I think this is what I was explaining to the poster. Open Source != Free. I think it also means even if he is using the software internally he should buy a copy from mySQL/Hans. Maybe I didn't make that point clear.
Again: if you use it internally, you don't have to buy license.
We tried to ship a product (not a derived product, just a linked product) with mySql.
See? You shipped it. You didn't use it internally, you gave copies to third parties. In this situation, you can buy non-gpl licensed rights to it, or GPL-license your product. Linking counts as a derivative under GPL.
The point is, that your compiler, written in whatever language you prefer, must emit assembler or machine code (gcc emits assembler, cl.exe machine code). So you must know assembler or your target pcode anyways.
Hello, I'm the original anonymous coward. FYI, I run both OSX and Linux on my machines, WXP at work and I plan to purchase Apple machine again (well, I'm waiting to see what is going to happen at Superbowl). However, I try to be objective and OSX, while it is very nice, is not cure to everything. At the Linux side, I'm running Fedora Core 1. When comparing, I'm trying to compare current to current, not current to old.
So, back to our topic:
- Junk email: You are right, Mail.app has it since Jaguar, Mozilla since June 2003. Before that, one had to use external utilies - not very user friendly. But today, they are even.
- Expose/VD: I'm not very confident in application that seems abandoned. Last time I tried that, it wasn't very stable. It wasn't playing with applications so nice like Linux virtual desktops. There was always some glitch.
- Consistency and descriptive labels: Descriptive labels are required by Gnome HIG since 2.0. Yes, there are programs that look out of place - I personally hate libXaw programs. But they are legacy - just like Classic and 68k is legacy on Mac. And there will be always programs, that look out of place everywhere they are running - that's the tax for their multi-platformness (e.g. mentioned Corel KPT and Bryce, NewTek Lightwave, Apple(!) Shake, from opensource it is Blender, OpenOffice or Mozilla).
- library compatibility: just few weeks ago I was cursing at Apple, why they ship old libxml with Panther. I either had to get year old libxslt, or replace Apple shipped libxml. Linux and OSX are 1:1 in this regard.
- Quite a lot programs that need installation put stuff in/Library/Application Support in addition to/Library/Frameworks. Just out of head: NAV and Stuff-It.
I don't know statistics about 'has to be installed' vs 'can be dragged' and I'm not going to argue about percents. They are not important. Important is, that user cannot be sure that dragging is enough.
- iPhoto: I've heard that v4 is fast, but very few people have it already. It is not free update anymore. I'll see what comes with new machine.
- Working out of the box: Linux works well for me for quite a lot reasons, but this one is very important: It is localized to my native language. OSX isn't. That way, my entire family can use Linux machine. On the other hand, missing localisation was THE reason why I was unable to sell my soon-to-be-replaced mac.
But for english-only speaking person OSX desktop is nice indeed.
- media files: Media files found on net like wma/wwmv, real and divx/xvid too. Ability to display external subtitles. Full-screen playback without $30. In Quicktime there are just movie trailers. Media player that doesn't nag would be nice (Yes, I know how to change time, click not now button and change time back. But why should I do that? Isn't point of OSX to be tinker-free?)
- I blame Apple partially. My reason to mention this was: we were discussing OSX desktop, not OSX as shipped by Apple. See also grandparent. The reason partial blaming Apple is: every Carbon application seems to have problems, not just Office. Adobe applications are notorious with problems. Illustrator CE (Central European) doesn't run with English script. When switching system to Roman script, Wise installers don't work. Again, this means tinkering for user. I don't want to watch what application I'm going to run and switch scripts.
To your problem with resume: it happens with original MS Office too. I was told that it is caused by different printer drivers installed at different machines and that MS Office lays out pages based on metrics from printer.
But scrambled characters are bigger problem for me than overflown text. I have to use special (non-unicode) fonts just to write text in my language!
This just points out that users have different needs and priorities. There is no os that is 'best'. There is just os that someone is most comfortable with. That os different for different persons. Hey, even WXP is nice for some - and that is their choice.
I am planning on trying a Debian install once I figure out a way to install it without floppies
You have two choices:
Install from CD - you will boot from CD (you know, the 'c' key after chime). You need bootable CD, of course.
Install from network (how I did it). Go to Open Firmware prompt (cmd-option-o-f after chime), type "boot enet:0". It will use bootp or dhcp and tftp to load kernel image over network. It also helps to have NFS mountable root prepared somewhere.
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You are missing the point: sure, it is possible to obtain pirated music, but... who cares? You can have good sounding, free and legaly obtained music, so why pirate non-free music? It is similar to OS - you can pirate W2K Advanded Server and use it for your personal web site, or you can download/cheaply buy GNU/Linux and use it too.
I hope you don't read slashdot in nested mode. I did this mistake with MSIE Mac Edition once and ended up waiting 4 minutes to render all nested tables on 450MHz machine! Not to mention that MSIE and Entourage are able to freeze whole machine at random moments.
So now my prefered browser on Mac is Mozilla. It takes more memory than MSIE, but it is much faster and more reliable. If I didn't know anything about Mozilla, I would be using Netscape 4.7x.
That's the short-term fix. In the long-term, 5 to 10 years, you will find that Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers will team up to create an audio standard which requires you to know a secret key to put data to your computer's speakers. If you don't apply to Microsoft for a special license, your program will be unable to make noise -- without going through Microsoft's API, of course, which will make only noises guaranteed not to infringe copyright, like boops, beeps, or files stored in whatever format Microsoft makes it easy to use.
Something similar is happening already. If you want to write application that reads/writes ASF files, you have to apply for a key. Check your DirectMedia/DirectX documentation.
I don't get this. Why is posting Micro$oft's bastardized Kerberos spec a fair use, while posting $cientology's ridiculous crap about Xenu a copyright violation?
In Microsoft case, it was posted
How to obtain specs from Microsoft's site and extract them without agreeing to EULA
Excerpts from specs
In Scientology case, whole crap was posted. (They are smart, they divided their bullshit into small chunks and claim copyrights on each individually. MS had better split their specs into multiple downloads with one paragraph each).
Of course, now with DMCA, Disney don't need to extend copyright. There will be no way to legally extract Steamboat Willie from DVD or some-fancy-new-medium and all tapes, films etc. will be already unusable.
Think back to first year Calculus. Derivatives and integrals didn't make that much sense at first, did they? The more you use it, the more completely you understand it.
Exactly. But it is difficult to find someone bitching that integrals need to become easier, so the mainstream could use them...
So, you say that Mozilla is bloated, because Gecko draws line in one particular way and therefore Galeon will be faster? Sorry, I don't understand, care to elaborate? And how do you know how IE draws lines? Do you have access to source code?
If you ask me, the developers should just have called the shots as they saw them, and worked to produce a browser that works fast and well. Instead they have a bloated, but oh so 'Standards Compliant', pice of software.
Problem is that Mozilla is not browser. Mozilla is engine for building applications using XUL (think.net).
On Linux, Galeon is a far better choice, and takes the best part of Mozilla, Gecko, for want of anything better.
Unfortunately, Galeon works only for English-speaking users. If your language happens to use character set other than Latin-1, you are out of luck. Galeon also doesn't have other nice features, e.g. cookie/image/form manager (or right-click in Mozilla and Galeon - see?)
On Windows it has to compete with IE, which will always be faster thanks to its deviation from the W3C into the world of sense.
I'm writing this in Mozilla 0.8 on Windows (I'm in work). Why in Mozilla? Because I like it better than IE. It loads itself slower, but renders pages faster. It just feels better (for me).
On the Mac it will have similar problems.
On the Mac, it is already faster than MSIE - especially for Slashdot in nested mode... (In case you don't know, MSIE Macintosh Edition has problem with nested tables - it parses really slllooooowwwwwww).
the BeOS Unified NVIDIA Drivers support the Riva128 through GeForce2 GTS
Do you realize that BeOS Unified NV Driver is port of XFree driver?
Still, the TNT-1 is an aweful old chip to still see driver updates...
When introducing Riva series, they (NVidia) claimed that they designed hardware architecture that allowed them to be forward compatible, so you could use new drivers for old card and vice-versa without any problems.
Also, NVidia does not need to make updates for their older cards - they will certainly not make it forever. However, they should publish the specs for people, that are interested/able to self-support their own hardware. See for example GUS support in Linux (GUS = Gravis Ultrasound, sound card that was produced until 1994. It is good soundcard even for today's requirements and it is still supported in Linux. This is possible because Gravis published specifications). And it is certainly older than TNT:-). On the other hand, see HP and some of their scanners under W2K - totally unsupported within one year of release. Do you see, why I avoid binary-only drivers?
Aren't any problems in 3.3.x technically the problem of the XFree guys and their drivers?
The nv driver and glx module were written by NVidia staff. Don't forget, XFree guys don't know anything about Rivas. They don't have specs.
Yea, but you also have to remember that nowhere on the box did it say "Linux supported." You bought a card that dates back to before Linux was on CNN, and you shouldn't be surprised if it is not supported on Linux.
The card is not supported even under Windows, while it was on the box.
In the same time, NVidia promised support for Linux. And then began obfuscating sources. Today, we have no source.
Huh? The Radeon looks richer in 2D. That's fine. HOwever, the Radeon is barely supported in XFree 4.0, and its 3D performance is limp compared to NVIDIAs. I see the option this way. I could be an OSS bigot (and for some things, it makes sense to be one) and use a slower, less fully featured card, or I can use a card with the best 3D acceleration (if performance counts at all, how is Matrox even an option?), double the 2D speed, and nice, stable (for the most part) drivers.
This is not about OSS bigotism. It is about future support. No company can guarantee future support of their current products ("It is awfully old whatever. You better go buy new supported toy."). Open drivers can guarantee that. And until the product does what it is supposed to do, why buy new?
As a sidenote: abovementioned Riva128 is not in my primary machine. My primary machine uses ATI Mobility M3 and I'm satisfied with it's performance. So when time comes to upgrade that desktop machine (propably this autumn), it will be ATI.
That's funny, specifically when said in reference to NVIDIA. NVIDIA is still providing driver updates for the Riva128. The card is three years old. If you're stilling using hardware that old, you have no right to complain about lack of software support. Also, Win98 runs perfectly well with the 5 to 6 year old Rage II drivers, so if XFree86 5.0 isn't compatible, blame XFree, not NVIDIA. (Not to mention Linus and his driver API of the day games)
Could you give the URL? As an owner of the original Riva128, I'm really interested in driver update.
Last W95 driver is from February 1999 (It is W95 driver, not WDM driver!).
Last feature update for XFree was in 3.3.something, when NVidia switched to new architecture for their open drivers. Riva128 under X still can't calculate timings correctly - my GTF calculated Modeline for 1280x1024@85Hz doesn't work - it gives 80Hz. With some tweaking I was able to get 81Hz - still far from 85Hz.
Riva128 driver does not support XVideo extension - altrough hardware is capable of doing so.
The glx module for 3.3.3/3.3.5 is a joke - I was not even able to run gl-screensaver with it - it crashed whole X (that's my whole need for 3D - screensavers and occasionaly games like chromium).
BTW., when I bought the card, nowhere on the box was written "You can use this card only until Feb, 1999, later you must buy new one". The card still works, the chip has functions I need, but I just can't use it.
And finally, if the specs were available, you could still use your favourite OS in years to come(you are Be fan, right?).
Uh, no. Where do you get your info? While its true that both the Radeon and Matrox cards do *look* better, the GF2GTS is more than 10-15% faster than a Radeon 64DDR in most games (even at high res.) For a while there, the Radeon beat The GTS in Quake III at 16kx12k, but after the Detonator 3 drivers, NVIDIA came up big time.
So I can choose card that looks better, supports XV extension and performs decently in 3D (Matrox, ATI), or card that offers only 2D with open drivers without any extensions (GF2xx). Guess what will NOT be my next card.
So just use IPsec or something similar. You don't encrypt/password protect files or keyboard access to the computer, but network traffic. So https is fine, ssh too.
Do these rules apply only to school-owned notebooks, or also to your own?
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Again: if you use it internally, you don't have to buy license.
We tried to ship a product (not a derived product, just a linked product) with mySql.
See? You shipped it. You didn't use it internally, you gave copies to third parties. In this situation, you can buy non-gpl licensed rights to it, or GPL-license your product. Linking counts as a derivative under GPL.
The point is, that your compiler, written in whatever language you prefer, must emit assembler or machine code (gcc emits assembler, cl.exe machine code). So you must know assembler or your target pcode anyways.
Hello, I'm the original anonymous coward. FYI, I run both OSX and Linux on my machines, WXP at work and I plan to purchase Apple machine again (well, I'm waiting to see what is going to happen at Superbowl). However, I try to be objective and OSX, while it is very nice, is not cure to everything. At the Linux side, I'm running Fedora Core 1. When comparing, I'm trying to compare current to current, not current to old.
/Library/Application Support in addition to /Library/Frameworks. Just out of head: NAV and Stuff-It.
So, back to our topic:
- Junk email: You are right, Mail.app has it since Jaguar, Mozilla since June 2003. Before that, one had to use external utilies - not very user friendly. But today, they are even.
- Expose/VD: I'm not very confident in application that seems abandoned. Last time I tried that, it wasn't very stable. It wasn't playing with applications so nice like Linux virtual desktops. There was always some glitch.
- Consistency and descriptive labels: Descriptive labels are required by Gnome HIG since 2.0. Yes, there are programs that look out of place - I personally hate libXaw programs. But they are legacy - just like Classic and 68k is legacy on Mac. And there will be always programs, that look out of place everywhere they are running - that's the tax for their multi-platformness (e.g. mentioned Corel KPT and Bryce, NewTek Lightwave, Apple(!) Shake, from opensource it is Blender, OpenOffice or Mozilla).
- library compatibility: just few weeks ago I was cursing at Apple, why they ship old libxml with Panther. I either had to get year old libxslt, or replace Apple shipped libxml. Linux and OSX are 1:1 in this regard.
- Quite a lot programs that need installation put stuff in
I don't know statistics about 'has to be installed' vs 'can be dragged' and I'm not going to argue about percents. They are not important. Important is, that user cannot be sure that dragging is enough.
- iPhoto: I've heard that v4 is fast, but very few people have it already. It is not free update anymore. I'll see what comes with new machine.
- Working out of the box: Linux works well for me for quite a lot reasons, but this one is very important: It is localized to my native language. OSX isn't. That way, my entire family can use Linux machine. On the other hand, missing localisation was THE reason why I was unable to sell my soon-to-be-replaced mac.
But for english-only speaking person OSX desktop is nice indeed.
- media files: Media files found on net like wma/wwmv, real and divx/xvid too. Ability to display external subtitles. Full-screen playback without $30. In Quicktime there are just movie trailers. Media player that doesn't nag would be nice (Yes, I know how to change time, click not now button and change time back. But why should I do that? Isn't point of OSX to be tinker-free?)
- I blame Apple partially. My reason to mention this was: we were discussing OSX desktop, not OSX as shipped by Apple. See also grandparent. The reason partial blaming Apple is: every Carbon application seems to have problems, not just Office. Adobe applications are notorious with problems. Illustrator CE (Central European) doesn't run with English script. When switching system to Roman script, Wise installers don't work. Again, this means tinkering for user. I don't want to watch what application I'm going to run and switch scripts.
To your problem with resume: it happens with original MS Office too. I was told that it is caused by different printer drivers installed at different machines and that MS Office lays out pages based on metrics from printer.
But scrambled characters are bigger problem for me than overflown text. I have to use special (non-unicode) fonts just to write text in my language!
This just points out that users have different needs and priorities. There is no os that is 'best'. There is just os that someone is most comfortable with. That os different for different persons. Hey, even WXP is nice for some - and that is their choice.
You have two choices:
You are missing the point: sure, it is possible to obtain pirated music, but... who cares? You can have good sounding, free and legaly obtained music, so why pirate non-free music? It is similar to OS - you can pirate W2K Advanded Server and use it for your personal web site, or you can download/cheaply buy GNU/Linux and use it too.
I hope you don't read slashdot in nested mode. I did this mistake with MSIE Mac Edition once and ended up waiting 4 minutes to render all nested tables on 450MHz machine! Not to mention that MSIE and Entourage are able to freeze whole machine at random moments.
So now my prefered browser on Mac is Mozilla. It takes more memory than MSIE, but it is much faster and more reliable. If I didn't know anything about Mozilla, I would be using Netscape 4.7x.
Yes, UDF is in the kernel for a while. It works nicely on my PC, but oopses on my ppc machine (kernel 2.4.3)
Mine doesn't (Riva128). That is because you must use Nvidia's driver to be able to use Xv, the XFree one doesn't support Xv.
If you want latest and greatest, switch to Debian Sid. Debian stable is for people, that want to use stable and thoroughly tested distribution.
Something similar is happening already. If you want to write application that reads/writes ASF files, you have to apply for a key. Check your DirectMedia/DirectX documentation.
[1] For paranoids: http://www.openoffice.org/project/xml/index.html
For long time cdrecord (shipped with any distro I able to think of) is able to burn DVD-Rs.
In Microsoft case, it was posted
- How to obtain specs from Microsoft's site and extract them without agreeing to EULA
- Excerpts from specs
In Scientology case, whole crap was posted. (They are smart, they divided their bullshit into small chunks and claim copyrights on each individually. MS had better split their specs into multiple downloads with one paragraph each).And I always thought that only published works can be copyrighted. Bud copyrighted trade secret? It is strange, almost oxymoron.
Of course, now with DMCA, Disney don't need to extend copyright. There will be no way to legally extract Steamboat Willie from DVD or some-fancy-new-medium and all tapes, films etc. will be already unusable.
Exactly. But it is difficult to find someone bitching that integrals need to become easier, so the mainstream could use them...
These two are not mutually exclusive...
If you ask me, the developers should just have called the shots as they saw them, and worked to produce a browser that works fast and well. Instead they have a bloated, but oh so 'Standards Compliant', pice of software.
Problem is that Mozilla is not browser. Mozilla is engine for building applications using XUL (think .net).
On Linux, Galeon is a far better choice, and takes the best part of Mozilla, Gecko, for want of anything better.
Unfortunately, Galeon works only for English-speaking users. If your language happens to use character set other than Latin-1, you are out of luck. Galeon also doesn't have other nice features, e.g. cookie/image/form manager (or right-click in Mozilla and Galeon - see?)
On Windows it has to compete with IE, which will always be faster thanks to its deviation from the W3C into the world of sense.
I'm writing this in Mozilla 0.8 on Windows (I'm in work). Why in Mozilla? Because I like it better than IE. It loads itself slower, but renders pages faster. It just feels better (for me).
On the Mac it will have similar problems.
On the Mac, it is already faster than MSIE - especially for Slashdot in nested mode... (In case you don't know, MSIE Macintosh Edition has problem with nested tables - it parses really slllooooowwwwwww).
Do you realize that BeOS Unified NV Driver is port of XFree driver?
Still, the TNT-1 is an aweful old chip to still see driver updates...
When introducing Riva series, they (NVidia) claimed that they designed hardware architecture that allowed them to be forward compatible, so you could use new drivers for old card and vice-versa without any problems.
Also, NVidia does not need to make updates for their older cards - they will certainly not make it forever. However, they should publish the specs for people, that are interested/able to self-support their own hardware. See for example GUS support in Linux (GUS = Gravis Ultrasound, sound card that was produced until 1994. It is good soundcard even for today's requirements and it is still supported in Linux. This is possible because Gravis published specifications). And it is certainly older than TNT :-). On the other hand, see HP and some of their scanners under W2K - totally unsupported within one year of release. Do you see, why I avoid binary-only drivers?
Aren't any problems in 3.3.x technically the problem of the XFree guys and their drivers?
The nv driver and glx module were written by NVidia staff. Don't forget, XFree guys don't know anything about Rivas. They don't have specs.
Yea, but you also have to remember that nowhere on the box did it say "Linux supported." You bought a card that dates back to before Linux was on CNN, and you shouldn't be surprised if it is not supported on Linux.
Huh? The Radeon looks richer in 2D. That's fine. HOwever, the Radeon is barely supported in XFree 4.0, and its 3D performance is limp compared to NVIDIAs. I see the option this way. I could be an OSS bigot (and for some things, it makes sense to be one) and use a slower, less fully featured card, or I can use a card with the best 3D acceleration (if performance counts at all, how is Matrox even an option?), double the 2D speed, and nice, stable (for the most part) drivers.
This is not about OSS bigotism. It is about future support. No company can guarantee future support of their current products ("It is awfully old whatever. You better go buy new supported toy."). Open drivers can guarantee that. And until the product does what it is supposed to do, why buy new?
As a sidenote: abovementioned Riva128 is not in my primary machine. My primary machine uses ATI Mobility M3 and I'm satisfied with it's performance. So when time comes to upgrade that desktop machine (propably this autumn), it will be ATI.
Could you give the URL? As an owner of the original Riva128, I'm really interested in driver update.
Last W95 driver is from February 1999 (It is W95 driver, not WDM driver!).
Last feature update for XFree was in 3.3.something, when NVidia switched to new architecture for their open drivers. Riva128 under X still can't calculate timings correctly - my GTF calculated Modeline for 1280x1024@85Hz doesn't work - it gives 80Hz. With some tweaking I was able to get 81Hz - still far from 85Hz. Riva128 driver does not support XVideo extension - altrough hardware is capable of doing so.
The glx module for 3.3.3/3.3.5 is a joke - I was not even able to run gl-screensaver with it - it crashed whole X (that's my whole need for 3D - screensavers and occasionaly games like chromium).
BTW., when I bought the card, nowhere on the box was written "You can use this card only until Feb, 1999, later you must buy new one". The card still works, the chip has functions I need, but I just can't use it.
And finally, if the specs were available, you could still use your favourite OS in years to come(you are Be fan, right?).
Uh, no. Where do you get your info? While its true that both the Radeon and Matrox cards do *look* better, the GF2GTS is more than 10-15% faster than a Radeon 64DDR in most games (even at high res.) For a while there, the Radeon beat The GTS in Quake III at 16kx12k, but after the Detonator 3 drivers, NVIDIA came up big time.
So I can choose card that looks better, supports XV extension and performs decently in 3D (Matrox, ATI), or card that offers only 2D with open drivers without any extensions (GF2xx). Guess what will NOT be my next card.
iPAQ is name for entire line of products, not just for handhelds. This could be compared to iPaq desktop, see http://www5.compaq.com/products/internetdevices/iP AQ_Desktop.html
Do these rules apply only to school-owned notebooks, or also to your own?
DVB = Digital Video Broadcasting, standard used for digital television in Europe.
Where is a very convincing argument why not use Firewire. It sounds like "$1 per firewire port".