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BeOS 5.0 Available for Free - But Not Yet
A huge number of people have submitted over the last few days/weeks that BeOS5.0 will be free. You can grab it from free.be.com - although I hope you've got a fast connection.Update: 03/28 01:22 by H :It doesn't appear to be ready yet - and we have an anonymous source at Be, who claims that there were some show-stopping bugs in the code, even up until last night. Could be hoax though, as it appears to be rolling now. They also announced that they are open sourcing (No license that I can see) the User Interface components Tracker and Deskbar, which have their own web sites. I've heard word that the free.be.com isn't working - check out http://www.be.com/products/freebeos/ for a more secure connection.
I found these rather fun constant definitions in BarApp.h (part of the open source deskbar). They are used for the hidden menu that allows one to select the style of the windows border.
:)
const uint32 msg_Win95 = 'Bill';
const uint32 msg_Amiga = 'Ncro';
const uint32 msg_Mac = 'WcOS';
const uint32 msg_Be = 'Tabs';
I've thrown a copy of the files on one of my machines at http://house.ofdoom.com/be/
Oops! Why did I keep mentioning LOADLIN when I quite blatantly meant LILO! Uggh! Flashback to 1995!
On another note, thanks for the personal email I received concerning GAG:
"You posted on Slashdot about the problems of booting all those operating
systems. Well, I use a graphical boot manager called GAG, which I found at
Freshmeat. In its readme it says:
GAG
GRAPHICAL BOOT MANAGER
GAG is a Boot Manager program, this is, a program that is loaded when the
computer is turned on and allows to choose the operating system you want
to use. Its main features are:
-Allows to boot up to 9 different operating systems.
-Can boot operating systems instaled in primary and extended
partitions. Them can be instaled in any hard disk too.
-GAG doesn't need its own partition. It installs itself in the
first track of the hard disk, wich is reserved for this kind of
programs. It can also be instaled in a floppy disk, without using
the hard disk.
-Has a timer to boot a default operating system (selectable by
the user).
-The configuration menu can be protected with a password. Also,
each operating system can be protected with its own password.
-The program works in graphic mode (needs a VGA or better graphic
card), and has a lot of icons.
-Hides the primary partitions, allowing the installation of more
than one DOS and/or Windows in the same hard disk.
-Can exchange disk drives, allowing to boot from the second, third...
hard disk operating systems such as MS-DOS.
-Has the SafeBoot system, that allows to boot your hard disk even if
GAG is accidentally overwrited.
I think this addresses some of your issues."
Okay, I'm running out of options. I currently have:
Disk 0:
WinNT - 4GB
Win98 - 3GB
+ Various other partitions at the end of the disk
Disk 1:
/boot (Linux) - 24MB
Win2K Advanced Server - 4GB
Win2K Professional - 4GB
+ Various other partitions at the end of the disk
Yes, I have lots of MS operating systems as I have to test the products I develop under various environments. For various reasons I can't add any more disks.
So the question is in the days of 40GB hard drives, do I have to put the boot stuff for an OS within the first 1024 cylinders? Or is that a LOADLIN problem and I should be looking for something different?
Linux is the only OS I don't have a problem with. I can put the kernel image where I want (i.e. in an partition that is a few blocks in size rather than with the GB of other data).
Is it possible to boot using LOADLIN from a logical/extended partition? That seemed a limitation when I looked about a year ago. Otherwise, I can only have 6 OSes installed before I'm forced into making them share a partition (which seems foolish to me, especially when it comes to Windows).
yeah? what'd you have for lunch? dead cow? chicken flesh?
disgusting creature, you.
You can find it here.
I've found that it works nicely with Linux. Just uncompress the archive to /beos, dd the floppy, and reboot.
To boot the image.be Personal Edition partition image, place it at in a directory called 'beos' at any root point on a ext2 partition. ex, /beos/image.be, or if you have /home on a seperate partition, it could be placed at /home/beos/image.be
Then create a boot floppy from floppy.img, and reboot! (try dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync; sync )
This configuration is provided for your enjoyment, and is NOT supported by Be, Inc. Please don't ask us for help and support on making this work
-rw-rw-rw- builder/users 538 2000-03-27 22:55:36 readme
-r--r--r-- builder/users 1474560 2000-03-29 02:23:56 floppy.img
-rw-rw-rw- builder/users 524288000 2000-03-28 11:17:18 image.be
Especialy the date on floppy.img is nice. BeOS the OS of the near feature.
This article on BeNews describes how to work around the "limitations" of the FreeBe package. I haven't yet looked to see if the CD image has been posted yet, but if you install from that, you can create a full-fledged BFS partition, without size limitations. And if you boot from it, or from a boot floppy, SMP will be enabled. It's only disabled in the Win9x-based bootloader. <sarcasm>Thanks, Microsoft, for disabling that "extraneous" processor!</sarcasm>
I've read through BeNews' preview, and the only thing that really stands out among missing features (compared to the boxed version) is the MP3 codec, because of licensing issues, naturally. Other than that, everything works. It just takes more work if you won't or can't run things from Win9x.
Every day we're standing in a wind tunnel
Facing down the future coming fast - Rush
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True enough. When you get down to it, Linux is more or less a Unix lookalike.
:>
The only thing that is really 'leading edge' is that it is extremely open (beer and speech-wise), which means it actually has a chance to take over a lot of marketshare.
Even cooler, while Linux still has a ways to go, it has improved at a very rapid pace. Give it a couple years and we'll see some cool stuff - after everyone is done reimplementing stuff done by other operating systems, at least.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
- Jeff
-jwb
all they are making avalible is a trial version. it's full fetured as far as the OS goes, (AFAICT) but it doesnt have all teh extras. they are also relasing a full version, which they will charge for. (probably less than full price if you baught a prevoius version)
Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology
I should take that last remark back. Tanenbaum was regarded as arrogant and insular, but as far as I know, he never descended to accusing his rivals of academic dishonesty...
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Much of that improvement would require improving X. Like antialiasing and making color management *actually* work (X in theory supports color profiles, I've never seen it implemented). Good luck getting any of that in.
I just like BeOS because it puts the lie to Linus's uninformed and defamatory ranting about microkernels.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-03
This person calls the OS research community either intellectually dishonest or, and this just kills me, stupid or deluded. This from a guy who implemented SMP with a global kernel lock (that still exists, it's just masterfully hidden under several layers of macros)
Tanenbaum *would* be proud: Linus has become just like him.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
I've got it almost done, does anyone have a place to mirror it at? If so, I can give them a fast download, I just can't get slashdotted.
e-mail me: seth.bokelman@uni.edu
ICQ: 6497760
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When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. --Robert A. Heinlein
I found a Tucows mirror out of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (at least I think it's in Edmonton). I was getting 300-350 kbps download. And am currently running it. My network card was setup seemlessly. A click on a configure button, followed by use DHCP, and voila. My little scrolly wheel on the mouse worked right away, and it detected my Creative Voodoo Banshee perfectly (1280x1024x32 bit goodness). Everything seems to work perfectly.
I haven't downloaded the development stuff to check it out yet, but will soon. Everything looks very promising. The browser works flawlessly so far, and the text isn't too small.
BeOS is now available. Better get in quick...
Apparently, the connection from their offices to their servers has been cut.
New release time is marked for 9 AM EST (6 AM PST).
I find it funny that, althouth in their install README, and other documents they mention that BeOS 5 free edition can only install to a 500 meg container file, and that it is limited to single processor, and that you should upgrade to the pro version in order to support these things.
It appeared to support my dual processor box just fine (I did use a boot disk).
It also appears to allow you to migrate it to a different filesystem if you wish.. one that's bigger.
Now I could be wrong.. but the features not 'supported' in this version seem only to describethe installer behavior, and not the functions of the kernel itself.
Well. I just know lots of unix guru wannabes are going to scream about how "BE sux! Linux rules! Be doesn't do blah blah blah".
I must say, I was excited to get my hands on the free edition today. I've always wanted to have a good hard look at BE. I find a few things that threw me off though.
1) The installation notes indicate that SMP is not supported, but it appeard to work just fine on my SMP box (even showing both processors in Pulse).
2) The installation notes indicate it is limited to a 500 MB installation. This may be true of the installer, but is definately not true once it is installed. You could migrate it to a pure BE partition, or whatever, of whatever size you want.
Neither point #1 or point #2 seem to be actual restrictions in the software... just the way the installer works. If this is the case, it seems kind of sleazy to suggest that if you want to do either of these things, you should buy the Professional version. That's not how the crowd they need to attract works.
3) No GeForce support. Yes. I know. What do they say on the newsgroups? "Write it yourself then!". Well.. sorry guys, but if Be wants to get more mindshare by introducing this free distribution (which is cool! don't get me wrong), it would REALLY make sense if a 'multimedia' OS supported what may be the most common graphics chipset out there. And why is it that I can't even do 16 bit color by 1024x768? A reference SVGA card driver could even do this.. but for some reason the only thing available is 640x480, B&W.
I certainly won't go out and purchase another graphics card just to use BE.
You'll note that there's a .tgz with the filesystem image
and README for linux. Conveniently this image will also
act as an install cdrom, should you write it to a CDR using
your favorite cd burning tool (I'd suggest CD Burner in
BeOS 5, but that does present a bit of a chicken-and-egg
problem).
-- Brian
There are two dedicated news sites (like slashdot) dedicated to BeOS.
http://www.benews.com
http://www.beoscentral.com
They should keep a fairly up-to-date scene of what is going on w/the free-be.
Unless, like me, you have a scsi cd burner attached to an unsupported scsi card. Come on, Be, how hard is it to expand your _very_ limited range of supported scsi cards?
In the Graphics card secion:
* These are the code names used for these products while they were under development. They are not actual product names or trademarks. We use them here because many people know the nicknames but not the actual product name. If Intel's lawyers saw us using them, they would start hopping around on one foot with all the pores of their bodies frowning, and then they'd probably make us stop...
-- IANAEG - I am not an elder god.
I'm on ftp.beos.com right now, and the file is there, but I can't download it due to the permissions... Can't even GET ReadMe.txt. Has anyone gotten it yet?
I strongly believe that trying to be clever is detrimental to your health. -- Linus Torvalds
Components of an interface do not a complete GUI make. . .
Getting the Tracker to run with nothing to support it would be like trying to use FVWM w/o X.
A lot of what makes Be's GUI so easy to use is the overall layout of the OS. If you want to rebuild a whole graphics server system and all the other accouterments of a GUI that need to interface with the OS and then place the Tracker on top of that, you might have something.
And notice the license - to distribute or sell your own software based on their source you have to get express permission from Be. They're not going to let the Linux/BSD community take one of the few things that keeps some Linux/BSD users buying their OS. With this recent i-opener situation, I'm sure Be knows that the Linux community has a penchant for screwing over corporations and is therefore making sure to cover their butts over this.
We want Open Backhoes! No more shall we let other people dictate when our fiber will be cut! The community should have the option to review and modify all backhoes to suit their individual needs.
--
Donald Roeber
Donald Roeber
Generating 2048 Bits of Randomness...
As a Linux user, there are actually a lot of things I don't like about it. Of course ,it beats out Windows and MacOS. The fact that it does have a shell is great.
Developers should really take a look at BeOS as the OS for people who don't want to jump blindly into Linux, but want to get the hell away from Windows.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
So I just got 5.0 installed, and being a 4.5 user, I am not too overly impressed with the "progress." NetPositive still doesnt seem to support Java, JavaScript, etc, and it is still limiting. The best hope is for Mozilla to catch up on BeOS to M14 or beyond. The OS at best should have been a point release, there doesn't seem to be much addition in the way of feature sets, no huge difference in UI, and it seems most of the applications are the same that came with 4.5.2. I don't consider the ability to run off a fat partition that impressive. It's still smoking as always. The OS is crisp and clean, but it's like moving into a nice new house with no way to move furniture in. It's beautiful and empty!
http://209.15.80.234/bekarma/mirror.html
SMP works fine if you use a BeOS boot floppy (included)
http://www.be.com/products/freebeos/
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How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
I think you read that wrong. It says that you cannot install it within any other operating systems. It even says later on in the FAQ that you can still put it in its own partition.
Why would you want to install it within something unless you can't partition?
Windows is not required!
dl.xs4all.nl worked best for me - DL'd the whole thing in 25 min on 128k frame relay connection!
I managed to d/l freebe5 today from a german mirror, though I had to use gozilla to retry a few times. Once connected I got 60k/s. It's a 43mb file. It's compressed with winzip and barely compressed - kind of a waste. When you install it puts a few files at letter:/BeOs. One is a 512mb file called image.be. So prepare to have lots of room to unzip the installer and for the installer to run, then 500mb+ to install it. Once installed you just click it, it reboots to dos mode and loads - except it hung on me, so I had to make the boot floppy. Using that, it loaded in under one minute. Now let me tell you what amazed me right away. It came up in 640x480x8 and a welcome message telling you to set your time, video, and network. I set my network to hdcp and it came up right away, I tried netpositive and was able to browse, and boy it's FAST! With my cable modem, it was faster than linux/netscape or ie/netscape on win98 or win95, and even faster than opera/win95. I'm talking loading news.com about as fast as I can blink, under 1 second. And this wasn't even using a web proxy or increasing the # connections, which I suggest you do under preferences. The other thing you need to know is click the BEOS logo to get access to your apps and preferences (where network etc is). It doesn't tell you this in the welcome screen. Also right click and select mount and you can easily access your other hard drives. Next I tried playing mp3, avis, mpgs and was impressed, they all played even compressed avi's. But I found mpg's used 100% cpu on a celeron 300 ;( Try running the pulse application to see. Another thing I noticed - no disk activity. Everything loads lightening fast compared to win98, pretty well instant. Now I have to expand on the boot process being fast, because it installed and used all my drivers automatically, I didn't have to do a thing and it *worked* right away, unlike windows which takes forever to find and install drivers and asks you dumb questions along the way, and has to reboot 3 or 4 times. There basically was no installation for this OS! Just load and run. Everything worked, let me tell you what I have: ATI all in wonder pro, 4mb, I got this running in 1024x768x32 now. I tried the tv application but it didn't work, so I guess that's out. No video in devices were listed either. Diamond MX300 sound card based on vortex 2. I can hear sounds faintly, something weird going on here cause the mixer sliders work and have effect. Maybe it mixed up the out jacks and I have to use line out 1 (this card has 4 speakers). Yes! I just tested it and that's the problem. For the record use out 1, the far right connector. I have an adaptec 2902e scsi, a weird oem model based on aic-7850 chipset, which works fine. The scsi probe showed my teac 4x CDR. I was able to mount audio cd in my toshiba dvd. I can see my fat32 partitions in my win98 disks. My network card is a d-link 528ct which is ne2000 compatible I think. All my devices are pci. But my radio card and winmodem and hollywood plus don't work, which I didn't expect anyhow. There's not a whole lot of applications to play with, so you'll be downloading more. Overall I am very impressed with it, if I had all the applications I generally use for it (icq, web browsing, mp3, video, wordprocessing, some games and programming) I would use it all the time - given that it's incredibly fast, easy to use and stable. And I have 6 cards in my machine and no conflicts! It's a bx board, celeron 300a, 96mb ram, acer ax6bc brand board. 3 hard drives, scsi cd-r, ide dvd-rom. Haven't tried burning a disk yet but it's supposed to work. One more thing - not all websites work, I tried a secure site and it just failed, also had some complaints about javascript not enabled, but the failure could also be related to java as the secure site immediately loads a java applet. Obviously slashdot is working fine and I could post this message. Try www.tomshardware.com - it looks messed up at first but wait for it to download and it will correct itself.
Their OS with the database journaling filesystem, fast bootups and good multimedia support is a valid alternative OS especially for the desktop space that alot of Linux evangelists lust after right now.
It is not the fact that the OS is inferior. The company is finally slowly but surely waking up to the fact that making people pay for the OS is fool's way of making money.
If you had said that they did not go far enough I would sincerely agreed. However, you don't move mountains all at once. Corporations like mountains move slowly sometimes. One day soon I predict that you will see them open up the code of their product.
There have been some very good reviews of this OS in more than a few Alternative/Free OS type websites. I don't carry URLs like weapons around but do the searches. Once this thing is open sourced and the community can improve the code we will be the better for it. However, you do not insult a child for running after they made their first steps. That sort of zealotry marks our community and makes us all luck bad.
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BeOSCentral is kinda only half-there these days.
BeGroovy has more-or-less taken over the niche of funky, chatty news site.
BeNews has a full review of R5 Pro and Free up now.
Yabel (Yet Another BeOS Link) has a nice RDF index of the top news from most of the major BeOS sites.
Huh? Linux is not a micro-kernel based OS. MacOS X, the Hurd, and NeXTOS are, but not Linux.
The question should be, how can they compete against a free as in source OS like Linux. Their answer is to make Be free as in beer. Time will tell if it works, but I'm really not sure that Be and Linux are competitors in the first place. Not many people would use Be as a server OS and, on the flip side, not many people would use Linux on a desktop. This may change, but I think Be needs to grab some market share on the desktop first before trying to attack Linux.
Therefore, I see this really as an attempt by Be to compete with Windows and MacOS. What better way to get people to try it than to give away a mostly functional version for free? If customers like it, they will come back for the professional version.
Scot Hacker, author of The BeOS Bible, had an article over at BeNews about a possible way around this. Worth investigating once the free version is actually available.
Right here...
o r.ftp.be.com/
/pub/beos/
ftp://ftp.be.com/pub/
ftp://ftp.beeurope.com/pub/
ftp://ftp.archive.de.uu.net/pub/systems/BeOS/mirr
ftp://ftp.gbnet.net/pub/be/
ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/systems/be/
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/beos/
ftp://ftp.lab.kdd.co.jp/Be/
ftp://mirror.nucba.ac.jp/mirror/BeOS/
ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/BeOS/
ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/beos/
BeOS5 Free edition can be found under
A particular cool file is named:
BeOS4Linux.tar.gz
Or we could look @ it figure out what it does well, and then improve our own product (Linux).
Just bycotting something because it does not agree with our poltical views, is pointless.
There is always something to learn.
My 2 cents anyways.
Yes I can not spell...Wait....for a second there I almost cared.
Ok. I normally defend the writers, of the stories, but this time I cannot. Why did you not read the freaking page at free.be.com. It will be available today, but they are on the West Coast of the US and probably wont have it up until this afternoon. Now their site will be down for most of the day as people try to get in to download.
Read the freaking links that you post!!!!!!!!!!
The site is at http://opentracker.org.
;)
The license is the Open Tracker license, but it looks to be almost a version of the BSD license (not familiar with the intimates of the latter, I can't say for sure).
DAMN! Maybe we'll finally get a decent GUI for Linux!
BeOS's got a new logo and the list of the new features is here. Still more detail in here (complete list actually).
God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ --1Thes5:9
Stuck my foot in my mouth, it does require windows to install, at least according to the readme, and is also limited to 512 meg partition for it's "root" though can mount other partitions to use.. The free version is much more crippled then Be had led everyone to believe. But I guess the wording of the FAQ could have gone either way. I'm still curious about the BeOS4Linux.tar.gz file, anyone tried it, I can't get in to download off of any mirror... In any case I wish they had/will release an ISO with fewer limitations.. I can understand leaving out the royalty-laden stuff and leaving out a few features, but if they want to claim a free, fully-functional O/S it should in no way depend on any other O/S for anything and should not be limited to 512 megs, such a restriction truly makes freebe "crippleware". In any case, BeOS itself is great, I still have 4.5.2, and looks like I'll have to stick with it for now.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
From ftp.be.com/pub/MIRRORS:
t p.be.com/
m irror.ftp.be.com/
ftp.beeurope.com/pub/
ftp.archive.de.uu.net/pub/systems/BeOS/mirror.f
ftp.gbnet.net/pub/be/
uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/systems/be/
ftp.cdrom.com/pub/beos/
ftp.lab.kdd.co.jp/Be/
mirror.nucba.ac.jp/mirror/BeOS/
gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/BeOS/
mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/beos/
The above FTP sites are mirrors of ftp.be.com/pub/. They are
synchronized with ftp.be.com at least once per day, sometimes more
often. We encourage you to use these mirrors if your connection to
ftp.be.com is slow.If you have a fast connection to the Internet and
would be interested in maintaining a mirror of the Be FTP site, please contact us at
webmaster@be.com. Locations of the above servers:
Australia:mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/beos/
Austria:gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/BeOS/
France:ftp.beeurope.com/pub/
Germany:ftp.archive.de.uu.net/pub/systems/BeOS/
Japan:ftp.lab.kdd.co.jp/Be/
mirror.nucba.ac.jp/mirror/BeOS/
United Kingdom:ftp.gbnet.net/pub/be/
United States:ftp.be.com/pub/ (San Jose)
uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/systems/be/ (Champaign, Illinois)
ftp.cdrom.com/pub/beos/ (San Francisco)
- You aren't limited to 500 megs! Yes, the Be-in-a-file can only be that big, but if you set aside a partition (say, 1.5 megs) and format it as BeFS using the Partition Magic version that came with R4, you can install onto that directly using the "Installer" program that comes with FreeBe 5. I'll bet you could format partitions as BeFS using the DriveSetup utility that comes with FreeBe5 too... Check BeNews for details
- You're not limited to one processor! This is a problem only if you launch BeOS 5 directly from Windows, as the second processor is disabled in hardware during the Windows boot sequence. Make a boot floppy and start from there, or install the BeOS Boot manager by running "bootman" in the BeOS shell (Be Menu -> Applications -> Terminal
... Bash, whee)
In fact, you can install BeOS 5 overtop of your existing 4.5.2 partition and it will boot without any problems... Or at least none that I've found yet while typing this post in the new NetPositive!Wah!
> Be are simply doing this for marketing reasons
> and not from any type of kindess or good-will.
Of course they are. BeOS is a commercial product, still fairly new on the scene. Most people only know of Microsoft. Be would certainly do anything to give them an edge over the crew at Redmond. And, in my opinion, they have done the best thing that they could do. By releasing a fully functional version of their OS as free for personal use, they are gaining a massive audience and potential customer base (that is, everyone in the world whose ears perk up at the prospect of getting something for free).
This, however, is only the beginning. Once people see the basic version in action, things will begin to happen. So-called "power users" will get curious about the bells and whistles available in the for-sale version... those who are really impressed will buy a copy to show their support (and to fund further development)... those steeped in the hyper-commercial eighties/nineties/naughties culture will buy a copy because the freebie "feels wrong to them", or some similar nonsense... and when the CEO, CIO, or CFO sees what h[is/er] kid has downloaded, starts playing with it, and likes it... BeOS might find its way onto quite a few desktops in the business space as well.
> They realise that their OS is regarded as an
> inferior product with little support and a very
> small user base, and as such are trying to
> increase their share of the OS market through
> this publicity stunt.
Who have you been talking to? By all accounts that I've heard, BeOS is a well-designed and well-implemented OS that has made astounding progress in such a short time. Of course its user base is small compared to, say, Microsoft's... but that is why Be is using this marketing tactic (or "publicity stunt", as you misjudge it).
> Until Be show that they are truly commited to
> the community by releasing the source code for
> BeOS then I think we should boycott this as we
> should any other closed-source product. If we
> blindly rush to download BeOS then you are
> tacitly supporting closed-source applications
> and OSes, and thus harming the open-source
> movement.
Be is NOT committed to the [open-source] community. They are committed to developing, producing, and marketing their product, as is any commercial venture. At least Be is choosing to do it by developing a quality product and increasing its visibility to as wide an audience as possible. Certain other companies take much easier ways out (e.g. leveraging monopoly power to push low-quality product).
Everything has its place, ye zealot. Supporting a quality product, even if it is closed-source, is not harming the Open Source movement.
Lighten up.
--LordEq
Americas: /freebe/ - BeForever, Omaha, NE
http://www.zdnet.com/ - Ziff-Davis, North America
http://download.cnet.com/ - CNET/Download.com, California
ftp://.beoscentral.com/pub/ - BeOS CentralJohnson City, TN
http://freebe.nerdygirls.com/ - Oak Ridge, TN
ftp://www.beforever.com/pub/beforever
ftp://mirrors.rochester.rr.com/pub/be/ - RoadRunner.Com, Rochester, NY
ftp://ftp.be.com/pub/beos/ - Be, Inc. San Jose, CA
Europe/Australia: /beos/ - ComputerChannel, Hamburg, Germany
ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/beos/ - AARNet, Brisbane, Australia
ftp://ftp.beeurope.com/pub/ - BeEurope, Paris, France
ftp://ftp.worldonline.fr/ - World Online, Paris, France
ftp://ftp.gigabell.net/pub/beos/ - Gigabell.Net, Frankfurt, Germany
ftp://ftp.ph-freiburg.de/pub/m irrors/ftp.be.com/beos - P.H. Freiburg, Freiburg, Germany
http://www.computerchannel.de/download
ftp://ftp.xtdnet.com/pub/ - XTDNet, Karlsruhe, Germany
ftp://ftp.zdf.de/pub/ - Neues-3Sat Online, Mainz, Germany
http://pcteor1.mi.infn.it/beos/ - Univ. of Milan, Milan, Italy
ftp://dl.xs4all.nl/pub/ - XS4All, Amsterdam, Netherlands
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/BeOS/ - SUNET, Uppsala, Sweden