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Re:eBooks> Not much at all, I suspect. Even if you just enter the term ebook (not even author or title information) on your favourite P2P software you'll see literally hundreds of titles out there already in plain text. Unfortunately I downloaded the Metallica autobiography and ended up with Battlefield:Earth instead. Bastards.
And if you thought Lars Ulrich was a badass copyright dude, wait'll you see what L. Ron Hubbard's landsharks are like! Sonny Bono of DMCA fame was a member. It gets worse from there.
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Re:That's a good thing!
This is already law for newspapers,
Yes, at least I know it is here in Norway, and it is a Good Thing, definately. However, it is not an absolute right, the editor has still very strong influence on what is allowed in. After all, they have limited space. It can be taken to court I think and the court will decide if the editor has to publish a rebuttal.
and why would internet sites be held to a lesser standard?
Because it is not a "lesser standard". The Internet is different, and, I would say, better suited to support critical debate.
And what is the alternative?
Some naive Semantic Web stuff.
Here goes: I'm hacking on the site of Norwegian Skeptics. There's nothing more valuable to a skeptic than an open, critical debate. I mean, the whole site exists mostly to engage people in debate whatever their position may be.
So, this is my idea, and it is something that I right now implement:
I'll use RDF to make basic statements like "this critizes this", "this supports this".
The idea is that you write a rebuttal, include an RDF statement saying which URI you critisize, and that's it. (I guess we need a law to enforce that cool URIs don't change
:-) ).Some day, will have our browsers detect those links, and provide elaborate listings of the whole debate. Our search engines will index it, and tell us who is engaged in the debate with whom, what URIs contain responses and rebuttals, etc. It is very, very simple really.
What the CoE (an organization I think is the best of EU, and I don't think too highly of EU (I'm Norwegian and voted no at the latest referendum)), should do, is pay for someone to write the code for Mozilla, for IE (if it is even meaningful), and for Google, and license it under a BSD license or drop it in the public domain. It is so typical of legislation bodies. They legislate without even looking to the possibility of creating something that will solve the problem better.
Facing countless lawsuits?
Well, I think this proposal will result in endless lawsuits, yes...
:-)I would extremely surprised if not the first use of this law will be an attack from Church of $cientology against Operation Clambake.
The way this law will be abused, and I'm sure from day 1, will be to direct floods of requests against some pronounced critics, with the intention of breaking their ability to respond and then sue.
On my skepsis.no website, we have, allthough we haven't had a workable content management system, published rebuttals. However, if I had many requests to post rebuttals, I wouldn't have had the time to do it. I would have had to close down the whole site.
This will serve as a DoS-by-lawyer attack on people who haven't got the infrastructure to deal with many rebuttals.
Instead, have someone write the software, it'll work so much better.
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Re:ADHD - No such thing.One thing everyone shoulde be aware of...
Fred Baughman is a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a front group for Scientology. The site www.adhdfraud.com can most likely be considered a front for the front group CCHR.
The ridiculous sound-bites on the front page ("ADHD--total, 100% Fraud"?) immediately rang a bell with me, and the "commentary" page reeked of the irrational garbage typically spewed forth by the Co$/CCHR.
A quick google of "Fred Baughman" revealed a page at the CCHR's site by Dr. Fred, and a PBS interview from May 4, 2000. Nothing wrong with any of that, but why doesn't he disclose his affiliations on the front page?
The connection is made clearly edvient from this page, where Dr Baughman recommends the CCHR.
The poster is most likely either a Scientology shill (hello OSA!), or a common troll.
For more information on Scientology, see Operation Clambake, or for it's constant (and irrational and paranoid) war on the mental health profession, see for instance here.
Now, I won't say you shouldn't trust Dr. Fred as your doctor, but please, just be aware of his connection to a dangerous mind-control cult. And remember to always take all input with a huge glacier of salt, this post included.
oSlash
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Re:ADHD - No such thing.One thing everyone shoulde be aware of...
Fred Baughman is a medical expert for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a front group for Scientology. The site www.adhdfraud.com can most likely be considered a front for the front group CCHR.
The ridiculous sound-bites on the front page ("ADHD--total, 100% Fraud"?) immediately rang a bell with me, and the "commentary" page reeked of the irrational garbage typically spewed forth by the Co$/CCHR.
A quick google of "Fred Baughman" revealed a page at the CCHR's site by Dr. Fred, and a PBS interview from May 4, 2000. Nothing wrong with any of that, but why doesn't he disclose his affiliations on the front page?
The connection is made clearly edvient from this page, where Dr Baughman recommends the CCHR.
The poster is most likely either a Scientology shill (hello OSA!), or a common troll.
For more information on Scientology, see Operation Clambake, or for it's constant (and irrational and paranoid) war on the mental health profession, see for instance here.
Now, I won't say you shouldn't trust Dr. Fred as your doctor, but please, just be aware of his connection to a dangerous mind-control cult. And remember to always take all input with a huge glacier of salt, this post included.
oSlash
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Re:silly..
"The purpose of a lawsuit is not to win but to harass" - L. Ron Hubbard - Cult Founder
Yeah, and we know what that cult's been up to. -
$CO and CO$
Considering that SCO seems to be relying on the L. Ron Hubbard theory of public relations ("always attack, never defend"), that it relies on waves of lawsuits for survival, and that other posters have pointed out what a huge foot bullet this statement is, I suspect SCO has closer ties to another cult.
So... does that make Unix an anagram for an alien locked in a volcano somewhere? -
$CO and CO$
Considering that SCO seems to be relying on the L. Ron Hubbard theory of public relations ("always attack, never defend"), that it relies on waves of lawsuits for survival, and that other posters have pointed out what a huge foot bullet this statement is, I suspect SCO has closer ties to another cult.
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Some things missing
* In 1991 Linux, the first internet-virus basing on the GPL infected the network and endangered the satanic leadership of the M$-Corp.
* 2005. After years of law-suits against /. and google, Scientology buys the internet from inventor Al Gore.
* In the years between 1997 and 2037 a hacker-group calling themself slashdot attacked various internet-sites by send out millions of modem-armed soliders. -
Yeah RightWhenever a work of L. Ron Hubbard was published, the Co$ (Cult of $cientology) would order its members to go out and buy ten copies of the book to drive it up the best seller list.
When the movie Battlefield Earth came out the Co$ ordered its members to rush to the theaters on opening weekend and view the movie multiple times.
Co$ has a huge influence in Hollywood and in the music industry. So pardon me for being skeptical but the red flag that goes up in my brain is did the music industry artificially inflate these numbers by directing their employees and affiliates to rush out and buy 50 songs from this service...
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Ethical Retribution
Or Revenge, however you want to put it.
What is needed is an organized "army" of individuals willing to "return fire" when something like this happens. Kind of like NATO is supposed to do - whenever a member nation is attacked, all of NATO is supposed to respond to protect their member. When one of us is attacked there needs to be response - organized, continuous response until the attacker either relents or is made irrelevent (ie shows up here).
I have an idea, Slashcourt. We can set up our own trial system (fair, of course), give the accusers the right to make their case, give the accused the right to defend themselves, all online of course.
Sitting back and writing a letter of protest is just going to get them laughing at your expense. It's time to kick it up a notch and return with something that has teeth.
Everyone needs to read The Art of War. Then, find a way to fight back. There are plenty of ways to fight back which can destroy an individual and really damage a corporation, without breaking any laws. Use them on the enemy. Take a look here for some methods that cults use to silence people.
I'm not making any judgment as to whether or not what the guy did was illegal or immoral. My only judgment is for the harshness of his penalty in relation to what he did
Find the person or persons involved with making the penalty so harsh. Take out retribution on them. Be sure they know what it's for. -
Re:Missing Link
Bow to Xenu!
What's that? Xenu? Oh, you must be talking about Xenu.net! Sure, that's a good site! -
my beef against Yahoo
If you look in their Opposing Views of Scientology section, you will find no mention of Operation Clambake, the most important web site devoted to revealing the truth about the cult.
Why? -
A good starter for finding these
is Google. "ethical dilemmas" technology yields some good ones, and some false positives; here's an interesting paper.
The first hit and one of my favorite questions, which I've debated to some length with friends in the past, is to what extent you can observe your workers' use of the Internet. After all, their traffic runs through your servers in a manner akin to a person shouting cell-phone conversations; but should you accept that those 8 hours a day will not all be spent filling TPS reports, or should you employ Draconian tactics to monitor users' porn-site usage?
Another interesting one, less IT-related but also interesting, is the economic issue: if the application of certain expensive technology can save human lives, should it be used, to whom should it be offered, and who should have to pay?
Perhaps one day SETI will present us with another dilemma: If you know a religion to be false, should you tell its followers? Some would say this is already an issue in the modern information-enabled world. -
Re:Bad example ?I don't think that Hollywood and the movie studios care so much about the outcome of the trial as long as the process is scaring the shit out of other potential code writers.
The goal of the process is not "justice" (Whatever that word means in the US of A) but to make an example out of John. "Hey, if you mess with us we will keep you tied up in legal problems for 10 years, guilty or not!"
Exactly the modus operandi of Co$ (Cult of $cientology), who carry out a policy of "fair game" to crush and silence critics through burying them in legal papers and draining their finances through the courts. They use coercion and/or blackmail to extract false affidavits and depositions from associates, they manufacture false and untrue accusations, and they doctor evidence against critics.
And interestingly enough, Co$ has a huge presence in Hollywood. A good majority of the people who work in the movie industry are members of Co$.
But copying Co$ tactics may not earn the MPAA any friends of the court in the future. Many judges worldwide, wise to their methods, have condemned Co$ tactics as barratrous and in bad faith of the courts.
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Re:Battlefield Earth
That movie was terrible. You obviously don't read enough Operation Clambake.
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Re:And...
Nothing in the holy handbooks about life anywhere else except here.
That depends which holy handbook you check.
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Well, no kidding...
Of course Nancy Cartwright has no trouble shifting between different characters. According to her religion^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcult, she's infested with the souls of dead people & aliens, many of whom were blown up 75 billion years ago by the Galactic Overlord Xenu in volcanoes by H-bombs.
Because of this, and other dirty deeds done by the cult of $cientology, I personally boycott The Simpsons, JAG, Dharma & Greg, South Park, and other TV shows and movies that employ $cientologists. (And yes, my local affiliates and the networks know why I don't watch their shows!) -
Well, no kidding...
Of course Nancy Cartwright has no trouble shifting between different characters. According to her religion^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcult, she's infested with the souls of dead people & aliens, many of whom were blown up 75 billion years ago by the Galactic Overlord Xenu in volcanoes by H-bombs.
Because of this, and other dirty deeds done by the cult of $cientology, I personally boycott The Simpsons, JAG, Dharma & Greg, South Park, and other TV shows and movies that employ $cientologists. (And yes, my local affiliates and the networks know why I don't watch their shows!) -
Re:Millons?
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Re:... and in other news...
Duh, Co$ will definitely go with the DCMA crowd.
They love to sue anyone who points out that they're a fascist scam of a UFO cult.
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Re:Reading List
I've so far avoided L Ron Hubbard's stuff on principle. I don't want to fund a radical Christian cult, thanks all the same.
Do Scientologists really even qualify as Christians? I really doubt it.
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slashdot troll faq (posted by AnimeFreak)The
/. troll HOWTO
This is version 0.6 of a troll HOWTO, sort of a companion piece to jsm's excellent troll FAQ. As a draft, comments and criticism are always welcome, if not appreciated
:)
Section 1 - Trolling techniques
There are techniques used by successful trolls to elicit the maximum amount of responses from unthinking
/.ers. This section is dedicated to explaining how to use these in the course of your trolls. Remember though, a great troll can break any or all of these and still be successful...
- Timing
Because you're posting as an AC, your troll will generally be ignored in favour of posters using their accounts, and so getting in early is essential. A good guideline is to get into the first 20 posts, so that people reading the article will see the troll before it is swamped out. One way of increasing the speed with which you get your troll into play is to prepare them beforehand, and then quickly customise them for the current article. This is easier than it sounds since
/. typically repeats stories with small variations and runs lots of similar stories.
Note that this is why Jon Katz stories are pretty worthless as trolling material - by the time you've found the article and prepared a troll there's already 50+ posts on it, most of them flaming Jon Katz anyway
:)
- Exposure
Once you've got your troll in, you need people to actually read it. You also want replies -
/.ers are more likely to read your troll if it starts a large thread. You also want to remember that some people have set their comment thresholds to values higher than 0 - to get the attention of these you either want to get your post moderated up (see Style, below) or get a reply which gets moderated up to 4 or 5, in which case your troll becomes visible to all.
- Accounts
An alternative to the time-honoured tradition of AC trolling is that of creating a "troll" account. This gives you the advantage of posting at 1 rather than 0, and slashbots are more likely to take you seriously, especially if you at least sound reasonable. If you do this, try to avoid posting stuff where it is obvious you're a troll under the account - post it anoymously instead - some slightly more canny readers actually check your user info before they reply. Not many though
:)
The ultimate goal of the troll account is to secure the +1 bonus, which is currently received once you hit 26 points of Karma. To get there, employ the techniques of karma whoring that we see every day on
/. and watch the karma roll in. And of course once you get the +1 bonus, the world is your oyster in terms of /. Posts made at a default of 2 hit even those people with the threshold of 2, are more likely to get moderated up even further if they are at all coherent, and people tend to lose their critical thinking abilities in the face of the +1 bonus. Milk it for all it's worth.
- Layout
To get people reading it a troll needs to be easily readable. Make sure you break it down into easily digestible paragraphs, use HTML tags where appropriate (but always make sure you close them properly) and use whitespace appropriately.
- Size
Generally a troll shouldn't be too short, otherwise it'll get lost in the crowd. A workable minimum is a couple of medium paragraphs. Conversely, it shouldn't be too long, or no-one will bother to read it. Keep it to a happy medium.
- Spelling
Whilst spelling is important if you want the troll to be taken "seriously", key spelling mistakes can draw out the spelling zealots, especially if you mis-spell the name of a venerated
/. hero, like Linus Torveldes or Richard Strawlman (thanks dmg). Related to this is the use of the wrong word, explaining an acronym as being something it isn't or making a word into an acronym even when it isn't.
- Subject
The subject line needs to draw attention to your post without making it obvious that it is a troll. A simple statement of the main point of your argument can work here.
- Style
Once you realise that most moderators don't bother to read past the first paragraph or two, you can use this fact to craft trolls that can be moderated up as "Insightful" (note that I mean this in the
/. sense rather than the real-world sense). Start off fairly reasonable, making statements that are /. friendly and not being too controversial. As the troll goes on, make it more and more controversial, building it up for the coup de grace in the final paragraph.
- Linking
As we all know, a post with links is considered "informative" by the
/. crowd. Moderators love it, and they rarely check the links, so be sure to include as many as possible. And make them wrong - a link to the Perl website should instead point to the Python website instead, and vice versa. The other alternative to incorrect links is "useful" links to places like www.linux.org and www.microsoft.com i.e. places /.ers could never have found on their own :)
- Feeding
The ideal troll requires no feeding - it runs on its own, generating flamewars between clueless
/.ers for your amusement. But often a troll requires some help and so you should consider feeding it. Feeding is best reserved for people making either completely clueless responses, people making responses with holes in, or those wonderful people who write a 2000-word point-by-point rebuttal of your troll.
- Know your audience
Always keep in mind the kind of things advocated on
/. so that you can play on and against them. This is why anti-Linux, creationist, gun-loving, pro-corporation trolls work well - the vast majority of /.ers hold the opposite viewpoints. And if a few people agree with you, so much the better - it merely validates your viewpoint in the eyes of readers.
- Arrogance
Be arrogant. You, as a troll, know that you're right. No other explanation could exist. The wronger the "fact", the more assertively you should state it. Make it clear that you are better than everyone else - you know the truth and they are just too stupid to realise it. Use plenty of sarcasm, and use "quotes" to show it to people too dumb to realise.
- Offensiveness
Being offensive in your initial troll can be counter-productive - it causes moderators to mark you down as flamebait in general. But if you're feeding, then you can get away with calling
/.ers all kinds of things. Make broad generalisations
about /. readers - call them "long-haired Linux zealots", "socialist open-source bigots" or whatever. Stereotyping is encouraged - people always want to think that they're an individual, and will point this out to you given half a chance.
- Indifference
Great for articles with a political or social bent, this kind of troll expresses complete indifference to the topic at hand, wondering who on Earth cares about it. An alternative method is to say that the topic only concerns a certain group of people - criminals, idiots, hackers (always use this instead of crackers) or whatever group you want to offend.
- Sympathy
Appear to take the same stance as the people you're trying to troll - claim you're as much a fan of Linux as the next man, but... This way you can make all kinds of claims in the sure knowledge that you actually know what you're talking about. A great phrase to use here is "In my experience". Remember to act like all the things you're pointing out are unfortunate but true.
- The common touch
Always accuse
/.ers of being elitist. This is an easy thing to do seeing as a lot of them are. Claim that is their grandmother couldn't use it, then they are just into it to feel better than Joe Sixpack rather than "doing it for the average user". This is always great for working into anti-Linux trolls - attack command-line tools and poorly designed desktops.
- The 31337 touch
The opposite of the above. Claim that technology or whatever is only for the elite of society and that any attempt to open it up for everyone is wrong, an attack on intellectualism and possibly even dangerous. If people were meant to
understand these things then they would, and it's their fault if they're too stupid to learn.
- Contradiction
Never be afraid to contradict yourself, even in the space of a single sentence. The phrases "I am a top programmer who codes in VB" or "I am a supporter of open source who uses NT at work and 95 at home" will be sure to get a response from some weenie smugly pointing out the contradiction. Confuse the issue more by engaging in contradiction when you are feeding - this will confuse
/.ers who will then make even more stupid replies, leaving them even more wide open for response.
Clues
If you're feeling brave, give the reader clues that this is an obvious troll. The classic example here is dmg's stock phrase "I am often accused of trolling (whatever that is)", but also feel free to use phrases like "I have not read the article, and I don't know much about XYZ but I feel I must comment". If anyone responds to a troll with these kinds of clues in it, feel free to bask in the glow of knee-jerk
/. responses.
- Denial
If you're unlucky someone will accuse you of being a troll (surely not!) and try and ruin it for you. If you don't want it all to end there, then be sure to counter it by accusing them of being small-minded and petty, saying that it's easier for them to say it's a troll than to accept that people have different opinions. Be sure to say this in the subject line, especially if their subject was the infamous "YHBT. YHL. HAND."
- Claiming credit
Given that
/. has its community of regular trolls (hi guys!), it's only polite to publish your troll on one of the so-called "hidden" forums for all to see and admire. This way, you get to bask in the praise of other trolls, they get to contribute to your's if they want to, and you get an easy way to find the troll later on when you want to check on its progress :)
As for when to post it, that's a matter of opinion really. You can either post it straight away or leave it will after people start biting. Remember that the troll forum is also frequented by non-trolls, and sometimes you may get a self-declared "troll-buster" try and expose you. But remember,
/.ers always post before thinking, and often it doesn't matter at all.
There is no real current forum at the moment thanks to various spammers hitting the sids, but try trolltalk, the original troll sid started by 80md and osm way back in the day. Generally all postings are done there as an AC, with your name at the end of the post. Include a link to the troll somewhere in the text, which ideally will be directly to the post and its replies - click on the #XX link in the thread to get there.
- Ending the troll
Sometimes you just get bored with a troll, or people start posting genuinely thoughtful stuff in reply (it does happen). When this happens it might be time to own up to the troll with a helpful "YHBT. YHL. HAND." post. Sometimes people will carry on a discussion of the issue, and if you're really lucky (and it was a great troll) they will completely fail to believe you and carry on arguing. If that happens, pat yourself on the back for writing a great troll
:)
- The cheap $3 crack
Finally, when all else fails and your troll gets moderated down to (-1, Troll) within ten seconds of you posting it, the only honourable thing to do is to accuse the moderators of smoking the cheap $3 crack (again) and give up
:(
Section 2 - Types of troll
- The Maniac
Probably the most popular kind of troll, the Maniac holds an opinion on something, and won't budge from that opinion no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented. If challenged, the Maniac will simply get more and more agitated and abusive, deriding his opponents as "idiots", "wrong-thinking", "dangerous" and "subversive". Generally the Maniac takes a position that opposes the prevalent
/. beliefs, but a similar effect can be achieved by taking a typical /. viewpoint and pushing it to ridiculous
extremes.
Maniacs can be crafted for practically every article
/. posts, although some are more obvious targets than others. Civil liberty articles, especially on things like censorship, DMCA, UCITA that really get /.ers riled up, are usually extremely fruitful grounds for a well-crafted maniac. The other obvious type of article is anything which could possibly involve religion, especially evolution :)
Here are some fruitful avenues to explore:
- The right-wing
Always popular, the right-wing maniac (RWM) is a God-fearing, gun-toting, flag-waving American, and proud of it. They don't care about the rest of the world, unless it's to "prove" that America is better than everything else, and they cannot stand liberal whining over civil rights. They hate the moral decay of America and want it to revert into a nation of heterosexual, Christian whites like it was meant to be. Woe betide anyone that dares to suggest otherwise.
- Religion
There are two ways to approach this kind of maniac. The harder to pull off is the militant atheist, but this is quite common amongst
/. posters and you would have to be very offensive to get this to work. Of course with religion trolls, the argument can go on for ever once it's started... The more common approach is the Christian fundamentalist. They are ignorant, intolerant and bigoted in the extreme. For them the Bible is the inerrant word of God revealed to man - it contains no flaws and no contradictions. Thus they are strict Creationists - mentions of evolution or cosmology will set them off on vitriolic rants. Flaming denunciations of anyone daring to contradict the "Word of God" are the way to go, and any kind of proof can always be ignored by appealing to "secular humanist brainwashing". And let's not forget, the USA is the greatest nation on Earth because it has the righteous power of Jesus Christ behind it.
- Ideology
Pick a philosophy, any philosophy. This troll is a troll with a cause - they have found some kind of ideological truth, and are out to expose every other philosophy as a sham. Whether it be libertarianism, objectivism, communism or capitalism, this troll will point out the obvious "flaws" in any other philosophies, whilst spouting dogma about their own. And the best thing is - you don't even need to know that much about what you're spouting - making doctrinaire mistakes will get both sides of the argument flaming you, adding to the fun.
- Software
This is an old favourite and crops up in many forms, covering the gamut from OS maniacs (Linux zealots, MS-apologists or embittered BSD fanatics), language maniacs (Pascal vs. C, C vs. C++, C++ vs. Java, Perl vs. Python, VB vs. everything),
application maniacs(GIMP vs. Photoshop, Netscape vs. IE, vi vs. emacs) and also includes people who complain about how technology should only be for the 31337 hackers.
- Guns
Americans love their guns, and will always fight passionately for their Constitutionally guarenteed rights to bear arms and shoot people. Even the slightest hint of criticism of this will bring down the wrath of a thousand and one enraged gun-owners on you, so it's always a great point to work into a troll
:)
- The right-wing
- The Expert
The Expert is someone who is "savvy" in their particular field, and is perfectly willing to give their opinion on any topic even vauguely related to their field. The Expert is most likely to be from a field which
/.ers as a rule despise - the classic example is dumb marketing guy, but try consultants, lawyers, politicians, lobbyists, executives, journalists (just think Jon Katz). With this kind of troll sweeping statements with little content are the norm, along wire dire portents of future catastrophe and dark hints of "insider knowledge".
Some possible angles to exploit:
- Industry knowledge
The expert knows the computing industry from the inside - as a long-term pro, they can dispense knowledge knowing that they can "speak for the industry". Their smug self-satisfaction is bound to annoy, as is any suggestion that things aren't the way that
/.ers would like it - saying "Linux requires the rock-solid guarantee of a trusted company like Microsoft" or "Apache cannot be trusted for mission-critical enterprise platforms" is guaranteed to get you denials explaining exactly why you're wrong, in excruciating detail.
- Helpful hints
With their tech-savvy (or law-savvy or whatever) experience, the expert is obviously the best person to point out what's wrong with things or to give out useful "factual" information. In fact this probably works best with lawyer trolls - for all that
/.ers protest "IANAL", they certainly seem to think they could be, and any mistakes you make will send them rushing to prove themselves by correcting you.
- Industry knowledge
- Offtopic Trolls
Not really a "troll" in the strict Jargon File sense of the word, but they certainly should be included here
:) This category includes parodies, offtopic weirdness any all kinds of amusing stuff. Not really my area of expertise, this stuff is mainly done by gnarphlager and opensourceman. Thanks to gnarphlager for this section.
Offtopic trolls, like any other, come in almost as many colours as an iMac, but generally not as cute. But then again, a good offtopic "troll" can affect more people than a repulsive little gumdrop on your desk, because you need to have someone SEE your desk before they can react. Simple? Moreso than even my overblown prose could indicate. Some basic examples:
- The serial troll
Write a story. Keep expanding it. It doesn't matter what article you post it under, so long as it's high up. If you want people to recognize you, pick a couple themes or symbols, and carry them on throughout the story. Other alternatives include back linking or including the entire story, but adding more each time. Be funny if you want. Or if you don't feel like being funny, just be really weird. Someone will react.
- The random troll
This has nothing to do with anything. Be it a stream of consciousness rant, or a description of the corner of your desk. Another favorite is a monologue, read as if spoken from any one given entity to another. The more outlandish, the better (a pair of socks talking to a mousepad, for example). If you really wanted to be artsy, work in an actual metaphor or legitimate meaning behind it, but it's not necessary.
- The vaguely related troll
Start out with a comment about the article. Have a definite opinion of it. Then, after a little while, disintegrate into randomness. All roads eventually can eventually lead to cheese (yum), Natalie Portman, cannibalism, toasters, squirrels, futons, you name it. All it takes is a little bit of creativity. Oh, and feel free to use other trolls' motifs. Open source and all that
;-)
General tips:
- If it's funny for a fleeting moment, then it's worth posting.
- Puns. Puns are only less vile than mimes, but it's hard to mime on
/. So feel free/obligated to litter your offtopic and random bits with puns. Hurt the bastards. And if they're sick enough to laugh at them, then they'll eventually end up here ;-)
- Obscure cultural references and injokes are always good. SOMEONE will get them eventually.
- Several drafts of a serial or random post are common, but true elegance is being able to come up with something on the spot that still makes the top 40 posts (on a post-heavy article)
- The serial troll
Section 3 - Useful trolling links
The following links contain background information useful for trolls needing quick quotes and "expert" opinions to include.
- General purpose links
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
:)
- www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.htm
l - A List Of Fallacious Arguments - Learn them and use them liberally - www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html - USENET troll HOWTO
- www.baiting.org - Baiting.org
- www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm - Fielding's DangerFinder - A guide to what and where's dangerous
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
- Religious links
- www.godhatesamerica.com/ - God Hates America
- www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html - The Creed of Christian Reconstruction
- www.demonbuster.com - How to cast out your demons and do spiritual warfare
- riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/riggins/th
i ngs.htm - Things Creationists hate - www.icr.org/ - Institute for Creation Research
- www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - The fight against Scientology on the net
- www.hom.net/~angels/ - Citizens for the Ten Commandments
- www.bju.edu/rcnbc.html - The difference between Catholics and Christians
- www.geocities.com/prazske00/biblequotes.html - Bible quotes by category
- www.godhatesamerica.com/ - God Hates America
- Political/economy links
- www.aynrand.org - The Ayn Rand Institute
- www.reason.com - Libertarian site
- www.freerepublic.com - Right-wing stuff
- www.jbs.org - Excellent site for all kinds of right-wingery
- www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html - Web economy bullshit generator
- www.aynrand.org - The Ayn Rand Institute
- Crackpot science links
- www.fixedearth.com - The Earth Is Not Moving
- www.jir.com/index.htm - The Journal of Irreproducible Results
- www.fixedearth.com - The Earth Is Not Moving
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Google bomb?
Let's Google bomb them. Everyone add a link to their website/blog extolling the virtues of this internet moron whose actions are big fucking waste of time and money.
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Re:Elvis is going to have to start flipping burger
Actually, it wouldn't be Elvis collecting, it would be his wife Priscilla, and his Daughter, Lisa Marie. And since they're in the cult of $cientology, that means a good share of that money will end up in the cults pocket as well.
Which gets turned right around into paying lawyers to sue the internet out of existance.
Which is why I won't buy any Elvis stuff.
"If you buy Elvis... you support terrorists!" wait... no "If you buy Elvis... you support people who will call you 'Copyright Terrorist!'"
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riaa == scientology?
The more I read about RIAA and their flawed logic used in arguments, the more I see parallels between them and Scientology. Both of them really are insane... http://xenu.net
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Easy - FreenetFreenet is being used, among many other things, to distribute information in China to people who couldn't get it any other way. It is also being used in this country to distribute censored information about the Church of Scientology, and in the UK to distribute information censored under the official secrets act.
It is early days yet, but at least this demonstrates the type of things it can be useful for.
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Did Life Originate Underwater?
Crap I hope not, or else L. Ron Hubbard would be right that we did start as clams !
I think I'll jump out of window now !