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John Cash Leaves id Software for Blizzard

Jacek Fedorynski writes "John Cash has left id Software to work on a yet unannounced project at Blizzard. Here's Graeme Devine's .plan update on the subject."

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  1. Re:STARCRAFT????????? by Vladinator · · Score: 2

    That's SYgate. Not SYSgate. And SYgate is now too expensive. They used to have a good, reliable, and inexpensive product. Now it's pick any two of the above, as long as you're not picking inexpensive.

    Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!

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  2. ID's turnover by MicroBerto · · Score: 3
    Is it me or does ID have relatively high job turnover? It seems that someone big leaves every 3 or 4 months.

    The last time I asked htis, i got flamebait, but it was cool that John Carmack himself replied to me and explained what had happened.. but still: what's going on over there?

    Mike Roberto (roberto@soul.apk.net) -GAIM: MicroBerto

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    1. Re:ID's turnover by Jasonv · · Score: 2

      Most of the major people who've left have been programmers. The art people (Paul Jaquays, Tim Willits, Paul Steed, etc) seem to be pretty steady.

      I would guess that some pretty talented programmers come on to Id looking to get a chance to work in a 'bleeing edge' environment. What they get is and obsesive-compulsive work-a-holic controlling Carmack working 99% of the R&D/interesting coding and getting them to fill in the gaps/bugs. Heck - this guy takes 'vacations' by locking himself in a hotel in some remote place and developing new 3d engines for a few weeks.

      The programmers eventually get over the 'awe' of working with Carmack and then get a chance to work in some other cool environment where they will possibly get more of a hands-on role and can apply some of the knowledge they've picked up while watching Carmack work...

      That's my guess, at least...

  3. id in trouble? by WasterDave · · Score: 3

    You know, I've been thinking this for a while. Q3 was all well and good, very pretty - not that you've got time to look at it. But it is a sport, not a game as such.

    So where'd all the magic go? These games used to suck you in so you'd forget to eat. My flatmate failed his degree because of Doom2 (I only survived because I passed my degree before 486's were commonplace). I was thinking that maybe I was getting old, but, well.... half life.

    Are id in trouble? Have they lost their way? Have we reached a point where merely better graphics will not make a game more immersive, and did we get there when Quake was released?

    More to the point, when the hell do we get Duke Nukem forever?

    Dave :)

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  4. Re:Hmmm... by EvlG · · Score: 2

    Although, I have to say, both Hook and Abrash have gone on record as saying one of the reasons they left was get to a greener environment. I haven't heard if this was part of Cash's motivation. :)

    That I will grant you. Dallas is basically a big field of concrete :)

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  6. Re:Holy late stories Batman! by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2

    Now you need to go into a rant about how the whole scene has degenerated, and how it's nothing like it used to be back when you first got into it two years ago.

  7. Re:Hmmm... by EvlG · · Score: 2

    not that Dallas claims it as such ;)

    Got that right. My friends call it the "armpit of dallas." :)

  8. Re:Armpit of Dallas by EvlG · · Score: 2

    I haven't heard an official term, but I think Grand Prarie must be something like the ruptured spleen of Dallas ;)

  9. Johnny Cash by ajlitt · · Score: 3

    Wasn't he responsible for the Burning Rings of Fire in Quake3?

  10. For people who don't know who John Cash is.... by FreshView · · Score: 3

    I believe, but I'm not sure, that John Cash is the first programmer id ever hired. Carmack and Romero were founders. If I recall correctly, they hired John Cash from Novell to help with the netcode in Doom, and the rest, as they say, is history.

    Mr. Cash is famous for being a mormon, having 5 kids, and the "John Cash Diet".

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    1. Re:For people who don't know who John Cash is.... by FreshView · · Score: 2

      No, not Michael Abrash, Abrash came in when carmack was working on Quake (I have the book, I actually have Zen of graphics programming, the preceeding book, as well), but now that I think about it, I think Sandy Petersen was the first programmer id hired.

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  11. Re:iD short of programmers? by barzok · · Score: 2

    Actually, Zoid never "left" id, as he was never "there" to begin with. He was a contractor who just happened to have a long-term, very good relationship with id.

  12. New Game by Datafage · · Score: 4
    3 to 1 says Blizzard South's second team is working on a massively multiplayer game. It is known that they are working on a completely new franchise, not a sequel, and the master of network coding being hired would suggest that they want a LOT of people at once. I only hope its better than the MMORGPGs that are out now...

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  13. Re:Yikes. by Sludge · · Score: 2

    You forgot Adrian Carmack, the guy who did all the textures for every game since, I think, Wolf3D. No relation to John.

  14. Re:Hmmm... by EvlG · · Score: 2

    Dallas, TX isn't exactly Nowhereville, Texas.

    (And yes, Mesquite is part of the DFW Metroplex).

  15. The conspiracy deepens by Quintin+Stone · · Score: 4
    • One must admit, however, that the whole John thing is a little strange. John Romero, John Cash, John Carmack. Does that mean during the early days of id, all three people in the company were named John?
    Even stranger still... has anyone else realized that all three of those people were issued U.S. social security numbers the day after Orson Welles' famous "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast in 1938? A little digging reveals that the original staff list of Id Software included such unlikely monikers as "John Bigbootey" (pronounced 'big-boo-tay') and "John Smallberries", just to name a few. That's a lot of Johns.

    I, for one, am a little suspicious of the true nature and origin of this particular game company. My Jamaican friends paint a darker picture of Id than most people are aware. If only a fraction of what they suggest is true....

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  16. Odd news, in a way by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2

    Cash was a behind the scenes grunt at id. A nice guy, yes, and a good programmer, but there are hundreds of other John Cash types in the game business, people who have worked on amazing 3D games. It's strange that being at id causes such fame, with so many talented 3D gurus laboring in obscurity.

  17. What is there to say? by Anonymous+Shepherd · · Score: 2

    ID is a 'limited' company. They do excellent technology and software, have a large fanbase, but are typecast into the FPS game/world.

    It'd be interesting to track all the ID graduates over the next 5 years. Hook, Romero, Zoid, Cash, and Carmack. We'll see Romero's child this year, if all goes well(Xs fingers).

    Well, best of luck to Cash and the rest of ID's ex members, and ID!

    -AS

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  18. Training grounds by zpengo · · Score: 2
    Id is like the training grounds for new programmers, or the arena in which all newbies must show what they can do.

    It seems like all the greats have worked for Id at some point!

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  19. Not really.... by GNUs-Not-Good · · Score: 2

    the gaming industry is just very high profile.

    Look at ShugaShack and the others. Every time Carmack (or any other iD person) updates his .plan file, they write a story about it.

  20. Yikes. by be-fan · · Score: 3

    Yikes, at first I thought John Carmack was leaving id. Whoa, that'd be the day. One must admit, however, that the whole John thing is a little strange. John Romero, John Cash, John Carmack. Does that mean during the early days of id, all three people in the company were named John? Secondly, does anybody think Carmack will leave id eventually. A man does get tired of doing one thing. In interviews Carmack has shown himself to be pretty narrowly focused, but not closed to the idea of using his skills for other tasks. In fact, he's already done some stuff with porting X to Darwin and some stuff with graphics cards under linux.

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