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Wozniak Inducted Into Inventors Hall Of Fame
piggy writes: "Seven inventors, including Steve Wozniak, the inventor of the Apple I and Apple II, were added to the National Inventors Hall of Fame. Yahoo has the article." This is great to hear -- Woz has always been one of my heroes, and it's great to see him recognized for the incredible work he has done for the industry. According to the article, the Hall of Fame was created in 1973 by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and the National Council of Intellectual Property Attorneys.
Another great inventor, who goes often unnoticed is Bill Lear: invented the car radio, founded the Motorola company; invented the executive jet plane, founded the Gates Lear Jet company. When he died, he was busy designing updated steam cars. Isn't that what they call a "Renaissance Man"?
And what about R. G. LeTorneau? He invented a lot of earth moving machines and founded a company to make them. When he sold his company, the contract stated that he couldn't design earth moving equipment during a ten year period. So, he invented the off-shore oil drilling platform.
You write that he has much better things to do... why? He's not in the business for the money. As I recall, he's teaching computers in a school... here is a real hacker, someone who cares about teaching people... and that's exactly why he deserves to be honored.
Yeah, without Jobs the Apple's would never had been what they are today. But so what? We're not honoring businessmen... it's about innovators, and (hopefully) true devotees to technology... long live the Woz!
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>>Will we see Jeff Bezos and Amazon inducted into the hall in 2060 for patents which changed the way the web worked? ;-)
Even in the hyperspeed economy of today, it takes a little while for it to become clear exactly who is *worthy* of an award, and who was just a sham.
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Go to the Fry's at the corner of Central Expressway and Lawrence Expressway in Sunnyvale. There is one hiding in a plexiglass bubble in the book section, kinda forgotten...
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>designs could be built by 'electronic
>enthusiasts' are you?
The ones in which Woz had a hand in the design can.
Not only that, but when you bought a Woz designed Apple, you got the complete schematics of the MB, complete with part numbers of all the ICs and other components...
Oh... and you also got documented assembler code for all the ROMs as well... AND a built in disassembler in the ROM in case anything got updated but not documented.
ALL of this came with every Apple, AND he freely handed out all of the above to the Homebrew club and anyone else who asked. Basically, you didn't have to buy an Apple from Apple, you could write to them, get the schematics, and build it yourself if you wanted to. Apple just sold the completed box (with the nice plastic case) for anyone eho WASN'T skilled with a soldiering iron.
My dad still has a copy of the Apple ][ schematics that he actually got Woz to autograph at a trade show back when I was like... four or something. He's also promised that I WILL inherit those Apple docs.
It wasn't until the influence of Gasse and Sculley that Apple hardware became closed. Gasse, incidently, for all his public whining about Apple "not releasing the G3 specs to Be", was the one who fought most tenaciously to KEEP APPLE CLOSED and NOT allow clones. By this time, both Steves had been forced out of the company.
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Among the various "hacks" done to the Comodore Pet, perhaps the most bizzare was connecting three modems to a 64K PET and "timesharing" the computer with a rudimentary operating system. This could support up to 4 simultaneous users (including the console user) and do some of the really cool stuff you could do with timeshared environments (well before the internet was even available to the casual hobbiest). From what I understood, this was all with a "stock" PET, except for perhaps the extra modems.
It had a really strog users community at the time, and some really interesting experiemnts took place on that platform that in some ways seem to have been forgotten.
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If you want to see his comments on this, you can check it out on his website here.
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He did that for me too! I was so shocked I could hardly focus on the monitor for about an hour!
:-)
I honored him in my own special way by making a "Woz" folder in my e-mail client as well as a mail filter rule.. Just in case he ever sends me anything again.
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I don't know what you've got against Woz--you keep
harping on this point over and over.
How do you draw the defining line between
innovation and invention? Hell, the transistor
wasn't anything new--it did the same thing as the
vacuum tube, but in a solid substrate instead of
by boiling off electrons. Nothing inventive there.
Maybe more to the point, tell me who, if not Woz
and co., invented the personal computer.
There were the Amdahls, and the various 'do it
yourself' S-100 machines out there. None of them
were home computers, but rather hobbyists' toys.
It's like comparing a ham radio to an FM tuner.
In my mind, Woz is an inventor, and deserves the
award as much as anyone.
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Disney (I realize that the fact that his company is the best source for G rated softcore porn isn't his fault but still.)
Not his fault? The guy certainly had some say over the nymphs, fairies, etc. in Fantasia. I've always assumed that Walt was a dirty old man. :-)
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Here's that wozniac interview.
Bill Gates, that's who. That's an inventors' hall of fame, Bill. You can't get in there, 'cause you're an "innovator" remember? :-)
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Are you sure Woz be sayin' this, or do you be tryin' to pull one over on us?
Why wasn't Chuck Peddle nominated? He invented the 6502 microprocessor, and the Commodore PET, which, IMHO, was equally responsible for "[bringing] together all the elements of the modern personal computer."
The Commodore PET is oft-forgotten, and I hope that some of us remember it. It had a steel case, an internal cassette drive, and a 9" display. It even shipped with 8K of RAM, which was a lot in those days. Chuck Peddle was a god. He later invented the Motorola 68000, as I recall (I may be wrong. Corrections gratefully accepted).
I know, there is some argument whether the Apple II or the PET shipped first, but I vote for the PET. It was shown at a Radio Shack in January of 1977, a full 4 months before the Apple II was first shown at the West Coast Computer Faire.
Put Chuck Peddle in the inventors Hall of Fame! He certainly deserves to be there more than Walt Disney does, who, "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" aside, certainly has not contributed as much as an inventor (again, IMHO, and I am a huge animation fan).
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I happen to live in Akron. Maybe I'll use this as an excuse to visit the Inventors' Hall of Fame for the very first time. I've always wondered what it was like in there.
does slashdot have a big enough name for Woz to visit the geek complex and do a personal interview and the locals could stop by and pay respects to our god? (please please please please please!)
I am happy that he is being reconized as the one who started it all. He is truely the one who started it all.
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One Click Shopping is a better invention than the crummy ol' Apple ][.
He took an off the shelf microprocessor and put into a board, connected with other off-the-shelf hardware.
Note that at the time this happened, significant advances in computing had already been long made: computers existed with pipelines, caches, virtual memory, and so on. Microprocessors already existed at the time and so did DRAM chips. The technology in the Apple I and II computers paled compared to what had already been achieved.
It's true that Woz *created* the Apple II, and that it was a significant achievement. But to call it an invention is not accurate; an invention is something original, not merely putting together existing components in a way they are actually meant to be put together.
But then considering who instituted this ridiculous Hall of Fame, where is the surprise? If you could fart out the tune of ``Camp Town Races'' with your armpit, they would give you a patent on the technique.
...my guess is that it's because of Akron's history with rubber. Akron is, or at least was, to rubber what Detroit is to automobiles. From what I understand, the local rubber research has expanded (as rubber will do) to include polymers in general.
I don't know the whole story, though, which is a darn shame because I live less than a mile away, on the same street as the Hall...
And I suppose the computer you wrote that post on uses toggle switches for input, and stdout is a row of LED's for displaying binary numbers...
Are you trying to insinuate that what makes the Apple II an invention, but the Altair not an invention, is that Wozniak invented the computer keyboard and video display?
Only on Slashdot do you find everyone going on about The Woz, and some lone soul asking, "What about Jobs?" :-)
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A Woz interview would be an excellent thing... good suggestion.
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Didn't he sign some of the Apple IIGS series?
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Oh, "inducted", not "indicted".... never mind.
That sounds exactly right. Now I go buy one. /.er.
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I thought "Hall of Fames" were only tributes for dead people.
Sure your Linus...
"The hall of fame was created in 1973 by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and the National Council of Intellectual Property" Attorneys"
Um. Three cheers for Steve, but surely we shouldn't condone "awards" by these guys - it's hardly credible seeming as its not peer reviewed. (Not to take any due reward from Steve - but I don't agree with championing an award given by the very people who STUNT technological development.)
I'm terribly sorry, but I don't remember saying that the Altair was not an invention.
Oh, wait... now that I read my comment again, I see that I never said any such thing.
Try reading more carefully next time.
Woz was the first, or nearly the first, to design and sell a computer system that included a video controller and a keyboard.
Altair users had to hack their own drivers, because the Altair was just a motherboard in a box (and that was only after you assembled it). Standard input was a row of on/off toggles, and standard output was a row of LED's. It was a ground-breaking invention, and if Ed Roberts is not also in the "Hall of Fame", then something is very wrong... but that does not take away from the fact that the Apple II allowed math geeks and software geeks and an endless army of other technophiles to get their hands on their very own computers, something that only hard-core hardware tweakers could do before.
In hindsight, selling a complete computer system instead of a motherboard kit may seem obvious to us, and it may only have been a matter of time before somebody figured it out, but Woz and Jobs actually did it.
What is more, Woz designed a great motherboard, possibly the best ever to be designed by a single person (instead of a team of engineers). He also came up with a great video architecture, which made his computer affordable.
If you really think all he did was stick a keyboard and monitor on an Altair and sell it under a new brand, you clearly have no clue about the history of the Altair, Apple, or personal computers in general. Get thee to the library!
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Late Jay Miner should have had one of these thingies too, or maybe David Haynie.
At least they made a computer that was close to revolutionary... Not a freakin colorless mac...
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The Inventors Hall of Fame can have living people in it, too, although it's been playing catchup because it only started in 1973, so most of the members are dead. Woz and Helen Free are the only two living members of the Hall of Fame.
It's nice to know that the Woz is going to be formally immortalized in this way, although I'm sure he would live on forever in any case.
Although he has been eclipsed by the iSteve in the public eye, Woz remains the true unsung hero behind the personal computing revolution.
Congratulations Steve!
Yes, lets all hail Linus for inventing Unix 25+ years ago when he worked at Bell Labs!
And without RMS, the original Univacs and the projected 6 IBM's built to serve the worlds computing needs.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
Does anyone know if this Hall of Fame is only for US inventors? Or for inventors who patented their inventions in the US Patents office? If this is the case, they should put Bezos in there for their incredible(sic) 1-Click buying patent. jajaja
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I do have to say, of all the people in the computer industry Steve Wozniak it probably one of the coolest, not just in the geek sphere, but as a good person. After all his success with Apple he has ended up back teaching youngsters about his passion of computers. I remember seeing him in an interview talking about how he was sharing part of his profits from Apple with employees that had gotten the short end of the stick.
It's nice to see him getting some recognition. Linus (#2 on my list of cool geeks) has a popular OS named after him and thousands of devoted followers, nice to see some coming to Woz too.
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If everyone was like Woz, the world would be a better place.
I guess I'm just rambling here, but isn't it better to honor people while they're still living? I think that we should lavish honor on people while they're still alive, instead waiting for them to die and then holding elaborate ceremonies.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, and of course there was a delay while these peoples' inventions became commonplace in the marketplace, but how much more "honorable" would it have been to have inducted these people into the hall of fame while they were still alive to appreciate it.
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'nuff said, I dare say.
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I never had a 100, but I used to have a Model 200 with an external floppy drive. Cool machine, but I didn't have it for long..._______
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I would have to say that the Woz is definately one cool guy. He has led, to say the least, a colorful life. It would be interesting to sit over a few beers with him and talk about his experiences.
Eh...
>Take RMS for example--love the philosophy, but I'd hate to have a drink with the man. He'd intimidate the hello out of me, correct my use of the term "open source", and not be much fun.
Richard is much more affable in person than you would expect.
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Seymour Cray is there, and so is William Burroughs! No, not *that* William Burroughs. (-;
The two Burroughs are related -- tha inventor is the great-grandfather (or is it grandfather?) of the writer.
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Interesting to see Marconi inducted the same year as Tesla :)
Yowza, that must have been an awkwards award ceremony.
Though it they both did a dueling duet for accepting the award for inventing the radio it would have been cute.
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You are a language teacher, aren't you? There's much more diversity between inventing car radios and jet planes than between writing poetry and giving rousing speeches. Poetry and speeches are both wordplay, while radios are electronic and jet planes are mechanical.
... I still think Woz kicks serious ass. Like people before me have said, if everyone was like Woz, the world would be a better place. Long Live Woz!
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Sure, he is not Woz, but I am sure his schedule is even busier.
Helen Free and Wozniak are the only two living honorees.
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The guy was an INNOVATOR. *NOT* an inventor. If we were to say he was an inventor, that's like saying Bill Gates invented the OS!
I eat the flesh off the living, and I vote!
It's amazing how rich a guy can get just by sending a ball (accurately) through a loop of wire. Does inventing make you richer than that?
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Dumb that the yahoo article doesn't have a link. Here it is: http://www.invent.org/index.html Seymour Cray is there, and so is William Burroughs! No, not *that* William Burroughs. (-; Weird that they don't have Eckert or Mockley there. Also the don't have John Von Neuman. In the case of Von Neuman, this no doubt because the invention must be covered by a US patent (as per explaination on web page). This makes sense for Neuman (imagine if he had patented shared memory architectures) but what not with regard to Eckert and Mockley. At least I *think* they had some patent for the Enaic...
What about some other badasses? Like Seymore(sp?) Cray. Or Kernigan and Ritche? Much better than Disney (I realize that the fact that his company is the best source for G rated softcore porn isn't his fault but still.)
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The National Inventors Hall of Fame was established in 1973 by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and the National Council of
Intellectual Property Law Associations.
This is a US hall of fame. I don't think that they make claims that this is all inclusive. Hmmm, what does National mean?
So, we are just dying to know...
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Woz has been one of my heros ever since I got hooked on the Apple back when the Apple II was new. I checked out his web page and saw a link to another one of my heros from that era. John Draper, aka Captain Crunch, worked with Woz off and on. John designed the first modem for the apple. He had to redo it because Woz thought there might be some legal problems with the blue box built into it. Woz hosts Capn' Crunch's web site here . The thing I think is really cool is another hero of mine is John's roommate, Richard Cheshire, aka Cheshire Catalyst, one of the early phone phreaks and editor of TAP magazine. Chesh. has his web page here .
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A colorless NON-multitasking Mac at that. Jay Miner invented true Multi-Tasking. Woz didn't "invent" anything, he took others ideas and merged them into his own. A lot like Bill Gates did with Windows.
I eat the flesh off the living, and I vote!
Also interesting to see that Edwin Land and George Eastman were inducted in the same year (given the corporate wrestling matches that Polariod and Kodak have had over the years).
That's like saying introducing a Pentium to a world of 386s is more revolutionary than the introduction of the first computer. No, nothing Apple is doing right now is revolutionary. Their products are damn powerful, but when we say revolutionary we're talking about the /first/ personal computer that your average joe could buy, lug home, plug in, read the manual for about five minutes and do something meaningful with. This is what spurred the revolution.
Reasons why Woz deserves distinction more than Jobs when both worked on the original Apples would be redundant, see the other posts on this article.
Ever get the impression that your life would make a good sitcom?
Ever follow this to its logical conclusion: that your life is a sitcom?
"I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
Nobel Prizes can't be awarded posthumously, otherwise four ppl's names would've been on the one Crick and Watson got for DNA structure instead of three.
So much for the policy of honoring ppl while they're still alive.
Ever get the impression that your life would make a good sitcom?
Ever follow this to its logical conclusion: that your life is a sitcom?
"I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
Just 3 weeks ago, I bought an Apple //c, complete with original manuals, ImageWriter printer, mouse and monitor. All for 25$ CDN!
It's right here at the office next to me. This thing has attracted more people than anything in recent months. I brought back some old floppies I had in a box somewhere at home. They work just fine. The system boots in 6 seconds flat! Try that today.
In 5 lines of code (including a comment), I wrote a BASIC program that prints the floppy's content to the printer:
10 REM COPYLEFT 2000 MARTIN-GILLES LAVOIE!
20 PRINT CHR$(4) "PR#1"
30 PRINT CHR$(4) "CATALOG"
40 PRINT CHR$(4) "PR#3"
50 PRINT CHR$(4) "RUN HELLO"
When invoked from the launcher application called "HELLO" (common to DOS 3.3 in those days), it prints the content of the floppy and returns. In about 4 seconds.
The project I'm working on as a wee bit more than 2 million lines of code. I miss simplicity.
I agree.
Saint Woz sounds appropriate to me.
Does anyone have one of the Macs he signed in the late 80s?
I need one of those.
Dirt doesn't need luck.
...He invented the internet, and spell check, and one-click shopping, the computer, and electricity, umm...the sandwich...am I forgetting anything? Oh, yeah, the moose.
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"I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
Woz is a great guy, and truly a credit to all of geekdom. And the apple 2 was a great machine -- truly the first mass market pre-assembled computer. All should visit woz.org now!
However, if we are going to credit the person who came up with the first personal computer I am afraid the prize should go to the inventor of the altair. Although it was a computer kit and wasn't very useful out of the box according to Bob Cringley (the book Accidental Empires and the PBS special triumph of the nerds) the altair pre-dated everything and truly was the first personal computer. Oh I forgot his name. You know the doctor from New mexico should get the prize!
FIRST POST!
"Hello, Dr. Falken
Would you like to play a game?"
It needs higher level access. THE WOZ RULES!
That sounds like a Red Hat versus Slackware debate. They're just script kiddies.
This is a national hall of fame. National? I guess this means that it only pertains to one Nation. Nobel is an obvious exception. Why? I have no idea except that making things that blow things up has to be included.
Look at one of the sponsors. USPTO. Dah, Dah, Dah,, dum de dumb, dum de dumb (I'm humming the Darth Vader theme song from Star Wars).
Okay, software folks are left off, but consider this. Most ppl here seem to think that hardware patents are okay, but object to software patents. So if software should be considered into inclusion then this sort of implies that software patents are okay. Hmmm, the inductees are also identified by their patents.
Great! One day one click may be inducted. Sorry folks, but I'm going to bed.
dean :-P
ZX-80 Frisbee Rules
Gates personally wrote most (all?) the code in the TRS-80 Model 100, which is definitely one of the coolest portable computers of all time. I have a Model 100 waiting for me to buy it back from a friend I sold it to. It's a really, really cool machine.
I have indeed heard that Apple Computers' bitten apple logo was a tribute to Alan Turing. Is this true ?
Prior to the days of the Apple II, you had to build the damn things yourself, so computers were really only a hobbyist toy until the Apple II.
Pop the hood on one of those things, and you will see plenty of innovations. It was a beautifully simple and efficient motherboard design.
There was a reason why the Apple II sold as fast as they could make them; it was a good product that people wanted.
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The worst thing about the situation is that Turing couldn't reveal anything about his war-time accomplishments. It was all still declaired secret.
During his trial he couldn't say "Look I'm a national hero, I helped crack German codes." At Virginia Tech I met a fellow who worked with him (and for the life of me can't remember his name, nice English fellow) and he felt that it was terrible that this couldn't be entered during the trials Turing went through. Things like that suck.
"Drug related crime" is a misnomer, "prohibition related crime" is the more accurate and correct phrase.
Because even though we're moderators, there's not an infinited amount of us while pressing Alt-R/Ctrl-R/F5 infinitely fast.
Not quite. They did sell blue boxes to their college buddies, mostly to show off thier phreaking skills for fun, but they got the money to start Apple Computer from a venture capitalist.
(BTW: If you missed Cringly's "Triumph of the Nerds" special on PBS, go rent it. The interview with Woz contains a very funny story about using a blue box to call the Pope.)
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
And I suppose the computer you wrote that post on uses toggle switches for input, and stdout is a row of LED's for displaying binary numbers...
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Most of us will never be able to put on our job resume "created the first home computer", but there are lessons we can learn from Steve Wozniak.
I think one of the things he has done in recent years that sets the best example for the rest of us is to pass on the knowledge. It's easy to get frustrated at inexperienced computer users, but I have a hard time imagining Woz looking someone in the eye and saying "RTFM". There really isn't much excuse for us to either. If Linux is going to continue it's growth, we have to lighten up a bit.
I see more gifted people involved with Linux than anywhere else presently, but I also see the most abrasive. Slashdot forums are the electronic equivalent of a "tough classroom". There are good questions, usually good answers, and then there are hecklers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not condeming everyone who has a sense of humor. Write all you want about N*talie P*rtman, Gr*ts, and hyku. But when I see people ask a legitimate question and the response is flame from an AC, that sucks.
It's not what Woz would do.
Well, I for one, quote him....
#include "disclaim.h"
"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." - Steve Wozniak
#include "disclaim.h"
"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." - Steve Wozniak
Sure, these days he is a multi-millionaire CEO-of-two-companies-at-once, but he started out as a software hacker.
People forget that he was once pressured into bringing in a "real" CEO to take over the company, because of his lack of executive experience. He was later booted off the Apple board by the same CEO he appointed and ran off to form NeXT (a geek haven if ever there was one).
While the Woz rightly gets credit for doing most of the design work on all the early Appples, Jobs wrote quite a bit of the software, and the Macintosh was entirely his baby.
But enough about Jobs... Way to go Woz!!!!!!!!
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
In the book Infinite Loop they talk about Woz hearing the music of computation. That it was playing in his head and he only hoped he could put it down on paper some day. The people I know who read that book just skilled over that section but I read it over and over..
How we know is more important than what we know.
Alan Turing did not kill himself simply "because he was gay". he was never ashamed of his homosexuality. he kiled himself for several reasons. after his security clearance in the U.S. was revoked because homosexuals were considered 'security threats' and he was arrested for having a relationship with another male, he was then forced to undergo humilliating "treatment" for his homosexuality which included hormone injections to reduce his libido. in addition to that the hormone injections that he was forced to take(under threat of arrest and imprisonment) made him loose control of his weight and physical fitness. he died on june 8, 1954 after eating an apple soaked in cyanide.
- "Hear that?! The percolations are imminent! Cease your ingress!"
Woz is a great guy and all that, but is he really a 'great inventor'??
I (and surely a number of you) was around and in the personal computer scene back then, and the Apple I and II designs were NOT that dramatic or better than any other designs. My Z-80 based big-board computer is also a nice integrated design. The TRS-80 was a cool hack (who would have thought of a keyboard interface consisting of address and data lines crossed in a grid except Tandy's people???) The Sinclair computer is a marvel in minimalist design (only a handful of chips in the entire design).
The Apple, and Apple Computer, mushroomed to success for reasons entirely separate from the design of their hardware. Mainly, the commercial success of the Apple II was due to the availability of Visicalc, the first spreadsheet, exclusively on the Apple machine for about a year- businessmen would go into a computer shop wanting to purchase 'A Visicalc'- the fact that the shop owner sold them an 'Apple' was incidental. And though it's now a 'legend', the Apple I wasn't even really a successful product (less than several hundred even sold).
Why is the Woz singled out for an award like this? There are countless others who we could come up with more deserving of the honor, people who actually invented stuff key to the development of the computer, like the inventor of the disk drive, or core memory, etc.
I've just never been that impressed with Apple and the 'great products' they started the company with.
Check the Ask Slashdot archives, he did an interview a few months ago.
I don't know about the pinball machine but if IIRC, Woz was held the highest score in Gameboy Tetris as listed in several issues of Nintendo Power. When the magazine asked him to stop submitting his scores (it was unfair, no one could come close to beating his score)he continued to submit scores under an alias.
I wouldn't describe Turing as the Father of Computer Science. Maybe Artificial Intelligence. Charles Babbage's 'Thinking Machine' in the dying years of the nineteenth century would earn him the title of Father of Computers (if not CompSci).
Open Source. Closed Minds. We are Slashdot.
They forgot to include Microsoft....well, actually Bill Gates, because he does most of the coding himself anyways, for all the great "innovations" he put into Windows.
Another one not on the list, is Anonymous Coward, for such insightful things as "MOD THIS UP!" and "grits grit portman grits".
How was the Woz an innovator?
He was a TTL hacker, nobody will deny that.
But there were countless other innovative designs back then. His just happened to become a commercial success (the second time around, the Apple I didn't sell very well).
Don Lancaster's 'Cheap Video Cookbook' contains hardware hacks (i.e. the 'Upstream tap' design to get high speed video from low-end slow microprocessors) that's far cooler than anything the Woz thought up. Don these days is basically an eBay spammer on a number of electronics equipment newsgroups (he gets flamed regularly for his 'for auction' items listed on sci.electronics.equipment), so I guess his name doesn't look as prestigous on a plaque, but he's a far more innovative hacker/inventor than the Woz.
Will the big bucks from Apple follow in the wake of this 'award' or what??
I got personally flamed by Marvin Minsky once (he delurked on Usenet just to flame me!).
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Here's to the crazy one... the misfit... the rebel... the troublemaker.
The round peg in the square hole.
The one who saw things differently. He isn't fond of rules, and has no respect for the status quo.
You can quote him, disagree with him, glorify, or villify him. About the only thing you can't do, is ignore him, because he changed things. He pushed the human race forward.
And while some may see him as the crazy one, we see genius. Because the person who is crazy enough to think he can change the world is the one who does.
Think Different. Woz.
There definitely should have been a shot of Woz in that commercial... he was one of the people that brought about this revolution. Congrats.
You should never take life too seriously - You'll never get out of it alive.
Kind of wished that the yahoo link would tell the inventor's hall of fame is located.
Cool to see Wozniak inducted though. Very worthy.
Slashdot is populated by quite a few jackasses.
I tell ya, the guy has some wonderful company in his induction class. It just makes me respect him that much more.
Something that really got me about him was last year when that Pirates of Silicon Valley show was on (or whatever it was called), I sent him an email asking some off the wall question about the Apple I. I figured he would answer it in his FAQ thingy, or one of his assistants would answer it. But no.
To my surprise, within a few hours Woz himself emailed me with a personal answer. That just blew me away. I mean, here is a guy who has a lot better things to do with his time than answer the email of some stupid guy in Missouri, and he spent the five minutes or so to type in a reply. That was cool.
The only other person who has done that was Stephen Fry (of Fry and Laurie).
Some people are just really cool.
Among his comments, he actually said, "look, I'm no computer expert..."
Considering his boasts about bringing about the Internet, something tells be that his campaign won't be putting that on any bumper stickers.
(For the record, Bush is no guru either. We are a long way off from ever seeing a geek President.)
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
I love that guy, and I've never met him personally. He's just so incredibly likable and nice in everything he's ever said in public. Plus, despite the fact that Apple moved away from openness pretty quickly, I'm sure it wasn't Woz's idea. He originally wanted to give all the specs away for free. He was an open-source hardware guru saddled with Steve "Reality Distortion Field" Jobs. Not that that's bad, because if Woz hadn't had Jobs by his side to handle the business end, Apple wouldn't exist today. Unfortunately, businesses need the suits to make money...
But anway, it couldn't have gone to a nicer person. Take RMS for example--love the philosophy, but I'd hate to have a drink with the man. He'd intimidate the hello out of me, correct my use of the term "open source", and not be much fun. But Woz, you just get the feeling, would be a great guy to socialize with and not be intimidating despite his legendary status.
Oops, I'm blubbering. Time to go before I embarass myself and offer him a blow job or something... [kidding...]
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."--Tacitus, *The Annals*
Its great to see Woz honored, but is this only about hardware? Where are the software honorees?
he typed in the string: "http://slashdot.org" and hit enter. osm's life changed forever.
What was interest about this (to me at least) was just how _long_ ago most of the inductees had done their work. The Yahoo article mentioned that Helen Free and Woz were the only two living awardees out of seven. Most of the work was done in the 1940s...
;-)
Also, when flipping through a few of the list of previous awardees, you begin to sense just how ancient the patent office seems. Almost all were for some type of gadget.
Will we see Jeff Bezos and Amazon inducted into the hall in 2060 for patents which changed the way the web worked?
Bob
Science, like Nature, must also be tamed, with a view turned towards its preservation.
To hell with Jim Clark, Marc Andreeson, McNealy and Pierre OmiDyar. Woz was and is the root of the biggest technology revolution since the industrial age.
And he's maintained the same friendly, geeky, let's talk-shop attitude the whole way. Go take a look at http://woz.org/ and tell me if you think Bill or Steve or any of the other big 'revolutionaries' would take such appreciation of their fans and users as The Woz.
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What is really sad is that very few people knew then that he did more than any other man to defeat the Nazis because of war secrecy rules.
The cake is a pie
In case you don't know it already, it's http://www.woz.org/
Another case of the slashdot didn't read the article sydrome?
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10 home
20 print "WOZ VIRUS APPLE][ VERSION"
30 print chr$(4) + "BRUN WOZ"
40 print chr$(7)
50 run
Wouldn't Babbage be the practical grandfather of computing? With Goedel as the other grandfather.
http://www.invent.org/ would be where to get more information on Inventure Place, which is the National Inventor's Hall of Fame and Museum. It's a lovely looking building, in Downtown Akron. Also, it's very easy to get to, since Akron is just south of the Ohio Turnpike, easy access from New York and Chicago.
I'll be there to see the exhibits.
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Human nature is the same everywhere; the modes only are different. -- Earl of Chesterfield
A while ago I asked him about the DVD flap. He said the following:
"I truly hope that copyrights be weakened and that we be able to copy freely if not for gain. I've felt this way ever since I had a tape recorder in high school. All this time, every court case has backed the copyright holders, regardless of the media. So some much higher level thinking than the current lawsuits might be needed to have any impact. It's especially complicated by the fact that most of the civilized world treats such things the same way, and we have trade agreements.
In the case of DVD's I have mixed feelings. I sort of feel that 'we' made an agreement, a contract, with the entertainment industry to accept an encryption scheme in order to have movies released in this form. We truly won. Perhaps we have to pay for it. I'll keep my word even if I think that the deal is not fair or right."
Full Text at:http://www.scc.net/~ytrah/woz.html
The Inventor's Hall of Fame.
Doesn't Jobs deserve just as much credit as Woz? The two developed the Apple I and II together, and Jobs is still in the business -- pushing even more revolutionary products out the door. Food for thought...
Ah, yes... fond memories - an 11 year old geekd typing BASIC commands into an apple II (or was it a II+ ?) in 1981...
:-)
I had a TRS-80 model III at home. It had screen res of a total of 1024 pixels. I don't know what the horz x vert res was, but there was 1024 pixels total on the screen, and all white or black.
Then my grade school got a bunch of Apple IIs. color! Hi-res! same BASIC! whoo hoo!
I already knew BASIC, so all during my BASIC programming classes I just made pretty screen-saver type things. I thought I was hot shit, for an 11 year old. I remember trying to write an OS. In BASIC. That got nipped in the bud pretty quick.
I owe alot to the Woz. My current job, for example. If it wasn't for Apple and the TRS-80, I'd be working at a record store, or somthing, making $6.00 an hour instead of (much) > $6.00
Thanks Woz!
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You mean they didn't honor Al Gore for inventing the internet?
Amazon.com, for their amazing One Click innovation!!
Hail Steve Wozniak
Father of the home PC
Resourceful and wise
he died on june 8, 1954 after eating an apple soaked in cyanide.
Which was frankly a disgraceful way to treat someone who had more to do with defeating the Nazis than any other single person.
And then some AC dipshits come along with dipshit comments about it. Pshaw, I spit on them, they weren't fit to lick his boots.
What about Jay Miner, Father Of The Amiga?
Nikola Tesla
Orville Wright
Wilbur Wright
Samuel F. B. Morse
William D. Coolidge
Interesting to see Marconi inducted the same year as Tesla :)
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The Inventor's Hall of Fame can be found here.
From the page: Inventors selected for induction are honored annually at a ceremony held in Akron, Ohio.
Is Woz going to be there?
Alan Turing is not in the Inventors Hall of Fame, and yes, the Hall of Fame houses international inventors of repute--not just Americans. The web page is at http://www.invent.org. The front page has a link that allows you to nominate people. Why don't you go nominate Alan Turing? :)
The entire list of inventors at Inventure Place is at http://www.invent.org/book/bo ok-text/indexbyname.html. If you ever happen to pass through Akron, Ohio, I suggest you stop in there. It's got a load of cool hands-on exhibits, mainly aimed at kids but still fun for geeks.