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LTB writes "Regarding your story about the Phantom Menace DVD release - an update has been posted at aintitcool with news to the contrary. Sorry guys, If it's too good to be true... "
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Seriously. I love this site, but this infatuation with this stupid movie on DVD means nothing to me. I can think of about 50 more important stories to report on today. Hell, this is only one notch above yet-another-Elian-Gonzalez-story. Enough. If it comes out on DVD, fine. If it doesn't, then don't give G Lucas any more of your money and shut up.
Maybe that Natalie Portman-obsessed guy was onto something...
Let me tell you that George Lucas hasn't gotten a DIME out of me regarding Star Wars. Out of the entire series, I've only seen the first movie once. (NOT the first episode, the first MOVIE.) And that was borrowing it from a friend.
I thought it sucked, so I haven't seen any of the sequels, OR the prequel. Sorry, but that's my opinion.
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IIRC, they are releasing it on Laserdisc in Japan, so it could just be a confused guy mixing the two up.
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Hey, don't believe stuff just because it's in the legitimate press, either.
A buddy of mine (with some input from me) once released a bogus episode list for an upcoming season of Deep Space 9, and it made it into Australian newspapers as a "studio employee leak".
AICN probably would have spotted that list for what it was.
How many stories are deleted, later updated with a note ("Oops, turns out this story is wrong."), or corrected with a new story (such as this one)? Quite a few.
Meanwhile with only 15 or so stories posted every day, there are GOOD stories posted that never see the light of day. I submitted a story a few weeks back that the Macromedia Flash SDK's were released to the public allowing anyone to make a Flash Plug-In or tie Flash export to any program on any OS and the story never gets posted.
So now Slashdot is telling me that people would rather read about a rumor that is rumored not to be true on the release of a movie everyone hates, than start incorporating Flash export into a Linux program? Where are our priorities?
So this is the kind of person who works at Andover.net. No wonder your stock is in the toilet.
DrLunch.com The site that tells you what's for lunch!
There is a preference you can set in your user profile to filter out star wars stories, if you don't want to see them.
Too bad there isn't one to filter out your whiny ass.
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Unless "Ben Hur" has been remastered to have Sandpeople taking pot shots at the chariots, I still need SW:TPM on DVD. Also in Ben Hur I cannot watch loose pod engines flying about the statium and secretly hope that this viewing, one will wander into Jar-Jar.
Come to think of it, that would make for a really funny set of deleted scenes - every scene Jar-Jar is in, something catastrophic happens to Jar-Jar, Kenny style!
Not that Ben Hur is not a fine movie (I have seen it before) that I also wish to own!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
I am pretty sure I'm going to get flamed for this, and maybe even deservedly so, BUT:
Why is it that there seems to be so much anti-profit sentiment coming from the open source community? The majority of complaints regarding TPM I have seen posted in this thread are bitching about Lucasfilm "fleecing" the viewer, or "overmarketing", or whatever. The contradiction I see is between this attitude, and that of the libertarian capitalist whose main purpose in a marketplace is to return as much of a profit as possible.
As much as I personally dislike Ayn Rand these days, I see many similarities between the way Lucas is treated by the public (of which /. is a part, like it or not) and the way Howard Roark was treated in "The Fountainhead." Consider:
Both followed what they loved
Both were vilified by the media and the public
Both were visionary in their own way
Both insist upon total creative control of their projects
Now, all of these are admirable qualities to have. And while I might disagree with some of the creative decisions made by Lucas, I certainly do not begrudge him his ability to make those decisions, nor to profit from it. I am in the minority in that I feel that Phantom Menace was actually a good movie [shock! heresy! blasphemer! mindless M$ drone!] I would certainly rather my hard earned dollars go to Lucasfilm than to the US Government, M$, Red Hat, organized religion, Old Navy, the RIAA or MPAA (of which Lucasfilm is not a member), or many other things I can think of.
Lucas is a visionary. All visionaries are vilified. You can scream that he is a sell-out, but I remind you that he is selling out to himself, which is what the game is all about, friends.
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I just noticed that we can filter out Star Wars if we don't want to see it now. Way to go Slashdot people.
Woohoo! (and all the rest of that.. I hate Star Wars, haven't seen the new one, and won't)
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If a tree falls on an anonymous coward yelling 'first post' in the forest, does anybody hear?
Everyone complained about how lame this movie was. Now, all of a sudden, everyone is desperate for for the DVD. Doesn't make sense. Does everyone just LOVE to buy horrible movies on DVD?
DVD competes with THX? How so? They're completely different things. And there are "THX-encoded" DVDs out there. My copy of Army Of Darkness does the whole THX song and dance.
Anyone stop to think that if George Lucas did call a rock radio station he would at least let the webmaster at www.starwars.com post the same story? AICN just ain't that cool, its a video store clerk's fantasy site and is more fiction than anything else.
just a question, but how many /. stories have been posted considerig this movie, both in terms of when it was coming out, details about the movie, reviews of the movie, and this whole dvd rumor crap?
/., and all concerning a movie that wasn't half as good as the original trilogy and looked like it was aimed to please 6 yr olds.
/. than the George Lucas worship.
I bet you that there have been close to a dozen different Star Wars Phantom Menace stories on
Enough is enough... this stuff should just be posted on the plethora of stupid sites dedicated to performing sexual acts on George Lucas and idol-worshipping him for a half-baked storyline which only contained about 30 min of quality footage.
Why is this story here? To be honest, I think the stock story of this past weekend was a better addition to
These aren't the rumors you're looking for.
I'm going to live forever or die trying.
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As it was said before, it was pretty obvious this wouldn't happen, Lucas has stated plenty of times that he wouldn't release Star Wars on DVD because it was an untested medium (yeah right, DVD is a household word now). Besides that, it would've been all over www.starwars.com as some huge announcment to get some attention before it was leaked out. Oh well, we can all wait. It's just too bad I can't watch Episode 1 on DVD because it was such an outstanding achievment in the history of movies (end sarcasm).
This needs to be said (sorry if it's offensive)...
Slashdot is hardly a "news" site. Ignoring the book reviews, Ask Slashdot, Interviews and Jon Katz rants, you have a bunch of stories lifted from other sites, with (evidently) no verification whatsoever before the story is posted. How many stories are deleted, later updated with a note ("Oops, turns out this story is wrong."), or corrected with a new story (such as this one)? Quite a few.
I already own two copies of the original trilogy: the "original" original, and the special edition. I almost bought the letterbox version of the special edition when I saw that later. I was in the checkout line, and I asked myself "How many times are you going to buy Star Wars?" Luckily, I escaped, and decided to stop emptying my pockets every time another version of the same movie comes out. I'll wait for the DVD version with tons of extra features. I'd even pay a premium to get it! But I simply won't bother spending money on a crappy VHS tape or a DVD that's devoid of features. On the other hand, I'd pay almost any amount to get the theoretical full-featured DVD. $100? No problem!
The way that Lucas markets things you'd think that he got his ideas from Mel Brooks Spaceballs. "Spaceballs: The Flamethrower. The kids love this one" - Yogurt
You would think that the logical thing would be to release it on VHS and DVD, considering how LucasArts has this whole big thing about the quality of their films and everything. What I dont understand is why they did NOT do a DVD release. VHS quality is so much lower than DVD quality, and with the digital prints that they were using for TPM, DVD would be a wonderful medium for TPM to be released on.
IMO, I dont think that we will see a TPM DVD release soon. But if we do, I will buy it, even though I got up at midnight to purchase the widescreen VHS version.
*sigh*
-B
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Jesus Christ on Popsicle sticks.
Apologies for the inflammatory subject line, but how many times has a rumor like this been floating around before? Star Wars DVD rumors are a dime a dozen, and each one is "more legitimate" than the one before. And then, a couple of days ago, Slashdot reports that the rumor is floating around again! Of course, this time, the rumor is true! (Really, it is!) Then, a few days later, Slashdot is forced to print (hold on to your hats, folks) a retraction, because the initial story was (again, hold on to your hats, folks) wrong.
Look, I like Slashdot as much as the next guy, and I think that all of these troll idiots who post nothing but "SLASHDOT REALLY SUCKS NOW" and related junk are severely without lives. But I think we can all agree that when Slashdot tosses journalistic integrity to the wind and prints sensationalistic stories like this that have not one single shred of evidence to back them up, it makes Slashdot look bad. Amateurish, you know?
Rob and company, I love your site
That is all.
The roller coaster will only stop when large numbers of hard core fans tell George Lucas to go screw himself and take their money elsewhere. The only chance of this happening in the near future is if Episode 2 is as poor as TPM. I would certainly consider myself a Star Wars "Fan", and I hope that Episode 2 is the greatest film of all time, but after TPM, my money is staying in my pocket until he shows me a good movie.
This "No DVD until the box set" thing is rediculous. Lucas obviously wants millions of his most loyal fans to purchase two copies of an identical movie, and nobody seems to be calling him on it. Just because he made some brilliant movies a while ago and wears flannel shirts, doesn't mean he isn't as greedy as the Armani suit wearing CEOs we all love to hate.
Don't play his game, don't give him more money until he stops screwing us around.
-B
I thought the movie was OK, but I really want a DVD so I can watch the two most interesting parts - the pod race and final darth maul fight - without having to wade through the annoying parts of the movie.
Even if video tape didn't degrade the way it does, I'd still like a DVD just for the easy random access.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The Digital Bits, which is a DVD news site (and therefore IMHO a more likely source for DVD news than AICN), claims to have actual Lucasfilm inside information (rather than just a "we don't have a release date" comment from an un-named source). These guys are part of the "Star Wars on DVD" campaign and have managed to get contacts with LFL as part of that.
In particular, their Rumor Mill page says that there won't be any Star Wars DVDs in 2000; they're currently hearing 1Q 2001 for Phantom Menace and "very tentative plans" for the original trilogy for the 2001 holiday season.
You will note that this doesn't actually conflict with AICN's latest--there's no real release date yet--though it certainly conflicts with what "some guy at Suncoast" said in the original AICN article.
(As for his credibility, if a mall store employee told me the sun would be rising in the east tomorrow, I'd be checking the other horizon. :-)
slashdot is beginning to sound like a 5 year old on a long car trip: "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"...
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Who in their right mind uses "Ain't It Cool" news as a primary source? Shouldn't the title of the site and the lack of writing skills on the boards be a dead giveaway that it's mostly bogus?
Let's put it this way - rumor-mongers though they might be, at least TheSmokingGun has verifiable documentation of all the stuff they claim, unlike the 'news' at 'Ain't It Cool'. At least that makes it smell a little more like journalism.
Always, always verify your sources, and don't always believe what's on the Web... I had thought Slashdot was a little better about picking-and-choosing source material, even on slow news days. Tsk, tsk, tsk!
Best regards,
LConover
"Hope clouds observation." (Frank Herbert, Dune.)
1) "George Lucas is a flaming greedy capitalist whore, boycott his movies!!!!"
Three words: get a grip. Do you know George Lucas personally? I don't. I'm sure you don't either. Making petty personal attacks is the #1 reason no one outside of the geek community takes the geek community seriously. It smacks of both penis envy and I'm-Sixteen-And-Pissed-Off-At-The-World Syndrome, and it's also defacing a quiet, unassuming geek himself who's a decent family man. If you don't buy Lucas' reasoning that he wants to be able to do something artistically special for the DVD, that's fine. Keep your name-calling to yourself.
2) "Phantom Menace/ROTJ/the series sucks balls compared to Matrix/Dune/Cube/whatever!!!"
Lucas set out to create a movie to capture the magic of both the Saturday cartoon serial and movies that he remembers fondly from his childhood. The reason most of you thought the original trilogy kicked ass and Episode I blew isn't because of any large qualitative difference, it's because you watched them twenty years apart. I was born in 1978, so the first time I saw Star Wars was on videotape, and it had exactly the effect Lucas wanted. I went into Episode I knowing it was a movie aimed at a 10 year old, and I enjoyed it for what it was. Are The Matrix and Pokemon aimed at the same audience? Would you compare the two? So quit making lame analogies that don't fit. Oh yeah, and I hereby predict that after Matrix 3 (or whatever it'll be called) everyone and their mother on Slashdot will be rushing to be "cool" as the people who call the creators "sellouts" and "profitmongers", as they were disappointed that Matrix 3 didn't have the same "magic" as the first. Well, no shit. There's only a first time for everything. Wouldn't you think after 3 movies, or 6, that they won't have at least some feel of "been there, done that?"
3) "Lucas should stop letting down his fans with all this hype and give us the DVD/3 sequels/free movies/adult themes that we want!!!"
I'm sorry, is this art by committee? Lucas is the rare artist (extremely rare) who has enough power and influence to do things exactly how he wants, and you people flame him for not pandering to the masses?? Jesus Christ!! Go back to listening to Third Eye Blind or watching cheesy summer action flicks. I'd rather see the rare something that was uncut and unprostituted to make everyone happy, warts and all.
The bottom line is, if you don't like the series or the movie, don't contribute money to Lucas. He doesn't want it anyway - he's already one of the richest men alive, and the only reason he needs any more is so he can create more movies, which is what he loves. Don't say "well, I think the movie, but I'll buy it anyway." Just don't buy it, don't whine about it, and for God's sake don't spend your time making up mud to sling at Lucas.
I'm going a step farther to say I'm disappointed in how mindless and drone-like Slashdot is appearing in non-issues like this subject. For every post that actually has something interesting or insightful to say, there are 20 more that fit into one of the categories above marked "Score 5: Insightful". Pass the barf bag.
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I predicted this roller coaster. While all this hype over a possible DVD is brewing, it's keeping interest in TPM alive. So people throw out a rumor here....a rebuttal there. The main point is: Nobody Cares! Okay, so if a DVD comes out all you Star Wars fanatics can roll in delight, and talk about how Great it is. If no DVD comes out, you can roll in despair and talk about how great it would have been. Then you can fall back on VHS.
George Lucas is laughing his ass off. He knows what's going on, and he knows it means one thing: MORE MONEY. For every statement that denies that a DVD will come out, X amount of people say "Screw it, I'll just buy the tape." Then another article comes out, and another rebutes THAT one. Then X MORE people buy the tape. the process repeats about 20 or so times, and then the hype dies down. When the hype dies down, there would be only one thing left to do:
Release the standard DVD.
Then, he'll start the whole process over again with the promise of a "Special Edition" DVD. (Or hell, maybe he'll release a "Special Edition" VHS, ride the hype coaster one more time, THEN release the "Special Edition" DVD.)
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The so-called update (above) is from SUNDAY, ie BEFORE yesterdays statements.
Not only is this NOT an update, it renders this entire discussion moot, since Lucas claimed that on Monday or Tuesday that he's going to release.
I hereby call for slashdot to NEVER get their stories from AICN ever again.
Pope
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
"Much like the Star Wars discussions on its lack of DVD, this is another one that always gets a chuckle in my mind. How many other products do you have where the customer is practically throwing their money at the company and the company doesn't release the product. Only the video industry..."
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
So now the rumor is rumored not to be true.
MPAA couldn't possibly stop us: how would it look in court? "Yes, your honor, we're suing these guys for taking it off a DVD, and we're suing these guys for putting it onto a DVD. We hate everybody."