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IBM Releases SashXB
IBM has released SashXB
for the Open Source community. SashXB is Weblication Development Environment (a.k.a. the WDE), so you can use it to write "weblications". From the screenshots it looks pretty impressive, and there is a Lotus Notes Client included written with this tool. The license ig LGPL.
Maybe you have to have had Bad Things happen to Linux in production environments too often, but is "sash" a bad name for a Linux tool? The only time I use sash is when Deep Doodoo Has Occurred. =/
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Is this a environment to develop applications based on web technologies or to develop web application from other technologies? Also, in what way is it bound to gnome? Which gnome techologies are used in this soft? It's good to see IBM releasing lots of things for Linux. If only they were against software patents in Europe.... ;-)
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The Sash project demonstrates a new class of application (we call them weblications) that go beyond the browser and showcases the integration of web content and the desktop.
Yea, active desktop for Linux. No thanks, if my desktop were only as stable as my browser I wouldn't be able to keep Katie Holmes on the background.
Gee, this sounds cool, especially the Lotus Notes client! However, isn't there something important missing here? Such as a download link, where we can download all at once. Or are we supposed to get all files one-by-one from their CVS Web page?
I'm not an hard core developer myself but when "weblications" are concerned: don't we got Zope to handle these things allready? One of its main advantages is at least the fact that its totally independent because it uses a browser for its primary interface.
They have now ported this, the domino server and the notes client.
Now if they would just port over SmartSuite then we would have an office suite as good as microsoft that corportate management already know and use.
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While I am extremely happy at the release of a Notes client for Linux, and one that may evidently be customised and adapted I see IBM front-loading their efforts.
I would like to see more thought put into the work during and after the release.
For Example:- The downloadable Linux Domino Server does not provide instructions as to what commands to run to execute the server setup in the readme.
I have no problem reading and following documentation and I do not think that anyone would complain of bloating if they put the relevant text files with the download.
My point in short is that they would get much better market penetration if they set their documentation sites at the competant rather than expert.
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This might not be a direct problem for SashXB since it is under the LGPL but it might be a problem for pure GPL programs in GNOME that want to use parts of the libraries that it depends on.
Should GNOME really include parts that are not GPL compatible?
Is there a "SashXB for Dummies" or something somewhere? Do you really have to use bloody JavaScript for these applications? That would be a nightmare, come on, I want a decent language ...
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In a tech world where "Open Source" is the latest catch phrase, I know that I for one am glad to see IBM actually treating open source as it was meant to be treated. IBM has given Linux and Open Source much more credibility in the eyes of coporate IT than us geeks ever could. Kudos to IBM for a job well done. I think many other companies should take a lesson from this.
I have not seen the source but when did that stop a slashdot post (-;
NOTES FOR LINUX !!
can you say "yeah baby"
NOTES is one of the programs that large companys insist that you have on a platform before they even think about puting it as a client/end user solution
Linux now has it !!!
yeah rock on IBM
I thought tho that they where going to be java client
if the client is open source then things like Kmail/Kwhatever and Evolution can connect to the domino world
this is a good thing people !
I do however have, how shall I say, bad experance with javascript
hope it turns out ok
(BTW where is the source to the notes client as I cant see it anywhere !)
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
In reality IBM could not care less about OSS. Since they are a hardware company and if something helps sell more servers they they are all for it.
I think it was a demo notes mail client, not the full fledged notes client.
I've don'e some notes application development with lotus script and there is a lot there. Notes is not a simple port.
I don't think Notes 5 is available for anything but windows (4.6 was available mac,win, AIX).
The fact that there was an AIX version may bring hope that they can get a linux one, although notes seems to be turning into domino (server) with a web browser front end.
Disclaimer, Its been about a year since I used Notes, its been off my radar.
The terms "Druid" and "Weblication" both make me a little ill. Even MS spells out "Web Application" in reference to Visual InterDev.
Moderators, moderate all this Notes client stuff down, please!
Next IBM should be a PHP and Perl debugger in this thing and make it really super fantastic. The only editor that makes any sense for PHP development lately is nedit (syntax highlighting) or vi (but "Terminal too wide!" drives me crazy on Solaris). Will IBM be nice and add debugging for the two most widely used server side scripting languages? :)
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There isn't even a Unix Notes client anymore. Hasn't been one since 4.5. There is no Notes client other than W32. Even the server admin console is on W32 regardless of server platform so if you have a Unix cluster hosting Notes you can no longer run the console off, say the control workstation. There have been lots of complaints about a Linux client or any *nix client but that's just the way it is. Lotus/Iris decides these things based on how much money, time, people they have to spend on development. Understand that the reference platform for Notes continues to be NT/2000. Everything else comes from that. "Special" server ports like some flavors of Unix and Linux and S/390 are not handled by Lotus at all but the party line is held by all, and all client direction is centrally controlled. Your better off just running VMWare compared to waiting for the mystical mythical Linux Notes client to arrive - because the king is dead, the ship already sailed to Avalon and it isn't coming back.
I really see the application/applet/web site merging into this Webplication thing. I am a Java developer and I write middleware CORBA infrastructure for our app developers. Every time a new application comes a long a standalone application is written, then perhaps an applet, and then maybe a web page backended by JSP or Servlets. If you think about it, the piece in the middle tier is really doing the *exact* same functionality for each of these pieces. Each of these pieces is just a presentation layer. I'm had thoughts in my head about how these things could merge. I have a set of classes that enable a standalone application to seamlessly double as an applet (it detects its environment and reacts accordingly) making life much easier for the developer. But that doesn't really supply the web page aspect of it. What one could do is use some of the GUI/HTML mappings to use pseudo-widgets in the middle-tier code to make it easy to map a GUI to HTML. But that just presents more work. What really needs to be done, and I see it happening now, is that the *client* must have a _standard presentation layer_ for all applications, distributed or not. I think Mozilla, and SlashXB are the signs of this. Now, I don't have to think about writing standalone applications, or applets, or a web page. Using a unified presentation layer, the same middle-tier logic object can feed all these clients no matter where they are, with *identical* user interfaces. Needless to say, this is cool.
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a lot of poster's here wanting a notes client too! I have the domino server on a linux box, but am still lacking the 'client' the 'designer' and the 'administrator,' which is just plain annoying, Iris. But an IBM project may have a 3rd party solution for me (IBM didn't buy Lotus or something, right?). Anyway, hoody-hoo!
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IBM actually makes more money selling software than any company in the world. (Through stock option tricks, M$ loses money selling software, and makes bucketloads selling stock) IBM simply doesn't want to waste it's time on $60/copy client software and client operating systems. The real money is in the mega-buck server software. Think about it, what would you rather support:
A) One zillion badly-built, non-standard PC'S, with similarly badly configured OS's? (at $60/copy) OR
B) Ten thousand badly-built, badly-configured, servers at many kilo-bucks per copy, per year.
And oh yes, services to maintain and run all those servers. If bits run through it, IBM wants to sell it to you.
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I'm digging through Gnome, here and here and I haven't seen word 1 about Lotus Notes. Where's the real link? Or did you just make this up?
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Fer Gawd's Sake, do we really need to coin a word as stupid as "weblication"? If I put my resume on a job site, have I "weblied" for a job? Cripes, this market-ooze makes me want to puke.
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Oops, I spoke too soon: the bug is fixed in the 20000821 release... well sortof. Doubleclicking on the attachment no longer works, however rightclicking on the attachment pops up a menu complete with View/Detach/Launch. Both View and Detach work now!
The following link has a document stating that they managed to create a not es client in about an hour.
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