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Apple Dumps the Cube

bac_mit writes: "I guess we all saw this coming with the dismal sales, but Apple has finally decided to stop making the cube. There's an article about it here. It's always sad to see a beautifully designed product die." A year ago, the Cube was being hyped like crazy. What happened?

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  1. Bad placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    The Cube failed because of the poor placement between the Pro G4 and low end G3 iMac models. The problem was that if you could afford a low end cube you could get an iMac for less and a monitor. And if you could afford a cube you could also probally afford a Pro G4 with the added expandability. The cube was great while it lasted. Perhaps some day it'll return.

  2. Yes, and what will become of the imag girl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    But what of the iMac girl? Yes, only Japan could come up with somethinglike this.

  3. Hmm by Have+Blue · · Score: 3

    Let's hope that, as rumored, the Cube is being killed to make way for new stuff at MWNY.

  4. Re:Sad but predictable by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 3
    Without the influence of Jobs and Apple we'd probably all be stuck with a CLI.
    You give Jobs too much credit. The GUI was going to happen. Exactly what it would look like was up for grabs for a while. But that was brought forward by Alan Kay et. al. at Xerox PARC, not by Jobs. He was the first one to bring it to market -- that's not revolutionary, it's inevitable.
  5. Re:Nice decoration. by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 3

    I think that's the point... You could leave the computer in your living room, or your family room without it looking like a college dorm room. The cube had class. I can only hope that Apple is readying something to take it's place.

  6. Cube owner here... by cynical · · Score: 5

    Unlike most of the posters here, I actually have a Cube in my home -- it's my wife's machine, which she uses for 'net stuff and work-at-home layout & image work. She didn't want an iMac because she already had a flat-screen display, and she didn't want a G4 tower because she didn't want to take up the space in her small office.

    The machine is a delight, to be honest. Utterly, completely silent and, when combined with a flat-screen display, a very calming experience to use. No low-level buzzing droning in the background. Just a quiet box on the corner of her desk.

    Expandability? She had an external CDR from an earlier machine, and a USB scanner works just fine. Because of the internal 802.11b card, she doesn't have to worry about network wiring. She currently has half a gig of RAM in it. And with OS 9.1, it's been rock-solid. It's a great machine.

    So what happened? As others have said, the price kept a lot of people away. If the Cube had been a sub-$1K system, Apple would have cannibalized their (more profitable) iMac sales, but they wouldn't have been able to keep the Cubes on the shelves.

  7. Not only that, but... by Angst+Badger · · Score: 5
    Without the influence of Jobs and Apple we'd probably all be stuck with a CLI.

    If it wasn't for the Macintosh, I'd never have discovered Linux. It worked like this:

    1. Apple abandons the Apple II line in favor of the Macintosh.
    2. I abandon Apple and go to the IBM-PC, which still has a useful CLI interface in the form of Microsoft DOS.
    3. In the drive to compete with Apple, Microsoft abandons DOS in favor of Windows. At first (v3.x), this is just annoying, but later (Win95 and after), it really gets shoved down your throat.
    4. I abandon Microsoft as soon as a friend introduces me to an early version of RedHat Linux, which still has a useful CLI.
    5. Six years later, I wonder how the hell I ever got along without bash. I occasionally hear that Apple and Microsoft are still in business, but it's no longer relevant.
    So thank you, Steve Jobs! If not for your insistence on twiddleware, I'd probably still be buying Apple products.

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  8. Wrong Market? by SyniK · · Score: 4

    The Cube should really have been marketed towards the 3D Gamer / LAN Party go'er. A nice 3D chipset (Radeon, Nvidia) and a 20 gig hard drive. Try to make the price point as low as possible and they would have sold like hotcakes for LAN Parties. I used to think a Mac sucked for games (1 button? What is that!), but then a group of all Mac gamers showed me that if it can use USB... it can use a USB 3 button mouse :).

    (I still want one for LAN Parties and Linux.. :) )

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  9. What happened?... by DLG · · Score: 5

    In September came out with their most unique computer in atleast a decade. It was fanless, had an entirely different shape and form and was running with a top notch processor. Yet what happened?

    Well #1, and I think this goes for all of Apple's line, the lack of the new exciting OS to go with the new exciting hardware caused people to hold back from buying new computers. The fact was that Apple had a very bad release despite releasing great equipment. They took a loss for that quarter.

    #2. Typical of Apple, they had problems getting the machines into the hands of the users. Alot of folks I knew ordered them and discovered they were not coming when they expected. Then there were issues with the powerbuttons and expectation of upgrades and a struggle with the atypical monitor cables and such.

    #3 In the end, business users did not need the quiet elegant but limited expanssion machine. It was closer to the old Mac Classic design then the Mac II and in comparison to the Powermac G4's this just wasn't a business machine. Probably they should have worked to get it into college dorms and such. But the price is just too high compared to the iMac and the pc compatibles.

    In the end it is a shame. I also wanted a Cube. Hopefully they will find a way of dropping the price (iCube?) on a similar technology.

    d

  10. Lack of real of innovations was the real problem. by tdsanchez · · Score: 4

    If you think about it, the machine was basically a G4 with the power supply pulled out... and if you ever saw both (the cube & the supply) you can imagine how that supply would fit right where the heat 'chimney is'. I wonder if they were going for a cube with the power supply inside but couldn't get enough convection current going without a fan... so they had to pull it out!

    Anyway... So the main issues as I see them:
    1. The cube idea is not new. (nextcube, cobalt servers, etc.)
    2. The ONLY innovation on the machine, the ultra-cool touch power button, but unfortunately is susceptible to RF glitching. that sucks!
    3. The main appeal of the machine, it's 'look', was marred by poor manufacturing quality (many of the cubes had visible, highly refractive seams)
    4. To have a complete system, you had to have a huge mass of cabling going into a very small opening at the bottom and then steeply angling into the machines ports... just bad design.

    One way they could have really improved the cube is to include a vid card that has s-video out and pitch the machine as an entertainment device with full DVD/CD/3D-Sound/Gaming capabilities and:
    -Put the power supply back in the cube, with a fan!
    -And get rid of those stupid orb shaped speakers... they look cool, but aren't practical.

    Happy Birthday USA!
    -t

  11. Totally.. by mindstrm · · Score: 3

    but.. I have to say, regarding Titanium.

    Is anyone else sick of the 'titanium' buzzword that everyone is in love with?

    I saw this guy on TV, selling titanium kitchen knives. He talked about how strong it was, because it was developed for the space program, etc....

    Titanium is very strong for it's weight... but that's it. Steel is still stronger (or at least, not as brittle). Also, from a knife point of view, titanium may never rust, but it's very porous, and although it may hold an edge for a logn time, it will not be a very sharp one. You cannot approach the razor-sharpness of good steel with titanium.

    I have a space-age titanium backing on the LCD portion of my vaio z505le. Didn't take much jostling in the backpack to put a huge shiny gouge in it...

  12. The Cube: A failure of market differentiation by Jay+Carlson · · Score: 3
    If you're price-sensitive on hardware purchases, Apple will exasperate you. I'm an admitted cheapskate; I have a quite a few single-purpose boxes, and if I spent a lot of money on each one, I'd exhaust my new-toy budget for the year pretty quickly. I wanted to play with OS X; since Apple hardware is a Really Big Dongle for their system software, I had to buy a Mac.

    So the first thing I do, like any good mail order weenie, is go looking around on Pricewatch, various Mac-specific web sites etc looking for what the prices are for various kinds of hardware. Well, it turns out that just about every new Mac is priced within about $5 of the online Apple Store. That seems strange, especially considering that most of the big online retailers have their own "we'll throw in 256M/a printer/a scanner/a bunch of media" incentives. The simplest explanation for this seems to be that Apple prohibits its authorized dealers from advertising or competing on lower price, but still allows bundles for differentiation. Well, at least this makes price comparison shopping for new hardware very easy....

    Now it's time to go looking for used machines and hit the auction sites. Well, in order to do that, I gotta understand what the specs of the various boxes are. So after a few evenings of trying to understand how the prices and specs work out, here's what I conclude:

    • There's a very steep price gradient between "pro" hardware and "consumer" hardware; much steeper than anything in the PC world. Obviously, a cheapskate like me should be looking at consumer hardware.

    • All the consumer hardware is crippled in some way, probably to annoy the feature-sensitive into buying the "pro" hardware. The old-style iBooks have 800x600 displays. The new ones have 1024x768. If you're not careful, the iMac you get won't have VGA out; if it does, like the iBook, it's limited to "mirroring", so your nice big 21" monitor is stuck at 1024x768. The cheap and awful monitor in the iMac might count too.

    • Sometimes the crippling can be worked around. Rumor has it that the iMac's ATI video hardware can do much higher resolutions; you just need to open up the machine and yank the connection to the internal monitor. The possibility of uncrippling is, I think, the reason the undocumented expansion connector in the original iMac was yanked in later revisions. Third parties had made SCSI and 3d cards for it, and that interfered with Apple's controlled plans for the hardware. (For a few revs, the board still supported the cards if you soldered your own connector onto the PCB!)


    So where does this put the Cube? Well, that's the problem. What I really wanted was a headless iMac. The Cube seemed pretty close because of its small size, no fan, and limited expandability. But it has a G4 and allows decent video resolutions, so Apple priced it like a "pro" system.

    I think there would be a huge market for a headless iMac. But an important part of the iMac is low cost. And people who want a non-tiny monitor are just the people that Apple wants to squeeze for as many dollars per unit as they can get. As long as Apple has control over all the hardware that can run OS 9/OS X software, they'll probably continue to segment their market, sometimes with artificial limitations, to maximize profit from customers who are less price sensitive.

    In general, PC hardware manufacturers can't do this. I can plop a GeForce 2 MX in Ye Olde Celeron 450 if I want video resolution. I can put a Maxtor 1394 card in any old PC. And if nVidia or Maxtor decides to artificially cripple their low-end cards to try to make more high-end sales, their competitors will eat their lunch. In fact, the only big player who has much luck with this kind of market segmentation is Intel (Celeron/P3/P4/Xeon), and AMD is...eating their lunch.

    All this could change at MWNY, but I bet there will still be significant limitations designed into whatever new iMac is announced.

  13. Apple didn't follow their own strategy by Ethelred+Unraed · · Score: 4

    It's pretty odd that Apple did the Cube at all, really. Anyone remember the original four-box strategy that they implemented to prevent themselves from going overboard on models, like they used to?

    In the old days, Apple had Quadras, Performas, Centrises and Classics, and no one could tell from the name or even case design which Mac was which. Futhermore, within each line (Centris/Performa/Quadra) there were myriad variations that made little sense, and often there was overlap. This confused both customer and sales team, and caused a lot of trouble.

    Enter the four-box strategy:

    Consumer portable: iBook
    Consumer desktop: iMac
    Pro portable: PowerBook
    Pro desktop: G3/G4

    This strategy worked just fine, and then Jobs got a wild hair and decided to add the Cube, which was neither cheap enough to be a Consumer box (like an iMac) nor powerful and expandable enough to be a Pro box. Sure, it looked great, but it was just a bad decision (unless they had cut the price dramatically, but then they would have run into problems with the Cube cannibalizing iMac sales).

    They should stick to a simple product line, like they started to do, much in the same way that carmakers recycle chassis designs and parts to keep things simple and costs down.

    For all the coolness of the Cube, it was simply a blunder IMO.

    Ethelred

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  14. Re:Hastings's Law by TheInternet · · Score: 3

    I quote to you Hastings's Law: Adequate and cheaper wins against better but more expensive.

    Isn't this more a theory than a law? Anyway...

    Regardless of how many units are sold, "adequate and cheaper" cannot sustain an industry long term. To me it seems "better and expensive" is what actually drives most progress. But volume is what drives costs down.

    I'm also not convinced the problem with the Cube was one merely of price, though that was clearly a major issue. It was at a really strange place in the product line. I don't think consumers knew who it was targeted at.

    The Cube has exactly two things going for it: it looks cool, it is silent

    Well, another major one is that it takes up very little space at 8" cubed. This means that it can go in places that are not practical for other computers.

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  15. One wonders how Apple couldn't have seen this.. by tosderg · · Score: 4

    coming.

    This is one of those cases where it seems like everyone on the web was in on one big secret that Apple didn't discover until they started looking at quarterly reports and doing the math.

    Notice that everyone likes the look of the Cube, the silence of the Cube, and in general the concept of the G4 Cube. I know that I personally have been lusting after an old NeXT Cube for years now, despite the fact that the hardware is so hopelessly out of date and there's really nothing for me to do on OpenStep. The concept of a computer in a Cube form factor is just so appealing to me that I'd be willing to spend the $400 or so that it costs to pick up a decent NeXT Cube used.

    However, if you're going to create a silent cube computer, you have to realize that those are perks. Those are "neat things". Those are *not* important enough issues to justify a purchase at full new retail price for 99% of customers.

    Sure, you read here about how Joe Sixpack bought it for his wife and she loves it, or how Fred Smith bought it to add to his stereo as a digital computer component and thinks it's pretty fantastic. Most of us do not have $1800 or $2000 or whatever a decent Cube costs these days (or did cost, heh heh) just to throw away on a whim based on a cutesy design.

    Someone here mentioned Rolex and Bentley. These products are *extremely* high priced within their markets, but they are also the acknowledged *BEST* at what they do. The layman thinks "high-end watch", he thinks ROLEX. That makes a Rolex watch 1) a quality piece of equipment and 2) a status symbol.

    Any Apple based computer these days is only a status symbol for a small subset of the community. I think Apple had starry-eyed visions of Dot-Com millionaires eating up Cubes like chocolate to put on their glasstop desks right next to their expensive LCD panels and stack of $400 motivational tapes. It just didn't happen. Within the computing industry, Mac owners are more often reviled than revered. Macs are seen as a toy, or at best, as a tool for an artist or graphics designer.

    There aren't enough image-conscious artists or graphics designers to buy Cubes. Most of them are still probably holding onto their 9600s for the 6 PCI slots. :)

    Which is the other issue - the Cube is NOT the best in its class. No, it is not "in a class of its own", it's a personal computer. There are much better machines in terms of functionality and quality of components than the Cube - even within Apple's own product line!

    That's the one-two punch. The bonuses of the machine are not worth enough to most people in and of themselves, and the machine does not contain amazing whiz-bang hardware to drive the purchases. If the Cube had been the fastest piece of hardware Apple manufactured by a measurable amount and been delivered at a cost of only a few hundred dollars more than the G4 Tower (to make up for the lack of expandabiltiy, etc... even though it'd be the fastest, it would be a static configuration), I think it would have sold very well.

    If the G4 Cube was delivered as-is but at a price point closer to the iMac than the G4 Towers, I think it also would have sold.

    It was neither. It didn't sell.

    In 10 years I'll probably buy one on eBay for $400 to sit next to my (at that point) 20 year old NeXT cube in the museam of cool machines that could've been.

  16. The Mac G4 Cube is a fine piece of work. by jcr · · Score: 3

    I'm using one every day, it's my primary development system. For the first time in my entire career, there is NO FAN running in my office. It's wonderful to be able to really hear my music while I'm working.

    The critical thing for getting any mac to perform is giving it enough memory. This cube on my desk was recently given an extra half-gig of RAM bringing it up to 704Meg, and the difference was astounding.

    As for the alleged cracks, what I see in this case are a few mold lines which cast shadows that look like cracks under certain lighting conditions.

    Sometime next year when I buy a G5 machine, I know exactly what I'm going to do with the cube. It's going to get a 100gig disk, have its RAM maxed out at 1.5 gig, and it will go next to my stereo and become my digital audio server. It will probably remain in that role for ten years or more.

    -jcr

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  17. Re:convection oven by Knobby · · Score: 3

    A computer.. If you wave your foot over the thing it shuts down..

  18. You're forgetting about size by Infonaut · · Score: 4
    Sure, it's easy to say that the Cube wasn't innovative, simply because it included so many things we've all seen before. However, putting them all together into a very small form factor was very innovative. Often times it's a collection of small refinements that add up to true innovation.

    For those of us who don't have all kinds of space, the Cube was an excellent idea. From what I've heard, Apple was expecting to sell a whole lot of Cubes in Japan, for example.

    The fact that Apple mispriced the Cube, making the G4 tower a much more cost-effective bet, and that they mistimed it by releasing it before OS X was available, doesn't take away from the fact that they had the right idea in a small form-factor CPU that actually looked nice.

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  19. Re:Sad but predictable by bonoboy · · Score: 3

    God, here we go again. Bill Atkinson and Jef Raskin deserve alot of credit. In fact, I seem to recall Bill had been doing research on GUIs at university. The best book I've read on it was Infinite Loop, which says that they were already set on a GUI, and took Steve over to PARC to convince him, too. He wasn't the guy who 'stole' it, nobody was. It's all Official Apple History, not actual history.

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  20. Hastings's Law by steveha · · Score: 4
    I quote to you Hastings's Law:

    Adequate and cheaper wins against better but more expensive.

    Other Macs, with far better price/performance, outsold the Cube. The Cube has exactly two things going for it:

    it looks cool

    it is silent

    Well, other Macs look cool enough, and are quiet enough, and cost less for what they do.

    And, by the way, while you can make money by selling a product that is expensive but really cool -- consider Rolex watches, or Bentley cars -- a few visible cracks in clear plastic just may be enough to disappoint the folks who are motivated to buy such products.

    The Cube is the only Mac that remotely tempts me. A truly silent box would be a nice thing. If I ever decide to buy a Mac, I'll probably get a used Cube, perhaps on eBay. Apple may not make any more new ones, but there will still be a few around.

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    1. Re:Hastings's Law by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3
      A truly silent box would be a nice thing.

      please educate me here - this thing has a hard drive, yes? if so, how can it be truly silent?

      (lets ignore the sound of the plastic cracking, for now)

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  21. Lacking: time, money, uniqueness by swordgeek · · Score: 4

    I don't know how many here actually remember the original release of the Mac, but there are some substantial similarities between that product and this one. Why did the Mac survive while the cube didn't? Therein lies the key...

    Those were the days of the Atari 800, the C-64, and even Apple's own ][+ (e, xe, c, whatever). The Atari and C64 had the ability to do 256 colours at about 320x200 (with some seriously clever programming) and had 16-bit sound! Then came the Mac. Lunky, clunky, tiny B+W built-in monitor, bad sound, and this goofy interface. (Remember this was the first home compute with a mouse, and the original mac mouse was _ugly_ to use even after you got used to it)

    But it worked! It caught on. It singlehandedly began the next wave of computing, despite its severe limitations. Why?

    1) Apple had the money to support it for more than eight months or so.
    2) It was absolutely unique! There was nothing like it out there, and what it was offering was a whole new experience.
    3) They could _deliver_ the damned things when the orders started rolling in.
    4) There was no real concept of a standard platform. You bought your computer, and bought the software for that platform. When the largest company only had 15-20% of the market, there was less feeling of picking the 'right' or 'wrong' platform--just the one you wanted.

    Now we have (or rather, had) the cube. Although it was intriguingly sexy, it lost out on all of the above points. Apple cannot afford to keep flogging the things until they start selling. Furthermore, they can't get production up to match demand anyways. The fact that they're perceived as being a (nearly) dead company vs. Microsoft is a huge handicap as well.

    But the killer is this: The cube isn't unique enough. It's beautiful, it's advanced (fanless case? It's already becoming the Next Thing--except to see fanless desktop processors from Intel and AMD again in about 18 months), but underneath the skin it's still Another Mac--just like the G3/G4 Macs which are still available, better machines, and cheaper to boot.

    Apple has been a computer _design_ company from day 1. This design just wasn't revolutionary to overcome its flaws.

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    1. Re:Lacking: time, money, uniqueness by red_crayon · · Score: 5

      "...the G3/G4 Macs which are still available, better machines, and cheaper to boot ."

      I always thought, once you bought the machine, that booting it was free.

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  22. Re:What Happened by tsieling · · Score: 3

    They did make a great design statement that I liked, but as a PC user, I found it odd to see in a desktop-oriented machine the combination of high end power coupled with an appliance-like construction that didn't really invite much in the way of hardware expansion. Am I totally off on this?

  23. Oh well by rmst · · Score: 5

    I'm sure they're moving on to more interesting shapes. A dodecahedral computer, that'd be neat. Or a sphere, floating in the air... Of course, if you lost power, crashing would take on a whole new meaning... I guess it's true every technological benefit introduces new problems!

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  24. Re:Sick of hearing about "such a great design" by Snocone · · Score: 3

    people who seriously factor the appearance of a computer into their buying choices are idiots ... It's like buying a furnace or water-heater for its looks.

    You don't have a girlfriend, do you?

  25. Re:Sick of hearing about "such a great design" by Snocone · · Score: 3

    If he does i bet shes not shallow, vapid and stupid, all characteristics of people with consumer-centered (read:fucking pathetic and offensive) priorities...

    Hmmm ... a normal person likes attractive objects, be those clothes, vehicles, residences, members of the appropriate sex, or, yes, even computers.

    The original fellow seems just clueless, and when he starts dating he'll figure out in short order that in normal society it is expected that one pays at least moderate attention to the aesthetics of one's existence -- but you, now, display an altogether different level of fear and loathing. My diagnosis is advanced sociopathy manifesting itself as an alleged rejection of mainstream values in an effort to disguise your inability to relate to polite society -- what does your therapist say?

  26. Apple's delta by G+Neric · · Score: 3

    What happened?... what do you mean, "what happened?" Don't you know anything? The Cubes were highly vulnerable. The cracks, ok, that was one problem, but the real problem was that they weren't ready for the Enterprise. In use, the Cubes proved to be vulnerable to both Enterprise and Voyager class starships. Finally, I guess they decided that change was necessary.

  27. Re:A Mac future for the PC world? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3
    Bullshit

    "Since Apple hardware tends to be slower and smaller (in memory, storage, etc) than PC hardware of the same price, does this mean that PC users will look forward to 700 mhz machines with 3 gig HD and 64 mb RAM in 5 years? "

    The very first macs in 1984 had motorolla 68000 chips in them. They were very fast back then and are still used to this day in high speed routers by cisco and in the palm pilots. I believe sun's first workstations used the 68000 due to its speed. The dragon ball processor in the newer palms is a modified 68000. The processor supported preeemptive multitasking and memory managment for true multitasking. The motorolla processors were by great bounds and leeps faster as well.

    Lets see when Intel brought these features to the x86 series? Oh about 5 years later for like 5 grand. The first 386's were also nearly worthless when multitasking due to serious bugs. The second generation 386's fixed the problem. It wasn't untill around 1990 before intel had a prefect modern processor that could run Unix, NT, OS/2 and other 32 bit apps with reliable memory managment and preemptive multitasking at an affordable price. Old 16 bit code with no memory management/cooperative multitasking is why windows 3.1 crashed so often. I admit apple never used the features of its chip, but at least the libraries were better then windows 3.0 and windows 3.1 at the time making macos more stable and easier to develop on.

    Also untill recently, powerpc processors outperformed intel ones by a %50 margin comparing megahertz to megahertz. So the old megahertz to magahertz dabate wont work. It was only after intel stole oops I mean borrowed riscs functions from other processors and overclocked its pentiumII's that the gap closed a little more. A 733mhz G4 processor is about as fast as a gig athlon. If you do photoshop work its even faster due to a special graohics core engine in the g3 and g4 processors. I recently saw an article here on slahsdot which compared linuxPowerPC to LinuxIntel running standard unix apps. On average the powerpc is about %25 faster then a similiar p3 at the same megahertz.

    Now lets do a comparison:

    q.) Who was the first to market a.) PC

    q.) But who was the first to use a gui and mouse? a.) Apple

    q.)Who was the first to use a 1.2 diskette? a.) apple

    q.) Who was the first to include a preemptive multitaksing capable processor with advanced memory managment support? a.) apple

    q.) Who was the first to include a risc processor? a.) apple and intell is not finished with the IA64 yet to comepte on newer chip designs

    q.)Who was the first to include nic cards on all machines a.) apple

    q.) who was the first to use scsi? a.) apple

    q.) Who was the first to support USB/Firewire? a.) apple

    q.)who was the first laptop maker to include a touch pad for mouse movements? a.) apple

    ....the list goes on and on. You may not agree with apple or like their over-engineered macs but do not attack them for being behind. Sometimes the anti-mac zealots sound almsot as bad as the mac ones. Apple is always first to support hardware in their systems and in their OS. Take USB/Firewire for example. I just got rid of a p166 I bought 5 years ago. I bought it over a p133 because it had USB support. It turns out that the usb ports were never even used. It was many years before Microsoft decided to support it and a few more years after that before usb devices became popular on the pc. Apple had a driver out immediately and device support came about a year later. Microsoft wanted me to plunk down on an OS upgrade for a dying pc to use my won hardware. No driver for Windows95 available. I am sure ms did this with NT4 as well to force me to upgrade to w2k. Also for the previous poster who mentioned the sound problem on the first macs, how great was the sound on the old IBM XT's at the time? Apple eventually did replace the old sound systems with 16-bit ones but most pc went for close to 10 years with no sound cards at all. Just little tiny pc speakers and no cd rom drives. At least don't be ignorant before you make some silly anti mac statments.

    Oh, by the way I haven't used a mac in years and I am using WIndows NT4 while I am typing this so I am not a mac zealot!

    If PC's will be like Mac in 3-5 years, I'm going back to my Vic-20. "

    Well, while apple was the first to include a limited one button mouse, tiny b&w screen, small speaker, my old XT resembled more of your Vic-20 then a modern pc today.

  28. Re:A Mac future for the PC world? by jchristopher · · Score: 3
    And software... there is hardly any out for the Mac

    Ah yes, let's beat that dead horse some more. You must mean stuff like Microsoft Office, the Adobe and Macromedia suites, development tools, Corel Draw, Canvas, Word Perfect, Strata 3d, Netscape, etc. Oh wait, all those DO exist on the Mac.

    Are there programs that exist on PC but not Mac? Yes. But please don't pretend you can't get work done on a Mac.

  29. Re:What Happened by bbh · · Score: 5

    The G4 cube casing was a problem that people continued to complain about. Around the rivets on the top of it people were finding what they thought were hair thin cracks. Apple said it was a normal part of manufacturing and not a defect but I think it bothered a lot of people getting the cube. There was also an issue with the power turning on and off. There wasn't an actual power on/off, and some people were having problems with the power touch detection working correctly. Heres a link from Sept 2000 about the cases:

    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2885165.html

    Despite these small issues, it is sad to see it go. On the G4 Cube webpage there is now a heading about it being "put on ice" :(

    http://www.apple.com/powermaccube/

    bbh

  30. I Just Went Through This Decision... by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 3
    I wanted to buy a Mac, and it was a hard decision between the uebercool Cube and the more mainstream G4 Tower. It was all in the details...

    The Cube comes in a 450/500MHz version, which is comparable to the G4 Tower... Before the current crop of 466/533/733MHz models were released. The newer models feature 133MHz RAM/bus, gigbit Ethernet, 4x AGP and other slightly enhanced items.

    With the pricing the way it was, it made a lot more sense to get a G4 Tower in the latest flavor, and in the end, have room to add in features. I'm planning on using the Mac for video editing, and the prospect of adding drives in a RAID or a video processing card (like the RTMac from Matrox) was all too likely.

    The price/performance/expandability of the Cube just couldn't compare to the G4 Tower, and in the end - like others have said, it came down to "style" vs. having a real tool. I still want a Cube. I'd buy one if the price came down a few hundred dollars. I'm sure I can find a use for it even if it's not my primary system.

    So, I ended up getting a G4 Tower w/466MHz G4, 256MB RAM, 30GB drive - with the 133MHz bus/RAM, gigabit Ethernet for $1500. A Cube at 450MHz, 64MB RAM, 20GB drive - with a 100MHz bus/RAM and "only" 10/100 Ethernet and a slower AGP slot was $1000-1200. Both have the same ATI Rage Pro AGP video card. For $300 more, the Tower makes a LOT more sense.

  31. I hope they still offer tech-support by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 3

    Cause my new Toaster seems to crash an awful lot

  32. convection oven by scep · · Score: 3

    I was never sure if you should use the cube as a computer or as a foot warmer.

  33. issues by kilgore_47 · · Score: 4

    The cube had "microfractures" around where the screws went into the plastic, and they grew to be less-micro over time. I don't think apple ever admitted it, though a lot of people thought there should have been a recall. I've only seen a couple cubes, but the one that used to be on display at my local compusa did indeed have the cracks around the screw holes.

    I also heard that the thing got hotter than fuck, which I know is an issue with some of apple's other machines too (*cough*titanium*cough*).

    Oh well. They still make the coolest hardware. And I still want an iBook... ;-)

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  34. Sad but predictable by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5

    Apple has always been an innovative system builder with a strong emphasis on design, playing at being Ferrari while the rest of the industry was happy playing at being Ford - the Mac Classic, the 20th Anniversary Mac, the iMac, even today's standard G4's all have design features that have critics and users alike begging for more.

    Unfortunately, the Cube also had its share of faults. Its fanless silence, case design and touch sensitive on-off switch were all great but were all problematic - the units overheated often, cases became cracked and the switches sometimes failed. Apple buried its head in the sand over these for a while, but it was inevitable that the writing was on the wall for the Cube, not least of all because of all the negative press that these failures generated.

    Will Apple stop being innovative in terms of case design? Not likely while Steve Jobs is still at the helm, and a good thing too. Without the influence of Jobs and Apple we'd probably all be stuck with a CLI. That's not to say that CLIs are a bad thing but Apple bought the GUI to the mass market, and the mass market appeal of an easy to use PC made PCs cheaper for all of us.

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  35. Sick of hearing about "such a great design" by Flying+Headless+Goku · · Score: 3

    Being non-standard for the sake of being different is not good design. These things had a poor cost-performance ratio and upgrade capacity exactly because they were made to be cute. They were unreliable and defect prone exactly because they were unorthodox.

    Quite frankly, people who seriously factor the appearance of a computer into their buying choices are idiots. It's like buying a furnace or water-heater for its looks. While idiots might seem like an ideal target market, you have to beat the competition to get to them, and Apple's marketing isn't aggressive enough.
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  36. I had a Cube... I took it back for a G4 tower. by CGableWatts · · Score: 3

    I had a Cube for several days. I took it back. Why? The system may be fanless quiet but the hard drive wasn't and the sound of the drive meant I couldn't keep the unit on my desktop. With the new quieter drives Apple is using this year that wouldn't have been a problem.

    But because of the length of the USB speaker cable, I couldn't have the unit on the floor and still have the speakers on my desktop. Besides it really is supposed to sit on the desktop.

    I would have kept it (most Mac users don't put expansion cards or 2nd drives in their Mac anyway) if only the drive was quiet enough to sit on the desktop. A beautiful machine but some practical aspects just didn't quite mesh.