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Bonsaikitten Eaten By Carnivore
Two nuggets from the FBI today - this: "Freedom of speech apparently doesn't apply to some topics. Take cute animals, for example. If it had been BonsaiSloth.com, we probably wouldn't seeing this." And this: "It seems that the FBI is changing Carnivore's name to "DCS1000" apparently because it 'made the system sound like a predatory device made to invade people's privacy'. I'm sure a snide remark about "truth in advertising" fits here."
I have recently learned the art of the Bonsai Kitten taught to me by my grandfather Tai Mai Choo. This method has allowed me to develop many of my own.
My primary method is what I call the Spider Kitten. In this method, the kittens' feet are tied with four nylon strings. The end of each string is streched to a point in which 4 small 5 foot high posts reside. There are four posts total; for each leg. The kittens' paws are tied to each of these posts for a period of 3 weeks. However, you must tighten the strings a little each day to avoid the legs from growing above the kittens' heads'. Proper feeding is required. After the 3 week period is up, the kitten is set free.
We have sucess fully grown kittens with legs up to 48 inches per leg. The cat can now almost stand face to face with it's master. It is a very painless process for the kitten. And I hope these cats will be adored and loved in your home.
WARNING: These kittens are NOT recommended to people with large quantaties of furniture. This is due to the fact that these kittens have an unusual way of marking their territory with their claws.
We also recommend that you keep these kittens on a leash, for the tend to run very fast, and are hard to catch.
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sing it to dire straights money for nothing
I want my Bonziakitten.....
Now look at them yo-yo's
that's the way you do it
You stuff a kitten on your lab table
That ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
Now that ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya that guys not dumb
Maybe get a cat bite on your little finger
Maybe get a claw on your thumb
we got to drill some breating holes
Custom jars with garuanteed deliveries...
We gotta move these big old cats
We gotta move these breathing tubess....
I shoulda learned to stuff the cat
I shoulda learned to drill some holes
Look at that peta person ,
she got it stickin' her nose in my door
Man we could have some fun
And she's up there,
what's that? Calaco perrs?
Bangin' on the lid
like a chimpanzee
That ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
We gotta move these big old cats
We gotta move these breathing tubess....
This is a workin'
that's the way you do it
you stuff your kinnen on the desk top
That ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
kittens are for nothing
and and the jars are free
I want my Bonziakitten
I want my Bonziakitten
I want my Bonziakitten
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Alas, Scott Adams has already copyrighted the GruntMaster 6000 so this was obviously their fallback. Btw, doesn't "DCS" bear a scary aural resemblance to "DeCSS"?
The conclusion of your syllogism, I said lightly, is fallacious, being based on licensed premises
My feeling was that both the major parties ignored young people in their conventions, and exclusively targetted families and seniors, hence we saw some pro-censorship agendas from both sides.
However, I don't really see what vegetarianism has to do with censorship though -- I'm afraid the relevance of that remark escapes me.
As usual, the typical anti-law-enforcement knee-jerk reaction from /. people. FBI is OBLIGATED to investigate this site that apparently violates a federal law, whether this site seems to be a dumb satire or not based on common sense. FBI is not arresting anyone - they are investigating to SEE whether the site is for real violation of the law or not.
If I posted pictures of dismembered people on my web site, would YOU know whether i'm being a sick moron or a psycho serial killer? And if you claim to know, i'd like to find out where did you get your Ph.D. in psychology from, as well as what criminal profiling jobs have you had, since Joe "this is obviusly not for real" Average Slashdotter simply doesn't have suficient background to be able to distinguish between the two - yes, most likely it's simply a sick prank but you never know 100% sure.
Oh, and didn't Jeffrey Dalhmer start out with pets too? I shot off an e-mail to my psych-educated friend to clarify if this is a verifiable trend but I expect it to be so.
Yes, if this was a prank and FBI actually harrasses the idjits after verifying this, this would become a First Amendement issue. Right now itr is not.
-DVK
"The right to figure things out for yourself is the only true freedom everyone shares. Go use it"-R.A.Heinlein
"Society got to the point where we couldn't offend anyone, the Irish, Jewish, Cat-lovers, Dog-lovers, etc, etc..."
It's not about racial groups, it's about animal abuse...human cruelty.
Time after time what was before seen as a form of entertainment is later identified as a form of brutality and abolished.
Look at the Roman empire and the Coliseum, I am sure at that time there were people that thought that was a horrible show while most of the mob thought it was fun thing to watch.
Look at slavery....
Look at cannibalism...
Look at human sacrifices...
Look at genocide...
Look at animal experiments (yes they are nastier than you might imagine)...
Those were all acceptable in their time by people like you and rejected by people like me. I'm glad people that think cruelty is not human right are the ones shaping the world.
BTW...I'm a vegan
Everyone who is against this site makes the same argument, "What if a child sees and does it?". This is just another case of America forgetting it's up to parents to raise their children. I just can't believe the FBI is acting this insane.
If they go after these guys for encouraging cruelty to animals, I won't have faith in our justice system until they go after the producers of Hannibal for encouraging cruelty to humans.
Yes, nothing says to your girlfriend "your sexy" like giving her a Klein bottle for Valentine's Day.
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Carmack is an elitist, pseudonerd bastard.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
This looks an awfully lot like all the sites that have tried Schrödinger's Cat Experiment. Explained here and tested over there.
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I think you're missing the point here. I, like most of the people here find it on the offensive side, and if in the right mood, would fire off an email stating just that opinion. However, in the case of this website, we're talking about a federal investigation into a site that is obviously doctored photographs which anyone with a copy of Photoshop/Gimp/etc. could throw together in a short period of time. I've found images that are much closer to being illegal on rotten.com than the site in question.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
Er, since I'm addressing the humor-impaired, I should probably point out that http://www.kleinbottle.com is a joke as well.
No it's not, A friend ordered one from them and he's drunk beer out of it! It comes with a couple of sides of A4 about what to do if you're exporting it into any universe which has more or less than three dimensions (consult a registered quantum mechanic etc.).
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and I think this site is fucking hilarious. In the 19 years on this earth I have grown enough to know when someone is making a joke for the sake of how ridiculous it is, and I can laugh.
Part of me hopes the site is a commentary on how pet lovers really do raise their pets. . . but the humor is a little to unsophisticated for that.
SURE! And tux being sodomized by the freeBSD
daemon(demon?).
Thats the point, right there, in a nutshell.
In this country (and I speak of the us here.)
Free speach is legal. Censor one thing, and you
quickly open a flood gate of other possible
things to censor. Including you.
So before people start to get uptight about this
realize, that your views my be eccentric and
offensive to somebody else. Of course,
unless your a tapocia head in 451F.
If that ever happens to me, somebody, please,
shoot me, for to be tamed, is to be dead.
www.cat-scan.com
It's hilarious. If you look at the scans, the majority of the cats just seem confused as to why they are sitting on a piece of glass. Most calm cats will stay wherever you put them for at least a few seconds, they they will leave if they wish. I don't think it's that cruel. I think some people go a little overboard, but people have been cruel to animals for ages, I don't think that websites like this are promoting anything new. At least they don't have pictures of two cats tied to eachother by the tail and thrown over a clothesline. That was the worst thing I saw as a kid.
The people who are calling for this site to be taken down are the same people who call for the Green Bay Packers to change their name because it is cruel to animals.
It sounds like the site owner could have put a "this is a joke" disclaimer at the bottom of the page, but didn't because he wanted to read enraged responses and laugh at the senders. That's not very ethical by my standards -- especially when the content of the site might lead someone to hurt cats, or even if a it would lead a cat-lover to *think* that someone might hurt cats after seeing the site. Plenty of web surfers wouldn't be tipped off by "rectilinear" or "klein bottle" and immediately figure out that the site is a joke.
I haven't actually seen the website -- I'm just going by the linked articles, so I could be wrong about the facts. (Also, for now, I'll stay out of the debate over whether it was right for the FBI to shut down the site.)
The shareholder is always right.
Freedom of speech apparently doesn't apply to some topics.
Right. And as soon as you forget your starry-eyed idealism, you'll probably accept it.
I'm really getting sick of Slashdot for this very reason. This is absolutely correct - freedom of speech does not apply to all topics. You can't lawfully plot the assassination of the president, you can't lawfully say or write damaging things about people that you know are false, you can't lawfully sell a canned soda drink and call it Coca Cola, etc., etc.
Some restriction is necessary to keep our economy running smoothly, to keep some semblance of order, and to keep things fair and just.
I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death, blah, blah, blah... Don't make me ill. I'd never defend to the death the right of someone put up a web site about squishing kittens into Mason jars - my family is too important to me to do that.
Don't get me wrong - freedom of speech is the best default for making a judgment on what is lawful to say. But you know what? I have a favorite limitation on free speech - an overriding principle. The Supreme Court of the United States said it in their judgment on Ginsberg v. New York, 390 U.S. 629: "the parents' claim to authority in their own household to direct the rearing of their children is basic in the structure of our society." They were saying that New York was not at fault for making criminal the selling of pornographic material to minors.
Just some stuff for you starry-eyed idealists to think about.
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Here's one that's already ready already:
Squirrel Fishing.
Fist Prost
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Fist Prost
"We're talking about a planet of helpdesks."
-Jaron Lanier
I grew up in a small town where people didn't just make off-color jokes about flaming cats being thrown off bridges, some of them had really done it. Two guys who had dowsed a cat in gasoline, lit it on fire, and threw it off a 300 foot bridge were caught (they bragged in public) and eventually sentenced to 6 months (the max). Two years later they were both convicted for murder after breaking into a farm house and raping, torturing (for over a day), and killing the occupants. I knew people who bragged about beating cats in burlap bags with baseball bats. A friend had a cat that returned home one night with a plastic bag over its head, tied at the neck. It was hacking up blood and died on the way to the vet. The people responsible for that also thought it was pretty funny and got quite a few laughs out of it. People like this really would try to grow a cat in a jar if they were a little more creative.
Now, after that rant, let me say it again: if this is just a joke, they have every right to offend me with it. I don't have to look. But it is not at all obvious to me that this is entirely a joke, and for that reason it warrants investigation.
He sells items very close to klein bottles. [Note - To understand explaination, please take a look at http://www.geom.umn.edu/zoo/toptype/klein/standard /stills.html. It gives a good view of a klein bottle's general shape]
The difference is that there is a hole in the glass klein bottles where the handle part reaches the body part of the bottle. In a true klein bottle, not such hole exists, and this is the reason a true klein bottle is impossible - The handle and the body of the bodle must intersect but not touch each other, meaning that a true klein bottle must enter a fourth dimension in order to correctly form this section of the bottle.
You think anyone at the FBI knows what a Klien bottle is?
INTEGRATED SYSTEMS DEVELOPMENT, INC. of Michigan ownes the trade mark. Can they sue the FBI?
The vast majority of people nowadays go about their daily routine ignoring and repressing most of their inner feelings and thoughts. Mostly due to societial/religious conditioning to keep those 'bad thoughts' out of their heads.
Along comes this site and people freak out...how could a 'human' do such a thing?? Worse still, how could a human even have a 'thought' like this?? Having been so conditioned to not even question that they themselves might have a 'dark-side'. There is no way they could ever conceive such a notion in their mind let alone do it.
Unfortunately the truth of the matter is (as most readers here know), we (humans) ARE capable of thinking and doing this sort of thing (...and worse). Of course thinking and acting on those thoughts are quite different. More people need to understand their own dark and violent nature to be able to control it and laugh at the cruel joke of it all.
The scary people out there are the ones who deny acknowledging their dark nature and then one day have it creep up and overtake them. Those are the people that would actually go and glue their cats anus shut and stuff them into a bottle. And later, after they are being hauled off to jail (or whatever), they are going "I don't know why I did it...". Neighbors saying "He seemed like such a nice person...".
More satire at our perverse nature wont desensitize us, it will allows us to better understand ourselves and lead more productive lives.
And for any trolls here from the humane society, sheesh read the sentence about them having a US government approved license for this...that should tip you to the joke of it all.
-not your normal AC
> Why should humor have to be clearly labeled as
:) ]
such?
A few years ago (96?) I referred to my Cat's
Death Stout on rec.crafts.brewing, not a place
noted for the humor-impaird. Particularly, I
mentioned that it had been a double-batch, but
that my cat had knocked the airlock out of one of
the bottles, leaving it open to infection.
Sone responded with a rather rabid message,
concluding that he hoped I choked to death on the
fur.
I started sending a caustic response, but thought
better of it. Sure enough, many others did,
pointing out that any idiot should have been able
to recognize I wasn't serious. [after all, it
wasn't like he ruined *both* carboys
hawk
DCS1000? Why, did they have a Y2K naming failure and DCS2000 rolled over to DCS1000? What kind of customer marketing decided on a 000 prefix? We should get better products from our government money. (Of course, I also don't appreciate the expense of their having to change all those Carnivor business cards, letterhead, pamphlets, and billboards)
heck, in 1984, there were something like 30 universal newsgroups--seems to me that they wouldn't quite fit on one screen, but didn't need two.
And you could read the days newsfeed in about two hours (yes, my consulting at the time had some *very* boring tasks that left me sitting in front of machines for a long time waiting to change disks).
I see a parallel to the ./ article earlier on virtual child pornography. People often claim that there is no slippery slope, but this is it in action. This is then next thing that they take our rights away from. And then it's another, and another, and another.
-no broken link
Jeez... anybody with cats know that they'll get into any container, no matter how big, just to see what's inside!
Why do you think there's such a problem with people accidentally killing their pets by locking them in the fridge or the dryer?
This is a funny site, that pokes much needed fun at breeders and collectors alike. If you *don't* get it and think this guy needs to be punished, then you have obviously never owned a cat.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
FreeRifle.com is obviously a joke, right? A witty (sort of) send-up of the idiotic companies we saw during the height of the internet business craze... Right?
Now I'm seriously considering putting a disclaimer on the page, which will ruin the parody.
Of course, this assumes that there is no actual cruelty occuring.
Dude, have you seen the site? They put a kitten in a wide-mouth glass mason jar, and took a photo. In another photo, they've covered a full grown cat with a clear pyrex mixing bowl.
Guess what? None of that is cruel. It's not even close. You can't hurt a kitten by putting it in a wide-mouth mason jar for the few seconds it takes to snap a photo. Hell, if you have a laid back kitten, or you've pumped it full of enough catnip before hand, the kitten probably won't even care.
The cat under the pyrex bowl probably did care, of course -- after the photo was snapped, and the bowl taken off,the cat probably expressed its extreme displeasure by rolling over, or going to sleep on top of the refridgerator, or by sitting on the window sill for a while.
Seriously, there's nothing on the site that indicates any kind of cruelty to anything. Putting a pyrex bowl over your cat for a few seconds is no more cruel to the cat than the cat is cruel to you by kneading your chest with its sharp pointy claws while you're trying to read the newspaper. The cat's certainly not hurt, and is at the worst slightly annoyed with you for a few minutes. Big deal. There's real stuff to be concerned about in the world.
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
Well... I'm a cat fanatic, and so logically I _ought_ to be offended. But on the other hand, I find 'Dysfunctional Family Circus' hysterically funny, and that is at least as sick if not more so. Therefore, I am forced to accept that bonsaikitten.com is funny too- if melonheaded mutant children are funny, then so are cube-shaped kittens. ;)
Great! Now they are using a CD coping service for reading people's email?
Mark Duell
Yes it would. It would have detracted from the fun. And why should they detract from the fun to pander to the less intelligent?
No, I don't. I think a criminal investigation should only be launched when there's actual evidence that a crime has been committed. In this case, a corpse or missing person.
It's hardly the same. 911 is for reporting emergencies. The web is for fetching information from remote servers. No guarantees are made that the information is serious or accurate.
Instead of putting a disclaimer on the web site, let's put a disclaimer in the web browsers. Dialog box: "Danger! You are entering the World Wide Web! You may be trolled or offended. Click 'Accept' to continue." I'm assuming that idiots don't use lynx.
*sigh* I thought the Klein Stein would've been kind of a neat, geeky thing to own. Sure, since it's an object in three space it's not really a klein bottle, but who cares?
After checking the site, and going to the order page, I don't think it's a joke. The ordering instructions are just the kind of cobbled together thing I'd expect out of a place like that. Thank goodness I'll be able to get my Klein Stein someday. :-)
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bonsaikitten is too good of a parody, to the point where a person of average intelligence will not think it's a parody.
Therefore, the protection of freedom of speech is limited in cases where the quality of the speech is too good.
The conclusion that one must necessarily draw about this case, and many many others, is that the USA's focus is shifting: from one that necessarily protected certain freedoms, to one that only protects politically viable viewpoints.
Can you think of anything more dangerous?
Now the government wants to prevent you from watching pussies.
(and eating meat is bad if I understand well)
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I found myself simultaniously laughing and disgusted at the same time. I had a difficult time discerning if its a parody or if they're actually serious about it. But guess what. Its just words and pictures on a screen. I hadn't heard a thing about it until someone told me about it and I'm no more likely to stuff my cat into a jar than I was before I found the site.
As far as I'm concerned, if no cats were actually harmed during the making of the site, I don't care at all. If the cats were dead before inserting them, I don't care. If they were alive but not in pain, I don't care.
My point is this. This is the first time I ever heard anything about this. Even if this was some underground activity, I probably would have heard SOMETHING about it before. This improves the likelyhood that its only a parody and I intend to treat it as such. If there are those in the world that would be inclined to stuff their cats into a jar after reading that site, we probably have much worse things we need to worry about from those people than bonsai cats.
In other news, I find people who are extreme animal rights supporters, or at least supporters of all the animals that are fuzzy and cute, to overreact in a big way to anything that even remotely threatens something thats cute and fuzzy.
I remember the website about cat scanning that had them in an uproar because it was in some way scaring the cats or something. Everytime I take my cat to the vet, it gets all worked up. But that doesnt' mean I don't take it in every year to get its shots. At least I love my cat.
Did you know, animal rights supporters out there, that there are orginizations that you actually support that are KILLING those cute fuzzy little kitties?? YES! Its happening every day all across the USA. The SPCA will KILL those cute fuzzy kitties. Of course, the more PC term is euthinization (sp??) but the end result is the same. Yet nobody seems to complain. I can't imagine why. See that cute cow out there in the field, eating grass. It goes "MOO" you know. It shits on the ground and smells bad. Well, somebody someday is going to kill that cow and carve it up and stick it between two pieces of bread and you're going to eat it. YES. Just think MOO whenever you eat that tasty hamburger.
Cute little chicken. Adorable. Mmmm.. Nuggets.
Where are the protesters???
Froglegs Yummy. Disecting frogs in class. Where are the protestors? Didn't you know that frogs are cute, although they're not paticularly fuzzy. Come on people. PROTEST!
I had pet rats once. Of course, I didn't buy them as pets.. I had purchased them as snakefood, but the snake must not have been hungry for rat, so I ended up with two pet rats. That evil snake was going to eat those cute little rats. Pet stores all over the place will sell cute little rats and cute little mice just so they can be fed to evil snakes. But nobody seems to be protesting.
Yet if I even considered the possibility of feeding a kitty to a snake, letting that snake wrap around it, and suffucate it to death, and announcing that fact to the world, there would be mobs of angry protestors beating down my doors. I can't imagine the big deal, but there you go.
Of course, I would never feed a kitty to a snake. But I have no doubt that a snake that was big enough would try to eat it, and I certainly couldn't fault the snake for trying, as its only doing what nature has instructed it to do.
Of course, just wait. I was joking about there being no protesters against eating cows. There are. Plenty. They're just not quite as vocal yet. Soon enough though we're going to see that songs like "Carrotjuice is murder" won't be so funny anymore. They'll be candidates for National Anthem replacements.
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I laughed, it's a joke, my damn cats get their heads in the smallest of glasses. BTW, if they really are locking cats in jars then they should be punished. But I think that most people aren't that dumb. From the amount of effort put into the site, I would imagine this is all a silly spoof, they some one took a little too far
http://monkeyserver.com --- weeeeee
Snopes had a page on this not too long ago, and I'be been watching it ever since... There are a goodly number of groups that are trying to fight this. All of them are fucking ridiculous, but what can you do.
If you want a place to troll the fuck out of, I highly suggest This message board, a group devoted to the love of kitties, and how bonzaikitten.com is evil, how would they like to be stuffed in jars, etc...
It's fucking ridiculous. It's exactly what was said in Farenheit 451... Society got to the point where we couldn't offend anyone, the Irish, Jewish, Cat-lovers, Dog-lovers, etc, etc... Until finally, we had to censor everything, and everything had to turn to tapioca bullshit just to make everyone happy.
Fuck that. This site is fucking hilarious, and needs to stay.
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A mathematician named Klein
Said "The Moebius strip is divine!
And if you glue
The edges of two
You'll get a weird bottle like mine."
--
Knowledge is power
Power corrupts
Study hard
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
(And real education includes learning about mathematics, chemistry, physics, economics and all that "hard stuff" which is obviously a foreign language to so many leftists. They'd prefer to label it "bourgeois" or "not part of their way of knowing" and ignore it.)
Yes, all leftists are stupid and lazy. Way to make an argument. Just because we don't fall for the bull that money is the only thing that matters in life.
I don't have anything against profits and neither do most leftists, what we object to is profits before anything else. Such as Nike transferring it's manufacturing to Far-Eastern sweatshops, or McDonnell-Douglas selling arms to the Chinese that are then used in the oppression of it's people.
Anyway leftists are much more respectful of people's rights to behave. You don't hear left-wing politicians denouncing homosexuals for example. I, for one, couldn't care less what anyone else does, so long as they don't hurt or otherwise abuse someone else.
I wish Americans would stop associating the left wing with totalitarian communism. It's just as ludicrous as comparing George W Bush with Hitler.
Jered Floyd, a recent MIT graduate, says animal rights activists -- who have successfully pressured hosting services to ban bonsaikitten.com until rotten.com offered it server space -- don't have a sense of humor.
"The First Amendment protects all speech, no matter how offensive some people may find it," Floyd says. "The site is clearly a humorous endeavor. The fact that a number of people seem to have very little sense of humor isn't relevant."
This is of course not true. Certain forms of speech (or expression) are NOT protected, such as incitement to riot, slander, libel, yelling "FIRE!!" in a crowded theater (I'm not even sure if that's okay if there really *is* a fire, you're still supposed to try to get everyone out calmly, I think), and death threats via the mail. All of these (and a few more) have been determined by the various courts over the years to not be protected speech.
That said, bonsaikitten.com is clearly satire, and is (and should remain) protected speech.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Had you read the story, you would know the whole site is a joke. No kittens were harmed, only photoshop images.
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I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Because vegetarians are all trying to undermine society by putting the meat trade out of business, therefore having an anti-corporate agenda. Remember that the left-wing are all communists and you know that communists censor everything, not like that nice Mr Hitler. The rabid anti-left sentiment of some people amazes me, as if believing in human rights over profits was something to be ashamed of.
...I can't think of a better example myself. It's almost amusing and at the same time sad to see how people feel that jokes like this are somehow real and/or enourage others to commit acts of cruelty
If you're sick enough to put cats in a bottle, then I seriously doubt you were of sound mind and judgement before you saw this web site. If you actually believed this was real, then you're gulliable. People, come on, lighten up.
It's almost ironic how pictures of people being beaten, tortured, brutally killed, and dead on autopsy tables can be readily found on the Internet, but put a fake picture of a kitty on a bottle up and you've got hell. This is a very clear indication of the backward priorities and lack of critical thought our society possesses.
Trolls make great pets. Adopt one today!
Deconstructionism and Political Correctness are both leftist inventions. There are legions of tales of students in universities who are afraid to contradict the PC party line in their classes because of the harassment they'd experience. That's oppression.
Did I mention the number of apparently-serious leftist rants which display complete ignorance of little matters like the Second Law of Thermodynamics? The number of English and Poli Sci majors out there who think that you can get something for nothing by agitating the legislature or running a plebiscite is amazing.
(Add grammar to that list of deficiencies... the possessive pronoun "its" has no apostrophe.) What's wrong with moving work to plants in El Salvador or Vietnam? Don't people with brown skins and slanted eyes have a right to take a job making stuff for North American consumers? If they had anything better, you'd expect they'd take it; saying that Nike or whoever is doing them wrong when there are so many eager takers is equivalent to telling those people that they should starve while someone in the USA (who has much better prospects and almost certainly will not go hungry regardless) should do unskilled work.Ditto this thing about MacDac etc. If the French are willing to sell oppressive crap to the Chinese, we might as well undercut them. Why let them profit from undermining the pressure that trade sanctions can put on human-rights violators?
Are they now? Isn't it lefist students on various campuses who persistently violate the free-speech rights of people with whom they disagree, by heckling their speakers out of auditoria and destroying print runs of their newspapers? I'm not talking about protests against people's actions, I'm talking about trying to keep them from having their views heard. That's respect? Or is it some PC re-definition, where it's contempt if it's done to you, but respect if you do it to others?That's what I keep hearing about the political left. I have no sympathy for it or any of its adherents until they give their views and actions the same level of criticism they aim at others.
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Knowledge is power
Power corrupts
Study hard
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
You called me stupid and lazy which is nothing more than an insult. You then proceed to take issue with a typo as if it proves your point. You then imply that I'm a racist, even though leftist politics are totally against this. People in the Far East have a right to work in the safe conditions with the same employment rights as those enjoyed by Western factory workers. This is not what they get.
As for arms sales to China, 'someone else will do it if we don't' is the usual justification for something unjustifiable. The Chinese is one of the most repressive around and yet instead of trying to change this through subtle application of economic pressure, it's a free-for-all and to hell with the Tibetans and those who were massacred in Tiananamen Square (and if that's spelled wrong so what). To paraphrase your earlier argument, don't people with brown skins and slanty eyes have a right not to be brutally murdered with western-made weapons.
Finally, I've seen many more leftists harassed for expressing their views than rightists. I've seen racist thugs attack a peaceful demonstration against racism which is a bit nastier than mere heckling.
I have total contempt for the political right who think that if you're poor, sick, disabled or otherwise disadvantaged then tough luck.
PC has not gone too far. When I was at school 15 years ago racist abuse was the norm. Now anyone who makes a racist comment is immediately slapped down because it's totally unacceptable and quite right too. This isn't extremism, it's common decency. I don't see what the second law of thermodynamics has to do with politics at all, it's merely physics and would exist whether the human race did or not.
Maybe we should put up a similar website BonsaiSpook.com with FBI agents crammed into jars =:-)
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What I see is you and thousands of others crying that what those poor folks in Vietnam and El Salvador have isn't good enough for you, even though it's better than anything they had before. There's no recognition of the fact that you have to start somewhere, and that perfection is impossible but progress is always achievable. The insistence on perfection is indistinguishable in practice from demanding that nothing be done.
I own and wear a "Democracy for China" T-shirt, that I bought with my own money. So there. (I also own and wear a button which says "The Second Amendment isn't about hunting. It's about Tienanmen Square." Chew on that for a while.) But I don't see the point in letting a French or Belgian company profit from their governments' refusal to join a sanctions regime against human-rights abusers. If they are going to undercut the viability of sanctions as a tool to advance human rights, they shouldn't have the field to themselves. That's just rewarding them for their lack of morals. I'm all for sanctions, and everyone in the Western democracies joining them. I'm also for cutting the legs out from under those who prevent this from happening. And have you ever seen them given official immunity for blatant acts of vandalism? I refer you to this page about the University of Pennsylvania, which includes this thumbnail sketch of the incident in question: Right-wing demagogues and vandals get prosecuted, left-wing demagogues and vandals get plaudits. Where's the balance? From the same page on U-Penn: If that isn't too far for you, you've got a serious problem with your eyesight, and I'm not the only one who thinks so. Take a look at this commentary for the POV of an avowed leftist who taught in Nicaragua under the Sandidistas; he happens to agree with me on the pernicious nature of Political Correctness, deconstructionism and the notion of social construction.--
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Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Once again, this seems to raise the age-old issue of morales vs. freedom of speech.
In this case, the Federal Government(FBI) is attempting to push the morales of the "Common man"(tm). By making a satire site a federal crime, they're attempting to successfully criminalize freedom of speech on the 'Net.
In my not-so-humble opinion, this results directly from the always-present push by the majority to make everyone conform to various community morales, be they religious, spiritual or just plain "We hate people who would even think of hurting kittens!".
I sincerely hope that the FBI does not prosecute, and if so, I sincerely hope that the court finds the owners of bonsaikittens.com wholly innocent. To do anything but is to set a dangerous precedent -- that our rights are rights only as long as they don't offend anyone and aren't strange.
They change the name of Carnivore the same time that MS changes the name of Whistler. :)
Coincidence? I think NOT!
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Or perhaps the site is just a cheap shot at cat lovers for being so silly. Sort of like reading James Joyce - you can interpret it on so many levels. Whether you agree or not, though, doesn't give you the right to censor it.
From what I could tell, the pictures didn't need to be altered. At the very most, when a kitten was already in the jar, they could have pushed it from the other end and taken the picture at the same time. That is still a little dicomforting but is really nowhere near animal cruelty.
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Of course, this assumes that there is no actual cruelty occuring. If that is not the case, then an appropriate punishment for those responsible would involve a locked room and several hungry tigers.
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
For the past 4 or 5 years, I've been making (and selling) 3-dimensional immersions of Klein Bottles. Many mathematicians own them; they assure me that a Klein Bottle can indeed be immersed (but not embedded) in 3-D.
I thank slashdot readers for their support of my micro-business. I won't get rich as a zero-volume bottle maker, but I'm having plenty of fun.
"With the existing plain old telephone system, the FBI can only tap a few lines at a time. With Carnivore, they can tap everybody's emails all the time, which is unconstitutional/generally bad."
One of the arguments I see on slashdot for napster runs along the lines:
"Bloody RIAA. They can't keep the genie in the bottle. New technology allows people to get there hands on loadsa music."
Now come on people, you can't have it both ways... Is it ok for everybody to exploit new technology as they see fit? FBI included. Or perhaps at least one of these knee-jerk reactions isn't sensible?
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I think that trolling often plays a critical role in discussion boards. It can force us to reexamine our opinions, remeber why we originally formed our opinions, and consider the merits of alternative opinions. Without trolls discussion would stagnate and ideas would never be fully explored. People that get really worked up over trolls that simply put forth non-party-line ideas are the ones that really need trolling.
All the natalieportmanbeowulfgoatse.cxhotgrits crap is just noise not real trolls.
"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!"
These guys trolled the FBI! I came across the Bonsai Kitten site a while ago, and just by reading the text, I was able too see that this site was a joke. The massive amounts of hate mail this site gets (which was also funneled to a mailing for site fans to read) is just indicative of how many stupid and/or gullible people there are surfing the Web. But for the FBI to take this site seriously, that is just an embarrassment.
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Ie, I'm not going to let them get away with that name change.
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Sorry. Names in scientific fields, where the stakes for fame are so high, don't readily come to mind.
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Carmack is an elitist, pseudonerd bastard.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
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Disclaimer: that poor sap is not an FBI agent (that I know of). I found him on that "Am I a total raving dork, or not? Why don't I put my ugly mug in front of thousands of people!" site, glass bottle courtesy essentialsupplies.com. There, now I can't be sued.
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Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
Er, since I'm addressing the humor-impaired, I should probably point out that http://www.kleinbottle.com is a joke as well.
MSK
Salinger sights R. H. Blyth's definition of sentimentallity as "when we give to a thing more tenderness than God gives to it." Salinger's example is then given as "God undoubtedly loves kittens, but not, in all probability, with Technicolor booties on their paws."
(try not to get too caught up in the word God... this does not have to be a religious statement) Basicly all I'm trying to say with Salinger's words (because he does have the ability to be a lot more straight forward than myself) is that when it comes to kittens many people lose the ability to observe things rationally. But before you judge these people too hard think if you do the same thing yourself. Did Pay it Forward "move" you? Or did you believe that Traffic was a "powerful" movie?
If so then you have fallen for the same crime. Pay it Forward seemed to move you because it kills a child in the last 5 minutes which the audience responds to with sentiment. And Traffic associates itself with a very important argument but in itself does not have a strong plot, characters, or pasing but because we see strength in the argument we see strengths in the movie which simply aren't there. All I'm trying to point out is that we all show a lack of objectivity at times when it comes to sentiment but that doesn't mean we should be chastized for it. Ofcourse there are those who will over react to images of kittens so lets point out their error and move on. And maybe we can even learn from their mistakes.
Ofcourse if they try to defend themselves then we can flame them.
Didn't you recognize the guestbook entry by the esteemed ex MIT professor, Dr. Lirpa? Dr. Lirpa has made a great number of breakthroughs, including in the field of hydrodynamics, audiodynamics, political theology, and aerodynamics, among others. Dr. Lirpa is not a force to be trifled with.
At only a few weeks of age, a kitten's bones have not yet hardened and become osseous. They are extremely soft and springy. In fact, if you take a week-old kitten and throw it to the floor, it will actually bounce! We do not recommend that you try this at home. The kitten may bounce under the furniture and be difficult to retrieve, as well as covered in unsightly household dust
I actually laughed out loud when I read this. I mean, come ON! How stupid do you have to be not to see this is a joke? Could it be any more deadpan?
And I don't for a second buy the argument that parody invites people to harm their pets. The REAL problem with pets these days are owners who don't take care of them properly, let them get hurt, breed indescriminately, and generally treat them as poorly as they treat their human pets, er.. children.
I found cat-drowing scenes in the movie Gummo to be truly disturbing, but I didn't for a SECOND think that the film should be banned and the producers brought to trial. How ridiculous!
The animal rights people can't develop a functioning sense of humour, they should at least be a little more tolerant.
The FBI needs to get a fucking grip.
We thieves, we liars, we vandals, and poets. Networked agents of Cthulhu Borealis.
I simply cannot believe that the FBI has subpoenaed this site.
/. laboratories, so we can all feel proud of ourselves. In my opinion, flames, trolls, bonsai kittens, and natalieportmanhotgritsdinnerplatesizedgoat pics are
But, to them, this may look a lot like that old 'Date Rape' site that gave tips and helpful hints on how to get your girl down (should be illiegal? ask your judge). Or perhaps they could put it in the same category as virtual kiddie porn (I think this should be illegal, but thats my opinion).
You know, 'we're not judges, we can't tell if its illegal or not, let's just appease the meowies of the world by doing what we do best: harrassing the crap out of people we don't like.'
People need to lighten up, and the FBI needs to stop supporting such tight-sphincter behavior. If I was the site owner, I wouldn't worry, but if this man is prosecuted for Anything, we all should protest.
On a side note, troll technology was developed right here in
"The Cost of Doing Business in a Free America"
but Carnivore and Echelon shouldn't be.
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"It's totally promoting animal cruelty," Allanach said. "They consider it a sick joke. People will take it seriously. Animal cruelty is not funny."
And how many of the same people watch TV shows where cops shoot at bad guys or people drive recklessly? It's not entertainment, people will take it seriously! Entertainment is wrong because someone, somewhere will take it seriously. Fun is a sickness, I say!
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The FBI will be going after People Eating Tasty Animals next, even though that site was raped by Network Solutions years ago, and hasn't had an update since 1996.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
No it is not a parody. It is called "satire". But regardless if you have never heard this term, I'm really trying to get a handle on the degree of stupidity necessary for one to truely believe the US Government issues Kitticulture Permits for the express purpose of "shaping" kittens by inserting them into Klein jars that have no opening using a shoehorn. Is the government secrety contaminating the water again?
Remember back in your younger days when we all had to read A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift, http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html where the author proposes the solution of cooking and eating Irish babies? There was no indication that this was a "satire" making fun of lessor proposals at that time to deal with the Irish "problem".
I suggest learning what satire is, and how it has been used in literature, art, and media for ages. The Bonsai Kitten site makes fun of those who wish to twist, shape, and modify nature to suite our whims and convenience - even our vanity!!
I'm gonna have to take this one with a huge friggen grain of salt.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
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