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Phoenix Project Considers A Name Change
Magpie writes "Recently Blake Ross, a developer of the Phoenix web browser, has made a post on the Mozillazine forums looking for a new name for the project.
Apparently the people over at Phoenix Technologies decided that the name interferes with their trademark since they make an 'internet access device .'" Maybe they could start with this list.
Ho-Ho/ Ho-Oo
The name for the Japanese phoenix
Come on, wouldn't that sound great? "Yeah, you Run Internet Explorer 7.2, but *I* run "Ho ho oh-point-nine".
1) It's pronounced "gooey-duck" which not only is reminiscent of "GUI" but is also non-intuitive, perfect for a Linux app.
2) The "duck" part is another bird.
3) The geoduck is a very large, slow creature. Much like Phoenix, despite their claims.
Minizilla?
Microzilla?
Nanozilla?
Picozilla?
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
Note: I removed the explanation of each bird so it would not be too long.
Alicanto, Anka, Ba, Bennu, Feng-huang, Harpies, Heloha, Ho-Ho/ Ho-Oo, Hyrcinian birds, Karshipta, Melatha, Nunyanune, Pegais, Pheng, Phoenix, Poua-Kai, Roc/ Ruc/ Rukh, Shang-Yang, Simurg/ Senmurv, Skyamsen, Stymphalian Birds, Thunderbird, Tlanuwa, Ziz
http://phreakinb.com
Mini-Mo
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
Tucson? Yuma? Flagstaff?
Have fun putting out the flames in your hair when anyone from the Pacific Northwest reads your "informative" post.
River
What Moz should have been
Ashes
Don't blame us for the rendering problems
Tucson
You will never see a 1.0 release
Two guys in a basement
Need donations
Ya know, I get sick of this crap. This is exactly why trademark laws as they currently exist are bullshit.
The Phoenix browser will not be confused with things produced by Phoenix Technologies. And the Mozilla developers certainly didn't name it Phoenix to take advantage of the wide name recognition (sarcasm here) of Phoenix Technologies.
Trademarks should only come into issue between competing products which are the exact same type of product (i.e., two different web browsers).
Another case of companies getting in the way of progress.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Suck it!
... to, say, Feenyx / Feenics / Fienix or something.
Just don't start a Hukt on Feenics marketing campaign.
That might not "fly" too well, if ya know what I mean...
Have EVDO, will travel.
Mothra?
Pterodactyl (sp)? Pterry?
Ostrich?
Emuzilla?
THERE IS NO DATA. THERE IS O
The OmniWeb Explorer/Navigator Opera
what do you guys think? It describes the function as well as the fact that it's a kind of performance by a group of people.
Hmmm ... Mozilla is short for Mosaic Killer, right? What would Internet Explorer Killer be?
x plorilla(*)
Exiller
Exilla
Expilla
Explilla
Explolla
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*possible Trademark infringement (ie. they may be catching on at this point)
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Geoducks are foul.
Now abalone, that's something I can sink my dick into.
asshole
dweebs
employed by
phoenix
technologies
so the adept browser.
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I liked Simurg, from that list. Agent of goodwill from the gods, or something like that.
How about this for a name: "Boycott Phoenix Technologies because they are such fucking bastards Internet Browser."
How long before Stallman suggests GNU/Phoenix?
MacGuyver isn't using that one anymore. Damn, I am a geek.
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When you come to a fork in the road, take it! --Yogi Berra--
browzilla
...no, wait....
surfnix
fred's browser
YABWWAHTOF --yet another browser when we already have tons of them
northgone--no really,this'll help obfuscate netscape evidence
XbrowzX --why, it's da rulez you need an x in there someplace, just because
interbrowznavplorerzilla
We*B*browzin
yomomsendmoney.browz
coca ~ cola
they can use my name, call it browzogger, I don'tcare
OK, these are from my friend plantlady on irc
speedzone
pumper
gadabout
hopper
How about a Tick reference: Arthur
was the name of their ill-fated BIOS based spyware product. It was ahead of its time, apparently.
viZilla
I live in a giant bucket.
Since Mozilla is a mixture of Mosaic and Godzilla IIRC (hence the logo), Phoenix should change its name to some permutation or combination of Gecko (the rendering engine used in Phoenix and Mozilla) and Mothra (like Gozilla, Mothra is an icon of classic Japanese monster movies):
Gethra
Geckra
Mothro
Mothreck
Geckzillathra
etc.
You mad fool, don't you know Geocities and Slashdot don't mix!
I vote for "Anka".
;+)
It's just like Phoenix, only it can carry off elephants (read between the lines here).
According to the list:
Anka
Arctic mythical bird that was said to carry off elephants. It was also believed to live for 1700 years and, like the phoenix, had the ability to burn and renew itself.
Please mod this post only if you think others should/n't read this. I have enough ego^H^H^Hkarma. Thanks!
Suzaku. I like Suzaku better.
Just call it Jean Grey
That was the worst thing I've ever posted! ;)
"Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
A mythical bird that brought peace and calmness to the sea. Staying with the mythical bird naming I think this would be a pretty nice name for a browser that could bring peace and calmness to the browser world :):):). Maybe not peace....
mozillai
>Maybe they could start with this list.
That's actually a good suggestion. Some of those names are pretty bitchen... I especially like:
Tlanuwa
Cherokee name of a great magical hawk. According to the Natchez it's feathers were made of metal.
- Have a picture
Best. Comment. Evar.
--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
They should call this browser "Atlantis." Named after another gigantic object that disappeared without a trace and is now all but forgotten.
Come one name the thing Newt. Newt is a small lizard, mozilla.... well you get the idea.
X(7): A program for managing terminal windows. See also screen(1).
I vote for "Anka".
I second that vote. As well as being a cool mythological bird (like a cross between a phoenix and a roc), it's got a nice phonetic equivalence with "anchor" (as in <a href=etc>).
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Here be Dragons
"Sparrow" , it's light and fast, good-natured, consumed little in the way of resources and can fit in just about anything.
...but what about "Mozilla Lite". Because that's it. Everybody who has even heard of Mozilla (and I know many IE users who did) might want to try it then - even though it has a low version number. Because they somehow now that it is, in fact, Mozilla - but lighter. Brand recognition, right?
Zilla is a very good name! Both for how it sounds and for advocacy.
I was worried about the Phoenix name - now i had just convinced my friends to use Mozilla, i have to tell them to change to Phoenix instead.
But if the new name is Zilla, well - half of the work is already done! 8)
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
GNU Not Phoenix
Brausemeister
Everybody knows what Kazza Lite is, a bloated down (?) version of the same thing. Keep consistent - do the same with Mozilla.
The "-zilla" bit should be kept for advocacy. I was worried about the Phoenix name - now i had just convinced my friends to use Mozilla, i have to tell them to change to Phoenix instead.
BTW "Zilla" is a very good name! Both for how it sounds and for advocacy. If the new name is Zilla, well - half of the work is already done! 8)
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
"swift robber" or something
plus, has that dinosaur theme
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
bird-like *and* dinosaur
May we never see th
How about changing it to: PhoeNIXED
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
Since I have no mod points, I'll have to vote with a message. I agree with the name Zilla.
I can't say that I don't give a fuck. I've just run out of fuck to give.
8( Am I a troll? One of those pesty hairy creatures? Snif snif! 8'(( I've never felt so insulted.
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
To be told more than anyone but a trademark lawyer would want to know, check out the USPTO's trademark page, or their FAQ.
The question of ``trademarks for competing products'' is addressed in Trademark Acceptable Identification of Goods and Services Manual , which lists all the different categories which will be considered for registration, from `Abacuses' to `Wholesale travel agencies'. (What, no zippers? :-) They've
got five (5) subcategories of `Computer cursor
control devices'---go look it up.
The one that looks closest to Phoenix, the browser, is
With that background, we can now check out Phoenix(the bozo)'s site.
Their full name is Phoenix Technologies, giving absolutely no clue as to what they actually make or do. We find mondo marketing buzzwordmanship (``Connect with Phoenix Technologies for Strategy2003'' ``undisputed device-enabling and management software leader'', &c.). The divisions listed on that front page are
Digging deeper reveals: Sonofabitch!, they're the Phoenix BIOS people, gone all upscale and gooey.Searching on ``Phoenix Technologies'' turns up three entries. two of which are still in use (``live''), with serial numbers
- 2625542,
and
- 2484133
Both are our pals', and both descriptions specify ``all sold to original equipment manufactures.'' The second one adds user manuals into the mix. As mentioned in an earlier post, there's a claim for ``interpretation of page description languages'', which I suspect means the BIOS can phone home for upgrades from a web site. It certainly doesn't sound like a general-purpose browser.(The raw entries (not the links above) also include:
Too bad they didn't add ``Phoenix'' to it.)Thus, they build stuff no normal human would ever go looking for, so only a geek would have to ``care for the differentiation'', which is why it counts. Any conflict between the two Phoenixes is purely in the minds of the greedy.
That said, of course, ramming it down their throats in a court of law is a lot more costly than a name change. However, if they could find a lawyer to write a letter pro bono, it might be enough to do the job.
I certainly hope the browser folks give the letter a try.
I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. -- desert rain on http://www.dailykos.com/user/
I kept waiting for someone to say it, but... so here it is: Less-Zilla?
"Fenix" is taken, as the publisher of a Win32 to ARM7TDMI cross-compiler distribution used by many GBA software developers.
Will I retire or break 10K?
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Adept Technology Inc. might get upset about that one.
Will I retire or break 10K?
How about:
... and I could go on...
Earth Browser
Wind Browser
Fire Browser
Water Browser
Spirit Browser
Stone Browser
Star Browser
Aurora Browser
Tree Browser
Ocean Browser
Land Browser
Hill Browser
Field Browser
"Piter, too, is dead."
Nuff said.
another name for a phoenix :P
Brought Fire to man. An added bonus is that it starts with a P, and they could use the "She's on Fire" tune from GTA3/Scarface.
Charzilla :/l a
Floatzilla
Doublezilla
Slashdotzilla (slashdot claims trademark infring..)
Bloatzilla
UnitedBrowser for UnitedLinux
YAWB yet another web browser
AllYourZillaAreBelongToUs
Penix
TuxZil
KaZilla
etc........
"Hydra" would be the name for a browser that not only made it impossible to disable pop-ups, but opened them on its own.
;)
Every time you closed a window, two more would open before you could blink.
bytesmythe
Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
-- Scott Meyer
Also forget the "...zilla" because too many zillas already exist. People will be confused between Mozilla, Ghostzilla, This-zilla, That-zilla, not to mention the term "Mozilla" is included in every browser identity string. However Phoenix is the browser you want to target to the common user if you are competing against IE. So give it a fresh name.
If you are going to keep the dinosaur (mozilla) pictorial reference then at least consider something more sensible like dinosaur names in order to target this browser in a meaningful way toward non-geek users. Or even change the mascot! .. if that's allowed by the License. For those who have pre-conceived negative ideas about Mozilla browsers, this might move them over to Phoenix based completely on its features rather than association.
Over the last couple of months I have switched over to Phoenix from IE! (The exclamation mark indicates that I am very surprised because I never thought it would happen). I think this represents the first time (for myself) that another browser has been comparible enough to the broad functionality and ease-of-use of IE, such that I can finally switch over without feeling I am missing something. Mozilla/Phoenix is a great piece of work. The fast startup time and lack of UI complexity in Phoenix (compared to Nescape 7 or other Mozillas) was just the icing on the cake that I needed to finally go the Mozilla-based way. Microsoft had better get tabbed browsing soon or else I might never use IE again.
Bring this great browser into the mainstream with a unique name that people will remember.
Ickypickypitang.
Someone you trust is one of us.
Mozilla, mozilla,.. ..and Mozookie
(or should that be Mozuki?)
I'd have thought that would have been the unanimous first 300 suggestions, but maybe our cartoons were different in Scotland?
Stick Men
I've got a couple good name suggestions:
SmallZilla
TinyZilla
but i think the best one would be LessZilla, you know, instead of MO zilla, you'd have Less.
If it's within the same industry, people will get confused. Trust me on this. If you've ever had to handle tech support calls from irate users demanding support for a product made by a different company, you know how frustrating that can be.
"I'm sorry sir, but you'll need to contact Widget Internet. We're Blodget Technologies."
"But it says here on your web site that you provide support for Widget."
"Sir, if you're having problems with your Internet service, than you need to contact your service provider."
"That's not you? Your web site says that you provide computer connections."
*sigh* "I'm sorry for the confusion, sir. The Widget that we support is a product that connects two computers, but that's a very different thing from an ISP like Widget Internet."
etc., etc.
phoenix my trademark then I'll nick his.
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The smallest dino discover so far is the MicroRaptor at 18cm and may or may not have had feathers.
I like the micro part in that it definatly ties in with computers, and it ties in with the Phoenix Project goal of small.
Of course there's nothing wrong with Slashzilla ; )
I just feel that the whole zilla thing has had it's day, and Sony could get nasty about it again with little notice.