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Plex86 Boots Linux In Normal Mode
Kevin Lawton writes: "Plex86 just reached the
'Linux squared'
state. I just got plex86 running on a Linux Mandrake 7.1 host,
to boot an old RedHat 5.0 disk image file (installed with bochs
some time ago). CVS updates coming in the next few days. Next on the chopping block are the MS Windows OSen!
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Cool. So now I can run Linux inside Linux inside Linux inside Linux inside Linux inside... :-)
Fun, fun, fun
Imagine a Beowulf array inside there...
...to VMware now? Is it a viable alternative?
BlackNova Traders
A little context doesn't hurt. http://www.plex86.org/info.phtml .
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Someone can tell me the difference. Both like to be Mandrakesoft thing and boot look written by the same people and bochs look to have more feature than plex86. I'am wrong. Btw. Excuse my english. I don't have english lexique :-)
Ceci n'est pas une Signature !
How about a few thousand images on a single IBM s/390 running Linux kernels, running linux kernels, running linux kernels ...running VMWare, running WinNT, to show off the BSOD feature;)
simon
"Hey Carlito, r'membah me? Benny Blanco from the Bronx!"
The "boxen" inside joke was funny, the first time I heard it, when I thought it was a one-shot joke. Using it consistently is just plain stupid, but anyone who takes the initiative to stretch the bad joke into other uses is a major-league asshole.
English is screwed up enough as it is, and it's the language the world is being forced to learn. This kind of shit is confusing to students of English, and offensive to native speakers.
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I still rememeber how, some years ago, OS/2 decided to overcome Windows. Unfortunately M$ did a smart move in time, by launching Win95. Most of OS/2 Windows emulation was based on 16 bit Windows. Besides, the mixed nature of Win95 (it has both 16/32 bit code) and its weird integration/embedding, made the transfer of Win32 code to OS/2 a nearly impossible task. During the years, it seems that IBM tried several times to recover from this blow. However M$ managed to smartly maneuver and avoid the danger. First by forcing IBM to accept its supermacy on market. Second by smartly destroing those who could help IBM to move OS/2 forward.
Today the situation is pretty different. First people don't wanna move from a classic Win32 basis, that has established deep roots. Most people use, for years, Win98/NT. Some have transferred to Win00, but this OS looks more as a continuation of old NT traditions. So, improvements are more superfluous than useful. The only good thing is that it is stable for a larger field of activies than Win98/NT.
In the mean time I have seen that M$ customers became quite conservative. The new great WinMe looks as the biggest M$ fiasco since th ill-famous DOS 4.0. Apart from this, we have to note that M$ does not promise any inovations in the short future.
Right now the Linux front presents three great achievements:
VMWare is working stable and fast on Linux.
Recently Wine started to launch such important apps like Word00 & Excel00
Now Plex86 seems set forward to start implementing Windows emulation on Linux
If nothing changes, than soon we may face the fact that te last M$ bastion will fall. If M$ does not have in its hat a new rabbit or a new OS implementation then it will surely loose ground. First by those who don't need anymore "two OS's in one hardware". Second becaudse many average users will be able to launch M$ soft on linux.
So time to start counting backwards...
I honestly consider this a good thing. Plex86 originally started as a vmware killer, and has grown quite a userbase. It is true that it's behind vmware by at least a few years, but you have to remember, that when the original vmware beta came out, it had a lot of bugs also. I remember using it for the first time, and quite frankly, i was quite impressed. Right now, in the state that plex86 is in, I'm even more impressed than when i first saw vmware. The reason being that it hasn't taken 3 years to get a working emulator. Now comes the big question: how badly do people want to have a "FREE" emulator? I would like to see more people work on this project, and maybe at one point in time, show microsoft that they can't always have the market by the balls. Sorry for this being so long, I just had a lot to say.
There was plex86 version 1.0 on the ftp site last night... He said he'd have to update the cvs there... but I still wonder if that is the version that he's showing off there(there were boot images as well..). I'll have to try it out tonight.
"Hex, Bugs, and Rockn'Roll" --The Programmer's Digest
"Hex, Bugs, and Rockn'Roll"
It would be wonderful if any of the programs(VMWare or plex86) would be able to make use of the DVD player that is currently functioning as my overpriced CD-ROM drive. Even though my DVD troubles have yet to be solved, I do have to praise VMWare for it's ability to use the ports. Since there is no adequate software for loading mp3's onto a creative nomad or for linking to a ti calculator, VMWare has become a good friend of mine. IF plex86 were to add these features, I might consider switching. But VMWare was $100 well spent
bzzt. An apostrophe would be used with the possessive, as in "the OS' dominance", but not in this case. OSes is correct. IMHO.
...till your daddy takes the kernel away!!
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
But with OS being an acronym, it's safe to say "OS's" with the term "operating system's" being correct. Sorry to give you the sytactical smackdown.
Unless you are running a warez copy of Windows in VMWare/Plex86/anything else you still bought a copy of Windows in other words they still get paid. I would rather see Wine succeed in getting full 100% compatability (even 75% as long as MS Office is included) than this.
Sorry but I thought it needed to be said
Um, no. An apostrophe should never be used except to show possession or word contraction, neither of which are happening here. This is a simple plural, so it should be either "OSs" or "OSes". Even if this were a possessive (e.g. "One of the OS's features is that it crashes a lot."), your statement would be wrong, because you're only supposed to use a trailing apostrophe when the word ends in an "s" and the word is plural. Thus, "The elephants' tusks" works, when we're talking about a group of elephants, and "The elephant's tusks" works, when we're talking about a single elephant, but, if a single elephant had the name "Horus", we'd be talking about "Horus's tusks."
(Sorry for the off-topic post. I rarely correct folks on their grammar, but it bothers me to see someone else do it when they do it wrongly.)
What's more, I receive tons of spam from Vmware, so they definitely DO NOT deserve my money. Long live Free software !
I bought Win4Lin instead, and I'm really impressed with it, it runs at nearly the original speed! As what most people want is a way to use the few Windows applications they have to run everyday, it's just great. If a couple of guys pretend they have to run Netware, WinNt and Win98 on the same machine at snail pace, that's fine for them, but as I have no masochistic tendencies, I will keep using the fastest solution.
And as someone said : Buy Win4LinThey deserve your dollars, and you deserve their fabulous piece of software ! ;>
"Naughty, naughty, naughty, you filthy old soomka !"
I've personally had great luck with GtkTiLink, which supports all calculators, gray and black link cables, and has a nice interface.
Windows 2000: Designed for the Internet. The Internet: Designed for UNIX.
- S.O.B. to install
+ a pretty kick ass OS
+ some of the best little utilities
+ the OS is pretty fast
+ compiler seems to produce some pretty fast executable code
+ compiles quickly compared with NT MSVC
+ a stable platform
+ really good process and thread scheduling
+ the scheduler is still better than the one in NT (which sucks @ss)
+ the memory management for threads is pretty decent too
+ Compared to dealing with the guts of NT, it is a pleasure to code to
+ the command line capabilities are great
+ the same machine running Linux will kick ass speedwise for most things
+ a (-SMALLER :( ) sector of the Linux community is wonderfully easy to deal with, well educated, and quite design savvy bunch
+ It's a good product
- that got buried by p*ss poor marketing
But with OS being an acronym, it's safe to say "OS's" with the term "operating system's" being correct. Sorry to give you the sytactical smackdown.
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Please see Bob's Quick Guide to the Apostrophe, You Idiots
Gfunk
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
...like BeOS or perhaps a *BSD? If there's only text mode, then I guess we have a while to wait for BeOS in Linux.
Bob is much better.
--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
"Now we can see that undoubtely Windows BEATS Linux! The benchmarks shows an average of Windows 2000 being 10000 times more faster on a Redhat 10.0/LAM-MPI/Plex86 PIV 1,5MHz 256 Mb RAM 30Gb HDD rather then Linux-only on this same machine! This result proves the reliability and superior speed of Windows 2000 compared to any other platform! Linux shows nothing that can be compared to this always new, always fresh OS from Microsoft...
For testing benchmarks, a network of 1000 machines was used, linked through 1Gb Ethernet. On all machines we ran Windows & Linux."
Its OSen
whoops! this product is called win4lin, and runs damn well. i'm currently running win98 and outlook (as exchange client).
"so fsck'in buzzwordy, they make my head hurt."
Yeah, not at all like "fsck".
Oh dear.
Green Monkey
"boots Linux in normal mode"
As opposed to safe mode?
Is "normal mode" anything like runlevel 3?
Actually, this dates back to the 80's when VAXen were all the rage (anyone else remember that far back?) But I don't remember it bein a German thing but rather as a takeoff on oxen -> VAXen.
We used to get very irate when ppl would spell it "Vaxes", etc. I remember arguing with a coworker about whether it was a good idea to spell it VAXen on a resume.. I did it anyways.
(and yes it's proper to put the comma outside the quotes)
Restrictions are prohibited. Be well, get better.
When WILL you people get it right? It's an OS that's JUST for HACKERS which is WHY it's pronounced LIGNUX!!!
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Yes, that's for "LIGNUX Inside GNU's Not UniX" => "LIGNUX Inside GNU's Not UniX Inside Gnu's Not Unix Not UniX" => "LIGNUX Inside GNU's Not UniX Inside GNU's Not Unix Not UniX Inside GNU's Not Unix Not Unix Not UniX"...
I leave the finished expansion to the reader.
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Who would run DOS 9.0? After the version numbers get so high it just gets annoying.
Mac OS is up to X by now, in Roman numerals even. This isn't annoying but rather quite seXy IMHO.
Will I retire or break 10K?
This is the class's constructor.
TO BUY A NEW CAR WOULD MAKE YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
Oh no. An *outsider* might know what goes on in your little social club.
/real/ friends. It's all synthetic and meaningless.
(Aside from keggers and racism, that is...Thos e are public knowlege.)
Like this shit ever matters, or will matter outside of school anyways.
Ye Ghods. It's not like it's a god-damn matter of national security or even personal saftey.
It's just a silly club.
Yeah, I'm not 'Greek', so I don't know the 'significance' of these bullshit little clubs and their bullshit little treehouses. What I do know tho, is that you're so full of shit that it's dribbling out your ears, dickweed.
I see fraternities and sororities as artificial friends for sluts and drunkards that have no
And I'm sorry, but if someone threatened my LIFE because of a triviality, I would know THEN and THERE that it was NOT a group I would choose to associate myself with.
OTOH, sorority girls do make great porn!
Oh, and BTW, you crack-smoking moderator fucks, this is not flamebait. This is a FLAME.
The parent is, therefore, the flamebait.
Feel free to use troll, tho.
Richard
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Deepthroat my submarine, swallow my seamen.
First, killed is a figure of speech. That kind of punishment is still on the books, but I somehow doubt they'd use it. Perhaps I should have chosen a better expression, in light of historical precedent.
Second, I would really think that, in the modern age of the "dry" Greek system, that people would realize it's about more than parties and booze. Each year, the Greeks turn away countless numbers of people who just want to get drunk and laid. Those houses that don't are the jokes of the Greek system, and the houses that truly believe in their ideals strive to rise above such debasement.
As for your accusation of racism and alcoholism, I live in a dry house with a diverse brotherhood. Maybe you'd like to speak to our black brothers? Or the Latinos? Or the Koreans? That tosses that claim.
The artifical friends claim simply isn't worth my time.
Now to return to the original topic, the point isn't the fact that this is secret. It's that to gain the knowledge of the ritual, you have to pledge to keep it secret. It's your word and bond, your honor pledged to your brothers. Therefore, simply handing out someone else's secrets like this is disrespecting your own integrity as well as those who hold dear the ideals of the fraternity they join.
Some of us still take things like integrity seriously. Keeping your word is a skill I think more people in this world could stand to gain from learning.
And as for the "Open-Source" fraternity, many of a Greek house's ideals are public knowledge. For example, our Landmarks, By-Laws, and other such information is publicly available. Many of our ceremonies are exoteric as well.
You are correct, sir.
La via sola al paradiso incommincia nel inferno
If the VM is really emulating the hardware, why have seperate support or debugging stages for different OSes? Why does it matter what software it runs; if it emulates the architecture 100% then it should run anything that would run on the architecture.
I suppose the two reasons I could think of are undocumented interfaces, and bugs in the software that make assumptions about bugs in the hardware. The console emulator's problem is pretty much explained by lack of documentation (most info is reverse-engineered) but on a fairly standard system like x86, why all the fuss?
-- 2 + 2 = 5, for very large values of 2
So Plex86 boots Linux, which runs VMware, which boots Windows, but Plex86 doesn't boot Windows.
... don't you think ;-?
Kind a paradoxical
Your sentence, if it was correct, would read:
This whole thing is just as dumb as the "gotta have new electronic laws" stuff. It's my opinion that current law, if applied in a rational, reasoned manner, is adequate to the task. New laws aren't neccessary.New ways of forming plurals in English for words ending in "x" or "s" are not needed either.
What is needed is a better grasp of English grammar by those attempting to use the language. Perhaps I was fortunate, but when I was in school I had teachers who cared about our ability to write properly. In fact, my senior year of high school, thanks to Ms. McCord, that's all we did: write.
Of course, I get the feeling that most teachers were not even in the same league as her.
Jeff
M$ killed OS2 not with Win 95 but with Windows 3.0. 32 bit-edness had nothing to do with it. OS2 did a halfway decent job of emulating Win3 but its UI was different and emulation was imperfect enough to make Win3 a better choice for running Win3 apps (duh). And of course M$ provided its most popular apps only on Win3, not in native OS2 versions. Word and Excel helped drive the Win3 jugernaut.
No sig? Sigh...
The next time some microsoft junkie tell you open source doesn't produce anything, point them to plex86. I'll be honest, when i first heard about this project i figured it would just fade away, but i must admit i am totaly in awe. Awsome job guys, i can't waitfor the changes to be commited so i can build this!!!!!
The predecessor to win32 is actually referred to as win31.
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Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor - Ovidius
Read your Strunk and White, boy! Singular possessives ALWAYS end in 's, even if they end in s, unless they are ancient names. If they are ancient names, it is preferable to avoid the apostrophe altogether, and instead write "Foo of Bas".
Class's constructor.
Windows 2000: Designed for the Internet. The Internet: Designed for UNIX.
Maybe by the middle of next year or earlier they will have an actual 'released' beta version out.
Gee and I was just given a window box a few days ago. Oh well maybe I'll have to turn it into a solaris or freebsd box or another linux box. Or donate it ;-)
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Only 'flamers' flame!
I'd be doing the same thing... If I wasn't running a PII 266 w/ 288 Mb of RAM.
Karl
I'm a slacker? You're the one who waited until now to just sit arround.
Copyright Violation:"theft, piracy"::Anti-Trust Violation:"thermonuclear price terrorism"<-Overly dramatic language.
Merging Wine into this situation, it would be usefull to use a pass-through driver translate (guest machine) Windows API graphics calls to X graphics calls on the host machine.
Writing "pass through" drivers should be easy as cake for any OS. Then the work becomes writing the libraries to translate the APIs.
Thus, one could create a hybrid system of virtualization (like a pass-through app that replaces the kernel) and API duplication (libary to translate the kerenel and library calls to host OS calls). Thus, you can work from both ends of the spectrum. Use Wine for what it does well (speed) and use plex86 for what it does well (sandbox, compatibility by using the original API handlers). If the Wine implementation is poor at something, then let Windows handle that part inside of plex86. Given this approach, plex86 would eventually allow you to mix and match Wine and M$ (sandboxed) solutions. Of course, this also extends to other OSes.
Karl
I'm a slacker? You're the one who waited until now to just sit arround.
Copyright Violation:"theft, piracy"::Anti-Trust Violation:"thermonuclear price terrorism"<-Overly dramatic language.
"I see fraternities and sororities as artificial friends for sluts and drunkards that have no /real/ friends. It's all synthetic and meaningless. "
Yeah? And your point is?
My days in the frat were some of the happiest, drunkest years of my life (though 19 years ago). Being 17 and having kegs continuously on tap was an excellent experience.
I wouldn't trade my family for anything, but I can't knock the fun memories!
Wow. Someone else has heard of Strunk and White too. I liked their example of "Charles'" versus "Charles's".
TO BUY A NEW CAR WOULD MAKE YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
Yeah, IBM extensively marketed it as a Mainframe/Mini gateway, but wouldn't market it for real client-server work (which was all the rage back in the early 90s).
Proof-in-pudding: For $350, the damn thing includes less networking that Windows 95 does. Earler versions included no networking whatsoever (TCP/IP for OS/2 2.1 was $300!).
All Microsoft had to do was put filesharing, TCP/IP, and IPX in the (NT) box, and OS/2 has dead meat ever since.
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Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
It is not impossible, it's just a lot of hard work. I went through this years ago with Wine, had it working, and then the Wine requirements changed and the whole thing needed a re-port. I gave up there and then.
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
interesting
.oO0Oo.
I considered that not to be the case for an acronym
and besides spelling and grammar are observations of general use not dictatorial rules
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
I'm still in school and my teacher is my dad feel free to blame him i dont care.