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Sony/Transmeta Video Laptop

Polo writes "Sony has a new small-sized transmeta powered PCG-GT1 laptop with a stronger focus on video. The lcd screen reverses and [swivels] for easier shooting. With so much hardware support required, I wonder if linux drivers will be difficult to implement. Interesting camera/pc convergence stuff (besides that, with hard drive costs coming down so far, its probably a good idea. Definitely looks like fun. Here's a ZD Net Review where they aren't so hot on a slightly different transmeta vaio. (not the one with the crazy sidemounted video camera)

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  1. About the zdnet review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    The ZDNet review is about the other form-factor pcg-c1 style 1024x480 transmeta laptop, not the one at sony's Japanese site.

    "A bit small for fortysomething eyes," so says the zdnet review. I would say that it's definitely not designed for you, then. I would also say, "why are you reviewing ultralight laptops?"

    I would also say "It's 2.2 pounds. Where do you expect the battery power to come from?" For something that light, with that size of display, and with a hard drive, 5.5 hours is pretty good.

  2. Cryptonomicon by Adam+Wiggins · · Score: 2

    Hmmmm, the first thing I thought of when I saw this thing was that bit in Stephenson's Crytonomicon where the main character was secretly snapping pics in a business meeting with his laptop.

    Of course, by the looks of it, there's nothing secret about the camera on THIS thing. Ah well..

  3. Re:Picturebooks are already out for intel by jandrese · · Score: 2

    No, it's more of a loud fan/HD whine. It comes on a couple of seconds after booting the laptop, and stays until it goes to sleep or is shut down.

    Also, the camera driver is Here, although I've never tried it out.

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  4. Picturebooks are already out for intel by jandrese · · Score: 4
    YOu can already get a picturebook with an intel processor, We have a couple of them at work. Here are my impressions:
    • This thing is tiny. The picture doesn't do it justice. It's less than 1/4 the size of my Dell laptop (Latitude CPx--with the batteries that explode).
    • The Screen is wierd, with only about 1/2 the height of a normal screen (resolultion is 1024x384 or something), so you are constantly panning up and down the screen.
    • Ours is loud, although I think it might be a misfeature of the particular laptop we have, the little beastie has a high pitched incessant whine while it is running.
    • The camera is neat, quality is on par with Indycams and the like, the built in software lets you add all kinds of useless effects to the picture, we never use it.
    • There are apparently linux drivers for the camera, although I don't have the link handy.
    • Battery life is pretty pathetic if you don't get the external battery add-on. We usually just have to leave the thing plugged in whenever we want to use it.
    • These machines are so thin they only have one type II PCMCIA slot, which leads to lots of swapping (naturally type III cards are out of the question).
    • The Picturebook is also among the lightest laptop I have ever used, it is literally no problem to carry this thing around, unlike my aformentioned Dell (especially with both batteries installed).
    Overall they are pretty neat little boxes, although a little small for everyday use (the keyboard is a bit cramped as well, but the pointer does have three buttons--unusual for a laptop). I'd recommend them for people who absolutely need to have the smallest fully functional latptop possible (and who have small fingers).
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    1. Re:Picturebooks are already out for intel by dizco · · Score: 2

      My n505vx's drive died a week ago. I bought a 9.5mm IBM travelstar 12 gig to replace it with before i realized the dead drive was 8mm. If you take out the drive rails, it fits in there fine and seems to be snug enough to keep it in place without the rails.

      here's some pics of the guts for those interested.

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  5. Re:Another CmdrTaco spelling/grammar flub... by pod · · Score: 2
    The lcd screen reverses and for easier shooting.

    Offtopic my ass! This is a perfectly legitimate question about the article. Read it! It makes no sense whatsoever! Easier shooting what?!? Shooting with a laptop?!? This is very much on topic.

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  6. A rough translation from elingo.com by jCaT · · Score: 2

    Open price Sale schedule on November 18

    OS: Windows ME
    CPU: TM5600 600MHz
    Memory Bus: 100MHz
    Memory: 128MB (*1)
    Hard Drive: About 20GB
    Display: 1024x768 TFT liquid crystal
    Modem: 56kbps (V.90/K56flex) (*2)
    Stamina: 5/10/17 hours (*3)
    i.LINK: Four pins
    -DV animation edit
    -Video mail
    -Live dispatch
    -10x Optical zoom
    -680,000 pixel CCD
    -Blurring correction (jitter corection?)
    -Auto focus

    (*1) 16mb is used with the system.
    (*2) V.90 and K56flex are distinguished automatically and switched. 56kbps is a theory value when data is received. When data is transmitted, 33.6kbps on the standard reaches the maximum value. When Fax is transmitted, [it] becomes 14.4kbps or less. An actual transmission rate changes by the situation of the line quality etc.
    (*3) Both battery packing (S)/battery packing (L) (optional)/battery packing (LLL) (optional) of the battery use time are standards at the power saving mode. It is likely to differ from the above-mentioned description time according to the use state and setting, etc.Moreover, battery packing (S)/battery packing (L)/battery packing (LLL) cannot be used together.
    (*4) The commodity of the open price does not provide the suggested retail price.
    (*5) The screen is a synthesis of all (*hamecomi*).

    Equipped with Windows Millennium Edition which makes lifestyle of personal computer pleasant

    I like the last bit there...

  7. Re:current picture books by D-Fly · · Score: 3

    Yeah, I've been using a C1 for about a year; it is very nearly the perfect laptop.

    Keyboard is the right size: small as possible while retaining complete functionality. And it dispenses with those stupid trackpads for a joysticklike pointer.

    Screen is hella bright, and the odd aspect ratio lets you do two word pages side by side.

    So light you barely notice it in a backpack or bag, so small you can stick it in a jacket pocket.

    The camera on the original C1 is kind of marginal, but the later models are very detailed.

    And the one downside is the 1 hour 20 minute battery life. Retch. That's why we c1 phanaticks are all freaking out at the prospect of a five hour transmeta processor assisted battery life.

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  8. The planet does not revolve around you. by Frac · · Score: 2
    I guess there are always people that seem to believe if the product isn't tailored for them or a general audience, it should head for the "bad ideas" pile, or *ignor* pile as jonfromspace would like to call it (Hey, I think that nick is really self explantory).

    Although I don't have a use for it, there are certainly enough jobs out there would can use a tool like this. A real estate agent, or a consultant, landscape or a news reporter, can take quick shots of places they go to, wihtout the extra bulk of a notebook AND a digital camera. Mind you, when you havea notebook and a digital camera, you're also carrying double the accesories.

    Too big for every day use

    Actually, it would fit into a shoulder-strapped bag just fine. The screen is 6.4 inches! How much smaller do you want?

    too pricy for casual carrying around

    I don't think they intended this for high school or college, whichever you're from.

    too crappy battery life for extended use

    Actually battery life is 5/10/17 hours depending on what kind of battery you're using (according to the page). That seems pretty adequate for a days amount of work. Not sure what you mean by "extended."

    too small for real data entry.

    Hah. hahahahahaha. hahahahaah. you're kidding right? Don't expect IT departments to switch to the Sony PCG-GT1 any time soon...

  9. This is a picture of it. by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2


    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20001016/tc/md f122900.html

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  10. Nix the rant on 3D/MPEG2 by ASCIIMan · · Score: 2
    Looks like Sony finally got their act together on the graphics chips... They're using an ATI Rage Mobility M1 with 3D and MPEG2 acceleration and 8MB on-chip RAM.

    OK, Sony, the question still stands: when can we see decent laptop graphics over here?

  11. Video Editing by ASCIIMan · · Score: 2
    If you look on the accessories page they have this cool gadget that hooks up to it like a mini-size editing board, and it interfaces to Adobe Premiere, Sony DVGate, etc.

    http://www.son y.c o.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/PCOM/Acc/PCDA-J1A/

  12. Monitor by hattig · · Score: 2

    This is one of the first real 200dpi monitors that I have seen on a product, and put to a great use. Obviously these screens are only economical to make at 6.4", but Sony seem to be consistently good at putting the latest TFT LCD screens on their devices. It can't be that long before they release a laptop with a 200dpi screen at a decent size like 12.8" (2048x1536).

    The battery life quoted is impressive as well - up to 17 hours seems to validate everything that Transmeta have claimed. TFTs are getting lower power, and new technology is coming our like LEP displays and the like which will cut power usage even more. Hard drives are drawing less power as well, and DDR memory is lower power than SDR memory. That leaves the processor and northbridge - both solved by the Transmeta processor. Sony's use of the processor is also a big plus for Transmeta.

    But these high resolution monitors are starting to make things like font smoothing a thing of the past. X11 will look smooth and good on one of these screens without having to implement anti-aliased fonts or graphics. This leaves alpha transparency as the one major missing feature.

  13. Potential!!! by QuantumG · · Score: 2

    Am I alone in seeing the potential of this thing? You could capture live video and encode to divx on the fly with virtual dub! You could store that 40 gig harddrive with every scene in your very own movie and then do the non-linear editing on site. This is ground breaking freedom! Anyone can be a video reporter and cable in news stories from anywhere in the world (where you can get a fast net connection, like say a hotel). This is the bomb. I want one damn it.

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  14. barf by two_tone · · Score: 2

    isn't this the same vaio you guys just said looked like barf? hemos stomped the guts out of the slashdot crew in battletech at als.

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  15. I found a much better picture, and article by Kwelstr · · Score: 4

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001016/tc/sony_p c_dc_1.html This picture shows the full camera and has a more detailed explanation

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  16. Linux Drivers by cluge · · Score: 3

    It's interesting but some fo the strangest things have Linux drivers, simply because somone took an interest in it. Linux drivers are only as far away as you are willing to hack the box. The neater the box, the more people that want to hack it. The more likely there will be drivers.

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  17. Re:Dvd support... by HiyaPower · · Score: 2

    The folks at PowerDVD supposedly have a software DVD player for Linux. They solicited interest in the oem/bundled market, but have yet to release it as a seperate product the way they have done with their regular PowerDVD. Their web site lists Linux as a supported os at this point. I have a jangle into them to find out what is up. When I do, I will try and let folks know.

  18. oooh. linux on this baby'd be hot by tunesmith · · Score: 2
    The eventual driver support is directly proportional to how much we salivate when we think of owning it. :-)

    So what's the salivation factor? (I just spit all over my keyboard, oops.)

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  19. A real laptop/camera.... by carlos_benj · · Score: 2

    I want one of these.

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  20. Those links in the story aren't the same model by General_Corto · · Score: 2

    If you look a little more closely than CmdrTaco did, you'll see that the model numbers are different for those two machines, and the case of the system which Polo was talking about is quite dissimilar to the one in the ZD review. Having said that little rant, I really like the convergence thing, and it's only going to get more and more prevalent.

  21. Benchmarking the Transmeta chips? by jayhawk88 · · Score: 3

    The ZDNet review kinda hints at this, but I wonder: will the Curusoe(sp?) chips necessitate a new set of benchmarks to acurately measure performance?

    I don't usually put a lot of faith in most benchmarks, but a lot of people do. It would be a shame to see Transmeta chips slurred by poor benchmark scores that may not reflect the chips true power.

  22. Another Step in the Stairway to Heaven by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 2
    What? A non-Intel-based-processor laptop gets bad reviews from ZDnet? No way.
    It's hardly interesting that /. gave this Xmeta laptop a positive review, but it's even more hardly interesting that ZDnet didn't. ZDnet is the devil.
    P.S. You know that magazine PCComputing? *SIGH*. I used to subscribe when I was 12, and back then there were only 65 ads per page. I mean, wow.

    Anyway, I think this is a Good Thing (tm) for Xmeta and the rest of us. The more competition that we see in the upcoming years the better..we all know this. As far as posting every little battle won by the Small Guys, well, I'm all for it. These little articles are interesting, they shed light on why /. is better than everyone else. Everyone. In the future, I for one, would like to see more of this.

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  23. Don't you just love benchmarks? by fm6 · · Score: 3
    Part of this low score may be caused by the fact that the Winstone benchmark test does not repeat tasks, which minimizes opportunities for the Code Morphing technology to have an effect.

    The say "part" of the low score? Winstone would seem to be precisely the sort of benchmarks that optimizers hate. I used to have some peripheral involvement with HotS pot Java VM, and nothing upset the development team more than benchmarks that didn't reflect real-world uses of their product. And HotSpot is very similar to TransMeta -- both selectively compile interpreted code into optimized native code. See the Hotspot Benchmarking Q+A.

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  24. Linux version of this little sucker by truelight · · Score: 2

    You know, EmperorLinux already offers one of these - pre-installed with linux and drivers for EVERYTHING on it. I'd buy one if I had the bucks.
    http://www.emperorlinux.com/kiwi.html

  25. Very Cool... but... by jonfromspace · · Score: 3

    Is this where Laptops are heading? Does a person really ned a HandyCam with an onboard PC? I seriously doubt it's capabilities for any seriuos Video Editing, seems to me like this is another interesting sony gadget, destined for the *ignor* pile.

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  26. Ummm Sony? by SubtleNuance · · Score: 2

    Everyone remember this:
    "The [music] industry will take whatever steps it needs to protect itself and protect its revenue streams. It will not lose that revenue stream, no matter what." The disturbing part is what Heckler says Sony will attempt to do to help them win: "Sony is going to take aggressive steps to stop this," Heckler told the Summer Forty-Niner. "We will develop technology that transcends the individual user. We will firewall Napster at source -- we will block it at your cable company, we will block it at your phone company, we will block it at your [Internet-service provider]. We will firewall it at your PC"

    Reason Number 3 to never buy a Sony Product. A great reason; but Beta and Memory Sticks are #1 & #2. So lets all remember: Fuck Sony.

  27. I see why this is hip with the /. crowd by BluedemonX · · Score: 2

    would you want a laptop that when closed resembles the Millenium Falcon?

    I rest my case.

    How many of these will get broken, I wonder, by some MORON thinking that the camera is some kind of joystick control, "yup, up, down, up down, right *SNAP* oops, uh, gotta go"

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  28. It would be interesting... by B00yah · · Score: 2

    to see what the actually translation on the page would be, "And this is what we give to the Americans this quarter, even though what we have is a decade ahead of this"

  29. Another CmdrTaco spelling/grammar flub... by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2
    The lcd screen reverses and for easier shooting.

    Reverses and what?

    Damn cute little thing, though.

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    1. Re:Another CmdrTaco spelling/grammar flub... by b1t+r0t · · Score: 3
      Looking at the picture for a while, it appears that the screen spins 180 degrees at the center of its hinge, and locks down over the keyboard, rather than simply flipping in and out.

      I hope they've got a durable connection between the screen and the base, or it could go bad after a few thousand twists. Not to mention if you kept turning it in the same direction all the time.

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    2. Re:Another CmdrTaco spelling/grammar flub... by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot · · Score: 3

      "The lcd screen reverses and for easier shooting.

      Reverses and what?"


      What's wrong with that statment? All of the motherboard manuals that I've seen for the past five years or so are written like that!

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  30. I'm surprised Sony's embracing Transmeta by Anne+Marie · · Score: 2

    If you've been to a convenience store lately, then you already know this: Sony is now selling its own brand of disposable batteries. They're making a wholescale entrance into the battery market. But this then raises the question as to why they're focused on selling laptops that consume less battery life than their counterparts'? It'd be like HP deciding to sell printers that consume fewer ink-cartridges. HP is an ink company, and Sony is positioning itself as a battery company. We all know HP is a toothless enterprise if ever there was one, but Sony is a real competitive force.

    We as slashdotters should petition the FTC to break them up now before they start leveraging their dominance in the record-label industry and come out with a line of Barbara Streisand batteries and seal our fate for us. They are still small enough to be broken up now. If we squander our opportunity, then we will have to answer to our children and grand children. We shall rue the day if it comes to pass.

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