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3-D Monitor From Deep Video Imaging
Silver A writes: "Deep Video Imaging Ltd. has available monitors with real, physical depth, and touchscreen capability. Unfortunately, it's only 800 x 600 x 2 so far. The base model is only $8765.00 for US and Canadian customers. This looks really cool, but I'd like to know if they plan to go to more than 2 planes, and if they support X." Or, on the other hand, if X will support them. These may have limited utility as is, but undeniably cool.
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Since LCDs absorb light (rather than emit light) it is impossible to have a lit pixel behind a black area. This rules out using stacked LCDs.
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I'm curious if . . . it would be possible to do . . . with video the same thing that stereo speakers have done for sound.
The two reasons why you can use two speakers to simulate sound from points other than the speakers are
1) A speaker in each ear, so you can manipulate the data going to each ear and
2) The sound moves, and by exploiting the delay involved in the sound going from the speaker to your ear, you can create these effects.
You can do the same with displays by:
1) Having a display for each eye (which is currently the best bid on stereo vision) through head displays, or other eye type filters (LCD shutters, polarized lenses, etc)
2) Moving the display or display surface. If you move an LCD display in and out then you can simulate having infinite planes of display. (I've thought about this in quite a bit of depth. The main issue here is reliability of a large mechanical system including wear, sound and vibration issues)
If you could cause the speed of light to slow down to about the speed of sound, then it is theoretically feasable that one could sit in a mirrored room and generate 3D holograms without special headgear. Einstein! Where are you!? (Said like, "Scooby-doo, where are you?")
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Porn freaks -- they drive just about every other technological invention down in price (think CD-ROMs, VCR's, etc., God bless their pervert brains and sweaty palms! P.S. -- I think gaming could be pretty cool on this, too.
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One thing you can't really do with hardware layering and mixdown is provide a feeling of space - with this screen you can move your head ever so slightly and get a concept of depth, even if its only minor.
This could have exciting implications for future GUI design, and if they perfect the manufacturing process to the point where more than 2 planes can be sandwiched (say, 32 or 64?) then we start seeing some really interesting opportunities for GUI design, not to mention the artistic value, which is often inappropriately overlooked in technology.
Imagine a GUI that gives you a degree of depth inherently without requiring large resources - buttons could have 3d edges that were handled at the hardware level, rather than software - thus making for better resource management, and therefore leading to more efficient GUI performance. This may seem minor, and perhaps it is, but I can see how this would have potential.
Once we get up to the 64-pixel Z-plane level of production, I can see widgets being designed that use the Z-plane to provide ancilliary info feedback to the user without requiring any more interaction on the users part than to just move their head and look closer.
I was thinking about this similar "liveliness" aspect of GUI design the other day when playing with http://www.praystation.com/ (excellent web page) - it'd be nice if there were some way to produce a screen that could figure out what you were looking at, perhaps by bouncing something off your retina and doing geometry to get a point of what you're looking at. In the 80's, marketing devices that used lasers to see what you were looking at were used to do market research of TV commercials - it'd be nice to see something like this built into LCD screens, so we could do away with the mouse altogether.
But the thought I had was that, with something like this, the longer you look at the control the more information it could provide you - bringing a "liveliness" aspect to the control that we don't currently have with the static 2d shapes we call user interfaces right now.
Having a 3D screen with a 64-layer Z-plane would be another way to add 'liveliness' to an interface... you could for example build a mixing console that provides you with channel insert information, with amplituded represented in depth.
I'd say 64-layer Z-planes would be the next major step for this company. Get things to that point, and the GUI design world starts to get *really* interesting...
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It's impossible to have a black pixel behind and a lit pixel on top.
For the techs out there, they simply use a standard (matrox?) video card set at 1600x600 - the left half of the display is underneath and the right half is on top. It makes for some <ahem> interesting mouse navigation.
I've overheard that their intended market is embedded kiosks - like those automated movie dispenser things or the "virtual tour guide" at the tourist center.
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Oops, I was going to post this, but I realized there is a slight security hole, slashdot lets you post in 70 seconds intervals, with this script the 70 seconds intervals is not enforced, thus one can automate this and just flood the entire slashdot with garbage in a few minutes! ick!
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"I can't get to the site right now, but why couldn't the company make just layers of LCD screens?"
I imagine this may have something to do with pixel aperture ratios. An active-matrix LCD panel isn't completely transparent--the transistors and other components take up space and occlude part of each pixel. A high-aperture LCD might have as much as 70-80% of each pixel open, but even so you'll eventually loose too much light as you stack up more and more layers.
First of all, this should really be labelled 2.5D, not 3D, since it is layered.
It was only a matter of time until people started coming out with displays such as this. Layering 10 transparent LCDs would be good also.
The problems is the bandwidth needed to drive such a beast. Imagine 10 layers (not very many at all) and 1024x768x24 at 60Hz. This means you need a graphics card capable of handling over 12Gb/s of data. In comparison, my 1600x1200 monitor only needs 46Mb/s of bandwidth.
But then, bandwidth is a widespread problem that is getting more attention than other problems. Imagine an HDTV receiver that gets 10 channels synchronized to a 10 layer monitor... 2.5D movies, anyone?
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Hey, I tried out Virtual Boy! I didn't buy it, mind you, I rented it. For the first 10 minutes after I started using it I thought it was the coolest thing ever made. Then my eyes began to hurt, but for some reason I kept playing. Then I finally realized that there was something like a total of 4 games for it and they all sucked royally. I also realized that if I used it much longer my eyes would probably start bleeding or something. Anyway, once the novelty wore off it was hard not to realize that Virtual Boy was just a crappy system in many different ways. However, that does not mean this monitor concept is necessarily that bad an idea. I just hope my eyes won't start bleeding if I use it.
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...Virtual Boy! Anybody admit to trying out the crappy 3D toy? It didn't really have any modern 3D hardware, so it showed GameBoyish sprites at varying depths. This really sucked. Layers of flat screen don't look like anything useful or interesting; you'd need hundreds of layers packed very close together to be even moderately useful.
displaying the left half of your browser on top of the right half, tricking your system into thinking you were running at 1600x600
Better yet, run a lot of adbars on the back screen plane. That way, you can surf the web on the front screen and still get paid to use Windows.
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...nobody buys them. It seems everyone would rather have double the frame rate or double the resolution than binocular vision.
I'm curious if using a display such as this, although the display only creates Two Dimensions, if it would be possible to do the same thing with video the same thing that stereo speakers have done for sound.
With sound, you may only have two speakers(or more) speakers, but using fading effects, you can create the illusion of a sound being anywhere between or even outside the speaker radius.
Would it be possible to do a similar effect using a 2-Dimensional display monitor? Perhaps the "front" dimension has an image(a mouse pointer for example), and while you move it to the "rear" dimension(since there are only two with this display), the front dimension "fades" the image into the rear dimension, creating the illusion that it has actually passed through space to get there, as if there really were more than two dimensions.
Undoubtedly, to create the look of two dimensions, what the technology has required was one "transparent" display on top of another regular display, and all it would require would be a fading transparency effect to accomplish such illusions a demonstrated above.
The possibllities here could be quite intriguing.
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I was just thinking that for folks who are blind or otherwise visually impared could really use a monitor like this, especially if it were used in a display environment where folks who are also not so handicapped would also be able to use the same device.
I imagine that there are some braile reading devices already, but this certainly could be used in a manner like that, allowing you to view web pages in braile and even grab images with some false relief so they can enjoy some of the benefits of the web as well. At least this is a very pratcial application for even using a two-height display.
This could also be useful in applications where you need to have a configurable tactile display, such as the classic bridge controls found in the Star Trek TV series (post TOS). As you are pushing buttons you can change the "feel" of the user interface, and even "vibrate" the buttons to give a tactile response.
Yeah, I think you could find some customers for something like this, even at the $8800 price tag.
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To make a holographic display, all you need is
- a screen with a dot pitch smaller than the wave length of light
- and the pixels have to emit coherent (i.e. laser) light
- and you have to control the phase at which each pixel emits
Yeah...that's the ticket: if you control the amplitude and phase of the light emitted at each point on a surface, then you can synthesize any image.Computing the required video bandwidth is left as an exercise for the reader.
I'd love to know how representative the clickers are of the whole of slashdot. IIRC slashdot's Windows/Linux proportions a year ago were about the same as in these stats, so it's possible.
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at the mall when Florsheim shoes suggests you browse their shoe collection through the atm-machine-like unit they use instead of a paper catalog. Just think! Now that intel commercial with the guy dropping that new car with the forklift could be a reality!!!
I apologzie for the shouting, but the signal to noise ratio has hit about 1/5 today. The links cause you to post another report with your browser info. Don't click on 'em.
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Pretty easy to answer: The people who want/need it. Not many people have much use for someone who can dunk a basketball from the 3 point line 95% of the time either. On the other hand, the people who do (e.g. NBA teams) are willing to pay a REALLY pretty penny for the ability.
Similarly when I'm looking for a job. Not everybody needs my skill set, but those who do are willing to pay reasonably well for it :-((But not as much as Jordan gets))-:
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Unfortunately, it's only 800 x 600 x 2 so far
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