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American Megatrends's NAS based on custom FreeBSD
Asmodai writes "American Megatrends unveiled its StorTrends NAS software with NDMP support. This piece of software, which plugs into the StorTrends and ServTrends storage solutions, is a custom developed FreeBSD.
Looks interesting for those who are interested in NAS and SAN and the subsequent managing and monitoring." It's interesting that this press release (because that's what it is) mentions FreeBSD by name.
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This is what the BSD'ers mean when they say that the BSD license is truly free, because you can use it for anything.
Let's face it, the GPL is more "selfish" - we just don't see it that way because we are comparing it to proprietary software licensing.
Anyone have an idea why they chose FreeBSD over other alternatives?
i do think so... i own all of you
Yet nother crippling bombshell hit th beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of ll servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick nd its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For ll practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
*BS is dying
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Yet another crippling bombshell hit th belaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this nws serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the fcts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
*BSD is dying
Well, why not? Hell of a technology, that FreeBSD. Why take over the world when you can make it Pareto optimal?
Please try again later
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Once again the BSD license help the corporate world at the expenses of free programmers world wide.
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...there was such a thing as FreeBDSM.
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I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
I've never had a custom-designed system based on FreeBSD (or Linux) but I would think that it would drive me insane, knowing that it was based on FreeBSD, but unable to use any of the flexibility FreeBSD offers.
Suppose, for example, the thing didn't support ftp. You know FreeBSD supports proftpd but I bet you are forbidden from installing it on the box. Suppose there is a huge bug in the mta on the box (never!). Do you wait for the vendor to supply a patch or do you start hacking?
The situation is similar to using a package manager. Whenever I install SuSE I try to keep it purely RPM-based but inveitably there is some piece of software I end up compiling myself, without making it a package before installing. From that point on I abandon yast and SuSE config because they don't know about that software and will happily trounce it's config files if one isn't careful. (Strangely, I never worry installing a port on a FreeBSD box. I'm more confident that the port isn't going to be sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.)
Fuck you.
The device supports SMB/CIFS and NFS, unsurprisingly as those are the two most common file-sharing protocols at the moment. It's interesting though that, considering they're using FreeBSD, they didn't include AppleTalk support (easily available via the ports tree). It may be that with the advent of OS X, they think NFS is enough for the entire non-Win32 universe.
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Considering that jordan et al are always working on freebsd, there's no reason why they would not depend on the project again later for fixes etc...
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It is truly remarkable and rather unusual that they revealed that there's a FreeBSD working under the hood.
It's nice to see that FreeBSD gets more and more recognition und I hope 5.0 will be a milestone, once it is out next year. Keep up the good work.
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
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(The one thing that the FreeBSD team isn't amateurish about is gay sex. It's well known that several prominent former CSRG workers take it up the ass as often as possible, and their "users group meetings" are held in highway washrooms. The fact the FlamingBSD is based in San Francisco is further proof that FreeBSD is the OS of choice for queer nancies. Finally, while I despise Christians, I will note that the BSD mascot is reminisent of an evil deity who Christians believe homosexuals will meet in the afterlife.)
OpenBSD isn't much better. I find it highly amusing that a uniprocessor server OS can exist in the year 2001, but I guess that OpenBSD's five users have their reasons. Theo "The Rat" de Raadt is a well known bitch/asshole, which is why he was kicked off the NetBSD core team. (NetBSD has always taken a firm stance of bitches/assholes, and The Rat's bitchiness/assholery was not not tolerated once it was discovered.) Also, The Rat's anti-US sentiments leads many to believe that he was behind the recent World Grave Center "incident."
Last, and definitely least, is NetBSD. While their hardline anti-Rat policy is to be commended, NetBSD is a joke. It's great that they've managed to port their outdated UNIX-wannabe to everything on the planet with a circuit board, as well as some citrus fruit, but such portability has no practical application when viewed in light of performance, scalabilty, stability, and software support that are even outdone by FreetofuckmenBSD.
In short, *BSD is dying. I hope that these "Antiamerican Megafags" learn the truth and are anally sodomized in the butt by their competitors. Indeed, they must be in a poor position already, to have considered using Cheap Software in the enterprise.
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Let's look at da damn numbers.
OpenBSD leada' Deo say dat dere are 7000 users uh OpenBSD. How many users uh NetBSD are dere? Let's see. What it is, Mama! De numba' of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet be roughly in ratio uh 5 t'1. Derefo'e dere are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half uh de volume uh NetBSD posts. Derefo'e dere are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 puh'cent uh de *BSD market. Derefo'e dere are (7000 1400 700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. Dis is consistent wid de numba' of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Becauset'de troubles uh Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so's on, FreeBSD went out of business and wuz snatchn ova' by BSDI who sell anoda' troubled OS.
All marketin' surveys show dat *BSD gots'ta steadily declined in market share. What it is, Mama! *BSD be very sick and its long term survival prospects are real dim. 'S coo', bro. If *BSD be to survive at all it gots'ta be among OS hobbyists, dabblers, and dilettantes. *BSD continues to decay. Slap mah fro! Nodin' sho't uh a miracle could save it at dis point in time. What it is, Mama! Fo' all practical purposes, *BSD be wasted.
FreeBSD gained the NetGraph code because it eventually came too difficult for the third party to cost effectively roll the FreeBSD source changes into their custom version. (I forget the company name, they're part of IBM now IIRC.)
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So this is just BSD on a flash rom? Or is this all integrated into the Bios, so you just power the machine on and configure? What size is the rom?
I could do the same thing with a cdrom, burn everything onto CDROM, boot cdrom, and not touch the harddrives. Looks like they just took software and moved it from media to memory.
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I just heard some joyful news on talk radio - pharao and son of Ra Amun-Gnort-Psat-Numf was found alive in his egyptian tomb this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will welcome him - even if you won't enjoy his work, there's no denying his upcoming contributions to popular culture. Truly an
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I just heard some sad news on talk radio - operating system FreeBSD was found dead on its harddisk partition this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss it - even if you didn't enjoy its processes, there's no denying its contributions to slashdot trolling. Truly an open source icon.
I don't think so!
This should come as no suprise to people that deal with high end products on a regular basis.
Juniper routers use FBSD for routing protocol support. You know, Juniper, the guys kicking in Cisco's teeth in the core IP router business?
There are several other examples of 'FreeBSD Inside' out there, check thier web page for more...
Please everyone, spare us the BSD vs. GPL License Advocacy War this time around... I would think the entire Slashdot community already has a basic grasp of the philosophies behing each by now.
Intel did the same thing a long time ago.
/ ss tation/sstation.htm
I think the product went tits up, but you can still find them on some dealer's shelves.
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Ok....
am I the only one who saw NAS and was wondering why anyone thought there was a market for a machine doing "network audio"?
I also notice that nowhere does anyone feel the need to explain that NAS means "Network Attached Storage" (which took me a few paragraphs to make the connection to).
Seriously... some of us know different TLAs.
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I have spent the last 2 hours posting nothing but crap, and I haven't been banned yet. What gives?
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this is a first. the bsd troll gets modded up. yes, moderation is a failure.
"American Megatrends Inc. (AMI), the leader in storage and computing innovations worldwide, "
You learn something new every day 8^} Seriouisly though, it's pretty hard to take them seriously when they start off with this kind of obvious bullshit.
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Noooobody expected TigerWoods.
There are 1.5 million legitimate users of OSX, a FreeBSD OS.
There is 1 illigitimate BSD Troll.
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He gets manly with his hot throbbing two inches! He wants to rape! He wants to kill! Watch as he tries not to be found out as a flaming faggot!
No long rant here, just a quick explanation.
FreeBSD is for desktops. OpenBSD is for servers. What BSD is for embedding and system costumization? That's right kids, you use NetBSD!
Yeah, normally, I'm the first to jump in and confuse people about which BSD is for which, but when you budge up this big, someone's got think clearly here. Now, whose brilliant idea was this? I want to know!
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the sheer power of the Troll Force. Trolls are now the masters of slashdot. We can thank slashcode 2.2 for that. Huge volumes of ASCII art and other crapfloods are making it through Taco's stupid filter. You think you can stand a chance against the all out force of trolls. Think again.
*BSD is dyin' Yet t'other cripplin' bombshell hit th' beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC cornfirmed thet *BSD accounts fo' less than a frackshun of 1 percent of all sarvers. Comin' on th' heels of th' latess Netcraf' survey which plainly states thet *BSD has lost mo'e market share, this hyar noos sarves t'reinfo'ce whut we've known all along, acco'din' t' th' code o' th' heells! *BSD is collapsin' in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failin' daid last [sysadminmag, acco'din' t' th' code o' th' heells!com] in th' recent Sys Admin comprehensive netwawkin' test. Yo' doesn't need t'be a Krehide [amdest.com] t'predick *BSD's future. Th' han' writin' is on th' wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fack thar won't be enny future at all fo' *BSD on account o' *BSD is dyin'. Thin's is lookin' mighty bad fo' *BSD. As menny of us is already aware, *BSD corntinues t'lose market share. Red ink flows like a rivah of blood, cuss it all t' tarnation. FreeBSD is the dawgoned-est indangered of them all, ah reckon. Less keep t'th' facks an' look at th' numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states thet thar is 7000 users of OpenBSD. How menny users of NetBSD is thar? Less see. Th' number of OpenBSD vahsus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 t'1. Tharfo'e thar is about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet is about ha'f of th' voloom of NetBSD posts. Tharfo'e thar is about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of th' *BSD market. Tharfo'e thar is (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This hyar is cornsissent wif th' number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. Due t'th' troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales an' so on, FreeBSD went outta business an' was taken on over by BSDah who sell t'other troubled OS. Now BSDah is also daid, its co'pse turned on over t'yet t'other charnel house. All majo' surveys show thet *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is mighty sick an' its long term survival prospecks is mighty dim, dawgone it. Eff'n *BSD is t'survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD corntinues t'decay. Nothin' sho't of a miracle c'd save it at this hyar point in time. Fo' all prackical purposes, *BSD is daid. *BSD is dyin'
thet *BSD is dyin'. No, this hyar ain't th' same copy-paste deal, but it's true. FreeBSD suffers fum laughable perfo'mance, pore scalability, an' an almost total lack of commercial sof'ware suppo't. No t'menshun its unsartin future -- Walnut Creek, its primary distributo', was purchased by BSDi, an' BSDi was recently purchsed by Wind Rivah. Now, when yo' hoof it to th' FreeBSD Mall [freebsdmall, ah reckon.com], yo' find out thet "some producks & services haf tempo'arily become unavailable." Tempo'arily, mah ass: FreeBSD is daid. This hyar fack is further evidenced by th' fack thet th' Mall website kin't be accessed wifout th' "www." prefix -- th' site is bein' helter-skelter by amateurs. (Th' one thin' thet th' FreeBSD team ain't amateurish about is gay sex. It's fine known thet sevahal prominent fo'mer CSRG wawkers take it up th' ass as offen as postible, an' their "users group meetin's" [faggotry.com] is held in highway warshrooms. Th' fack th' Flamin'BSD is based in San Francisco is further proof thet FreeBSD is th' OS of choice fo' queer nancies. Finally, while ah despise Jedtians, ah will note thet th' BSD mascot is reminisent of an evil deity who Jedtians believe homosexuals will meet in th' af'erlife.) OpenBSD ain't much better. ah find it highly amoosin' thet a uniprocesso' sarver OS kin exist in th' year 2001, but ah guess thet OpenBSD's five users haf their reasons. Theo "Th' Rat" de Raadt is a fine known bitch/asshole, which is whuffo' he was kicked off th' NetBSD co'e team, dawgone it. (NetBSD has allus taken a firm stance of bitches/assholes, an' Th' Rat's bitchiness/assholery was not not tolerated once it was discovahed, cuss it all t' tarnation.) Also, Th' Rat's anti-US sentiments leads menny t'believe thet he was behind th' recent Wo'ld Grave Center "incident." Last, an' definitely least, is NetBSD. While their hardline anti-Rat policy is t'be commended, NetBSD is a joke. It's great thet they've managed t'po't their outdated UNIX-wannabe t'ev'rythin' on th' planet wif a circuit board, as fine as some citrus fruit, but sech po'tability has no prackical applicashun when viewed in light of perfo'mance, scalabilty, stability, an' sof'ware suppo't thet is even outdone by FreetofuckmenBSD. In sho't, *BSD is dyin'. ah hope thet these "AntiSouth Car'linan Megafags" larn th' truth an' is anally sodomized in th' booty by their competito's. Indeed, they muss be in a pore posishun already, t'have cornsidered usin' Cheap Sof'ware in th' enterprise. Thank yo'.
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Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD troll community when last month the DEA confirmed that *BSD trolls account for 99 percent of LSD use worldwide. Coming on the heels of the latest High Times survey which plainly states that none of them have a clue as to which end of a joint to light, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD trolling is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing a recent drug test.
You don't need to be Bob Cringely to predict this *BSD troll's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD trolling faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD trolling because *BSD trolls are frying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD trolls. As many of us are already aware, *BSD trolls continue to lose brain cells. Lysergic acid flows like a river of dreams. Anonymous Coward is the most endangered of them all.
Let's pull some numbers out of my ass.
I've seen this same lame cut and paste troll message about 7000 times since I first noticed it. How many *BSD trolls are there? Let's see. The number of *BSD troll posts on Slasdot is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1 BSD story. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 opportunities for this lamer to defecate from his oral orifice. But this annoying little prick continues to operate on less than half a brain. Therefore there are about 700 comestains on his sheets and he wonders why no women will even look at him. A recent BSD troll lost about 80 percent of his grey matter to crack smoking. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 brain cells left in his otherwise empty head. This is consistent with the number of crashes his favorite toy OS has undergone in the past year *cough*Windows*cough*.
Due to the problem of keeping a reliable supply of acid handy, negative cash flow and so on, a BSD troll went out and picked up some contaminated drugs on the street. Now the BSD troll is also dead, its corpse turned black and rotting on the floor.
All major surveys show that *BSD trolling has steadily declined in intellignece, not that it ever had any. *BSD trolling is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD trolling is to survive at all it will be because it keeps the BSD troll baiters amused. *BSD trolling continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD trolls are dead.
The kids are back. The kids are back. Ohhh watch out, the kids are back.
An AC wrote:
> Symptoms of oppression: [...]
> Symptoms of possession: [...]
Huh?!? Are you by chance responding to the cute little mascot of BSD? Yes, I know he looks like a pop culture representation of a Christian demon. In reality, he is a daemon. "Daemon" is from the Greek, and refers to a type of spirit responsible for some aspect of nature (keeping planets from colliding, helping plants grow, that sort of thing). There is no implication in the word that the being is good or evil.
The UNIX world has adopted that idea in the form of programs called "daemons" that take care of tasks behind the scenes. When you've accessed Slashdot, your browser has been talking to a daemon: the Apache web server. It has been fetching pages for you and allowing you to post on this message board.
By making a daemon their mascot, the BSD folks are honoring those tireless programs, without which, UNIX itself would be impossible (or at least more difficult).
OS X: the Apple of Mothra's Aqua eye.
Listen. I have commented on your fuckin bullshit
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hits M$ IIS, and M$ outlook." Get a fucking life, you total fuckin troll.
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I haven't paid much attention to the NetBSD kernel development (especially the NFS part) recently. As far as I know, quite a lot of efforts on "zero copy" were made to the NetBSD kernel in order to beef up the NFS send/receive performance with NICs.
If I understand correctly, a main bottleneck in the NetBSD kernel is memory copying from the user space to the kernel space.
Under regular circumstance, network i/o buffers are copied from user processes to kernel on the send side, and from kernel to user processes on the receiving side.
By implementing this "zero copy" method, the above copying process is eliminated and a gain in the system performance as well as network performance should be seen.
What I am interested to know is that, how mature is this "zero copy" and the overall NetBSD kernel (particularly NFS and the NIC component) to handle great amount of TCP network i/o.
Anyone cares to enlighten?
I did some searching on goggle and found this interesting URL on network storage:
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URL http://www.cs.duke.edu/ari/publications/publicati
Funny that FreeBSD (not NetBSD, however) is mentioned in one of the articles listed.
I dunno if i'm allowed to discuss this but i don't remember signing a non disclosure agreement so here goes:
/. on what we did and did wrong:
/dev/sda as storage for /etc and other config files but the big boys upstairs want the product released asap. there should be a way to isolate the user space from the system space on /dev/sda but we weren't able to explore the possibility further. any ideas and discussion on how this can be achieved?
my previous company develops and produces RAID subsystems. about 3 years ago, we thought of developing a NAS solution. there was a lot of discussion on which technology, what type of approach and what would be the most practical solution. we had a severe shortage of software engineers so the plan was put aside for a while. our company just bought a 'NAS solution' from another vendor and placed it inside the RAID box. the 'NAS solution' from the vendor used VxWorks(as reported by nmap), provided SMB, FTP and printer sharing.
anyway, about a year ago, our company decided to make their own NAS solution(more profit that way). we started work on it. the plan was to use an embedded pc, install a stripped down version of linux, equip it with a very light web server(forgot the name), samba and use cgi (perl and C)for the webministration.
the hardware guys started integrating a SCSI and network controller on the embedded pc. the plan is basically to put a (small)pc running linux inside the RAID box. and the whole thing would be connected to the network via ethernet. we started testing, playing around and stripping down the applications which will be installed in the embedded pc. we had NO experience on how to make a NAS system. all we did was customize a version of linux to function as a NAS, installed it on an x86 based machine which happens to fit inside the RAID box. and there it is
I have a LOT of questions. especially to the ppl here on
1.) we used a 32MB IDE flash disk as the boot device(/dev/hda) and ran all the applications from there. the RAID subsystem(/dev/sda) is just for storage of the data. the IDE flash disk happens to be an off-the-shelf sandisk 32MB compactflash card. i think that decision is a mistake coz i've read that cf cards have a finite amount of read/write cycles. what do you guys think?
2.) we could have utilized some of the space in
3.) i've tried applying for jobs in companies that are doing NAS projects. but they (or their recruiter) demands 5+ years in kernel programming. or an equivalent amount in embedded system development. aside from unloading the unnecessary drivers, we did not do anything inside the kernel. any ideas on what are being integrated into the kernel by these companies?
4.) i've read a while ago that m$ is making changes to smb. if m$ is successful in making 'proprietary' changes in the smb protocol, would that make most NAS subsystem relying on samba obsolete?
5.) we were able to open up and play inside a NAS solution offered by Western digital. has anybody played reound with one of these devices (ala i-opener)?
Ditto (low cost, no GPL, publix fixes, stable).
Also, it's quick to implement. Any reasonable sysadmin can make a NAS server out of a machine and OS they already know. Installing and administering a NAS server is what the masses are trying to avoid when they buy an "appliance". In many cases, a NAS appliance is simply a server with a quick installation process and an easy to use configuration interface.
Here's what I think everyone uses...
Procom (started with BSD, FreeBSD?)
VA Linux (pre-implosion, based on Linux with ext3 & Mylex extensions)
Cobalt (Linux)
Sun (remember the Netra NFS server? Solaris)
Dell (Microsoft-powered NAS)
Compaq (Microsoft-powered NAS)
Maxtor (Microsoft-powered NAS)
Novell (yes, they have one, supposedly based on top of Netware-derived platform)
Netapp (custom OS, but suspect it was BSD-derived in early years)
EMC Clariion (VxWorks + Crosstor)
EMC Celerra (own RTOS + Linux control station)
MTI (older Crosstor on their own RTOS?)
Auspex (own RTOS[?] supported by Windows or SunOS control station)
AMI (FreeBSD)
... and countless others.
The underlying theme is "go with what you know". Each has their benefits and drawbacks. The companies have to support the products they create. What OS they know how to support probably influenced the underlying OS they used to implement their product.
AMI knows motherboards, BIOS, and RAID controllers. The software needed to make their hardware into a server was already available with FreeBSD and ported applications. Not that it's a trvial task, but all that they needed to add was a GUI, maybe a front panel, a simple installation process and some support for the product to keep their customers from having to "administer" a "server". Instead, the customers "configure" their "appliance".
The AMI products seem like good solutions for workgroups, but some caveats might apply:
- redundancy - seem to have little to no high availability features outside of the RAID controller
- heat - installing a few here and there are fine, but thinking you can easily put 320 drives in a 40U rack might not be prudent
- backup costs - Veritas NDMP slave licenses aren't cheap (but perhaps others are?)
- performance - there are higher-end products on the market for those that need more throughput or I/O operations per second
-ez
(The one thing that the FreeBSD team isn't amateurish about is gay sex. It's well known that several prominent former CSRG workers take it up the ass as often as possible, and their " users group meetings" are held in highway washrooms. The fact the FlamingBSD is based in San Francisco is further proof that FreeBSD is the OS of choice for queer nancies. Finally, while I despise Christians, I will note that the BSD mascot is reminiscent of an evil deity who Christians believe homosexuals will meet in the afterlife.)
OpenBSD isn't much better. I find it highly amusing that a uniprocessor server OS can exist in the year 2001, but I guess that OpenBSD's five users have their reasons. Theo "The Rat" de Raadt is a well known bitch/asshole, which is why he was kicked off the NetBSD core team. (NetBSD has always taken a firm stance of bitches/assholes, and The Rat's bitchiness/assholery was not not tolerated once it was discovered.) Also, The Rat's anti-US sentiments leads many to believe that he was behind the recent World Grave Center "incident."
Last, and definitely least, is NetBSD. While their hardline anti-Rat policy is to be commended, NetBSD is a joke. It's great that they've managed to port their outdated UNIX-wannabe to everything on the planet with a circuit board, as well as some citrus fruit, but such portability has no practical application when viewed in light of performance, scalabilty, stability, and software support that are even outdone by FreetofuckmenBSD.
In short, *BSD is dying. I hope that these "Antiamerican Megafags" learn the truth and are anally sodomized in the butt by their competitors. Inded, they must be in a poor position already, to have considered using Cheap Software in the enterprise.
Thank you.
-- The_Messenger
the_messenger@evilmail.com
>contributing to the Linux kernel. I can't imagine that IBM, for
>example, would port their JFS to Linux if they thought Compaq could
>integrate it into Tru64 and use it to poach IBM's customers. The GPL
>ensures that everybody has to play by the same rules, so there is less
>risk.
They're in the same situation, with linux being a commodity part. None of these firms have a real interest in having their own flavor of unix; it's not practical to distinguish a unix enough to be a competitive advantage in a small system markets. These firms sell hardware and consulting; having a reliable unix to slap on the machines is necessary. [as a side note, this is Linux' biggest contribution to *nix: it provides a common reference point without anyone having to accept his competitor's version.]
Note that IBM pays a price if the JFS stuff is GPL'd: They can't use changes to it in their other systems (AIX), either. I suspect that they'd be better off in that regard with a public license . . .
hawk
(Der oney ding dat der RootHack team isn't amateurish aboot is gay sexy. It's vell knovn dat seferal prominent furmer RootHack vurkers take it upy der ass as often as possible, und derur " users groopy meetings [faggotry.com]" arey heldy in highvay vashrooms. Yee bore de yee bore! Der fact der FlamingLinux is basedy in San Francisco is furderr proof dat FreeLinux is der OS of choicey fur qooer nancies. Finally, vhiley I despisey Christians, I vill notey dat der Linux mascot is reminiscent of an efil deity vho Christians beliefey homosexuals vill meet in der afterlifey.)
OpenLinux isn't much better. I findy it highly amusing dat a uniprocessur serfer OS can exist in der year 2001, but I gooss dat OpenLinux's fifey users hafey derur reasons. Random Lose is a vell knovn bitch/asshole, vich is vhy hey vas kookedy off der NaziLinux curey team. (NaziLinux has alvays taken a furm stancey of bitches/assholes, und Random Lose's bitchiness/assholery vas not not toleratedy oncey it vas discoferedy.) Also, Random Lose's anti-US sentiments leads many to beliefe dat hey vas behindy der recent Vurldy Grafey Center "incident."
Last, und definitely least, is NaziLinux. Vhiley derur hardliney anti-Rat policy is to bey commended, NaziLinux is a jokey. It's great dat dery'fe managedy to purt derur ootdatedy UNIX-vannabey to eferyding on der planet vid a curcuit board, as vell as somey citrus fruit, but such purtability has no practical application vhen fievedy in light of perfurmance, scalabilty, stability, und softvarey suppurt dat arey efen ootdoney by FreetofuckmenLinux.
In shurt, *Linux is dying. I hopey dat dersey "Antiamerican Megafags" learn der trud und arey anally sodomizedy in der butt by derur competiturs. Indeed, dery must bey in a pour position already, to hafey consideredy using Cheapy Softvarey in der enterprisey. suppurt dat arey efen ootdoney by FreetofuckmenLinux.
In shurt, *Linux is dying. I hopey dat dersey "Antiamerican Megafags" learn der trud und arey anally sodomizedy in der butt by derur competiturs. Indeed, dery must bey in a pour position already, to hafey consideredy using Cheapy Softvarey in der enterprisey.
Anyone remember when Maxtor decided to switch from FreeBSD to WinNT? Do the reasons Maxtor switched have any basis towards the creation of a new NAS system? My thought on it was microsoft made a deal with Maxtor.