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BSD Quickies
A few bits and pieces on the BSD front in the recent past.
Scott Bartram announced that
JDK 1.1.8 is now
available for NetBSD-current/i386. Over at LinuxWorld, Jonathan
Bresler sent in this e-mail
about BSD related activities. Sun
are releasing
source code for NFS under the SISSL (and boosting funding for a Linux
only effort to implement v4, sigh). Anti Basic wants you to know that
you can now pre-order
FreeBSD 4.0 from the FreeBSD Mall. And
finally, this month's edition of DaemonNews hit the stands a few days
ago, including a particularly interesting article by Greg Lehey, outlining
his work on software
RAID, Vinum.
JDK kicks ass, and also the LinuxWorld expo was by far one of the best expo's i've ever went to. Raul
Seen in a computer store a while ago: "Free BSD $39.95"
Sheepdot: Open Source good, Closed Source baaaaaaad!
Have not heard about any FreeBSD IPO's. Is any company making $$ off it?
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This isn't meant to be flamebait, or a troll. I really can't work this out, and I'd like to here what people have to say.
Link off deamonnews site ( here if you don't believe me)
Now, I wasn't there, so I may be wrong about this, but, I heard about the way some guy got up during the question time after Linus' keynote and asked him something about how he felt having all these companies moving to Linux, when BSD is a technicically superior operating system.
Linus handled it quite well, saying there is a place for both operating systems, etc, etc..
(From linuxworld.com:
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How do you get "dispargaged", or "feeling the heat" from that?
Now I use Linux, WinNT, and I've used NetBSD on a sun3, so don't call me an anti BSD bigot or something, but what the hell?
What's with the big chip on (it seems) most BSDers shoulders? Most Linux people know about BSD, but choose not to use it - perhaps from laziness, or whatever. Why do you get so annoyed about it? BSD has its places, and perhaps one day it will replace Linux, or Linux will replace it. Who cares?
And a comment like that, at Linuxworld.. well, if it had been on Slashdot, it would have been moderated out of existance as a Uber-Troll.
It's all free software, right? Please - enough of the stupid anti-Linux comments. Aim them at MS, or Solaris if you want more of a challenge/
Sun's *not* releasing NFS source. They're releasing RPC source. Can't you people read?
Dig these sassy chicks: http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/lw2000/
I felt complelled to declare to the world that whatever I was writing over night produced garbage, and I am going home.. 5 fucking am.
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http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/16483283
GO THERE, $2000
If you are refering to the Walnut Creek CD's (which you probably are), then I believe that yes, some of the proceeds are donated to FreeBSD, bit they do make a profit out of it.
OTOH, I could sell you FreeBSD for $199.95, and not donate anything to the project, and I'd be nothing wrong. Is this a shock to you or something? You can do the same with Linux, you know - although with Linux you have to make the source code available, but with BSD you don't.
Two complaints:
1. No offense, but they weren't all that attractive.
2. *BSD people, what's up with the sexism? Aren't we past that? As one of the token fems who showed up at Linux World, next time I want a daemon dude to pose with! Besides, given *BSD's roots in McKusick's closet, I expect that daemon dudes would appeal to your large gay clientele....
...remind me of Evel Knievel.
There's not a single anti-Linux comment in "Linus dispargaged BSD in his keynote...guess he must be feeling the heat at little."
While you may or may not have valid points (which I'm not commenting on), at least stick to the subject matter. You've now created YALVBFW (Yet Another Linux Versus BSD Flame War) without realizing it.
Now for my comment... FreeBSD isn't just a few people writing good software, it's a hell of a lot of people writing DAMNED good software. There is as much of a community (And I'm not talking numbers) behind the BSDs as there is behind Linux. Sites like Daemonnews, and events like FreeBSDCon didn't make themselves.
If Linus regarded FreeBSD as [only] "just a few poeple" then yeah, I'd say whoever said that about Linus is probably right. The "heat" they referred to was probably people like the guy who asked the question.
What's so hard to figure out? Don't be so bloody defensive.
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"What's up with the Sexism?" followed by gay-bashing. Ooh, that makes alot of sense.
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Stop crying. Linus isn't feeling "the heat" by *bsd. Thats just stupid. Linus/Alan has said a number of positive comments about Freebsd over the years. They do not believe freebsd to be a superior technology, so how else do you expect them to respond?? It is commonly accepted that *bsd is more "mature" in some areas, this comes from having a code base that has been around for so long.
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People can run whatever operating systems they need or want to run.
I think the chips on the shoulder you see are either directed at the companies raking in the IPO dough or the "open source/closed mind" zealots.
A quick poll amoung the folks at a recent Unix users group meeting showed that the majority of them ran Sun or some other traditional vendors software on their machines at work.
As far as their at home choice or alternative, it depend on their needs. Some liked Linux for its large number of applications. Others prefered FreeBSD for easy of configuration or OpenBSD for it's security. The general feeling was that Unix is just Unix.
The major concern amoung the Linux users was the quality of the distribution. With ease of install improving, security seem to be a primary concern. It would be nice if the main distro vendors took some clues from OpenBSD. There were also some concerns with the quality of Redhat's latest offerings. One person called it the "IPO" illness, where the quality of a companies product suffers after the IPO.
Does anyone know approximately how much of the "new" code in FreeBSD 4.0 will simply be code taken from Linux?
It seems that the 1.1.8 RC1 JDK news item (BTW, from January 5th ;-)) is not announced here - this page has not been updated for five months. From netbsd.org I can 'only' find FTP links. Is there another 'official' NetBSD JDK page?
I wasn't suggesting that the "heat" was from BSD itself (that may or may not be the case, but it's not part of this discussion), I was directly referring to the comment made about Linus at LWE, that he was feeling heat in the form of questions such as the one that was asked, and in his response, he disparaged BSD by implying it was [only] "a few people".
You, like the person who started this thread, need to stay on topic. He was trying to work it out, but by the end of his post it turned into something it shouldn't (but always does.)
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thats bullshit. we all know BSD sucks. unfriendly piece of crap software.
For an idea of what a liar Clayton is, his real email addres is nik@freebsd.org. He hides behind his /. address hoping that he will fool people. Can you imagine a legitimate news organization allowing advocates to masquerade as journalists? What would the outcry be if the New York Times started printing Microsoft press releases as "news"? Think about it.
for those of you who couldn't make it to linuxworld, there are some pictures of ceren and the other bsd girls here, as well as one of the bsd poster.
-DAVEO
Not really much news in those quickies. Especially the note about the 4.0 code freeze; Slashdot already did a discussion on that. Where's the real news? :(
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I don't consider him a liar, but I do think his affiliation should be made clearer to help the reader make his own judgment about his motivations and credibility -- as a casual Slashdot reader for years, I never realized that "Nik" was Nik Clayton. Actually, my first thought about this story was how all the FreeBSD news was gathered into one "quickie" story. Obviously, it would be in VA Linux's best interests to see FreeBSD get as little publicity as possible around here.
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Few is relative. In a relative universe few can mean anywhere from 3 to anything short of infinity.
:)
Linus used it to suggest that compared to Linux *bsd only had a few people working on it.
Which is fine, compared to the number of years *bsd has been in development compared to linux, I think it is comparable.
I am sorry that *bsd users feel as though it should be *bsd in the lime light.
Apparently they are in the minority view point. But thats just because we are stupid and you are smart right?
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Software raid is also described in the book. In fact, the above linked article looks based on the book. Or maybe it's the other way around.
Anyway, the I saw the "Power Pak" at a major book chain, and I had to have it immediately, so I didn't order it from Walnut Creek, sorry. It was $99 I think, a little pricey, but comes with 6 CD Toolkit besides the base 4 CDs of BSD.
I thought it well worth it.
>What's with the big chip on (it seems) most BSDers shoulders?
and
>Why do you get so annoyed about it?
Perhaps you should ask the people who came up to the BSD booth and said:
"This is Linuxworld. What are *YOU* doing at *OUR* show?"
Seems they were annoyed. Perhaps you can ask them why they felt slighted?
Or the ones who said:
"Why should I believe you, the great deciever?" (a reference to the use of the Daemon as the symbol.)
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
Please say stupid things all the time. Doesn't matter if they use macos, windows, linux or even BSD.. Stupid is stupid. :)
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Its amazing. This comment has been up all day and has yet to be moderated down, yet the parent, parent post is marked as a troll.
what about CITI's NFSv4 implementation?
Welcome to the world of Slashdot....now owned by VA Linux.
This is a site read by many Linux users, and pro-linux comments are marked up, anti-linux stuff is marked down.
If you knock Microsoft, you get moderated up also.
Does anyone have a MP3 of the Keynote they can put up on the web?
That way, we can all listen to the speech and decide what Linus did (or did not) say?
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
Linux happens to have a hell of a lot larger 'active' community than BSD currently enjoys, thus, we have far far more programs and development projects. BSD benefits because most of this code can run on BSD with a simple recompile. My problem with the BSD camp is they seem to have their heads in the sand. The level of arrogance I have experienced is really a turn off. Finally, with BSD's license, there is no way in hell I will contribute a single byte of code and let some greedy corporation make money off my efforts. At least with the limitations in GPL I don't have to worry about this as much.
So as far as I'm concerned, the Arrogant BSD people can just coordinate and create their own BSD shows and stay the hell out of Linux shows. We really dont need a bunch of sour grapes spouting their alleged superiority over Linux at a Linux show. Get your own show and leave ours the hell alone! Finally, if BSD was to disapper from the face of the earth tomorrow, Linux will still be there, Linux developers and project leaders will still be churning out code, and the Linux community will continue to grow in numbers. Get over it.
I'm positive I will get a lot of flames from very very angry and arrogant BSD people. But read my lips: Get your own damn shows and leave ours the hell alone, and stop marketing your BSD warez at the expense of Linux. You dont see the Linux community bad mouthing BSD, and we expect the same respect. This has nothing to to with good technology and everything to do with a small number of arrogant shitheads that give their entire community a bad name.
The next time I hear a Linuxite complaining that "there is no real BSD news left" or "this is just advocacy posing as news" whill have the entire printed sourced of kernel 2.3.41 down their throat. I saw a "news" story about kernel 2.3.41 the other day. No earth shattering additions, no hints at a code freeze, nothing. If the BSD 4.0 code freeze is nothing, then should anyone even consider the release of a devel kernel? Or the Linux code freeze? My question is this: Would the same people who don't consider the BSD 4 code freeze news also ignore a Linux 2.4 code freeze? Or an X4.0 code freeze? Or KDE 2.0... I didn't think so.
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>You dont see the Linux community bad mouthing BSD
I don't?
>Linux at a Linux show. Get your own show and leave ours the hell alone!
Ok, so can I say that you consider yourself part of the "linux community"?
Good.
So, if the "Linux Community" is not bad mouthing BSD, then what exactly are you saying when you post:
>Arrogant BSD people
>BSD camp is they seem to have their heads in the sand.
or my favorite:
>small number of arrogant shitheads that give their entire community a bad name.
Yup. Looks like a small, select number of Linux users gives the Linux community a bad name.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
To only things that can run Linux binaries!
No, wait. BSD does that.
I have a better idea, if they can't pay for a booth, they can't be at the show.
No, wait. They allready do that too.
Oh, Oh! If you want a show to only have what YOU want in it, then I guess the only way to do that will be for you to organize it, and decide who can and can't be there.
What's that? You don't have the money to set that up?
What else could be expected from people who get free $25 passes into the show, and go from booth to booth looking for free tee-shirts, whistle rings, and Free CD's with FreeBSD on them. (disk one)
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
Hey! You forgot how when Be released 4.5, there was a slashdot post. Or that BeOS was to be pre-loaded. Guess that is not news for nerds, stuff that matters either.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
"But thats just because we are stupid and you are smart right?"
Nothing of the sort was either said or implied, and I resent your attempt to put such words in my mouth.
My feelings here aren't the issue, I was only attempting to help the orginal poster "work it out". What you say regarding the relative definition of "few" is dead on, but it may have been taken the wrong way by the person who made the quote, which is what I've been trying to explain to whole time. *I* realize it's relative, he may not, resulting in his quote.
Stop making this about Linux vs BSD.
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Informative? COME ON!
.uk POP Account. His having a complimentary @slashdot.org address (as a Slashdot staff member) shouldn't be at all surprising.
It's no secret that Nik is a FreeBSD committer and Documentation dude, and as such (like all committers) are given an address @freebsd.org. For all you know it's just a virtusertable alias that forwards to some
There's no secret conspiracy here, just someone trying to stir up trouble. Your irresponsible moderation will only make it successful. The worst kind of FUD is when those who spread it don't realize it.
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Below is the story to which you're referring. I certainly don't take his mentioning that he was presenting at the conference to be an indication to the reader that he has a FreeBSD affiliation, especially since entities which aren't affiliated with FreeBSD were also presenting -- Nik mentions speakers from the Apache and Samba projects, as well as from Apple. If I'm missing some hint from his story, please show me.
In fact that was not the story to which I was referring. I was referring to the official
/.), born and lives in the
/.), or coordinating
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Nik:The BSD Guy
Nik Clayton, 25 (which probably makes me an old fart on
UK. He's been contributing to FreeBSD since 1994, but has used NetBSD and
OpenBSD in his time (and used to dabble with a little bit of Linux as well). In the
day job he's the director of an IT consultancy, which isn't nearly as high-powered as
it sounds.
When not writing irregular articles for Daemonnews, (and now
the efforts of the FreeBSD Documentation Project, Nik plays badminton (badly)
and does the occasional bit of crewing for local theatre groups (yeah, I know, right
out of TNHD "Portrait of a hacker" section).
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Though I (incorrectly) remembered it as the launch and the announcment being made on the same day, it is there nonetheless.
I hope your questioning doesn't mean you approve of the AC's post implying subterfuge. Surely you can at least acknowledge that it was an attempt at stirring up controversy where there is none.
PS. Hmm...does Extrans seem broken to anyone else?
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There 4.0 reference was regarding the pre-ordering of 4.0-RELEASE.
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Hey, 4.5 is news. I never said that either BSD 4 or Linux 2.3.41 was NOT news. I just said that if you think BSD 4 is not news, then kernel 2.3.41 doesn't classify as news either. If you don't think BeOS 4.5 is news, fine. But if you think kernel 2.3.41 IS news while BeOS 4.5 and BSD 4.9 is NOT, then you're a hypocrite.
PS. I consider them all news, but kernel 2.3.41 much less so. But it does serve the purpose of keeping people up to date with whats happening with Linux, so I guess its okay.
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