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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Maybe the analogies will just never stop, but Jethro73 points to this piece with "802.11's security issues compared to Swiss Cheese ...?"
The downside of all the attention being focused on the problems with 802.11 is that by the time there are some networks on my block to piggyback on, the holes will all be gone;)
Hopefully one of the last words here ... Rivendahl directs you attention to "this link to the StlToday.com web site giving a brief summary of a pending lawsuit against Linuxgruven.com, Inc. A bit of rumor says the owners cannot be found and perhaps fled. While I'd rather not report rumor, I would like to make sure the people Linuxgruven.com, Inc. has burned hear about them going down in flames and let them know also of the pending lawsuits. I don't know how much ex-employees may get out of it but at least spread the word, please. I know the teachers at Linuxgruven.com, Inc. teach their students to read /."
So it's time to put my Linuxgruven bumperstickers on eBay? Maybe they will mate with the LinuxOne distribution ...
Next year he'll be only half as old, though. cnkeller writes: "Gordon Moore has hit the maximum age of employment at Intel. As of May, he'll only be an honorary employee. Story here"
Please pick your poison; after that it's your fault. Erik Nilsson points to four informative articles about that which we Americans might prefer to hear nothing more about for a few years: voting, elections software, and Internet voting.
In 'No Easy Answers,' Lorrie Faith Cranor surveys elections technology, evaluates the prospects for Internet voting, and makes recommendations for action.
'Why Has Voting Technology Failed Us?' examines the performance of existing systems, and considers the prospects for improvement.
In 'Sweden to Experiment with E-voting,' Anders Olsson reports on Sweden's current electoral experiments.
In 'System Integrity Revisited,' Rebecca Mercuri and Peter Neumann examine the reasons why current voting systems have failed. They call on computer professionals to contribute their expertise to an informed discussion."
The upshot is still that there are no easy answers to ensuring that elections are accurate and fair.
I could set the building on fire by overclocking Amd Tbirds okay but that's the last straw
The 802.11 article used the term "script kiddy"! It would be while if that's the next net jargon term to see widespread use.
bmetz's law: The amount of people declaring Moore's law dead will double every 18 months.
Of course we all know that it has to end sometime but I'm willing to bet it will hold true for the duration of my lifetime (50-70 years).
Of course if you are easily amused I suggest you read news for the easily amused
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Umm, a "government in exile" is a legitimate government which has been driven into exile because a rival government has seized power. Unless you have some reason I'm not aware of, nobody affiliated with your site has any legitimate claim to the government of the United States, and hence cannot claim to be forming a "government in exile." Al Gore perhaps could make his claim (though he would not), but just a bunch of random people cannot.
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Look, I realize Intel has a bad rep for firing people who get too expensive (ie, anyone over 30 something, with stock options about to vest), but the guy's 72. Seeing as the usual retirement age is 55-65, a mandatory limit of 72 is not that bad, especially in the tech industry.
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Somebody suggested that the voter be allowed to print a fake receipt that says anything you want.
The bumper stickers with Linuxgruven on them were not from Linuxgruven. They were from Linuxcare. Linuxgruven came up with the name after they saw the bumper sticker. I don't think Linuxcare was too happy about that.
Software sucks. Open Source sucks less.
Gordon Moore has hit the maximum age of employment at Intel. As of May, he'll only be an honorary employee.
That's a shame -- his efficiency doubles every 18 months, I'm told. Think of all he could accomplish!
Waldo
So if someone wins the popular vote, but their margin of victory nationwide is smaller than their margin of victory in New York City (i.e. New York City can override the will of the rest of the nation), that's democratic and fair?
Of course the college isn't perfect. But I assert that direct voting would be worse.
The GOP demanded accuracy, and the DNC cried "people are being cheated out of having their votes counted on a technicality! (unfair!)"
The DNC demanded fairness, and the GOP cried "you're applying arbitrary standards to evaluate what is and is not a vote! (inaccurate!)"
So it looks like you've summed up the situation pretty nicely.
Even if the election were completely fair, there would be no way to silence people who don't trust the system. Imagine the uproar in the last election multiplied 1000 times, for *every* election. That would be our nightmare.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Without a clear trail of accountability and easy auditing, nobody's going to trust it. It doesn't matter if the system is mathematically foolproof. The system needs to be simple in implementation because the dumbest voter needs to understand how it works. If the system is too complicated, then ignorant people won't trust it. Even a lot of smart people won't trust it.
Don't let the problem with chads fool us into thinking that a good paper based system is impossible.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
From the article: That's just dandy. We're effectively being told that ... we're not worthy of properly designed and implemented security. A flawed system is considered sufficient.
Maybe the FBI is behind the security flaws in 802.11? This way, as the technology proliferates and everyone's got it in their home networks, they can spy (and even root around in) on everyone's computers from the comfort of their vans...
Or am I just being paranoid?
I was surprised to see a full-page Linuxgruven ad in the latest issue of Linux Magazine. Are they still running ads?
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Weee! Bring it on. I have enough karma in real life that I will gladly donate some of the electronic variety.
Beautiful job, really.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
Intel is one of the companies that takes seriously the things you do on your own time away from work.
Then there will never be absentee ballots either.
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If you'd actually read the law you're talking about, you'd see that having a compulsory retirement age is not illegal. There are restrictions placed around it, but I feel fairly certain that they are within those restrictions.
Link to the actual law...
Quote: "Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to prohibit compulsory retirement of any employee who has attained 65 years of age and who, for the 2year period immediately before retirement, is employed in a bona fide executive or a high policymaking position, if such employee is entitled to an immediate nonforfeitable annual retirement benefit from a pension, profitsharing, savings, or deferred compensation plan, or any combination of such plans, of the employer of such employee, which equals, in the aggregate, at least $44,000."
There's much much more, but that's just one example..
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There is no federal civil rights statute that makes age discrimination illegal
Wrong. How about "The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967"? It's been amended a few times, but it's still US Law.
Age Discrimination is illegal. Mandatory Retirement is not necessarily Dicrimination, however. Read the thing (or skim it, it's long and dull).
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/adea.html
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And I know of 20 to 30 year olds who now reside in nursing homes in South Florida due to strokes. And I'm not talking about people in poor health to start with, I'm talking people who jogged and didn't smoke! A stroke can hit anyone at anytime.
72 seems an odd age for mandatory retirement. Intel's mandatory retirement age is probably 70, but they let him slide a few years because he's a founder of the company.
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Have a look, it's a collaborative writing library, where any group of person can write any sort of text (laws, constitution, petition, newspaper, poem...) using the most basic democratic principles.
It offers a mix of participative (or direct) democracy and representative democracy.
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I think that's a bit niave. Yes, I definately agree it should be brought up when the industries say they need more foriegners brought in, shouldn't dump older folks because of their salary, etc. However, the science and engineering fields are expanding and do need more students, and if your trying to say we're all working for nothing and the industry really isn't expanding past killing off old people..
Also, some people past retirement are able to become consultants, especially government scientists to their respective labs. This is very true for large scale projects, such as laser systems (ie, NIF at LLNL) where the head scientists/engineers must retire in the middle of the project. As their still badly needed afterwards, they can and do consult for about the same salary, and can help the labs afterwards. How far this goes for other scientists/engineers for companies, I'm not to sure.
PS. the foriegners bit - I just meant it was pretty bad to fire all the cobal people, say "We need people badly!" and try as hard as they could but ended up just giving in and hiring them back temporarily. It was just pitiful on the industry's part.
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Okay, that whole statement I agree with in entirety. And in no way was I foreigner bashing, as my example with unloading skilled professionals for cheaper fresh labor was wasteful.
With graduates, I thought they usually make them sign contracts for a number of years they must work for. In any case, that case is a demand for labor which should help (temporarily) increase wages, which for any worker is a plus. To much of this could help flood the market, i guess.
Retirement age should be at the point where the individual is incompitent/unable to perform their duties. There should also be something the worker could move into (ie, more of a desk job) if possible, rather then just forced out by the company due to age.
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lol, i thought you meant forced retirement only, which is what I was refering to. Of course people should be allowed to retire when they wish to. I've known a number of people who've come out of retirement or are looking into going into it, as well as friends already starting IRAs in order to build up a nice nest egg.
For example, I've seen professors with tenure retire, and then a few years begin at a new university, obtain tenure, and later retire.
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Sounds like that /back title was taken from the RAMBUS company plan.
"Voting": Rambus was a JEDEC member
"Suing": SDRAM patent disputes
"Retiring": With even Intel distancing themselves from RAMBUS, what else are they going to do? I don't think demand for Nintendo 64 Expansion Paks is too high nowadays, what with GAMECUBE on the way.
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The most disturbing parts of the Florida Fraud had nothing to do with the balloting procedures (as illegal and immoral as those procedures were). Thousands of people with clean criminal records were taken off the voting rolls in a purported purge of "felons" performed by a private company. Police roadblocks harassed blacks on their way to the polls.
No. Not in a situation where certain areas are given technology known to undercount (both from usuablilty issues and physical failure), and others are given accurate vote tabulators.Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | http://www.infamous.net/
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No one at Intel would have forced him out. If he had wanted to stay, he could have had the age changed. Clearly he wants to scale back his duties and concentrate on his foundation and being retired. Hitting the age is a good excuse to do this without alarming shareholders.
How hard is it to make your electronic voting system spit out a paper trail?
Which is more reliable, a paper trail generated by a computing machine with limited options (if Bush print "BUSH"; if Gore print "GORE") or one generated by humans?
I think we already have our control group.
Make the voting software open source, and the smart people don't have to trust the system, they can trust their own eyes (or what other trustworthy smart people tell them the code says). The dumb people don't need a "reason" not to trust something, they'll make something up. That's why we call them dumb.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
How is a mandatory retirement age any different that an "age of majority"? We apply many restrictions to those under that age, how is it any different when applied to the other end of the spectrum?
Gordon Moore has hit the maximum age of employment at Intel. As of May, he'll only be an honorary employee.
And then the Sandmen come to take him to Carousel.
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Surely someone with his experience qualifies for this position.
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Yo, dude. The sidebar said he was born on 3 Jan 1929, so he's 72, not 65.
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From that page:
The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA) protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older from employment discrimination based on age. The ADEA's protections apply to both employees and job applicants. Under the ADEA, it is unlawful to discriminate against a person because of his/her age with respect to any term, condition, or privilege of employment -- including, but not limited to, hiring, firing, promotion, layoff, compensation, benefits, job assignments, and training.
Yes there must be an audit trail, yes machine-generated paper is good, but NO handing out receipts that show how you voted.
The problem is the possibility of vote coercion - your boss/landlord/relative says they'll do something nasty to you unless you bring them a receipt from the polls that shows you voted the way they want you to. It doesn't matter whether the receipt has your name on it or not, as long as it shows how you voted, and it's hard to fake (and if it's easy to fake, it's not a useful receipt).
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Also, I've done construction work with old guys. They don't move as fast as kids, and don't swing the hammer as many times, but somehow the nails go in the board a lot faster because they did it the way it needed to be done and put it in the places that need the nails most. And inexperienced workers can do a fine job with well-aged perfectly straight wood they bought at the hardware store, but when you're dealing with wood that might be a bit warped, or a bit green, or that you milled from real trees, or slate roofing where every piece of material is unique, you really want some old guy who's been building buildings on farms to be in charge. Sure, the old guys make _us_ haul the heavy stuff around, while they give it a little push here and stick a wedge under it there which cuts the work in half, and spend a while sharpening their tools just right instead of chopping away, and their attitude towards digging ditches often includes renting a backhoe for the rough work and doing the detail by hand, instead of all muscle or all machine, but don't go thinking it's time to throw _them_ out on the woodpile....
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. Telling the public to trust the election results because they came from computers is far less credible than telling them to believe in the results of lever-style machines. Where computers have the potential to be really useful is to help track down anomalies in the process and find where to go look for the miscounted votes, stuffed ballot boxes, and run the manual counts on the machine-counted ballots that got confused by hanging chad or extra holes punched in by Demopublicans. It might not have mattered in Florida, where the Republican court maneuvers effectively kept most of the ballots from being successfully recounted, but that's where the processes need the most help.
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Yeah, ok, that would be great.
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This -- "person" -- is supposed to create a voting software that decides over America's future?
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Airline pilots are required by the FAA to retire at 60. Note that the age at which a pilot (not airline, just pilot in general) is no longer allowed to fly is determined by his ability to pass a medical exam, but for some reason the FAA believes that once an airline captain reaches the age of 60 they are somehow unsafe.
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Do you really think that someone over the age of 60 is too much of a risk to employ? My god they might become worth too much to the company and then DIE. Give me a break.
Listen if you manage to make it to 60 (or 72) with your attitude then you will really want to be able to find work.
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My array indicies start at 0 so 63 should be the age of retirement.
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The article didn't say. I guess he's 64. He must have lots of stock and stuff. So Intel doesn't need you when you're 64, but it probably still feeds you. ...OK, geek and Beatles references in the same post. I'll stop now.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Well, after the age of 60, your risk of stroke, and heart attack greatly increases... I can see the rational behind this.. I'd rather not be in a commercial airline and suddenly the pilot has a stroke, dies and falls face first onto the flight stick, putting the plane into a downward spiral.. (meanwhile the copilot is in the john) Sure there are probably a lot of healthy 60 year olds with no prior medical conditions, but I've met 60 year olds that are in perfect health and then suddenly one day they have a stroke or a severe heart attack .. Its probably in the best interest to have a mandate like that.
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Due to conservation of intelligence, every 18 months, people will lose an amount equal to doubling the clock speed of the CPUs.
Hmmm, surprised that was not part of the original law as it seems to be a truism.
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Furthermore, this meands that if you are younger than 40 and are told you are not hired because you are too young, tough noogies.
Moore himself helped craft the retirement edict that is nudging him off the board. ``It must have been 20 years ago,'' he said. ``I could have set up a founder's exception.'' But, the innovator wistfully added, ``it seemed so far away then.''
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Wow, for someone who desn't want to spread rumors, you sure must want to start them. No where in that article does is it written that anyone has filed suit against linuxgruven.com. The article only says that the Missouri Attny General's office is investigating "complaints"
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It's not illegal.
There is no federal civil rights statute that makes age discrimination illegal, and age is not a protected class entitled to the additional safeguard of the "strict scrutiny" test for the constitutionality of government actions.
If this were a government action (and Intel employment policies should not be construed as a government action) then the constitutional test that would apply is the "rational basis" test, in which the state action is legal if it is rationally related to a legitmate government purpose.
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I've been meaning to start using IPSEC for my internal network as yet another layer of security: the routers would reject (and log) all non-IPSEC traffic, and make use of IPSEC's authentication to make certain that only properly-identified machines can talk to anybody else.
Before even considering adding any kind of internal wireless access point, I would make certain to implement IPSEC. At that point, somebody hijacking or eavsdropping on the wireless network wouldn't be able to understand anything (regardless of the wireless protocol) and wouldn't be able to talk to anybody (again, regardless of the wireless protocol). I suppose an attacker might be able to set up multiple wireless devices that talk to each other...but that doesn't give her much.
Considering all the historical security trouble with sealed boxes, I'm surprised that more people haven't taken this route from the beginning.
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...'cause I think it wouldn've rocked to be buying my computer chips from Fairchild Semiconductor in Portland, ME. Yeah, that's right - he's not only responsible for Moore's law, but also for IP agreements :O
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Voting, Suing, Retiring - yeah, that sounds like a good life plan to me!
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Should unicorns be allowed to vote?
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Not true. The answer is simply to provide an audit trail.
In its simplest form, this is to use paper ballots.
In a concession to providing a quick vote count, it is to use voting devices that register a vote electronically and print two "receipts". One is retained under the control of the supervisor of elections and provides verification, if necessary, for a hand recount. The other is taken from the voting precinct by the individual voter. The receipts are identified only by serial number.
As one of the final acts of this sessions state Senate, Maryland signed into law that there be uniform voting procedures throughout the state. This is partially because of the Florida fiasco that Florida didn't get to solve, but also because some districts ran out of ballots. Had Maryland been the swing state, it would have been just as ugly. Being a Marylander, I was glad to hear about voting issues one more time.
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I'd also be willing to wager that mandatory retirement ages are legal as long as the employee is informed of that age before they begin employment.
IANAL, however.
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Sad how they just use him to promote the "next new thing." I wonder though, how much longer does Moore's law really apply, I'm kind of leaning toward a date sometime before 2015... maybe the 18 months the "law" is currently on will be adjusted again to 24 months or longer...
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I'm sure they would, but then the people in Texas might have a picture of Gore with an axe through his head and Bush with a halo over his head. Then he Bush would argue that the zit on his face cost him the election or something. Pictures are just too abstract to decide black and white if it's okay or not. Nice thought though =)
Yeah, nice try =) It's way easier to submit an internet type ballot than a mailed absentee ballot. I mean, compare an email to a real a letter.
The next technology step towards improving voting does not have to be databases or internet voting. In fact it will never be internet voting because (even though I cant see this happening) they don't know someone is holding a gun to your head to vote Bush. Even more possible is a sign or two or a commercial on TV for president because that too is illegal. Databases, while a better idea, are too hard to get the US convinced to go along with it since they are all paranoid about hacking. Which is slightly true since some guy can go "update voting set canidate='Gore';". The easiest, best, quickest way to get technology in the door is to have like a touch screen computer that you just touch the person you want to vote for. When you're done it doesn't send it to a database or anything. Instead, it just punches out your card for you. Hell, give the option of deciding whether they want to do it on the computer or not, since after all, there would be no way to tell the difference between the two except one is nice and clean and done right. While the other may have to worry about chads or something. Which would also give a more legit reason to just toss them out.
I am not in to foreigner bashing. I don't believe a person's opportunities should be limited by who they chose for parents.
Let me make the point in a different way. There may be a need for more students. But many companies (I'd say most from what I see) waste or underutilize the engineering talent that is available to them. There are mandatory retirement ages, poor working conditions (e.g., cubicles), overspecified job requirements, etc., etc.
This may not be surprising. Companys should try to minimize costs. Unfortunately, they sometimes do this by displacing costs. For example, hiring recent graduates that someone else paid to get trained.
It doesn't make much sense to have a mandatory retirement age, though. They have higher salaries, but the point of raising their salaries was to keep them from going to another employer because they had valuable skills.
I disagree. "Retirement" should occur when the individual decides that s/he has sufficient financial resources (e.g., 401k) to not have to work and that s/he would rather be retired than working. Becoming unable to perform ones duties is more a disability issue, but some people may decide to retire if they think that it has become too difficult to perform their duties.
Among my acquaintences I can think of one who has adequate funds, recently retired at age 55 and says he is enjoying it. Another has the money, is working when he can find the work, and recently passed age 80.
What do you mean "smack of". It is rather blatant age discrimination. One more reason not to go to work for Intel. That and cubicles and maybe other things.
Age discrimination is evidence that there is no shortage of technical workers.
Illegal? IANAL.
This and any other example of age discrimination should be recorded in a file and brought up any time someone says there is a shortage of technical workers.
Also, this sort of thing should be brought up anytime someone says we need to increase the number of students enrolled in engineering or science. It would be dumb to start a career in a field where you could get kicked out just for reaching a particular age.
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Thousands of people with clean criminal records were taken off the voting rolls in a purported purge of "felons" performed by a private company.
The problem there was some of them had committed their crimes in states where once they were let out of prison their right to vote was restored. Florida's laws on the books did not follow the same statute. That said, most people did not contest that they weren't eligable until after the election. If you receive a letter in the mail saying that there was a problem registering you because you match a profile on a list and don't take the time to get it fixed who's fault is that?
Police roadblocks harassed blacks on their way to the polls.
Said it before and I'll say it again. Prove it! The first thing I'd do if any such thing happened to me or my fellows is to grab a camera and document it. Failing that I'd call a news agency who'd have a field day with live footage. The fact that nothing else has come of this speaks for itself.
Not in a situation where certain areas are given technology known to undercount (both from usuablilty issues and physical failure), and others are given accurate vote tabulators.
If they couldn't tell by looking at the finished card when after they voted that something didn't look right, I have to pity them for that.
It is also my understanding that a large number of these undervotes came from using an optronics system with the wrong type of ink.
God helps us should we implement an e-lection over the internet. I can just see the headlines now, "New evidence by computing firm proves Gore had the election hacked!"
Short of having election workers standing over your shoulder making sure you don't screw up a ballot, I don't think this issue is completely solvable. I'm reminded of the system we used in michigan when I lived there. It was optronic, it used a special marker to complete a line in a broken arrow, and before the page was fed into the machine, it was checked over for extra marks, missing marks, etc. Upgrading the entire nation to something like that makes sense in a way.
Allowed to? Yes, they should be allowed to. You shouldn't outlaw every dumb thing someone might want to do. But why would they want to?
But in this case they're doing it TO someone else, which is where we start outlawing dumb things. Do anything dumb you want, as long as you don't do something dumb to me.
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You people dont understand the horror of actually having the name Chad. Till the whole election thing I didn't even know chad was a word... The first day they started talking about it people would walk in to my store and get OFFENDED that my name was chad. Damn! After a few days people started becoming comedians... That wouldn't have been too bad if people could be original, but NO, every single person, 10 times a day, 5 days a week would come up with the same lame "so how's the baby doin" or "I dont see your dimples" joke.
It got to the point where I was ready to strangle people for that stuff, but they didn't know any better. They were all the greatest comedians born in the history of the world. To this day I still get those jerks in the store, I dealt with 2 today.
I'm askin slashdot, as a community, please write your congressmen and request a change to electronic voting! Think of all the abused Chad's out there in the world! Well actually I'd be happy with just changing the name to John's. Theres a name you dont hear every day.
In fact, I think I'll start a petition now... Everyone who's with me in changing the Chad's to John's reply to my post! If we can get enough responses we'll have a good start! Do it for the children!
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I watch Brit Hume on Fox News
Bill Maher once said that he didn't think the current mindset towards racism and sexism should be applied to ageism. He said something like "Damnit, they're kids, they're not real people yet, they're still developing".. I added the "damnit" I think. Although, he was talking about the young people not the old people. Still, I think ageism is fairly valid in some cases.
But doesn't a "mandatory retirement age" smack of ageism and being wholly illegal?
Dancin Santa
In general though, should companies be allowed to tell their employees that their service is no longer appreciated for the sole fact that their age has progressed to a certain number? This sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Not that Intel's got a fear of lawsuits, though.
Dancin Santa
But doesn't a "mandatory retirement age" smack of ageism and be wholly illegal?
Dancin Santa
Is that like Milton from Office Space? Will Gordon be forever damned to wander the basement of Intel pondering the location of his stapler?
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silence is poetry.
There is nothing about hand counting that makes it cost more than ten times as much for ten times as many voters. Whether you use people or machines, you still just end up with a number to be added into the district vote.
The American problem is cheapskate locals who won't shell out for the work; a punch-card reader is cheaper than a bunch of guys counting votes and watching over each others' shoulders. The single most important government function is done on a tight budget.
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Huh? What? I got a pile of "Linuxgruven" stickers from the Linux World Expo shows, but they most certainly didn't come from the "Linuxgruven" that's being sued - they all came from the people at http://www.linuxcare.com Which stickers are *you* talking about?
On the issue of voting, you could really save everyone a lot of trouble by frying the electoral college, it's just screwing things up. It leaves thing anti-democratic and unfair to all voters, and offers a bonus to people living in certain areas by weighting their vote for more than other areas. On top of that, their have been times when the electoral college says someone is the winner, but if we had just done a dirrect vote, the opponent would have won (ex. US election in 1960).