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5GB Hard Disk On A PCMCIA Type II Card

chopkins1 writes: "Toshiba has managed to squeeze 5GB of storage space into a PCMCIA Type II SAN disk. I'll take this over a Sony Memory Stick any day. Faster storage and faster copy to and from a computer. Considering that I'm about to get a camcorder that supports both, I think my decision is made (128M Memory Stick for $240US or Toshiba 5G for $400US), I'm going for the Type II card." As the article points out, that's more than typical DVD.

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  1. FALSE! Caching invaluable for realtime writing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    cache is only useful when you're re-reading/re-writing the same (relatively small) regions over and over

    Consider real time video capture. This is NOT repeated writes/rewrites of the same data but a continuous filling of the disk. A big cache provides some buffer space while other parts of the cache are being flushed out to disk, meaning the drive continuously accepts data rather than pasuing constantly (as with a small cache) to write chunks of data.

  2. "more than typical DVD" by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 3
    Yes, and at 400 dollars, it's also $370 more than a DVD recordable.

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  3. Access times, read times, write times... by boinger · · Score: 3
    This is a teeny hard drive, not a RAM device - I doubt it would be an acceptable solution for a digital device unless it has some serious built-in cache.

    Just food for thought before you pitch a few on the old AmEx.

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    1. Re:Access times, read times, write times... by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3

      The article says the drive has a transfer rate of 5.2MB/s; that's a lot faster than flash cards that top out below 2MB/s AFAIK. You're right that the seek time is going to suck compared to flash, though.

      It would probably be great for digital cameras, because those mostly do contiguous writes.

  4. battery times by psp · · Score: 3

    Everyone seems to be talking about how nice one of these would fit in his iPAQ/Palm/whatever. The truth is, unfortunately, that harddrives sucks battery life really fast from handhelds, which makes them in reality unuseable. I tried an iPAQ with an IBM microdrive, and playing MP3s from it emptied a fully charged battery in about 10 minutes.

  5. 5GB in a camcorder card slot? Why? by hatless · · Score: 5

    I hope you don't think the card slot on your camcorder is for recording video. Unless you're getting a new camcorder Sony hasn't announced yet, those Memory Stick and PC Card slots are both for storing still images. Lousy, low-res ones.

    Even the $2500 Sony camcorders max out at 640x480 for stills, which look nice on a computer screen or a TV, but they won't make for anything bigger than a so-so 3"x5" print640x480 digital still cameas sell for $70 these days. And on a 128MB card or Memory Stick, you can fit about 1300 images at that resolution. Isn't that enough?

    There are camcorders now out there that can do 1280x960 still images, but I don't think Sony makes one, and in any case, that's still bottom-of-the-line by digital still-camera standards these days. Remember: digital video cameras are terrible still cameras, and digital still cameras are terrible video cameras.

    If you could dump video to the PC Card slot in the camcorder the 5GB drive would be nice for that. But you can't.

    On the other hand, if you have one of those new Nikon D-1x or Kodak 760 3000x2000 resolution still cameras ($4000 or $7000, respectively, without a lens, flash or AC adaptor), something like this is good indeed, since the raw, lossless images take up about 18MB each. A 5GB card would hold a couple hundred such images, or a couple thousand minimal-loss JPEGs. That's pretty nice. A 5GB device would even be good for the "3 megapixel" 2000x1500 class of cameras, with plenty of room for a month or more of heavy shooting. But for the 640x480 images camcorders put out?

    1. Re:5GB in a camcorder card slot? Why? by Grond · · Score: 3

      Actually, I've got a Sony TRV-17 camcorder right here. It has a memory stick slot that can be used for still pictures and for recording MPEG-2 videos to. That's right, it records MPEG-2 on the fly. Admittedly the movie quality is only as good as the stills (about 640x480), but it can record them. As such, it'd be great to have a high-capacity medium for them, as even a 128MB memory stick won't allow for a very long recording.

  6. Caching? by artdodge · · Score: 4
    For most media devices, a "serious built-in cache" won't have much effect, since cache is only useful when you're re-reading/re-writing the same (relatively small) regions over and over, and that's not the standard access pattern for most digital media devices.

    Repeat after me: caching is not a panacea.

  7. Re:Previous Article by Drakino · · Score: 4

    This is a Type II PCMCIA card, and the PDA had a Type II CF slot. There are converters, but as it stands, the iPaq with PCMCIA sleeve is one of the few PDAs that can use this card.

  8. RoadPr0n! by grub · · Score: 4

    I've been holding out on buying a hand held unit until I would be able to bring some pr0n with me on the road.

    Thanks Toshiba!

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  9. Two of these things would rock... by cygnus · · Score: 3

    In my Newton! :)

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  10. Reliability will be one of the key questions by fetta · · Score: 4

    I have a Casio digital camera and use a 340 Meg IBM Microdrive in it, and its great to have that kind of capacity. The problem has been reliability - I've already had to have it replaced under warranty once after only a few months of use under gentle conditions.

    The article talks about carrying these new drives around "in a shirt pocket," but I'd like to see some data on reliability before spending too much money on one.

    Having said that, I still want one :-)

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  11. Oh they're in trouble now! by Docrates · · Score: 4

    Didn't IBM patent the concept of large hard drive space in small packages?

    Toshiba is in deep shite now!

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  12. Information storage density by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3

    According to an article reported by Slashdot recently, the limit in storage density on a magnetic medium is 150Gb/in2. So with a 1.8in disk, this little PCMCIA hard-disk could contain a whopping 848Gb a few years from now !

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  13. The catch... by tenzig_112 · · Score: 3
    it's a modified Syquest EZ-135! It will work for a few weeks and then die in the middle of a copying process.

    Ack! The horror!

  14. First Generation Tech ? by q-soe · · Score: 4

    Now this is an intersting development and worth a look, my only questions (which the article doesnt mention) are simple.

    How hot does it run (PC Card slots are notoriously cooling innefficient ?
    How Noisy (maybe silent but worth asking) ?
    How Reliable (MTBF Rating or similar) ?
    How Robust (Shockproof) ?
    What drivers are required (if the device is driver independant or self installing on Win then that makes it an ideal presentation storage device, simply plug in an off you go)?

    I cant seem to find this info around the web - then again maybe im blind so if someone finds it can they post it ? this is the sort of info i would use before making a purchase - and this device is something i would use and at a low enought cost (us$400 UNIT is AU$800 (rough) but thats launch and for around AU400-500 this would serve a usefull purpose for road warriors).

    COol piece of tech really - cant wait to see one

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