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Re:Agreed.
Have you looked at http://www.zimbra.com?
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Re:Ummm... Easy... but costlyUg - pricing on this is much worse than Exchange. From their pricing page:
The Zimbra Collaboration Suite Network - Standard Edition is available for $28/user/year, with a minimum of 500 users. Additional users are $28 per user per year and can be purchased in 50 user blocks. The Standard Edition includes upgrades and the following Premium Support plan: * Access to the Network Edition-only knowledge base * Access to Zimbra support services portal, e-mail, phone and 7x24 crisis support
$28 x minimum 500 users = $14000 per year?!
I'm not a Microsoft proponent by any means but Exchange can be purchased for about $1100 w/5 CALs to start then somewhere about $500 every 5 CALs.
For a business with 100 users where SBS 2003 could not help:
Exchange CALs
$1100 + (19 x 500) = $10600 one time (may want to throw in software assurance too)
Best case scenario in a 5 year period and no support calls were made whatsoever:
Zimbra $70000 > Exchange $10600 -- Now as a CEO/CFO or company controller, which would you go with?
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Zimbra?I've not looked at it in any great depth recently, but Zimbra is aiming to be what you are looking for and is now up to v3.0 so should be fairly mature. Zimbra's webclient is AJAX based rather than ActiveX, so unlike Exchange's Outlook Web Access even non-Microsoft browsers get all the pretty bells and whistles in the interface. You also have a much broader range of stand-alone clients to choose from without loosing much, if any, of Exchange's level of functionality.
If you stick with Exchange on the backend and just want to replace Outlook then Evolution is probably your best (if not only) choice as it implements most of Outlook's functionality. It also support other mail client standards like IMAP and POP3 of course, so will seamlessly integrate with any almost other backend mail server too. Packages for UNIX are readily available and the Windows port is also stable, and although there isn't a pre-rolled installation package just yet, that can't be too far off.
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Zimbra
I think Zimbra would meet your needs.
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Ummm... Easy...
Zimbra.com Look at the demo. It can be made to integrate with AD's LDAP. It has calendaring, e-mail and contacts. And there are Outlook/Exchange migration tools. Also check out the forums on Zimbra.com. This should really be a Slashback...
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Zimbra
It's pretty much all you need. And it runs on MacOS X. And open source, kinda.
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Re:Suitable Exchange compatible linux apps??
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Re:Suitable Exchange compatible linux apps??
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Zimbra
Zimbra is a neat new open source offering that is very Mac OS X friendly, integrates with just about everything and runs on OS X server and various Linux flavors.
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Zimbra
Have you checked out http://zimbra.com/? It's a complete OSS email, contact, calendaring solution. I'm not sure about the Entourage integration, but it does have outlook integration in the commercial version. I'd be surprised that it doesn't work. It does come with an AJAX interface that's well worth looking into as an addition/replacement for entourage.
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tachijuan
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Try Zimbra
Zimbra attempts to provide this (and much, much more):
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Zimbra has REST API's
Zimbra has a host of REST API's. These would allow you to access all your Zimbra data via SSH when needed. You could also just set up an SSH tunnel to get to the web UI, unless by SSH you mean command line only.
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AJAX drag and drop email is becoming commonplace
AJAX based drag-and-drop email is becoming commonplace now. At this point it's a "must have" feature, and any web based email program that doesn't have it is going to look as if it hasn't been updated since 2004
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Yahoo and MSN both have it now. Even the software that drives private email systems has it now. You've probably seen the screenshots for Roundcube, and you've probably seen the screenshots and swf-demos of systems like Citadel and Zimbra.
The point is, Google was the big trailblazer here, but at this point, everyone is now on that trail. The bar has been raised and rich AJAX webmail has quickly gone past "innovative" and is now "an expectation." Meanwhile, Google is probably busy cooking up the Next Big Thing. We hope. :) -
Help yourself, I never touch the stuffAjax,
Only for webapps. And even then it's not necessarily going to be cross-browser, depending on what you're doing with it.Stick to standards compliant browsers. That gets you something that works on firefox and safari. You can even distribute a custom XUL app as a front end. That gets you around the browser issue neatly.
You don't write cross-platform applications by making a web site.
You better tell these folks.
And these
And then there are this lot
And then there's a little known crowd called Google. GMail and Google maps are both ajax based.
Oh, and you don't need a web site, just a locally running back end that uses http over the port of your choice. It's no worse than running a database where the DBMS runs in its own process or thead.
Java applications still suck, even on modern systems with scads of RAM.
"Appeal To Suckage". Isn't that a logical fallacy?
Functionality you get for free with native applications is either missing or doesn't behave properly.
I belive that's called "writing buggy software". Its not java's fault if you can't use it correctly. It's not my favourite language either, but I don't blame the language if my programs don't work.
As a developer, when my choice is between "Application for one platform that works beautifully on one platform" and "Application for all platforms that falls short on all of them," I know what my choice will be.
So? No one is going to force you to write cross platform apps. Just because it may increasingly yeild market advantage, that doesn't make it compulsory.
You DID have a better argument here than "I like what I like and everything else sucks" didn't you?
You probably mean C# here... "dotNet" is an incredibly nebulous term,
Um... no. dotNet (or more properly
.NET) refers to MS answer to Java. More specifically to the CIL and the .NET runtime. There are a dozen or so langauges that can generate executables for the dotNet runtime. C#, granted, but also C++, Java, VB.NET... even Perl.If you want to see how elegant cross-platform can be and has been for years, open up Notepad, MSN Messenger, Word, and Internet Explorer. There's not a UI commonality between the lot of them. Notepad is still stuck in the 80s. But they're all supposedly part of the same system.
So you're saying that because MS can't keep a consistent look and feel across multiple apps on a single platform, it therefore follows that no-onecan keep a consistent look-and-feel for a single app across multiple platforms?
What were you saying about crack pipes?
Do you really want every application on your system to be that divergent in terms of UI? That's invariably what happens.
Counter examples: gmail, gaim, firefox.
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What about Zimbra
Why aint nobody talking about Zimbra.
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More choices for Linux than for Windows
This is more fud in a way, there are several choices in linux; Kontact, Evolution and Thunderbird all offer much better email functionality than Outlook. Where there is a difference is in providing exchange functionality and that too exists on several fronts, Kolab, OpenExchange and Zimbra all provide Exchange functionality and Horde/Kolab and Zimbra both provide compelling web interfaces that are equal to what is provided by Exchange in terms of shared calendars and shared addressbooks. I think the only thing not provided yet is the ability for mail rules to be seamlessly migrated from the mailclient to the server so you don't have to setup your mailrules/filters twice. Thunderbird needs solid calendaring, this is true. This is probably the biggest problem out there because in doing windows to linux migrations you ALWAYS want to migrate them in a staged format by getting them onto the apps they will be using in linux while still having them on windows and thunderbird is the only one that is crossplatform. Unless you migrate them to web based solutions like Horde/Kolab or Zimbra. Personally i use Horde/Kontact and love it although i will admit Zimbra is pretty sweet looking having been done in AJAX. http://kolab.org/ http://zimbra.com/ http://www.openexchange.com/
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Re:Corporations and web based email
I think they have things like http://www.zimbra.com/ in mind.
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Re:real reason why
So then please check out http://www.zimbra.com/ and say that again!
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live demo is a rev behind (for now)
Lot of traffic coming our way because of this story. Just wanted to pipe in and say that the live demo on our Zimbra site is running our older 3.0 M1 release. Also, the live demo is heavily throttled. Last week we posted some screen shots from a server running (to be released soon) 3.0 M2:
http://www.zimbra.com/blog/archives/2005/10/calend ar_candy.html -
zimbra group calendaring
Check out the new group calendaring screen shots that went on our blog yesterday:
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Re:List of AJAX Webmail clients?
Not what I would call "comprehensive" but it's a start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_usin g_Ajax#Mail
This one is kinda cool http://www.zimbra.com/ -
ZimbraThere's also the Zimbra product, which is open source. It's on my list to eval - the Flash demo (see the webpage) looks pretty slick.
Ajax is the first genuinely new thing I can think of this century.
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Re:The article is inaccurate anyways.
you could always check your email using Thunderbird and the appropriate webmail plugin too, imo preferable to having OE installed
http://webmail.mozdev.org/installation.html
http://www.zimbra.com/ is very cool as crossplatform AJAX email apps go, and it's opensource -
Open Source is news, MSN is an Advertisement
The Open Source Zimbra AJAX email server/client is news. When MSN develops a commercial application, that's just an advertisement. Well, I guess you can use it as a confirmation that it's the direction email is going, since commercial vendors are deploying the technologies.
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MS is afraid of apps like Zimbra
Currently, MS's development process for hosted apps (MSN, Hotmail, MSN Search, etc.) is moving faster than for PC-based apps and OSes (Windows, Office, etc.).
It's no secret that MS's product management are using the hosted apps as experiments to see in which direction to take their other applicatons. Go take a tour of the Zimbra email client and see if you don't think it's striking fear into the hearts of MS's Exchange/Outlook product managers. Zimbra's not just different--it's obviously superior. MS needs to use Hotmail as the crucible for testing new features that they hope to shoehorn into Exchange/OWA in the future. If they don't, somebody like Zimbra's going to come and take their market share away.
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AJAX taking over the planet?
It seems that AJAX, while being a rather old idea, has taken over all new webapps these days. From Gmail to the Hula Project to the fantastic looking Zimbra Collaboration Suite, this reduced reliance on the old client => server model is a great step. I found more info on Kahuna beta from someone who wrote about it back in August.
Now that I'm playing with Ruby on Rails I'll be very interested in the next 'killer app'; a Ruby on Rails/AJAX based webapp client. ...drool... -
Re:Dependency hell squared
We are working on getting bugzilla opened up. In the meantime, http://www.zimbra.com/forums/ is the place to report/discuss problems like this. You might also want to search and see if your problem has already been reported by others and if there is a known fix/workaround. IMO install issues should always be discussed/checked on the forums before being promoted to bugs.
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E-mail for the world
How about a HPC running Zimbra http://www.zimbra.com/
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Re:It looks impressive
Have you looked at Zimbra http://www.zimbra.com/. It seems to aim to be an Outlook/Exchange replacement, is implemented "in" AJAX, and is open source. So the (/.-ish) geek factor should be biggish.
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Our demo is back online...
We've put the demo back up now that the bulk of the slashdotting is over... http://www.zimbra.com/demo/
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We had no idea...
We actually planned to upgrade our hosted demo last night. Just after we took the demo offline the story hit. We stayed up all night trying to figure out why things were so slow; when the CPU on the web servers were 90%+ idle. Turned out to be that the firewall at our ISP was only 10Mbit so it effectively throttled our site. This has been resolved, so we'll put the demo back up soon. You can see the bandwidth usage here: http://downloads.zimbra.com/slashdot_firewall_cap
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Re:Loadbalancing & Clustered Mysql?We don't need tomcat load balancing or mysql replication or clustering. We designed the system to scale without requiring any of these.
The Zimbra architecture for scaling mailboxes across hardware boxes is a lot closer to the cyrus-imap way of scaling - don't let the presence of tomcat/mysql mislead you into thinking otherwise!
You can have M postfix boxes route mail to N mailbox server boxes. Each of those N mailbox servers is/runs the { tomcat, mysql, filesystem } triple. Instead of one huge database with all your users' metadata, you partition your users across these each of these mailbox servers' database instances. Postfix can route mail via LMTP to one of those N mailbox servers where the mailbox actually lives (we use transport_maps). The Zimbra web UI served up from each of these mailbox servers can redirect the user to the mailbox server on which their mailbox actually lives - eg, think of mail.yahoo.com which redirects you to us.f300.mail.yahoo.com. In the future, don't rule out us making this even more transparent. Someone we know, in a multi-node install test, configured perdition (the IMAP proxy) to consult user info from LDAP and proxy IMAP connection over to the user's actual mailbox server.
See also this thread on our forums.
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Re:"The leader in open source collaboration"?http://www.zimbra.com/flash_demo/zimbra_player_no
_ flash.gifa 303KB 900x675 GIF (with no alt tag) to tell me I need to download the Flash plugin.
That'll impress the folks on dial-up.
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Re:Want something different from exchange
Replace http://hula-project.org/ with http://zimbra.com/ in your post and the statement becomes false how?
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Re:Requires it's own server for everything
Beyond using its own MTA (postfix), the problem for larger sites is that each box is expected to stand alone. There is no way to have webservers, mailservers and database on seperate boxes.
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Re:Dependency hell squared
I tried building this for Slackware 10.1 over the weekend and only had to install ant and jdk.
It comes with everything included: mysql, spamassassin, tomcat and postfix.
One issue were the required port mappings:
smtp: 25 mapped to 7075
http: 80 mapped to 7070
pop3: 110 mapped to 7110
imap: 143 mapped to 7143
ldap: 389 mapped to 7389
https: 443 mapped to 7443
imaps: 993 mapped to 7993
pop3s: 995 mapped to 7995
The install/run scripts were very tailored for RH/Fedora.
This page has a good walkthrough of a developer install.
make dev-install got me going on the right path.
It was unfortunate that I ran out of weekend before getting it to work as I really liked the look of the calendaring integration and overall interface. -
Torrent
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Re:Crap
Like this?
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Zimbra
I wonder if the open source http://zimbra.com/ isn't what we'll all be wanting to use next. Check out the live demos on their site, I was very impressed with their ajax magic.
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For examples...
Check out the new cal for Hula http://hula-project.org/Hula_Server - amazing work.
And the front end to the webmail for Zimbra http://www.zimbra.com/
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Novell is all-in-one
Their directory far surpasses AD. You can also look into Netscape Directory.
For groupware, check out Zimbra (http://www.zimbra.com/). The Flash demo is great. -
Zimbra's offering is very similar to Yahoo's
This new company called Zimbra launched a few days ago a web-based email application that looks very similar to Yahoo's new mail service.
I guess it sucks to be them (Zimbra) now. They thought they created a very innovative email app.
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Re:Zimbra
If you've been to our website and you believe you're a fit, you know where to send your resume.
:)
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Zimbra
http://zimbra.com/ look at Zimbra
Try the hosted demo. These guys, and their work, are /is awesome.
disclaimer: I do not work for them, but it would be cool if I did. -
Has anyone tried Zimbra software?
http://www.zimbra.com/ The flash demos look nice anyway.