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Gnutella 0.5c Still Going? UPDATED - NO
Tridus writes, "While popping around fileforum looking for new software, I happened to notice a link to Gnutella. I guess Justin and the other guys at Nullsoft aren't quite licked yet.
" Update: 03/21 01:40 by E : I've been told by the folks from Winamp that this is the same code as before - sorry all - the letters simply referred a testing legacy.
Uhhh, if memory serves me correctly,proto-humans were probably hung more so like gorilla's than Jon Holmes. . .Sorry stubby. ;-)
Dude, if you don't have an account, GET ONE - you're hilarious :) :P
And to whoever doesn't like oog's posts, get a life
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I for one am sick of this program ... it was touted as being published under the gpl but there is no source code ... aol and the programmers need to be hanged ... saying that the source code is on its way is bullshit... the shit doesn't even work, anyway...
False advertising by AOL? I bet they could be forced to release the code?
OOG MAY NOT TALK ALL FANCY, BUT OOG QUESTION SERIOUS!!! NO MAKE FUN OF OOG!!! OOG GET CLUB AND BREAK HEAD!!!
Tough titties, homeslice.
Now that Saylor's making a free over-the-net education available, high-bandwidth dorms will be the universities' primary selling point. Although for $28,000/year, I should be able to get at least a multi-MBPS connection to UUNET. Hey, there's a thought - UUNivErsiTy.edu
Or maybe just uunet.edu!
I like the new name better!
Slashdot posts another erroneous, poorly-fact-checked story...
Where and why is this? The case is such that no one is quite sure. I personally believe that most napster's are forgetting this. Why? I should think that slashdot effect is similar.
Download gnutella today. It will be gone tomorrow.
BUT OOG STILL CONCERNED ABOUT EFFECT ON MAINSTREAM!!! NO DOUBT SILLY AOL KIDDIE TRY GET WAREZ THROUGH GNUTELLA AND BE IN DEEP SHIT!!! ALSO WONDER IF EXPLOITS BE DEVELOPED LIKE BO AND NETBUS!!! OOG UNDERSTAND BUT STILL CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL HARM IF GNUTELLA BE MAINSTREAM!
It's gnutella, not Gnuzilla, fuckstick.
You see my friend, from what i've read at least, they named it GNUtella (my capitalization) and went around claiming at least it was GNU free (freedom , not so much like free beer, although it is as well) software but not actually releasing the source code. The point, they say at least, was that they were keeping it closed until version 1. So, as was likely intented, they created a lot of hype by saying it's GNU software (blah blah blah) which played a large role in making it popular but it is (for now at least) actually closed, which is what screwed things for now... :) ah well... it's still usable by using another server.. just disapointed development is dead for now...
University of Michigan (Michigan Software Cooperative) students are working on an opensource distributed file sharing program. They have just release the first public beta last week, version 0.1.1 is expected today. You can distribute any type of file and searching is supported. Spread the word: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~dhelder/misc/jm/
I can see why they wouldn't want this out there. AFAIK, Gnutella does not fuck up your system, nor does it adversely affect the speed of you modem. Totally contrary to AOL's philosophy!! the few times I've used AOL on friend's computers, I never got more than 28K on a 56K modem, though the dial up supposedly supports 56k... DeCSS - LiViD.tar.gz - http://www.phuque.cjb.net
as always you can find the latest beta client at http://shell.cdc.net/~b/gnutella.html
OOG ANNOYED BY POSTERS JEALOUS OF OOG FOR HIS INTELLIGENCE AND ABNORMALY LARGE CAVEMAN PENIS!!! OOG SUGGESTS YOU GO TO PSYCHOLOGIST AND GET ANGER MANAGEMENT THERAPY!!! OOG BREAK HEAD IF NECESSARY BUT DONT WANT BE FORCED TO BE IMMERSED IN VIOLENT CONFRONTATION!!!
someone post some servant locations! i cant get any to work.
OOG HEAR THAT ANY FILE TYPE SUPPORTED... THIS INCLUDE .EXE AND .ZIP AND LIKE??? IF SO, OOG FEAR GNUTELLA OPEN BACKDOOR IN USER COMPUTER AND LEAVE USER VULNERABLE TO VIRUS AND TROJAN!!! OOG NO LIKE BE HACKED BY SCRIPT CAVEKIDDIE!!! OOG WONDER HOW NULLSOFT HANDLE ISSUE OF CRACKING AND BACKDOORS CREATED BY CLIENT TO CLIENT PROTOCOL!!! OOG WANT KNOW WHAT GO ON OR OOG BREAK HEAD!!!
One way to search with Gnutella: "ice cube*.mp3" returns mp3 files that contain the words ice and cube if i search for "ice morning cube*.mp3" it will still return "ice cube-2 in the morning.mp3" so it is fairly flexible. and no, i did not download it because that would be wrong *cough* *cough*
>there is no Cabal
:)
You're just saying that because we didn't let you join
However, the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (VRWC) still has openings for people of all political persuasions (how do you think it got so vast?). BYOBH (Bring your own black helicopter).
Searches are substring matched against the file name and the path, although only the filename is displayed.
No wildcards are supported, unfortunately...
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One theme I keep hearing in the forums here, is that some people are still having problems getting the original client up and running. Easy fix. If you copy the installer to someone, give them a copy of your gnutella.net file as well. It has every other "node" that you've discovered.
The other trick that we did in the office here, is we have one machine that's almost never used, running a copy of the client, set to connect (see the gnutellaNet config page on the app), to 100+ other clients. So it seems to be doing a good job of always looking around for new machines out there. When we install a new copy of the client on someones machine, we just have them connect to that machine as their first peer. Wham, all the clients copy across.
"Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs." P.J. O'Rourke
It's already happened on the message boards at www.grits.com. And honestly, I'm surprised there aren't webpages at www.hotgrits.com or www.hotgrits.org, etc...
As one of the geniuses behind reverse engineering the protocol, I'd like to commend the Nullsoft folks. A Delphi drop-in component is in the works so every app can get on the gnutellnet. Ther are clone clients in the works for Linux CLI, perl, tcl, Java, C++ classes, and more I'm sure I'm forgetting. The script kiddies start to flood the network around 5 pm (+500) but network traffic shaping of the next version should help that. Interested parties should contact me For complete details, or view a complete protocol reference here.
Bry
For all the supposed tech experience slashdoters are supposed to have it never ceases to amaze me the mass of drones who simply just dont get it. From Jon Katz and his band of Blandeteers I expect it, but from others it still astounds the sense.
Napster is tied to a central server. BAD
Gnutella is not. GOOD
Napster you are stuck using thier network structures. BAD
Gnutella you can create you own nets of sharing. GOOD
If you want to stay the slaves of prechewed and preapproved data flows then , as mick foley says, Have a Nice Day. If your into something a little more, get your heads out of the monolithic worldview.
Your milage may vary
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
The clients connect to each other instead of to a central server. It's less brittle that way.
I got it. Is a binary installer.
From the page it claims that it will be released GPL.
Is it yet? Or, because AOL owns the source (because it was made on their time) then AOL should have the right too keep the source closed if it is not GPLed yet.
Is it GPL? And is AOL able to keep the source closed? (After all they DO have the rights to it so they should be able to close it....)
But I have a binary now... Do I have the right to demand the source or not?
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
A post above mine revealed the answer. :)
The answers can be found here.
The faq sayeth all.
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
If colleges run into problems its time to say "You are suspended for the rest of the semester if we catch you using this software", rather than subsidizing peoples pirated music collections.
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How does Gnutella comare to the Freenet project? Anbody know more about this?
This is NOT an empty signature.
look at gnutella.nerdherd.net
The /. peice said there was source available? Is it [insert open source lisence here]??? Thats my favorite part of open source? Why did they drop the project? Maybe pressure from another company, whatever. An open source project only stops when there is no one left willing to work on it. If the developers and maintainers quit and you really want to see this happen download the latest snapshot of the source, throw it into cvs somewhere, grab some friends and CODE!.
For a long list of possible gnutella servers to get you started, look at http://slapme.adotnet.net/~michael/. There is even a short list of hosts that should work for those of us unfortunate to live behind a firewall.
Good Luck... gnutella'ing is lotsa fun!
Murphy's law - "Anything that can go wrong, will." (Actually, this is Finagle's law, which in itself shows that Finagle
I'm saddened to see slashdot trolls branching out into the rest of the web, but I suppose it had to happen, since plenty of the slashdot trolls were probably originally usenet ones.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
This thing should work a bit more like a dynamic
n t.html">Rich Salz presentation on Usenet</a> from long ago. <i>(This is dated Aug 92 on my server)</i>
usenet news system.
To learn how Usenet used to work take a read of <a href="http://www.abnormal.com/~thogard/usenet/use
If its open-source like the web page says, why aren't I compiling it right now to get the thing running on linux? Can someone point me to the source code I seem to have missed it.
I'm guessing I am not missing anything and the source code is not up, but....
It is.
Great games
Really, though.
If this kind of stuff continues to be developed, universities will be forced to do something. I have worked rather closely with some of the "bigwigs" at my university, and I've been told that Napster takes up 20%(!) of all network usage.
Now that's only mp3's. If you get even 1/3 of the people here on campus using Gnuzilla, that's around 3,000-5,000 people using it, and maybe another 1/3 using it at any given time. That's a lot of bandwidth that is being sucked from faculty and research.
This doesn't apply only to academia. If the president of your place of employment notices that his email is going awfully slow, he's gonna wanna know why his $15,000/month internet connection is slower than his home modem (if he uses one).
So the continued abuse of programs such as Napster and Gnutilla may end up in a tightening of overall internet freedom, because decision makers just can't afford to pay Sprint the huge "phone" bill every month so a bunch of students/employees can get tunes/videos/whatever.
And I can tell you right now, I don't want no stinking firewall.
It was supposed to be opensource in that the source was to be released with version 1.0
Think about conventional searches:
it makes it easy and quick to do searches with a centralized index. then yes, you have to address redundancy, but hey, just throw up multiple servers, what's the big deal?
i'm sure on the scale of nastyness, Gnutella isn't quite so evil compared to trolling
Hey now, that's not fair! If you're talking about the cut'n'paste spammers or the "Taco ate my balls" idiots then true, but if you're going by the Jargon File definition then there really aren't that many of us here. It does actually take half a brain to come up with something which shows up /.ers as reactionary zealots, unlike posting the same sentance repeated a hundred times over. I think you'll find most /. trolls have user accounts and karma levels well over the _+1 bonus point (I know I do).
I beleive it searches the full path and filename of all files, but only shows the filename.
., but gnu*.exe still works.
It also seems to ignore the
ALso, I find you can use ; as an and
where "Yes;no" would find everything that has yes and no in it in any order.
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Does anyone know of any similar projects that are available with the source? Gnutella, despite Nullsoft's claims that it will be opensource, is CLOSED SOURCE. If it'd been opensource to begin with, there wouldn't be the problem of AOL shutting them causing all development to halt.
47% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Damn moderator. Ruined a perfectly good joke.
Usenet isn't centralized, but we all know it's regulated by the Cabal (there is no Cabal).
*borkborkbork*
If it hadn't been publicized on /. in the first place, it might not have been taken down so fast.
/., there is a huge community working on reverse engineering it and creating cross platform implementations...
On the other hand, now that it has been publicized on
You do the math.
*borkborkbork*
Frankly I'm surprised that this is still in development. I guess we'll find out just how tight a hold AOL has on them.. More interesting will be what exactly AOL will do if they don't cooperate.
Alright, so if napster goes under anytime soon in the near future, thanks to slashdot, i have my own "post-napster's shit has hit the fan" (tm) backup. Sure it doesn't have flooding control...yet. And I could sure use some way to search what bitrate those MP3s are, but hey, it's free, and i'm impressed the aol exec.'s let it slide as long as it did. Hopefully some carmack-type-gods will take it upon themselves to write in some basic fixes, and hey, maybe next they'll skin it! Just like winamp! haha. no. sombody email me if they figure out how to hack somthing like that : )
~Hadlock
moox. for a new generation.
Usenet is centralized? I'm not being sarcastic -- this contradicts what I thought I knew... Oh, well, un-learn a new thing every day, that's me.
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%E5%8D%8D&bt
I feel that gnutella is better than napster in many ways. 1: Better topography 2: Better and Faster searches 3: Better content If i am going to get mp3s i will still use napster(for some), but if i want to lok for anything else i will use gnutella. Soon i belive that gnutella will become better than napster and then i will start looking for mp3s and that instead. Until then i hope that it is a great success.
I was in #gnutella when justin(the developer) was in there and someone asked if the newer releases were real and he said yes. If you wanted to change it there is something called a hexeditor... You just look for the string and then change it and save. Magic
Can Gnutella connect to a Napster server? Or does it have servers of it's own. I know very little about the other side of this stuff.
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Where can I get a program like gnutella and napster that allows transfer of many different file types?
If some really wants to they will create a clone of this clone. Remember it is not about the software but the value it brings to us if some though this valuable then they would have created an OSS package.
http://theotherside.com/dvd/
I know that it has become a cliche now, but the phrase about the Internet rerouting around problems, including censorship applies to Gnutella as well. And as you stated, it's virtually impossible for college admins to block it.
I think it's time for the colleges to invest in some OC-48's :)
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They'll just have to cap the bandwidth of each user. Then people will miss the freedom they were allowed before :)
I think it's great that this avoided complete annihilation(sp?) but the fact that it's getting the publicity on slashdot probably points the cannon right at it again.
just pointless thought.
he actually brings up a pretty good point...in some cases, grabbing software off of slashdot is almost as easy as grabbing it off of IRC; i've been known to do it once or twice (on IRC), but i don't think it's the main reason people stop by /. each day. slashdot so far has been pretty good about being open-minded about just about everything, including trolls... i'm sure on the scale of nastyness, Gnutella isn't quite so evil compared to trolling. either way, if enough people end up whining about it, the slashdot gods (cmdertaco, ect) will have some sort of workable fix in store for us. In the end, at least looking for shady software wasn't the reason people started coming by here in the first place. I guess you could consider Gnutella a side frill to being one of the slashdot (semi) elite : )
~Hadlock
moox. for a new generation.
The first thought that I had when I heard that it was going to be a peer-to-peer network was that there was going to be a *lot* of polling going on transferring information about what was available, and checking what was still up.
:-)
Scalability, needless to say, was something that I was curious how they planned to address...
Cheers,
Ben
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According to the FAQ they plan to introduce some kind of central server (if I interpret well) that would allow you to find some random 'friends' (avoiding the 'problem' that Gnutella has with finding a first connection to the network).
Actually, I much prefer the grass-roots Gnutella. Tenebril, the company producing FileFury, has released the source code to much of the program - but not the critical peer-to-peer network library. They claim to have Open-Sourced the app, while actually it looks more like they've released some code to advertise their networking library. Still very nice of them if you're into MFC, mind you, but calling it Open Source won't go down well on this forum, will it?
Great games
my roommate talked has been talking to 'Tag' from nullsoft recently. the current attitude is that this piece of software is really going to shake things up. not that I've looked into it that much, after all the site is down. but here's what I've heard second hand.
o c;it;xm;s3m;stm;wma;mov;asf;zip;rar.
practically un-stoppable. ITG and edu's can't just block ports to stop this baby.
not just mp3's but basically anything. I just downloaded the alpha and noticed the following default extensions.mp3;mp2;mp1;mpg;vqf;avi;mpeg;wav;mod;v
wow..
so it's basically like napster except it will have some type of web of servers connected so it won't have the centralized problem that napster does. someone clear this point up for me.
what will also be interesting to see if this really fly's., I mean this really isn't anything new. back in the days I used to download a bunch of funny stuff off BBS's. now you can get lucky with USEnet, IRC and hotline. but the really success comes from the number of people using it. none of the mentioned have really worked due to popularity. the main reason napster does so well is that there are so many people, so more people get on, like eBay, or shoutcast. it feeds on itself.
-Jon
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Napster is client-server. Everyone connects to the main server, drops off their list of files, and the searching is done through the server.
Gnutella is peer-to-peer. All packets are routed around the gnutellaNet. Each client is also a server. Together, it's a "servant". The whole thing works very much like the Internet itself. Each search request has a TTL. Each servant routes the search request to every servant he's connected to, subtracting 1 from the TTL. When TTL reaches 0, the search request is no longer forwarded.
Now, the best part(s). It isn't centralized. You only need to know of one working servant IP to connect to the network. When you connect, the servant sends you a list of all the servants it knows of, so you are immediately supplied with a list of working servant IPs. If you connect at least once a week, you're set.
Also, Gnutella isn't MP3-only. Any file type is supported.
Now, the bad parts.
- Regex (regular expression) searches are not supported. I've yet to figure out exactly how the searching works, but it doesn't match any pattern i can think of. I think it searches inside of files as well?
- It doesn't seem scale well at all.
- There is a crowd of kiddies using a pre-written Perl script to flood the network.
Hopefully, all of these problems (and all the interface glitches I didn't mention since this is still a beta) will be fixed in 1.0. Oh yeah... hopefully, there will be a 1.0.--
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However, it's recommended that you do all your stuff before 3 PM, because that's when the kiddies come home from school, and the flooding begins. Gnutella currently has absolutely no provision for flood protection, and effects are severe. I guess I've just encouraged them more... heh.
Another good source for stuff is #gnutella on EFNet. There is also #gnutelladev on EFNet. Please don't go to the second channel unless you have some question about the interal workings. All other questions should be directed to #gnutella. Also, #gnutella is a good place to find the available hosts. Here's one, digdug.dyndns.org. Let's see what happens to my dialup. :)
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