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Ximian gets new CEO
miguel writes "Today we announced that David Patrick has joined Ximian as our CEO. Nat which we all love has stepped down from this role and will now be in charge of our products (he insists that people call him `VP of Product Management' although to me he will always be Commander Nat "Fleebety Jeebits" Friedman). David is a great guy, his experience in the field will Ximian and GNOME tremendously." He's got old timer creds (Wordstar? Geezus).
it's been about one month i'm checking red-carpet AND helix-updater to see the gnome 1.4 ximian update,
and still nothing. I'm currently stucked with the beta release
(which was unstable, but i was warned and dont't complain about it).
SOOooo... What the hell are they waiting for a 1.4 release ?
May be they estimate 1.2 to 1.4 leap was not that important,
or feared to have their user disgusted when faced to the hard nautilus reality (too many Mo used for so little functionnalities...
and i don't even bother speaking about slowliness -what about some MozNautilus project... anyone ?-)
This is terrific. Finally, Ximian has some good leadership. This kind of thing will get their stock up and rising, even in this troubling time of economic strife. A radical change like this will energize the Ximian stock, and so...
*whisper whisper*
Wha... I sold that stock last week? Why didn't you... It's climbed HOW FAR?!?! What do I pay you for, anyways!?!?
Nevermind that shit about high stocks. Ximian sucks.
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That's just the way it is
Kind of reminds me of a joke I used to play on two really stupid girls @ college. I'd see them at a party or something, and I'd always say, "You're looking positively bovine today" (They were portly lasses.) Either they never heard me well enough, or they didn't know what bovine meant, but they always thought that was great. If only they had money...
When is Ximian going to work with Redhat 7.1? The current go-gnome install downloads the non Redhat 7.x installer. If you go to the manual install page, you can get the 7.x installer. However, in 7.1 at least, after all the downloads are done - the installer crashes! How poo is that? I go with the RedHat 7.0 install and it says upgrade to a compatable distro, even though going from 7.1 to 7.0 would be a downgrade - go figure! The other way crashes. Please fix this soon - I love ximian (and redcarpet, AND EVOLUTION!)
The ultimate network admin tool needs HELP!
How do you Ximian? I didn't even know it was a verb? Can you GNOME? Is that some kind of dance?
Ok my karma is maxed out. When do I become Enlightened?
Apparently they're working their collective asses off on it. Supposed to be something special. See here.
I hope they get it done soon; I actually used KDE the other day and found it a well-designed usable environment! Horrors! <using non-FSF software shake> :)
"Honey, it's not working out; I think we should make our relationship open-source."
Ximian has great potential.
I hope they do well. If they stay creative, they will. The thing I'd like to see most from them & kde folks, is working towards interoperability regarding a good printing framework, themes, middleware and other "backend-ish" stuff. There is so much innovation possible in the interface and this is where gnome & kde should battle it out. Penguins won't reach the desktop when J.Random Computer User can't work out how to cut and paste between gApp and kApp.
It's been ages since they've released their latest warez, yet very few of them are actually available! Solaris packages haven't been updated in AGES and still have old GNOME, etc.
Considering how much they're in the spotlight, along with GNOME - through Sun and HP... You'd think they'd be a little more diligent.
Don't drop the ball on this, Ximian - this is MAJOR!
Is it legal?
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moming from Ximian, is an all inclusive package where one wouldn't have to download all those other dependencies just to build something.
It gets tiring having to download umpteen amounts of extra baggage via way of additions (glade etc.) just to get something to run. Even moreso gets more tiring searching for those packages hoping they've been updated to follow suit to newer revs of the original product (gnome).
Aside from that for those with limited space, it would serve them greatly to have Ximian products include only the neccessities to build the product and not the whole library (whenever possible) to save space.
why hackers scare me
360 degrees of Karma
Now that's a mission statement - "We want our product to kick total butt"!
~~~~~ BigLig2? You mean there's another one of me?
It makes me question how to pronounce GNOME.
:)
Most of the ways I hear it pronounced are Guh-nome or just nome. Once I saw Ximian and helix code and all of the evolution references I thought that maybe GNOME was pronounced gee-nome. (as in mapping the human GNOME
So then how the hell do you pronounce gnutella?
And how would the bovine lasses having money change anything?
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The truth is more important than the facts.
The truth is more important than the facts.
-Frank Lloyd Wright
There was a time when I checked Helix/Ximian regularly. But there were two things which helped get me off it. First, upgrades which broke things. There is cutting edge and there is bloody mess edge. Too frequently the upgrades were from the latter group. Then after the Red Carpet problems, all was silent on the update front.Stability and regularity. I understand there is no controlling the time factor (other than delays). I also understand 0.x means not all there, but come on. Not all there used to mean something beyond a screen flash should have functioned.Hopefully a change at the helm will be a change for the better.
In a place beyond time and space, in a land far better than this, look for me there...
I've done some work with Miguel and Nat and I'm glad to see this. They are both great developers but it's good to know when you need to focus on developing and hand the business over to someone who can deal with all that crap. Nat was definitely swamped up to his eyeballs when I was trying to get him on the phone about 6 months ago and I'm sure it hasn't gotten any better!
It's funny- when you do something well, you get promoted and promoted until eventually you end up in a position which has nothing to do with what you do well. Management and running a business is a whole different skill set from coding and hacking. You have to deal with (ack, evil) sales, marketing, human resources, legal issues and all sorts of garbage which has nothing to do with what you love to do and do well. So you either suck it up and learn how to do the new job (accompanied by a steep learning curve) or you hire someone who knows and likes that stuff so you can spend your time doing what you love.
This is a good move on Ximian's part and a move that most of the Linux companies out there are going to have to make sooner or later. At some point you have to move towards running a business and worry about messy things like profitability.
Hey David Patrick, why not give GNOME some hope and lower the number of librarie's gnome relies on? You know, GNOME might be cool if I didn't have to download 20 other libraries and applications to get a GNOME app working.
- Linux allows sloppy coders
All press releases should be worded like this.
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
Isn't the GPL free enough for you?
Obviously this is all package based, but it works with deb and rpm. There is a menu option in RedCarpet 0.9.2's pulldown menu called "Install Local Packages". It will install and remove programs necessary to install the program you specify. (It tells you exactly what its going to do before it does it)
As an added bonus, it automatically verifies crypto signatures on everything.
I'm finding myself using this tool more and more for these reasons, even though I've become proficient in using RPM on the command-line for the past four years. It's just too convenient.
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Okay, here goes my precious karma..
:-), but i especially feel the pain due to the fact that i am one of your application developers! I have a GNOME project on sourceforge with thousands of users, and it pains me to see them all leaving for KDE!
The only thing i can see that Ximian has produced to date this year are press releases and the two "big" projects started way last year - namely Red Carpet and Evolution.
Is anyone besides yourself actively involved in this project anymore? And if so, why is KDE kicking our asses in the progress department?!
Not only is GNOME falling impossibly far behind KDE in terms of in the scope and variety of apps, but we are not even updating our existing applications anymore.
And what about platforms other then i386? As a PPC-based user i cant even get Red Carpet (see it in the FTP directory anywhere?), in addition, i have not seen a single (and i'm dead serious about this) update in the Helix GNOME Updater since last year.
I have recently installed and begun using KDE 2 and i am donwright shocked as to how far they have come in the past year while we, the GNOME community, are still sitting here using GNOME 1.2.
On behalf of the hundreds of users i have encountered both on and offline, Why have the updates to Ximian GNOME stopped? And, if Ximian has chosen to abondon all PPC distros, then i would like to see the Ximian site updated to reflect this, so that we can all move to KDE (of which there are plenty of current packages available)and keep enjoying our Linux experience. And lastly, if Ximan/GNOME needs some help - why are we not asking for it?
I'm not trying to bitch too much (although i dopubt you can tell
At this point i have no choice but to begin using kdevelop to port my GNOME app over before all my users leave me.
Moderators need an additional choice: "Karma Whore" for people who cut-and-paste articles as their comments!
I get a really bad vibe from Ximian sometimes. It's kind of a "we know what's good for you" vibe that feels exactly like what they portray as the vibe from Microsoft. Why do we have to wait to see what they've decided GNOME will look like while they complete it?
Why all the internal secret pulling together of software? How is that a free software community? It seems to me that their heart is in the closed-source business but something in their brains is switched to GPL-everything-no-matter-what mode. Make up your minds!
If you are easily amused I strongly suggest you waste your time at http://news.getschooled.com/
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Amen buddy.
KDE quietly builds products instead of throwing out press releases. Good quality / good looking / seamlesly working products. They don't engage in flame / feature / license wars (or I haven't noticed!).
Example, look at Konqueror (kde 2.1.1). In the browsing department it wins hands down. I stopped using Mozilla/netscape long back when I found Konq. When I first saw it, I wondered why there was not much hype about this fabulous product. Instead there was a humble press release.
KDE believes in mind share by superior products. Not by 'ethics' or 'religion' associated with CDEs (qt/gtk, c/c++). I certainly believe they have made the right choices so far.
The answer is, they aren't. GNOME is in a transitional phase as we try to build a really solid and flexible platform. Many of the new technologies upon which future GNOME applications will be build are just now ready for prime time. The arhitecture upon which apps like Evolution, Gnumeric, Nautilus, etc. are based is now ready. GNOME 1.4 is a stepping stone to GNOME 2.0; applications will begin to take advantage of gnome-vfs, bonobo, etc. The process of porting to GTK+ will take place. Service delivery platforms such as reef and SOUP are coming into their own. .NET has nothing on the GNOME project except maybe a few months developement time. We have apps, lots and lots of them. Just take a look at The Fifth Toe apps to get a small picture of some of the really solid, tightly integrated applications available for the GNOME platform. Nautilus is being developed at a blistering pace. It's only been a month or so since 1.0 was released and already the new developments and features I've seen in the nightly builds from CVS are incredible.
At this point i have no choice but to begin using kdevelop to port my GNOME app over before all my users leave me.
If your application is useful and you keep up with existing GNOME technologies and developments, your users won't go anywhere. GNOME has an estimated 1.5 Million Users and one of the focuses of GUADEC was to think outside the box, coming up with ways of getting new users. One of the ways to do that is not to compete with KDE as such; let's share the same user base. Expect to see a lot more cooperation between the KDE and GNOME projects in the coming months and years. I personally have demonstrated GNOME to probably about 20 - 25 windows users in the last year--every one of them has been impressed, several have asked me to set up a cheap box for them with GNOME as the desktop environment. People get excited about GNOME. I know I do. The future is very bright.
I don't know how many GNOME applications you use regularly, but here are a few applications I have fallen in love with:
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Celebrate the finer things in life
sponsored? I wish. cheerleader? No, I tried out but didn't make the team. :)
I'm just a computer consultant working for a hospital network who contributes to the GNOME project where I can in my spare time.
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Celebrate the finer things in life
I'm passionate, what can I say?
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Wordstar? Geezus
Damn, Taco, it's cool to be Atheist and all, but "Geezus"? Come on. That's one right you have for being religious, is the ability to shout out "Jesus!" There is no "Geezus". What is that?
I was looking at pr0n and my keyboard cable became entwined on my Ximian! It's chocking it! Help! Help! Oh no! It's foaming at the mouth! Stop it! Quick!
You gotta admit it has more punch than "A computer on every desktop."
Although with Microsoft's historic instabilty I sort of wonder if way back when someone make a mistake and read it as "A desktop on every computer." It would explain a lot.
"I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
* * Nautilus Wow. The basic architecture is there. To you skeptics who look at Nautilus and say "it doesn't have feature X " or "it's too slow" I say, watch development closely, check out the hourlies, watch CVS commits, read the mailing list archives. A lot of cool stuff is coming.
Not trying to be flamebait here, but what do you say to us skeptics who say "all Nautilus did for me that was impressive was consume 160MB of RAM and make really great thumbnails for my pr0n"?
Seriously. It's chock full of "feature X", but YTF do I NEED feature X? More importantly, why do I need it more than 160MB of RAM?
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