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Interesting Commercials

So, I'm sitting here half-watching the Super Bowl and admiring some of the new commericials. So far, I think that the E*trade Monkey with Horse ad has been really good, as has the Kasparov vs. The Machines - the accenture and cingular ads have been, IMHO, as bland as Wonder bread. That, and the Cingular icon looks like a bold color version of the X icon, or something. The E*Trade Matrix rip-off ad was good as well - but with one quarter left, I'm not as impressed as in past years. What do you folks think?Update: 01/29 06:29 PM by H :Check out AdCritic's Superbowl site.

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  1. pets.com by paulychamp · · Score: 5

    the pets.com puppet had a killer cameo, it's good to see he is still getting work.

  2. I dont get to see the ads by QDerf · · Score: 2

    ...coz I'm in Canada and my bloody cable company replaces all the ads with crummy random boring local ads!! grr! I'm missing half the show! At least I got to see a Powerbook G4 add that I hadn't seen yet, but still!

    1. Re:I dont get to see the ads by QDerf · · Score: 2

      A radio station here (quebec city, CHOI) tried to convince (petitions etc) videotron into not letting global put their ads on the CBS (or whatever) channel two years ago, and didn't manage it. They even had videotron people in the studio one morning, that was interesting. They organize a special event for the superbowl since then, in a large Universite Laval hall, where you can go watch the superbowl with the ads etc but I don't know where they get their feed from. Oh well. Evolution will catch up with the CRTC someday I guess, just give em time....

  3. Budwieser by jcampb12 · · Score: 4

    The Bud commercials have been pretty good, esp the one with "What are you doing?," "Just watching the market, drinkin' an import" and "Hey Jimmy, pick up the cordless." Just shows that you have a sense of humor when you can make fun of yourself. BTW--anyone else notice that it is no longer the Budwieser blimp, it's the Budwieser.com blimp. I think they missed that bandwagon by a year.

    1. Re:Budwieser by rabtech · · Score: 2

      BTW--anyone else notice that it is no longer the Budwieser blimp, it's the Budwieser.com blimp. I think they missed that bandwagon by a year.

      LOL... more proof that humans have this knack for restating the obvious. For example: (refer to 'Hitchhiker's Guide')

      "It's a nice day outside."

      "You are very tall."

      "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!1"
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    2. Re:Budwieser by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 2

      The interesting thing I thought about that is ... have you noticed there have been a lot more commercials ridiculing "faggy" import beers by Coors, Bud, and other American swill beers lately? I think, thanks mostly to the microbrewery movement, Americans are discovering real beer. Not that there's anything wrong with a tradition light Pilsner (i.e. Coors & Bud) but people are finding out there's a lot more to beer than that.

      Your typical American housewife saying she "doesn't like beer" is about like someone saying they don't like bread when all they've eaten is Wonder Bread (plain white bread, for those abroad).


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  4. Did anyone see the "other" commercial?? by Triode · · Score: 2

    I was watching Futurama (sorry) since I had not seen it in a long time and there was no game on that channel :) when I saw a (bah!) M$ commercial. New one, about how _reliable_ thier servers are. It showed an empty office with servers in it and spoke of how everyone was home enjoying milk and cookies with no worries because Redmond was running the show. I wonder if this is just to tout the "new" OS, or M$ standard campaign to make you forget about all of those outages last week at thier server farm...

    1. Re:Did anyone see the "other" commercial?? by Saint+Nobody · · Score: 2

      it looks to be a whole new campaign. i saw two of those tonight. one for their database software and one for their web server software. both of them made me want to attack somebody with a sharpened slackware cd.

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    2. Re:Did anyone see the "other" commercial?? by Mr_Icon · · Score: 4

      when I saw a (bah!) M$ commercial. New one, about how _reliable_ thier servers are. It showed an empty office with servers in it and spoke of how everyone was home enjoying milk and cookies with no worries because Redmond was running the show.

      I first saw it on Comedy Central, so I just figured it was part of the program.

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    3. Re:Did anyone see the "other" commercial?? by Wonko42 · · Score: 2
      This is Microsoft's new "reliability" ad campaign, which was launched a week or so before their DNS went down and they got DOSed. There's been talk recently that Microsoft may cut back on the campaign now so as to avoid making it look like a bad joke.

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  5. Make that 2 cameos by Ratteau · · Score: 5


    the pets.com puppet had a killer cameo

    Yeah, he looked great on Brittney Spears' arm during the halftime show.

  6. what's with random punctuation? by zyqqh · · Score: 2

    CueCat's colons were lame. accenture's ">" in the middle of nowhere is LAME. Is ASCII the newest trend du jour with marketroids or what? Maybe in a few years we'll start seeing IPOs with names in pure l33t5p34|
    Oh wait. mind[avg_marketroid]==mind[avg_script_kiddie]. Mystery solved.

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    1. Re:what's with random punctuation? by BarefootClown · · Score: 4

      It's not ASCII, it's an accent. Musical notation uses a ">" character to indicate that a note should be accented (3/4 value and one dynamic level louder, give or take). An interesting use of symbols, but a poor choice if people don't get it.

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    2. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Catch22RG · · Score: 2

      Ever looked at sheet music before? Accented notes (notes played louder than others) are marked with a ">" above them.

    3. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Tower · · Score: 2

      I was discussing the Accenture name change with the others at my superbowl party today (I'm a Giants fan in Rochester, MN... it will be very lonely tomorrow) - we can't figure out why a company who only has mindshare through their name would change the only thing they have going for them... of course, if they are anywhere near as bad as I've heard (and could guess from the quality people from my school that they hired "Hey, you barely graduated - want a job?") maybe the name change is a good idea...

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    4. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Fishstick · · Score: 2

      yeah, seems to be the trend with renaming your company lately...

      telcordia (bellcore)
      lucent (bell labs)
      accenture (andersen?)
      verizon (GTE + ameritech?)
      cingular (forget which companies this used to be)

      ...and my least favorite

      convergys (my company, used to be Cincinnati Bell)

      WTF is with these dopey names?

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    5. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Azog · · Score: 2

      But the accent was over the t! That doesn't make sense at all!

      Torrey Hoffman (Azog)

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    6. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Nailer · · Score: 2

      I was discussing the Accenture name change with the others at my superbowl party today (I'm a Giants fan in Rochester, MN... it will be very lonely tomorrow) - we can't figure out why a company who only has mindshare through their name would change the only thing they have going for them...

      The name change occured because Andersen Consulting is no longer associated with Aurthur Andersen or Andersen Corporation, who now have their own consulting arm, Arthur Andersen Consulting, as of around a year ago. In fact, I do believe there was some degree of legal action between the two former family members over the split.

    7. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Fishstick · · Score: 2

      >Cingular was Cellular One

      That may be true for the area you live in, but Cellular One was a licensed brand name that many companies used (here in Chicago it was once Rogers/Cantel which sold to SBC - McCaw used to go by C1 in many markets before AT&T bought them)

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    8. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Fishstick · · Score: 2

      Verizon is more than just one company. I beleive it is a consortium of wireless spin-offs, which probably does include the NYNEX/BAMS wireless operations. Here in Chicago, Ameritech's wireless was spun off because SBC bought up Ameritech and already owned one other wireless license. If memory serves, GTE bought it and and their wireless ops are now part of Verizon (the Ameritech wireless store down the street from me got a new sign a few months ago. Still the same crap service, I'm told).

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    9. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Fishstick · · Score: 2

      You are talking about Matrixx. Cincinnati Bell had CBIS (cin bell info sys) and Matrixx which were split off to form Convergys. The Cincinnati Bell Telephone merged with IXC to become Broadwing.

      Convergys does still run the old direct marketing and customer care operations along with a big chunk of AT&T that it bought. That part of the company is the CMG (customer management group, I believe) and the information systems part is now IMG (information management group) which runs a wireless billing outsourcing service bureau.

      I happen to work in the Chicago office. Did you work in Florida or (probably) Utah?

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    10. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Mignon · · Score: 2

      Yeah, these companies are getting like all those '80's metal bands that had random umlauts all over the place.

    11. Re:what's with random punctuation? by Fishstick · · Score: 2

      >Then, there was the IMG group which did outsourced tech support for various computer manafacturers and ISP's

      no, not really. the IMG is the part that runs billing systems like Atlys, Catalys, ICOMS, Cellware, etc. I should know because I work for that division, (we do the billing for AT&T wireless).

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  7. Superbowl? What superbowl? by zCyl · · Score: 3

    The commercials must be pretty boring if we're all here pushing reload on Slashdot. :)

  8. Irresponsible journalism. by Urban+Existentialist · · Score: 4
    I think it is disgraceful that Hemos is trying to judge the best commercial before the superbowl is even over. Other advertisements will be discouraged from showing up due to the media having prematurely made up the American mind, especially before the repeats on the West Coast are fully over.

    This is exactly like how the News Agencies called the result of the election before it was truly over. We require, in a proper democracy, that our influential media hold its tongue and refuse to offer influential opinion before the contest is done.

    I can only hope that commercials yet to declare will not be disheartened, and will show up to stake their claim despite this knee jerk reaction.

    Shame on you Hemos.

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    1. Re:Irresponsible journalism. by mduell · · Score: 2

      especially before the repeats on the West Coast are fully over.

      Unlike some other events, the SuperBowl is broadcast live across the US, as well as to some other countries.

      Mark Duell

    2. Re:Irresponsible journalism. by fluxrad · · Score: 2

      hrm....anyone else find it ironic that the superbowl was played in....

      Florida!


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    3. Re:Irresponsible journalism. by Rew190 · · Score: 2
      Could you possibly whine anymore and take this out of context? This article isn't a piece of journalism, it's a post by a geek asking other geeks what they thought about the commercials on a superbowl. It's not an attack on the democratic world as we know it, for Christ's sakes, chill out.

      It's kind of ironic that there are those in the /. community that constantly attack the people behind it for mispelling or doing something as "harmful" as asking for an opinion, yet the only thing these people can seemingly do is whine about how Slashdot is killing the free world and wasn't what it was, etc. OK. Taco can't spell. Maybe Hemos should have considered the time zones. But if all you can do is whine about it then I'm much more worried about the community that makes up Slashdot than those who actually run it.

  9. Find here the commercials by Felipe+Hoffa · · Score: 3

    If you want to look at those comercials, you can always go to adcritic.

    (I just want to be helpful, if you think I am a karma whore, mod me down).

    Fh

    1. Re:Find here the commercials by antdude · · Score: 2

      The server seems to be up now. But who knows for how long ;).

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  10. Bah. by BilldaCat · · Score: 2

    Is anyone else but me annoyed by the elitist 'I'm too good for the Super Bowl' air around here? :|

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    1. Re:Bah. by BilldaCat · · Score: 2

      Well, give me your MentalMcNugget then, because I am apparently one of the few 'geeks' that enjoy sporting events. There seems to be this attitude that to properly fit in, you are not allowed to like sports of any sort, that all jocks are evil (I play hockey, does that make me a jock?), etc., and that's just what I found a little annoying and wanted to get off my chest. Ohwell.

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    2. Re:Bah. by Tower · · Score: 2

      >the WWF will be a football league next year...

      Ah, you must mean the XFL, starting in a week or two. Yeah, not the pinnacle of human achievement.
      >The 'super bowl' is a rital of group hysteria, with no value and base exicution (sic)

      As for myself, I watch the superbowl every year because I am a football fan. I ignore the pre-game hysteria, switch channels at halftime, and don't really care all that much about the commercials. I am interested in seeing a number of highly skilled players in a game that I myself played for a number of years. If you watch it for the game, it is great (except when your team loses 31-7). The announcers and all the rest are rather easy to tune out, and heck, sometimes a little mind-numbing time is the best relaxation a brain can have.

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  11. superbowl.adcritic.com by jesser · · Score: 5

    If only superbowl.adcritic.com weren't superbowled... oh wait, posting this isn't going to help, is it?

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    1. Re:superbowl.adcritic.com by antdude · · Score: 2

      Don't forget to vote on the commercials :).

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  12. Super Bowl - It Super SUCKED!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4

    I think I speak for everyone here when I say the Super Bowl super sucked. Unless youre a retard, in that case, you speak for yourself.

    Pick your favorite mocking quote:

    "This disturbing commercial was brought to you by...Pepsi!"

    "Oh look! Its Sting, and his little portable Pakistani friend!"

    "Welcome to Super Bowl 35! Here's Sting Singing A Song About A Prostitute!"

    "Our fans might not like that we're on stage with a band like N'Sync...But..its like, we do that all the time."

    "Ok, everybody! Lets Punt!"

    "Let's kick! And kick some more!! We like kicking!"

    "And now, for the useless 3D instant replay."

    "New York - We Suck Balls."

    "Accenture -- Even We Don't Know What We Make."

    "I read PROPAGANDA

    1. Re:Super Bowl - It Super SUCKED!! by frantzdb · · Score: 2
      Perhaps it's just a nerd thing, but here at Harvey Mudd the 3D effects got more audience response than most of the rest of the game. It's very cool technology and instant replays are a great place to debut it.

      BTW: The people making it have a web page which I havn't seen linked to: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/virtualized-reality/main.htm l

      --Ben

  13. Budweiser, Pepsi by ca1v1n · · Score: 2

    Ok, Budweiser is parodying their own commercials. Pepsi is parodying Viagra commercials. This is pathetic. Sure, some of them are a little amusing, but amusing is all over the place. Some are even hilarious, but come on. How about product information? Oh, wait, people don't really care about that, do they?

    1. Re:Budweiser, Pepsi by CaseyB · · Score: 2

      Re:Budweiser, Pepsi

      That subject is proof positive that the advertisers have accomplished exactly what they were trying to do.

    2. Re:Budweiser, Pepsi by SubtleNuance · · Score: 2

      That subject is proof positive that the advertisers have accomplished exactly what they were trying to do

      Not exactly - being aware of mass market consumer-pods like Budweiser and Pepsi ARE NOT going to make me (and maybe the poster) buy these things... in fact I will never buy these things because I believe in economically sound industry that dosnt rely on brainwashing the unwashed masses in order to survive. I actually like to know something about the item i intend to buy - and seeing 30 seconds of dancing frogs on Television is only going to make me assume that their product is actually the commercial (the marketing 'come-on') and NOT lager or cola.

      And therefore will suck shit because it is made to appeal to ~200Million mindless yankees who actually watch the superbowl to get their jollies from 30 second adverts...

    3. Re:Budweiser, Pepsi by Tower · · Score: 2

      I lost all respect for Bob Dole a long time ago, but some of this stuff is really ridiculous...
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  14. The game was just awful by Fervent · · Score: 2
    I'm, of course, a Giants fan (NY area -- I normally root for the Jets) but this game was just awful. The Giants didn't even bother to play. (That, combined with the fact that the Ravens made their offense look like a joke).

    Hell, my little brother just switched over to the movie "Little Giants" on NBC. This isn't going to bode well for Survivor, either, with their pilot going on tonight. I could care less about the show (I was one of the few and the proud that didn't watch any of it last season), but if I were CBS I'd be shitting in my pants right now. Most people have probably switched channels.

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  15. Running of the squierrels by Sabalon · · Score: 2

    That's been my fave so far. Made me laugh and it had a good point.

    I liked the silicon ad...oh wait, that was Ms. Spears at half time. :) *drool*

  16. American Legacy Foundation... by Misch · · Score: 2

    Well, the most poignant one was the American Legacy Foundation's assault on the Philip Morris positive smear campaign. I think that's the one that's going to stand out in people's minds... I wish they'd show that one a little bit more throughout the year.

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    1. Re:American Legacy Foundation... by damiangerous · · Score: 2

      Poignant? I'd be embarassed to be that old guy. "The tobacco companies say everything has changed. Everything but their deadly and addictive product." So DON'T SMOKE it! Seriously, is there anyone who started smoking in the past 10, or even 20 years, who is ignorant of the health risks? Is it SO hard to quit that nearly anyone older who wanted to couldn't have done so? No. It's the ultimate example of today's prevalent victim mentality. "I'm not responsible for my health problem, those evil tobacco companies made me smoke!" The tobacco company offered a product YOU chose to buy. No one made you smoke, and it's no one's fault but your own if you die of smoking related illnesses.

  17. More powerful than the Slashdot Effect... by localroger · · Score: 2

    ...they have been SuperBowled.

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  18. Where Are The "MATRIX" Replays?! by BRock97 · · Score: 4

    Reading in the local paper, the big draw of this super bowl were, as the paper put it, Matrix like replays. After having watching 3 quarters, I must say that it is a big let down. I guess a brief look at the technology is waranted:

    They have setup thirty-some cameras around the stadium that allow a continuous feed of imagery to computer located in the bowels of the programming center. This is all done via fiber, and is supposed to create that cool camera panning effect where the camera stops, swings around, and you are behind the play.

    That is a simple overview, but it gets the idea across. My take is that it is a little early to be seeing this. First off, only a select few plays even need this type of replay feature, and I believe the viewer only saw it two times before the half-time show. When it was used, it was jerky, and very, VERY pixelated. I don't see why they didn't just switch camera angles. This is specially true after hearing how much they spent to do something they hardly do. Maybe in a few years, computers can do interpolation, make it smoother, all that stuff, but for right now, leave it out of the game.

    As for best commercial, I would have to vote for the new "Wassup" with the Wall Street guys. Too much fun!

    Bryan R.

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    1. Re:Where Are The "MATRIX" Replays?! by Rahga · · Score: 4

      Quite simply, I don't think the technology was implemented correctly in an unsuitable stadium.

      I don't believe that the control of the cameras have worked right. The two methods that would handle it the best would be to implant a tracking device into the football, the same way they do for FOX puck trak and the 10-yard-line. The other is to track the game directly from above, but you lack that in an open air stadium.

      I couldn't quite figure out how they were directing the cameras in this game, but it wasn't smooth.

      The other truth is that 30 cameras simply isn't enough. 104 would be good for a smooth 4 second 360 degree spin. When you rotate 180 around a play in a half oval on 15 cameras in one or two seconds, of course its going to look sucky. :)

    2. Re:Where Are The "MATRIX" Replays?! by Spyky · · Score: 2

      More camera's could have helped the "jerkiness" but also remember, that in the matrix, frames were interpolated in between. No way to do that in realtime with computers available today, even at TV resolution and not film resolution. Not in the time it takes to make an instant replay. It actually probably takes a lot of juice just to grab all of the still frames and splice them into a single several second piece. Hey, in 20 years, I bet we'll see this a lot more, and it will look a lot nicer Spyky

    3. Re:Where Are The "MATRIX" Replays?! by donutello · · Score: 2

      Hey, it's just new technology. I'm pretty sure once it matures and as processing speeds increase, we will be able to get smooth real-time (you don't have to pause to change angles) motion at high-res. I thought it was pretty cool for a brand-new technology. I'm pretty sure that the first time they had multi-camera shots in a game there were problems with those back then but gradually the producers got better at using multiple angle replays as part of the broadcast.

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  19. The attack on Phillip Morris. by Rahga · · Score: 4

    Lame. I'm sorry old guy in the bed with a destroyed trachea, but Phillip Morris wont change their product until idiots like you decide to stop putting a roll of burning tobacco between your lips. Quit bitching and accept responsibility for what you have done to yourself.

    As for your foundation and that damn Truth campaign, take your frikking money and shove it somewhere where the sun _does_ shine. I'd rather see those billions of dollars go to finding cures for muscular distrophy or cancers that AREN'T self inflicted.

    1. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by malice95 · · Score: 2

      > Quit bitching and accept responsibility for what you have done to yourself.

      Noone is bitching that they havent screwed
      themselves over by smoking.. Up until 7 days ago
      I smoked for 15 years. Yes I knew it was bad, Yes I wanted to quit.. Guess what. Its VERY VERY difficult to do. I have finally done it with the help of Zyban. Many studies say that smoking is more addictive then heroein. Unless you smoke you have no reason to bitch about those ads. They are designed to get smokers to think about quitting and give then some incentive. It amazes me that the cig companies put out ads touting how great they are and how they help charities, yet at the same time they manipulate the levels of nicotine and add in other chemicals to give nic more of a kick to keep people hooked.

    2. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Fixer · · Score: 5
      manipulate the levels of nicotine and add in other chemicals to give nic more of a kick to keep people hooked.
      This is a lie. Complete shit. But the truth is more sinister...

      Okay, people titrate their drug usage, whether it's alcohol, tobacco or heroin. This means they adjust how much they take to achieve a specific, desired level of effect. Nicotine is no different.

      Now, recall that, for some years now, a number of groups have been trying to force the tobacco companies to reduce the levels of nicotene in their products. I wonder if they have been financed by the tobacco companies themselves? Why?

      Because, by reducing the amount of the drug in each cigarette, you will SMOKE MORE to achieve the same dosage. And the cancer risk comes from total smoke exposure. So, the idea is this: Even though each cig has less drug in it, you end up smoking, and buying, more of them. Which increases your risk of developing cancer. And makes you poorer.

      Tobacco is addicting enough, they certainly don't need to add anything to it to make it more so. To be honest, I say that the anti-smoking crowd has collaberated (unwittingly, perhaps) to line the pockets of PM et. al, and to kill us smokers off even faster.

      Hence, I roll my own. I've gone from a pack a day of 100's to 10-12 regular sized cigs, per day. It also costs about $7.50 per carton's worth.

      So get your facts straight.

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    3. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Lame. I'm sorry old guy in the bed with a destroyed trachea, but Phillip Morris wont change their product until idiots like you decide to stop putting a roll of burning tobacco between your lips. Quit bitching and accept responsibility for what you have done to yourself.

      It's one thing when you come down this hard on a teenager or even someone thirty or forty years old. But the "old-timers" that are addicted to nicotene have a legitimate gripe... the tobacco companies lied and schemed to hook people when it wasn't public knowledge that smoking can give you cancer.

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    4. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Ryokurin · · Score: 3

      it takes something seriously wrong for you to see before you quit or decide not to smoke.

      Mines was when I worked at wal-mart and a guy with a destroyed trachea and a oxygen tank came up to me and asked me where the cigarettes where. That completely turned me off.

    5. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by dimator · · Score: 2

      I don't understand this mentality at all. Someone prove this wrong for me, so I can understand:
      If there were no tobacco companies, all those who have died from tobacco related ailments would not have. Bottom line.


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    6. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Rahga · · Score: 2
      What, he's supposed to say "oops, I screwed up." and just sit in bed


      Yes. That is exactly what he should say.


      30 seconds. No catchphrases. No slogans ("Truth!"). No jokes. If that man said "I am a smoker. I screwed up." and spent the remained of the remainder of the time looking at the camera while beeps of a heart monitor run in the background, that would make a lot more of a difference than saying, essentially, "Phillip Morriss did this to me."

    7. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Fervent · · Score: 2
      Are you kidding? That's like saying alcoholics would be addicted to O'Doulls because they like the taste of the beer. And we all know where the sale of non-alcoholic brew has gone.

      Nicotine is a drug, as is alcohol. It is designed to keep people hooked onto the thing they are consuming.

      You don't see people who like soda struggling to quit. Or those who like to comb their frequently. In your mind, just the repeated action represents the addiction.

      Oh, and by the way, smoking kills you. That's how they lose customers. If they were striving to make more money, they would make a less cancerous cigarette.

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    8. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Rahga · · Score: 2

      Let's see. Researches think Tobacco started growing in America roughly 8,000 yesrs ago.

      About 3,000 years ago, it is believed that Indians started finding ways to smoke the plant which had thrived in many areas.

      We've found pictoral records created by the indians that document smoking activities created about 1,200 years ago.

      On 1492-10-12, Columbus recieved tobacco leaves, "certain dried leaves which gave off distinct fragrances" as indian gifts.... which he later threw away.

      Around 1497, Tobacco started getting smoked in Europe.

      Need I go on? People have been smoking for centruies before the founders of modern day cigarette manufacturers were concieved.

      "If there were no tobacco companies, all those who have died from tobacco related ailments would not have." is the most ridiculous thing I have read in all my life. Hopefully my children will never attend the same schools you attended. It obviously must have been teaching out of those "new" history books, the ones that say the equator runs through Texas.

    9. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

      Sure, they've denied it ever caused cancer and had tons of "proof" from well-financed studies. Big Tobacco didn't admit that smoking led to cancer until 1998. Lying, manipulating, advetising focused on children, these things make them liable and I have no sympathy for them.

      Its very easy in hindsight to ride the high horse now that you can see through their deception. Your "everybody knows" attitude is pretty unconvincing as everybody knew asbestos was safe. Let thetruth.com keep up the good work, especially when most of their ads are aimed at children, the very group big tobacco was trying to hook.

    10. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by donutello · · Score: 2

      If there were no car companies, all those who have died from car accidents would not have.
      If there were no airline companies, all those who have died from plane crashes would not have.
      If there were no alcohol companies, all those who have died from a drunk driver would not have.

      Neither of these arguments make any sense. They sell a product which has the potential for harmful side-effects. Name an industry and I think I'll be able to come up with someone who would still be alive were it not for that industry. None of those are the fault of the industry, but the fault of the people using the product and plain old misfortune. Feel free to enact laws to regulate the business or make the business illegal if you think the risks are too bad. But don't blame them for carrying out a legal business which politicians are too scared to make illegal but at the same time want to screw over because it's popular to do so.

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    11. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by dimator · · Score: 2

      The difference is that those indians didn't know any better, and a few thousand of them got addicted. Cigarette companies knew (or at least found out real quick) that cigarettes were addictive and lethal, and chose to hide the facts, and sometimes just directly lied about them to millions of people. So my point was not that tobacco companies supplied tobacco. It was that they supplied tobacco and lies about it's health risks at the same time to a populous(sp?) that was not yet educated enough to know better. Is that right?

      Hopefully my children will never attend the same schools you attended. My schools taught me that cigarettes kill. I hope whatever school your kids attend teaches them that.


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    12. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by dimator · · Score: 2

      People are idiots, and you can't stop them from finding a way to kill themselves.

      Then why is heroin illegal? cocaine? LSD? By your argument, we should allow all these things, and when people are dying and living in gutters, addicted to black tar, well, hey, people are stupid, they should have known better. The only reason cigarette companies exist is because they were here a long time ago--before any of these other drugs were prevalant, and before the dangers of such things were known. Now, they are big and huge, and have lots of money for politicians, who like getting elected.

      anomalous violation of supply and demand
      s/demand/addiction
      Is it right to make billions of dollars off of a product that serves no purpose other than pacifying addictions?


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    13. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by dimator · · Score: 2

      The automobile line is a cop-out. Do automobiles serve a purpose? Is that purpose worth the loss of human life? Are peoples' lives enriched/improved by having automobiles?

      Yes, yes, and yes. Can you argue the same for cigarettes? They are absolutely useless. Addicts no longer smoke because of the flavor, or because they like to. They smoke because they're addicted.

      If I drive an automobile, I can say "hmm... I dont like cars, I'll walk." If I smoke a pack of cigarettes, can I say the anolog, with just as much ease?


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    14. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Rahga · · Score: 2

      You missed the entire point, and failed to defend your original argument:

      "If there were no tobacco companies, all those who have died from tobacco related ailments would not have."

      As a defense against my historical view, you say:
      "my point was not that tobacco companies supplied tobacco. It was that they supplied tobacco and lies about it's health risks at the same time to a populous(sp?) that was not yet educated enough to know better."

      Under that line of thought, then, the real problem is that they tricked the American public into thinking that smoking was fine as far as health is concerned, right?

      Well, guess what? Now the people know better. Everbody knows that cigarettes can cause lung cancer and other diseases. Today, every box is stamped with the Surgeon General's WARNING. Virtually every claim made by tobacco companies prior to the appliation of the warning label has been smashed.

      And guess what else! Today, there are millions of smokers still out there. The differnce now is that they are all just educated smokers who KNOW that they shouldn't smoke, but do anyway.

      And after all that, you still haven't said WHY we wouldn't have the tobacco death toll we have today if it weren't for tobacco companies. As with any other drug, as long as there is a demand for tobacco, someone will be there to supply it. Hell, if tobacco companies did not exist, smokers would get their kicks from a good old corncob pipe and hand-ground tobacco! Smoking would be far less regulatable than it is today.

      My point is, smoking and smokers existed before tobacco companies, and would continue to exist without them. Tobacco companies were CREATED to serve a market. To say that "If there were no tobacco companies, all those who have died from tobacco related ailments would not have." would be to say that smokers would not exist if there were no tobacco companies in the first place, and _that_ would be a LIE. So, what's good for the goose is... ?

      Only 3 things will change the tobacco problem:
      #1: First, what created the problem will be (and is) the primary killer of the problem. Decades ago, "Keeping up with the Joneses" shot cigarette use to it's all time high point, not marketing. Popular ideas have a great track record at being bad ideas. Slavery, Disco, and (IMHO) Abortion Rights, for example. Nowadays, smoking is considered by "the Joneses" to be a disgusting, smelly, and fatal habit. Not fanshionable at all. Hurrah!

      #2 is death. As a demotivator calendar once said, "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others." Show a hardcore smoker a friend who is dying because he is drowning in the fluids of his own depleted lungs, and I'll show you a person who finally decides he needs help kicking the habit. Fortunately, the mere though of cancer has been enough to get a large part of smokers to reconsider their habit, but sometimes it's just not enough.

      #3: Time. When combined with #1 and #2, social change just takes time.

    15. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 2

      Oh, and by the way, smoking kills you. That's how they lose customers. If they were striving to make more money, they would make a less cancerous cigarette.

      You've missed the point by a very long shot.

      Nicotine is addictive. Nicotine is mildly toxic. However ... nicotine is the lesser of the cigarette's dangers. Tar is the danger, what causes cancer. You would'nt smoke that tar if you were'nt addicted to nicotine, obviously; BUT if you are, and are'nt going to quit, the less nicotine per cigarette, the more tar you will get.

      Besides, nicotine has some positive effects, such as intellectual stimulation, while tar has none.


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    16. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Ryano · · Score: 2

      They should have used the all-time classic Onion headline:

      Phillip Morris Lawyer Denies Cigarettes are Cylindrical
    17. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Sethb · · Score: 2

      Of course, Phillip Morris runs ads touting that they gave $2 million to the halfway house for runaway kids.

      Yup, they gave $2 million to that charity. Then they spent $118 million to brag about it on T.V.

      Why do I think that they didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts?
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    18. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by NecroPuppy · · Score: 2

      Show a hardcore smoker a friend who is dying because he is drowning in the fluids of his own depleted lungs, and I'll show you a person who finally decides he needs help kicking the habit.

      WTF? Isn't that what the ad was doing? The ad you were complaining about? Showing what could happen to you if you smoke?


      No... That ad was showing a random person, who may well have been an actor, in a hospital bed, with several medical devices hooked up to him.

      The message they were sending was that he was in this situation because of cigarette induced afflictions, but we don't know the Truth, pun intended, of that statement.

      Like all advertising, they are just trying to get their message across. And, like all 'rightous' causes, they will use any means necessary.

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    19. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      Interesting thing about Zyban, it was originally, and still is, proscribed as an anti-depressant and as an alternative to ritalin for ADDers under the name Wellbutrin. And it costs about half as much under that name as it does under the name Zyban. It also can cause siezures if you've had siezures before. Overall it seems to be pretty effective, my wife just started on it and it seems to be doing her a world of good.

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    20. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Fervent · · Score: 2
      Intellectual stimulation? Oh I forgot, Einstein smoked cigarettes.

      Give me a break.

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    21. Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Did you read what I said? They were hooked BEFORE it was public knowledge. They were lied to about the product when the tobacco companies KNEW they were lying, that their product killed, that they were making it more addictive through the use of chemicals.

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  20. Fedex ejector seat by tube013 · · Score: 2

    I really liked the fedex ad at the very beginning.. with the high power springs and the last line where the guy says he'll really miss the dog.

  21. Halftime Sucked by eclectro · · Score: 2

    The only thing I liked about halftime was Britney in her tight pants. The rest sucked. My mother says that was because I am getting older and that the show didn't belong to my generation. Not that any superbowl halftime has been "good", just that this one was not as well done as previous superbowl halftimes.

    So who is right??

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    1. Re:Halftime Sucked by linuxpimp · · Score: 3

      I'm just waiting for Aerosmith to get back on heroin and start rocking again. Their last three albums are all sound alike "sensitive" ballads. I mean, if you're going to wear vinyl form-fitting pants at sixty years old, you gotta have attitude, man. Drugs, songs about drugs, sex with barely legal groupies, songs about said groupies, and obscene lip/tongue gestures are what made them rock gods in the seventies. Had Steven Tyler molested Britney live on stage before an audience of millions, I would have a newfound respect for them. As it is, they suck.

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    2. Re:Halftime Sucked by donutello · · Score: 2

      The only thing I liked about halftime was Britney in her tight pants

      What?! And you totally missed her.. umm.. things? I have to confess first that I haven't really seen many pictures or videos of her before but when she came on TV the first thing I thought was "Wow, she has nice (things)" and when I said it loud, most people in the room said that was what they were thinking too.

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    3. Re:Halftime Sucked by sconeu · · Score: 3

      Obviously the NFL is going for the all-important pre-teen girl demographic, with the Backstreet Boys doing the National Anthem, and *N'Sync & Britney at halftime.

      At least they got Ray Charles to sing "America the Beautiful". Gotta love the way Ray sings it!

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  22. Re:ahh damn by pirodude · · Score: 2

    well since I missed it, did CBS use those matrix style effects that /. reported a few days ago? If so I'm gonna be pissed :)

  23. The whole damned thing... by rivendahl · · Score: 2

    This whole Super Bowl was relatively uneventful. A guy got his helmet knocked off but that it's. I guess it's not what it used to be. As for the commercials, well, you're right. There weren't many. Of course I'd like to know where they got the panning cameras they used to shift views during game play? E*Trade may have ripped off the Matrix but didn't the Super Bowl camera men do that too? Only, it made sense when they did it.

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  24. Snickers commercial... by methodic · · Score: 2

    I think the best commercial was the Snickers commercial when this guy was on the side of the street selling talking dolls, and some guy came up and asked him for the 'wazzzzzup' guy, and he smashed him! At last! Victory! That has been the most obnoxious series of commercials I have seen in years. There is nothing more annoying than hearing that phrase being repeated 50 times a day, so needless to say when the guy stomped that 'wazzzzzup' doll, I was cheering myself. In fact, I think there is a hunger inside me right now. ;)

  25. the superbowl curse... by ndfa · · Score: 2

    so with a lot of the companies that had the big adds last year gone (ie. they are on f$!@dcompany.com) this year, you think this was a concern to HotJobs.com ? I mean Etrade actually has some money that comes in from its users... Hmm. lets see if we lose any from this year!

    Game got boring, but the three fg's in 40 some seconds was worth the time!

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    1. Re:the superbowl curse... by ndfa · · Score: 2

      accenture is the kind of company that makes its money from providing consulting services to companies that are "in tough times", so i am willing to bet that they are gonna do just fine!
      The reason for the change in name was more of a market move as they become more directed towards the tech firm.....

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    2. Re:the superbowl curse... by s390 · · Score: 2

      "accenture is the kind of company that makes its money from providing consulting services to companies that are 'in tough times'"

      Wrong - Andersen Consulting (now Accenture) always made (and still makes) lots of money by low-balling consulting bids to get their foot in the door, then overcharging through change orders as long as they can get away with it. True stories: Farwest Federal S&L, a mortgage loan origination system, $2M bid vs $12M final bill - they were forced out of business, CEO was fired, etc. The Michigan unemployment bureau (I forget what its doublespeak name was), an unemployment benefits system, ~$10M bid vs ~$70M final bill for a system that didn't perform well - crippled them for a decade or more. The tales are many; most are buried by clients who won't admit to having been overcharged.

      Better to make a deal with the devil than hire Andersen Consulting, er... Accenture - at least the devil tells you up front that you're selling your soul to him.

  26. EyeVision by The+Bastard · · Score: 2

    One of the reasons for the jerkyness was that they were only using 33 video cameras, as compared to 100+ still cameras in The Matrix. The video was a bit grainy (I'm a video network engineer, so that's striking me as a bit curious.), but I agree; for a first time thing, this was good. A few years will see some remarkable improvements. I think, that www.superbowl.com is going to have EyeVision snippets online.
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  27. The Truth by FunOne · · Score: 2

    Isn't ironic that same people who yelled about the dirty tactics and half-truths of tobacco advertising are the ones who sponser and run 'The Truth.' It too is half-truths and blame shifting, just now its coming from another source.

    If you're too dumn to realise that sucking the smoke from fire into your body is bad, well, thats what natural selection is for.
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    1. Re:The Truth by Ian+Schmidt · · Score: 2

      If you're too dumn to realise that sucking the smoke from fire into your body is bad, well, thats what natural selection is for.

      Hear, hear. That's the real Truth.

      As for best commercials, my personal Top 5:
      1) Kasparov vs. everything
      2) "Whazzup" with the aliens
      3) "Whazzup" with the tragically white guys
      4) The dead dot-coms ad (nice smack around of the pets.com sock puppet - I can't believe those morons were suing Triumph The Insult Comic Dog!)
      5) The old guy doing the Matrix fight scenes (it was infinitely better than the lame low-res Matrix-style replays during the game)

  28. superbowl ala matrix by fluxrad · · Score: 3

    WTF was up w/ the 3d shit going on there.

    "You can punt the ball, and stay in wonderland."

    "Or...you can run the kickoff back for a touchdown and i'll show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes"


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  29. That George Foreman one reminded me of an IMac by piku · · Score: 2

    I was like "WTF a smaller IMac?" and then they showed some food in it.

    The new IMac - it cooks, it multitasks, it still has no floppy.

  30. Re:ahh damn by bgeiger · · Score: 2

    Yeah, they did...

    But if it's any consolation, the video quality was crap.

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  31. Re:ahh damn by Error27 · · Score: 4

    They had a bunch of cameras at the top of the stadium and they could switch from one camera's viewpoint to the next.

    The problem was it that looking down from that angle with that sort of zoom you couldn't see very much of the field. So they'd turn the view until it was directly behind the quarter back and then they'd say, "You can tell that he doesn't have anyone open from this view." But you couldn't. You could tell that he didn't have anyone open within 3 feet but you couldn't see anything that was happenning further on down the field.

  32. Re:Snort by Rombuu · · Score: 2

    It's a sad thing to know that a football player makes more than any scientist,

    Why is that sad? There are plenty of scientists, but far fewer who can play professional football at the highest level. Supply and demand. Plus, you have to factor in the fact that the average career of a professional football player is 3 years... actually, the compensation differences don't seem that large.

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  33. Not many good ones at all... by aiken_d · · Score: 4

    Man, it was like the ad agencies conspired this year.

    Ad: Computer Associates "Roosters on wall street"
    Premise: A bunch of roosters mob a big city and then create a shockwave at sunrise
    Subtext: You are such an idiot you don't even know you need us until a farm animal tells you.

    Ad: Pepsi "prisoners steal our machine"
    Premise: A coke and pepsi machine sit next to each other for months/years. Eventually the inmates from a nearby prison tunnel under and steal the pepsi machine.
    Subtext: Convicted felons prefer Pepsi.

    Ad: Budweiser "white men can't wassup"
    Premise: a bunch of dorky white guys drinking heinkein look like idiots doing more or less the same thing as all the idiots in normal budweiser "wassup" commercials.
    Subtext: White people are dorky and our customers look down on them. Oops, our customers are 85% white. Our customers are stupid and can't be as cool as our commercials.

    Ad: Levi "corpse donor" 569 jeans
    Premise: A "cowboy" kills himself on a coin-op pony and his jeans are delivered to a loser who can't afford his own.
    Subtext: Idoiot cowboys buy our stuff, kill themselves stupidly, and if you're a loser you'll want their used jeans

    Ad: CBS Becker "Airtime Abuse"
    Premise: Two characters from a CBS show sit around commiserating about how outrageous it is that the network uses the superbowl to "flog" its poorer shows.
    Subtext: Our show sucks, CBS is abusing its viewers, and isn't it funny that we come right out and say it?

    Ad: Levi "corpse donor" 569 jeans
    Premise: A "cowboy" kills himself on a coin-op pony and his jeans are delivered to a loser who can't afford his own.
    Subtext: Idoiot cowboys buy our stuff, kill themselves stupidly, and if you're a loser you'll want their used jeans

    I could go on and on. I sat there stupefied that almost every single commercial had a subtext talking about how stupid the company's target audience is. I mean, sure, you'd have to be stupid to drink Bud, but isn't it adding insult to injury to *tell* people that at the same time you sell them product?

    The movie ads were ok. Too bad none of the movies themselves looked any good. But at least the ads didn't play the "morons will go see this movie" angle too strongly. Better than you can say for most of the ads.

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    1. Re:Not many good ones at all... by donutello · · Score: 2

      Ad: Volkswagen "car in the tree"
      Premise:
      Some idiot let the clutch out too soon and the car has so much power it ended up in a tree
      Subtext: Our customers are so stupid that they think a car will land in a tree right-side-up and the guy who let out the clutch too soon would magically appear on the ground below it without the car.

      PS: It's just an attempt at humor. I thought it was a pretty funny commercial.

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  34. Re:ahh damn by grammar+nazi · · Score: 2
    It would have also helped the continuity if they didn't freeze the slowmotion play before rotating the camera. They would show part of the play, freeze, rotate, show more of the play, freeze rotate, show the rest of the play. I'm sure the computers can handle playing the entire thing in slowmotion and rotating it as it goes.

    They may have used a compression format that was sub-par as well, because watching the slowmotion plays had about as much quality as old football films from the '70s.

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  35. Re:Running with the Squirrels by Fishstick · · Score: 2
    Obviously a vast improvement over their previous effort, the cat herding spot. I thought that was the dumbest spot I'd ever seen.

    I caught the pamplona running with the bulls/squirrels ad about halfway through (gotta tape the 'bowl so you don't miss the commercials during potty-breaks) and thought it looked funny. Then I realized it was the sequel to the cattle/cat drive spot and wasn't as impressed once I realized it was EDS.

    My all-time favorite still has to be the e-trade (or whatever) one last year with the guys in the garage with the monkey (we just wasted a million bucks!)

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  36. What happens to failed pro footballers? by Goonie · · Score: 2
    Plus, you have to factor in the fact that the average career of a professional football player is 3 years.

    Warning: dumb questions from a foriegner here

    So what happens to all the players that only play one or two seasons of pro football, or don't get drafted , given that (unlike soccer or in my case, Aussie Rules) there doesn't appear to be "minor leagues" - if you don't make it or fall out of the system, you'll never play football again.

    Is even the base pay so high that even a rookie who doesn't really make it set themselves up for life? Do they all go and buy bars and forever moan about the injury/coach/whatever that derailed their careers? Is there a charity to look after these unfortunate souls? ;)

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    1. Re:What happens to failed pro footballers? by superkorn · · Score: 2
      I don't know what happens to the wash outs, but there are several "minor-league" type places, such as NFL Europe, Arena Football, or soon the XFL, where they could go. Players do sometimes go to these leagues first and then to the NFL later (the most famous being Rams quaterback Kurt Warner, a former Arena player)

      The people who wash out altogether I assume get jobs and go back to being "normal" because the base pay in the NFL is not that high compared to most American pro sports. Around 100k if I remember right. Football actually has fairly low salaries. Even the really highly paid players usually earn about 8-9 million $ a year, which is a far cry from the 25 million a year Alex Rodriguez is now making in baseball, or the several NBA players earning 20 million or more per year (Shaquille O'Neal and Kevin Garnett come to mind...)

    2. Re:What happens to failed pro footballers? by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Is even the base pay so high that even a rookie who doesn't really make it set themselves up for life? Do they all go and buy bars and forever moan about the injury/coach/whatever that derailed their careers? Is there a charity to look after these unfortunate souls? ;)

      The NFL has a supposedly generous pension plan; if you played long enough, you could be pulling in over $10,000 a month. Even short-term players make enough to survive on, especially if they have a football-related disability, which increases their monthly check.
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  37. It's NOT a monkey by mrwalker · · Score: 2

    Monkies have tails, apes do not. That was a chimpanzee. There's a difference.

  38. Or was it? by update() · · Score: 2
    When Jamal Lewis rushed to the corner for a touchdown and the Giants challenged the call, the best view was courtesy of the "useless" 3D instant replay.

    That's what I thought at first but -- given that the 3D view is a reconstruction based on x camera angles, how can you tell if a given camera angle is real footage or an approximation? Here's yet another point where technology makes it easy to confuse reality with reenactment.

    1. Re:Or was it? by Azog · · Score: 2

      No! You missed the technology preview at the beginning! That 3D stuff was real camera footage - all of it. They have several hundred cameras set up around the rim of the statium, all controlled by custom software that can coordinate them. They all feed into "custom" hard drive video recorders and there's software that can basically do "matrix" style video tricks in near real time.

      Frankly, seeing how they did that that was the coolest part of the whole 4 hours of TV. Although the halftime show with AeroSync was amusing.

      I agree with your thought that technology is sometimes making it harder to tell what's real and what's "reconstructed", but in this case, all the "EyeVision" stuff was real, and based on switching very quickly between hundreds of cameras.


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    2. Re:Or was it? by donutello · · Score: 2

      Actually it wasn't hundreds of cameras, more like 10.

      Those images were obtained by interpolating the frames between two cameras. I think about 5 frames between each pair of cameras.

      Why do you think they had to pause the video to change angles? They didn't have the processing speed to do realtime interpolating between 5 sets of frames so they took two frames at the same time and interpolated between them to obtain 5 frames.

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  39. Funny Cingular Tidbit by OS24Ever · · Score: 2

    For those that don't know, when the name change came into affect all the AT&T Wireless & other companies that merged together phones change the logo over night. A co-worker's non-techy brother came by and told him he dropped his phone and now it's in Spanish. They spent days trying to figure out how to get it to quit saying 'Cingular' on the screen before they knew that the name had changed and this was the new one.

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  40. Not I by Felinoid · · Score: 2

    Accually I rember in high school the whole "Jocks" vs "Geeks" thing... ummm my memorys may be diffrent than yours however...
    That whole jock pleading for his life thing really effects your prespective on life..

    There is a stereotype that exists that geeks are weak antisocal introverted computer freaks and jocks are strong violent socal airheads..
    Not true on both counts...
    Basicly people think the stereotypical bully is a jock... really he's a loser...

    Sports needs some intelect. Obveously stratagy is not the whole game but the strongest airhead jock is dead with a little planning...

    In short the "I'm above that" is really just "I'm better than that bully back at my high school".. That bully never made it into the NFL etc.. The jock you beat at chess did.. Or maybe he beat you...
    As for the lunitic sports fans.. don't seem much diffrent than the luntic video game fanatics.. They are just plain nuts...

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  41. Re: the George Foreman grill by markhb · · Score: 2

    When I saw this, the first thing I thought of was, "Jobs is gonna sue."

    Now, I think, "I hope he does, and I hope Foreman smacks him upside the head."

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  42. Re:New Troll Mascot by linuxpimp · · Score: 2
    Anyone in favor of replacing Natalie Portman with Britany Spears

    Naw, Britney would have to be in a major scifi movie trilogy to appeal to the /. crowd. Maybe she can make a cameo in the "Lord of the Rings" films as Frodo's ladyfriend, Dildo Boobins.

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  43. Lets Go Mets! by quakeaddict · · Score: 3

    wait'll next year!
    (I've been coding for quite a few hours this weekend)

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  44. Nerd Superbowl Party by JM_the_Great · · Score: 2

    "Hey, quite down, the commercials are on!"

    "Okay, game's back, so what were you saying about that..."


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  45. Accenture vs. Arthur Anderson by Eric+Green · · Score: 4
    The basic problem: Arthur Anderson Consulting was originally a spinoff of Arthur Anderson Accounting, with its principles being partners in the accounting firm but being IT people rather than accountants. That didn't work too well, because the consulting firm was much more profitable than the accounting firm, yet the partnership agreement said that all partners shared equally in the profits of the combined company. So the IT people wanted out. They did things that Arthur Anderson didn't like, like charge Arthur Anderson major bucks to maintain Arthur Anderson's IT infrastructure. So Arthur Anderson said "Fine, we'll start our own internal IT consulting outfit." So Anderson Consulting said "Wait, no, you have a contract with us." So Arthur Anderson said "You can't use our name anymore, and we're going to sue you for the $15 billion dollars that the contract says you have to pay us if you go your own way." So lawsuits flew, squabbles happened, and eventually they settled it via arbitration. Anderson Consulting owed no $$$ to Arthur Anderson, but in exchange had to change their name. And so it goes in the wonderful wacky world of big business. See this link for a story about the whole deal.

    [Note: Details have been changed in order to protect the easily bored. Take nothing for granted, check all facts yourself, yada yada yada.]

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  46. Accenture name change... by Eric+Green · · Score: 2
    Err, no, the Accenture name change is a result of a lawsuit between Arthur Anderson Accounting and Anderson Consulting. One of the provisions of the settlement was that Anderson Consulting had to change their name. In exchange, they did not have to pay Arthur Anderson Accounting $15 billion dollars. It was the surprise settlement of the year 2000, the accounting firm was rubbing their hands together at how much they could soak the consulting firm for in exchange for the consulting firm being able to go free (the contract between the two said the consulting firm had to pay $15 billion, the consulting firm was saying that the accounting firm had violated that contract by starting their own IT consulting firm but the accounting firm said "maybe, but not $15 billion worth!"), and the arbitrator kicked them in the nuts, awarding the accounting firm $0 in damages. Zero. Zilch. None. But the consulting firm had to find a new name, because the arbitrator said "if you are no longer associated with Arthur Anderson, you cannot use their name."

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  47. Addiction-Re:The attack on Phillip Morris. by Geek+In+Training · · Score: 2

    OK, so my coworkers are addicted to nicotine and get to take 3-5 15 minute smoke breaks outside every day?

    Well, I'm addicted to sex; I want to be able to cut out twice a day to screw my wife, girlfriend, hooker, etc. in the bushes next to the smoking area, Dammit!

    :) This is America! I want my equal freedoms!

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  48. Is that horse high enough for you? by dimator · · Score: 2

    You're calling 150 million americans brain-dead morons? YOU are "more intelligent" than those 150 million?

    It's a football game. It's ads that make most people laugh. And it's Brittney Spears. It's when we loosen our ties, and have some fun with friends.

    Elitism makes me puke. You don't like something, say you don't like it, but don't insult everyone else who might enjoy it.


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  49. Re:What would you do? by Zico · · Score: 2

    Hey, I love football and all, and I wouldn't complain about getting showered with 1000 dollar bills, but I think Bill Gates took the high road this week when he donated $100 million to AIDS research.

    On a related note, didn't one or more of the Slashdot guys say that they'd be donating some of the money they made on the VA Linux IPO? Did anything ever come of that? (Just curious, I really have no idea one way or the other.)

    Cheers,

  50. No lawsuit by Eric+Green · · Score: 2
    It actually never made it to court. I believe that several lawsuits were actually filed, but then the two parties decided to take it to binding arbitration rather than spend decades winding it through the courts. Anderson Consulting won in that they did not have to pay the $15 billion to Arthur Anderson that the partnership agreement said, but in exchange they had to give up the Anderson name. All in all, Anderson Consulting probably won here -- you can buy a lot of name recognition with $15 billion.

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  51. But they don't have ALL the ads! by SuperRob · · Score: 2

    They're missing the crucial Aliens "Whazzup!" ad! What the fuck ... I mean, probably one of the funniest ads and they don't even have it up to be rated. This is like the Florida Fucking Recount all over again ...

    1. Re:But they don't have ALL the ads! by antdude · · Score: 2

      Rob, they are still encoding and posting. I think they had to deal with server issues earlier. :(

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  52. Re:Why is this posted on Slashdot? by eclectro · · Score: 2

    My heart goes out to those people in India, and the Superbowl is "frivolous" compared to that tragedy any day.

    Being on the otherside of the world makes it remote enough that people can shut it out of their minds. But it would have been nice if their had been a moment of silence before the game, and it would have been bigger if the network had cancelled one of its "I love Raymond/monday lineup" ads and had given it to the Red Cross.

    The sad thing is that it seems to have bothered so few. What's more, our "moral" leader Dubya is falling behind other nations giving aid. If our nation gives a dime for federal aid, they should cut a check for this without "having to be asked."

    So yeah, the tragedy is not that people watched a game, but that so little consideration about the tragedy in India was given on the national level, or even at the game.

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  53. Re:Ads picks: by drix · · Score: 3

    You've got to be kidding me. That Cingular ad was ludicrous, bordering on offensive. It really sickened me to see them take what was a very cool and eye-opening short and parlay it into a sales-pitch for fucking cellular phones. I hate their name, I hate their logo, and now, I hate their advertising department as well. You've got to wonder what kind of "genious" overpaid, MBA-type moronic PHBs would sign off on not only that stupid, annoying name, but then pick that stupid paint-splotch of a logo, and then, come back for thirds and sign off on such a stupid, frivolous, and sometimes insulting advertising campaign. I for one think that whoever the guilty party is should be promptly fired or demoted to the mail room.

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  54. Re:The EDS 'running with the squirrels' by drix · · Score: 3
    Isn't that sort of the whole premise of Cingular? Something about this company has really rubbed me the same way. Lemme see if I can spell it out.
    1. SBC and BellSouth say: we aren't making enough money! How can we trick people into forking over more of it to us?
    2. Marketroid responds: let's merge and hire one of those big naming firms so come up with something distinctive that will stick in people's minds. Well pay them $2 million dollars in return for a 6-11 letter word. Just like Agilent! Yeah!
    3. Dumb, naive, MBA-educated, spoon-fed presidents of SBC & BellSouth respond: Yeah! This should help us maximize market capitalization through strategic synergizing while at the same time optimizing and streamlining our labor pool to eliminate duplicity (read: layoffs). Yeah!
    4. Marketroid responds: also, since the product we are trying to sell is about as common as, say, air, in the United States, we need to implement a new, metaphorical marketing campaign based on freedom of expression and personal liberty. This should help potential customers to forget that 3 out of every 5 of them already have a cellular phone. Yeah!
    5. MBAs: Yeah!
    6. Marketroid: one more thing: we're going to concoct some touching shorts using a gifted artist afflicted with multiple sclerosis. In their minds, people will equate this man's triumph of passion & communication over enormous physical difficulties with our cell-phones. Then they'll want to buy more cell-phones. Yeah!
    7. MBAs: Word! ... so who's up for steak?
    Everything about this company screams of "profit-motive, profit-motive, profit-motive." It's like, how dumb do they think we are?

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  55. Epidemiology 101 by rjh · · Score: 2
    First rule of epidemiology:
    1. Until you've found someone suffering from the disease, you haven't found the disease.
    How is this relevant to the epidemiology of smoking? Namely, that while the link between lung cancer and smoking is well-established, the link between secondhand smoke and mortality is far less so.

    If secondhand smoke kills tens of thousands of people each year, then why is it I don't know anyone who's died from secondhand smoke? How do they come up with these numbers of tens of thousands dying each year from it? Are those actual, clinical diagnoses of "you have lung cancer triggered by high exposure to secondhand smoke", or are those inferred mortality statistics?

    If those numbers are culled from aggregate diagnoses throughout the US, what's the criteria for diagnoses? If I live with a smoker and die of a virulent influenza (a respiratory ailment), does that get counted as a "secondhand smoke" death since "everybody knows that were it not for the secondhand smoke you wouldn't have fallen ill"?

    What if, instead of living with a smoker, I hang out after work a couple of nights a week in a smoke-filled bar?

    What if my only connection to tobacco smoke comes from walking out the side entrance at work and inhaling the fumes from the smokers there?

    The link between secondhand smoke and lung damage is far from certain. Most of the numbers on secondhand smoke are inferred numbers, not direct observations; and the criteria which are used to determine secondhand smoke illness are oftentimes arbitrary and shifting.

    There's a hell of a lot of politics surrounding tobacco nowadays. Best bet: doubt everything. Don't believe the hype from either side, whether that side be Philip Morris and RJR Nabisco, or whether that side be Truth.
  56. watching pro sports == idle process by Carmen+Electron · · Score: 2

    I'd live in a world without professional athletes in a second. Which is not to say a world without sports or entertainment - that would suck. But given the choice between pro sports and goatse.cx, I'm not too sure which one I'd pick.

    Too much of what's "Wrong With America" (TM) these days is that people are content to just sit back and watch other people do things that they'd like to be doing if they weren't so lazy/stupid/unmotivated. So-called Reality TV is really just the opposite. For a huge number of people, Reality TV would be a show consisting of some slob sitting on the couch watching sitcoms and sports. Really entertaining, isn't it. Instead, you get to watch other people having fun. Wow. Sign me up.

    Sure, it's entertaining, but it doesn't get you anywhere. You spend your welfare check or dotcom stock options on the biggest TV you can find and plop yourself down and veg for as long as you possibly can. Maybe I just don't get it either, but there's a reason the lowest common denominator just keeps getting lower, and it's not because too many people have stopped worshiping sports 'heroes' and gone out and done something useful with themselves. Why bother being successful myself if I can just go buy a jersey that looks just like one worn by someone who already made it. Even if I've never met them. All this for only $59.95? Woah.

    Comparing pro sports to art is like comparing a wastepaper basket to a landfill. Sure, watchin the game (having a bud, if you like) is something to do with spare brain cycles, but it's not entertainment. Go play a sport - that's fun, and probably good for you! Go look at some art - learn something, talk to people, run for office, hack an OS, but WHY sit on your ass paying your hard-earned cash to line the pockets of some multimillionaire who probably goes home every night and secretly laughs at you and your fellow sheep. Until he ODs on the coke your money bought him, or gets busted for raping/beating someone and becomes a great role model for your kids. After all, HE made it, and all you ever did was buy a replica of his shirt.

    So sure, go ahead, watch your little heroes run around in their spandex pants, have your little riots when your team loses/wins. I'm not going to try to stop you. But I sure as hell reserve the right to laugh at you.

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    1. Re:watching pro sports == idle process by Rombuu · · Score: 2

      Wow, you are so cool railing against the man. Can I suck your cock, please?

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  57. Re:Cingular by Metrol · · Score: 2

    Now they have to sell you a lifestyle adjunct... anybody else noticed the philosophical tripe that is advertising today?

    Nope. Going now on the second year of my forgetting to pay my cable bill on time. Haven't had any kind of broadcast tv into the house since then. This xmas I got an MP3 car stereo, so now I don't even listen to the radio very often. My only outlet to popular media is through the Internet, where I can damn well decide how to block the non-stop advertisements.

    What's really amazing is how little you actually miss by not watching TV all the time. Oh sure, I can't talk about a game involving 2 teams I have no emotional or geographic connection to, but somehow I still get by.

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  58. Re:It's sad... by Metrol · · Score: 3

    Couple of disclaimers before I get into this. First off, I didn't see the TV show in question. Secondly, I am a Gulf War veteran. Went over with the 1st TAC Fighter Wing out of Virginia with the very first deployments that occurred in August prior to actual combat.

    I just love it when folks get themselves thinking they understand something about foriegn affairs and economics start talking about this war. You evidently don't quite appreciate just how important either oil or Saudi is to us.

    Whether we like it or not, our entire way of life today is heavily dependant on a steady flow of oil. It affects pretty much every means of transportation, which in turn effects the cost of food and pretty much any other thing you might purchase. Ask anyone living in the north eastern part of the United States what happens to their quality of life when they can't afford heating oil. At a high enough cost, people die. When food is priced beyond the reach of the poor, people die. It sucks; our use of oil as a primary means for power is just stupid; but that's the reality in which we entered that war.

    As to the political reasons, we weren't going there to protect Kuwait. We were there to protect Saudi. Aside from the bulk of the oil fields that the US buys from being there, this is the hub of the entire Islamic world. 2 of the 3 holy places in Islam sit within the borders of Saudi. They had a couple of thousand troops sitting at their northern border heavily armed. Had we let that area of the world go to a wacko like Saddam, do you honestly think we'd continue to be a player there politically? This is especially important to note as we continue our efforts to negotiate peace treaties.

    Yes, we greedy American types went to fight a war about oil. Hell, I went to go fight a war about oil. And for that, the trucks that bring the food to your local grocery store can afford the gas to do so. Your momma can afford to actually by that food, and put the gas in the SUV that brought it home. Bunch of greedy capitalists.

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  59. Re:It's sad... by Metrol · · Score: 2

    What annoyed me was that Gumbel guy went on about how these military guys made some sacrifice for their country.

    Yes we did. Good God, don't they teach any kind of history at those grad schools? Were you so insulated as to not have seen any news, or were you too busy getting drunk?

    What's REALLY sad is how folks such as yourself will go watch a movie about those events and assume it's an accurate telling of the history. I suppose reading a book or even a web page would be too much to ask.

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  60. Australian Rules Football by CarrotLord · · Score: 2
    I think that the fact that the ads in Superbowl are considered more interesting than the Superbowl itself speaks volumes about the quality of American Football... Here in Australia, we watch the Footy and get more beer in the Ad breaks...

    see some REAL MAN'S FOOTBALL

    :)

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  61. Cingular history... by weave · · Score: 3
    Once upon a time, Cellular was created, and God (the gov) said there'd be two carriers in each market, the "A" side and the "B" side. The baby bells got the B side and the A side went to various other companies, telcos, independants.

    Most of the As got together and franchised a name, Cellular One. They also created roaming agreements between them so they could compete with the less diverse B side (which is a good thing when you want seemless roaming).

    Then the various PCS and GSM outfits came along, and Bs started buying As and each other. Verizon (a mish mash of a helluva lot of telcos) eventually bought a cellular one franchise in Southeast U.S. and with it somehow the rights to the name Cellular One. This forced the other Cellular One franchiesees to rename their franchise.

    So now we have two of the biggest cell companies with two stupid names, Verizon and Cingular.

    But I have a feeling they may not have had much choice. These days, you look for an available domain name first, and then name your company, not the other way around! There probably isn't many domain names left that are less than 10 chars with a few vowels in them....

  62. The best commercials that never were by jesser · · Score: 2

    Found this great article through adnews.com: The best commercials that never were (National Post).

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  63. Irrational. by rjh · · Score: 2

    The only reason cigarette companies exist is because they were here a long time ago

    The only reason anything exists is because either (a) it was just created or (b) it's been around. What's your point?

    If your point is that tobacco would be considered a drug regulated by the FDA were it to be brought to market today, I repeat: what's your point? Aspirin (and other NSAIDs) are surprisingly potent analgesics and have low overdose levels. After I (accidentally) nearly overdosed on acetaminophen, my doc ruminated that, if aspirin and other NSAIDs were introduced to the market today, they'd be considered prescription drugs because of their potency and lethality.

    So if we're going to retroactively ban cigarettes because they're harmful, going against centuries of tradition, why don't we also retroactively turn aspirin and NSAIDs into prescription drugs?

    The answer is that in a country governed by the people, the people get to decide what's illegal and what's not. The people don't want cigarettes to be illegal, nor do they want aspirin to be a prescription drug.

    Thus, it won't happen.

    Period.

    Is it right to make billions of dollars off of a product that serves no purpose other than pacifying addictions?

    Why, let me get this straight. You want to ban the first cup of morning coffee, too? After all, that has "no purpose other than pacifying addictions".

    But let's not go there right now, because to go there gives your argument more credibility than it possesses. There is a useful purpose served by tobacco, other than fulfilling an addiction. The purpose is, I like it.

    I enjoy a stogie on occasion, once a month or two months, when something happens which is worth commemorating. It could be getting a software release out the door; it could be celebrating a birthday; it could be a stogie after a great baseball game. But for personal reasons, I smoke cigars to commemorate personal milestones.

    Am I addicted? Not if I can go six weeks without a Rothschild.

    Do I find tobacco useful? Certainly.

    So your argument--that there exists no useful purpose for tobacco other than to feed addictions--falls flat on its face. There are a lot, repeat, a lot of people like me. We smoke tobacco because we like it, not becuase we need to. We drink single-malt Scotch because we enjoy the taste of a premium liquor, not because we're alcoholics.

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  64. Re:Ads picks: by Tackhead · · Score: 2
    >That Cingular ad was ludicrous, bordering on offensive. It really sickened me to see them take what was a very cool and eye-opening short and parlay it into a sales-pitch for fucking cellular phones.

    As the most politically-incorrect person I know...

    As the guy who said "Whoa, cool!" at the Christopher Reeves ad - while other PC types were saying it exploited the disabled.

    Even I found the Cingular ad disappointing. Excellent Public Service Announcement. Would have fit in great with the Accenture "Now it gets interesting" theme and gotten a "wow, cool!" from me.

    His self-expression through his art, overcoming his motor dysfunction, was damn cool.

    But to go the extra leap and say that he could overcome his speech impediment and "express himself" over a Cingular cellphone was an insult - not so much to the audience - but to the guy and his art.

    The disability had nothing to do with it - imagine Picasso/Beethoven coming on TV and saying that a cellphone was just as useful a tool for self-expression as a paintbrush/orchestra. Puh-leeze.

    (My vote for the winner: The sock puppet. "Invest Wisely" - E*Trade and discount brokers having been a big part of the message last year that "if you get an account with us, you don't need good research assistance, any average Joe can make $BIGNUM in the markets!". Oh, the irony!)

  65. Re:what is this? by KahunaBurger · · Score: 3
    The Super Bowl doesn't have a large pre-teen girl audience, which is exactly why they brought in the boy bands, so that they could increase their ratings among those demographics. The hard core football fans are going to be watching anyway. It's the same reason why the networks ruin their sports coverage by giving us all those sappy personal profiles -- it gives the female audience that normally wouldn't turn in a reason to watch.

    uh, yeah. "I hate sports, but gee, they have sappy personal profiles of people I don't care about. better tune in!"

    I know some women who were planning on watching the Bowl, and they either a) really REALLY liked football and couldn't wait to see the game, b) were in an office pool, or c) thought the commercials might be cool. In other words, the exact same reasons men were planning on watching.

    Its possible that once they are watching, women like the profiles more than men (though hero worship is pretty thick amoung football watching guys, so I wouldn't bet on it) but you have the cause and effect mixed up. Women have constituted a good chunk of superbowl viewers for years, the sponsors are just now waking up and considering that part of their audience.

    Like I said, the yuppies commercial was funny, but I wonder what the reaction would've been if parallel racial stereotypes would've been played with. Say, a takeoff of those student achievement commercials with black kids inventing a new kind of pager with which to sell drugs, or an Ebonics spelling bee. Somehow I don't think they'd be seen with such good humor...

    yeah, funny how poking fun at people on the top of the heap is taken better than kicking those already at the bottom. Who would have thunk it? (sarcasm off)

    Didn't see the commercial, but I'm curious how much "racial" stereotyping was actually going on as opposed to class stereotyping. The latter has always been very common in "blue collar" humor, the former much rarer.

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  66. Re:Running with the Squirrels by Fishstick · · Score: 2

    >Anything that anyone likes can't be any good.

    Right. Prime example - AOL :-P

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  67. Re:It's sad... by Metrol · · Score: 2

    Feel free to read my other reply. More importantly, you might try reading a book or two.

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