into consideration the equilibrium effect. The whole reason these stimulants, or stimuli, stimulate the human body is the same reason why aerobic conditioning tires you out. These catalysts work because they are non-native to the body. But eventually the human body conditions itself so that the effects from these stimuli decrease in measure. Hence, the effects from coffee, amphetamines, running, swimming, smoking, etc. will decrease over time if consistantly applied in the same doses, again under the false assumption that the harmful side-effects like psychosis from amphetamines or stress fractures from running remain constant. I know there is research on this somewhere, but I also speak from experience.

And then you have to consider the long term effect of sleep deprivation. I can tell you that by the end of a college semester, after drinking gallons of coffee and swallowing bottles of amphetamines, your mind starts to become irritable and irrational which some studies attribute to the lack of REM. There's a lot of other effects described here and here

If any of you are getting ideas that the human body can adapt to sleep deprivation (in general) or that there exists a reliable method to stay awake (in general), you're wrong. And even if the body could adapt to sleep deprivation, it would only be effective for a limited amount of time. Could this time frame be cost effective with regard to the "wake-up drugs" and work scheduling? I'm sure this is a question that could be answered with linear programming and the predictive behaviors, although, I'm not sure as to the health risks involved. If the REAL problem is trying to become more productive, then I believe the solution lies not with sleep deprivation, but time management. Its not that the workers aren't working hard enough, its that they aren't being managed smart enough. If we managed things more like how a *nux kernel manages the process table and also imposed higher standards on the education of management, then I believe we could find far batter improvements in productivity. Of course, this is not the be-all-end-all list of improvements -- milege will vary.

Who cares about forged email headers? There's almost always an address or link to their site, and in Washington State, you can send a bill for $500 for each spam to the address listed on the domain registry for the link provided in the email to order whatever product they're selling. All you have to do first is register your email address in a public directory as a Washington State resident.
If you're interested Here's some more info

The issue here is deceptive advertisement, which is taken quite seriously. Look at the evolution of the car lease promotion. In the beginning, it gave a deceptive impression of the cost of the lease. Now the ads are required to disclose all costs. Likewise the print ads for department stores, which now carry notices that the list price does not mean a price at which anything was actually offered or sold. Of course, the closest example may be the deceptive verisign domain registration which cajoled people to switch their registrar through fraudulent means.

Beginning this year and finishing in 2008 the Washington State Department of transportation will be building a second suspension bridge across the Tacoma Narrows. About 30 miles south of Seattle. This bridge will be adjacent to the more famous bridge that collapsed in a windstorm 1940's and was rebuilt.

It will be the first suspension bridge of any reasonable size (over 5000ft) built in the United States since I believe the early 1960s. In recent years the only country (that I know of) building large numbers of suspension bridges has been Japan.

Wash. State DOT Project Page

While not pixel by pixel, the WSDOT Puget Sound Area Traffic page does give a very good representation of what's happening at any given moment on Seattle's interstates and highways (I5, I405, I90, hwy167, 522 and 520). The combination of speed sensors and a lot of traffic cameras really helps me plan my Bothell-Seattle commute (which sometimes constitutes a 1-hour 12 mile drive).

Verizon serves 923,000 residential and business customers in the state, including Everett, Kirkland, Redmond, Anacortes, Camas-Washougal, Ferndale, Lynden, Mount Vernon, Westport, Pullman, Newport, Richland, Kennewick, Wenatchee, Chelan, Quincy, Republic, Naches and Tonasket.

I think you missed a few points. (I voted yes)

There will be light rail, it will feed the Monorail to the north and south. (Which we need, full light rail would of been better.)

Commute time by monorail will be 100% quicker than bus, good reason for people to change from bus and car.

The Cost is high, but if we wait another 15 years (or is it 20 now, that light rail has been voted on) it will be 5 billion.

Who knows on the federal funding, our state has been spending money like crazy on the stupidest things for years. We are still paying off the kingdom, and we build a new one. Check out our state budget at http://www.ofm.wa.gov/ for more info.

BTW, main Seattle (Metro area) absentee voters tipped the vote to pass.

In fact a server with fruit on the front in the same facility servers this high traffic site, and another here also runs the voter info site for Washigton state... and it pulls in well over 5 million hits on election night.

Webserving doesn't take that much horsepower if the CGI's and databases are absent or minimal. Of course if you could tap the horsepower consumed by pinheaded Linux ditto-heads bashing single-button mice and other Macintosh-isms you could probably power a mid-size city for a few months.

It is hard to feel bad for states when there are huge tax bills already owed but uncollected. And that list only covers Western Washington, Eastern Washington has its own separate list. I am sure the car dealership that has been on that list forever would pay right up if the government went over there and started seizing vehicles.

It is hard to feel bad for states when there are huge tax bills already owed but uncollected. And that list only covers Western Washington, Eastern Washington has its own separate list. I am sure the car dealership that has been on that list forever would pay right up if the government went over there and started seizing vehicles.

"Also one of the oldest animals in the world, geoducks can live as long as 146 years."

Gee, we sure are learning a lot about gastropods today!

link

Spelling and pronunciation are both correct, but Geoduck is not a fowl, it is a mollusc, with a VERY LONG siphon. Make of that what you will. Check it here

I guess it's easier if you are the department of ecology.

http://apps.ecy.wa.gov/shorephotos/index.html

And curiously a search for Bangor reveals nothing ... no nuclear sub base here. Move along now.

Bangor/King Spit
nothing interesting except the large building and parking lot

same large building

a loading dock

Support dock with small patrol boats

one or two docked subs

Two docked subs?

Ordnance loading dock?

I wonder how long these photos will remain publicly available.

And curiously a search for Bangor reveals nothing ... no nuclear sub base here. Move along now.

Bangor/King Spit
nothing interesting except the large building and parking lot

same large building

a loading dock

Support dock with small patrol boats

one or two docked subs

Two docked subs?

Ordnance loading dock?

I wonder how long these photos will remain publicly available.

And curiously a search for Bangor reveals nothing ... no nuclear sub base here. Move along now.

Bangor/King Spit
nothing interesting except the large building and parking lot

same large building

a loading dock

Support dock with small patrol boats

one or two docked subs

Two docked subs?

Ordnance loading dock?

I wonder how long these photos will remain publicly available.

And curiously a search for Bangor reveals nothing ... no nuclear sub base here. Move along now.

Bangor/King Spit
nothing interesting except the large building and parking lot

same large building

a loading dock

Support dock with small patrol boats

one or two docked subs

Two docked subs?

Ordnance loading dock?

I wonder how long these photos will remain publicly available.

And curiously a search for Bangor reveals nothing ... no nuclear sub base here. Move along now.

Bangor/King Spit
nothing interesting except the large building and parking lot

same large building

a loading dock

Support dock with small patrol boats

one or two docked subs

Two docked subs?

Ordnance loading dock?

I wonder how long these photos will remain publicly available.

And curiously a search for Bangor reveals nothing ... no nuclear sub base here. Move along now.

Bangor/King Spit
nothing interesting except the large building and parking lot

same large building

a loading dock

Support dock with small patrol boats

one or two docked subs

Two docked subs?

Ordnance loading dock?

I wonder how long these photos will remain publicly available.

And curiously a search for Bangor reveals nothing ... no nuclear sub base here. Move along now.

Bangor/King Spit
nothing interesting except the large building and parking lot

same large building

a loading dock

Support dock with small patrol boats

one or two docked subs

Two docked subs?

Ordnance loading dock?

I wonder how long these photos will remain publicly available.