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New Cell Phone Typing Solution

merlin_jim writes "Found this article on MSNBC about a new Cell Phone typing solution. It uses silicon sensors that can recognize the "shape" of each finger. The meaning of each key changes depending on which finger you use to press it; index finger for A, middle finger for B, etc. Unused finger/key combinations can be assigned to functions like ring volume." Watch out for those pop-up advertisements on your way into MSNBC. This is an idea I never really thought about for single handed typing input. A very cool idea.

184 comments

  1. Great Idea! by Accipiter · · Score: 2

    I was typing, but I figured out I can't type any letter past the letter J.

    Damn.

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    1. Re:Great Idea! by Frac · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard? This technology doesn't support the one-buttoned Apple mouse!

    2. Re:Great Idea! by SnapShot · · Score: 1

      y finer is cuh in he oor!

      sen hel!!

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  2. Hmmm... by fizban · · Score: 1

    This is going to prove a problem for all those "index-finger" typers out there.

    click...click...click...click...click..........( wh ere's that damn '~'?)....click...

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by matthew.thompson · · Score: 2
      Isn't that what Tegic's T9 was developed for?

      It's what I use on my Nokia 6210 and it's great, user dictionary entries and multiple languages mean even my French is spelt correctly ;o)

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  3. Fine, except... by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...except that I use the thumb to press every key on the cellphone, holding it with the rest of the fingers.

    If we have to use every finger, this means you suddenly need to use both hands just to use the phone - not a step forward.

    /Janne

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    1. Re:Fine, except... by Bobman1235 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...except that I use the thumb to press every key on the cellphone, holding it with the rest of the fingers.

      Good point. I dont' think this idea will really take off when people realize they have to put their cell phone down somewhere in order to use it. There's very little point in having a cell phone if you have to go find a desk somewhere to sit just to use it--might as well just get a laptop or something.

      And not to sound snotty, but what's really the big deal with typing in names, etc., using the telephone keypads? If you do it enough, you should become pretty fast at it, seriously. If you want to write a novel maybe you should just accept the fact that the cell phone is not the best medium for that type of communication.

    2. Re:Fine, except... by toxcspdrmn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about people who through accident of birth (or just plain accident) have less than the standard complement of digits?

      The one thing that current cellphones have in their favour is that if you can hold one and have one finger or thumb spare, you can use it (sight/hearing impairments excepted).

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    3. Re:Fine, except... by mikey_boy · · Score: 1

      This is true, but it could be something which is an added feature rather than the only way it works. ie if you use the same digit for repeated keypresses, then it will cycle through the characters in the same way. If you want to use the one finger one character approach, you can use more than one digit.

      It shouldn't be too tricky to develop this so that it can allow both modes ... providing enhanced functionality for those who can be arsed to get used to a new way of typing.

      cheers

      Mike

    4. Re:Fine, except... by Benjamin+Shniper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It hurts my hand to type this way.

      I will type k with both hands - try it yourself
      kkkkkkkkkk

      Unlike keyboard typing, you MUST move your hand to do it, and if you do not you will hurt your hand. Also, you may need to hold the phone with one hand and use the other to make a message.

      Why not have shifts/control buttons on the back of the phone where one's hand would normally be, so that you could get the same effect by pressing with one of the four fingers holding the phone, while still only needing the thumb to type with?

      -Ben

    5. Re:Fine, except... by Vapula · · Score: 2

      What is great with cell phones is that, even if you're blind, you can use it...

      look at the 5 digit... About all cellphones have marks either on the key or around it (a little like the 5 on a computer keypad and the F and J on the keyboards).

      These allows blind people to dial the phone number even without seeing the keys.

      With a little practice, you may even use it if you're not blind... You're in your car and want to phone someone, no need to have a look at your phone in his carkit to dial the number !!!

    6. Re:Fine, except... by AndyChrist · · Score: 1

      That would NOT be neccesary for a blind person to use it. Well, maybe it gives them a speed boost, but the keypads are only three keys wide. It is not that easy to get lost on them.

    7. Re:Fine, except... by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > I will type k with both hands - try it yourself
      > kkkkkkkkkk

      Which reminds me, touch-typists can have a lot of fun grepping /usr/dict/words and typing one-handed:

      i join my hippy union. you pin holly on johnny; i jump on you only. in my opinion, you look plump - kill my unholy puppy.

    8. Re:Fine, except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My european roomate told me this is the way some phones worked. (I must admit that I don't have a cell phone, so maybe my opinions don't count, but that's another story).

      He said the up/down rocker button could be used like that... up+1st key = A, nothing+1st key = B, down+1st key = C, etc.

      Is it possible this option already exists in some phones, and maybe people just don't turn it on?

      As a side note, when I was visting my roomate over in Croatia, everyone had a cellphone and spent a lot of time typing in SMS messages. I wouldn't call it inefficient, you would see someone pound out a full message in just a minute or two. I would just sit there and look at my hand, moving my thumb around. I was trying to blend in.

    9. Re:Fine, except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. I have a friend who is minus a finger due to a farm-implement accident (he was lucky to lose just the finger). This is not an unusual situation in farm-heavy areas. Will they allow personalized settings to compensate for things like this?

      It bugs me when people designing things (web pages, this interface, building entrances, glove-based inputs, etc.) don't think about the non-standard case. You can design for the norm while still allowing adjustments for others.

      Posting anon cuz i'm at work...

    10. Re:Fine, except... by srvivn21 · · Score: 2


      If we have to use every finger, this means you suddenly need to use both hands just to use the phone


      Or just buy a phone that doesn't use this method of input. Problem solved. That's the great thing about a capitalistic market where competition is present. If you don't like one product, there are others to choose from.
    11. Re:Fine, except... by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly. All I'm doing is to point out a potentially very serious problem with this method as opposed to current techniques. Does capitalism imply that I can not criticize one method over another?

      /Janne

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    12. Re:Fine, except... by srvivn21 · · Score: 1

      Certainly not. Sorry if I implied otherwise. In your post you stated your views that this was "not a step forward". I (poorly I admit) was just stating that I thought this was a neat trick, and might be something that I was interested in, and if you didn't like it, you were free to choose another method of data input. Obviously, I could have been more clear.

    13. Re:Fine, except... by kaimiike1970 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have one of those Motorola email pagers and I can type very fast on it. Probably faster than on a regular (I hunt and peck) keyboard. I hold it in my hands and use both thumbs on it(the pager).

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    14. Re:Fine, except... by jci · · Score: 1

      I think a while back on slashdot... or somewhere, I saw an alternate input search.
      Thumbscript is a pretty easy to learn method for typing full blown letters on a 9-number pad. Of course, I haven't seen it in any real devices, but I had it down after three tries through the alphabet.
      Pretty clever

    15. Re:Fine, except... by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

      i join my hippy union. you pin holly on johnny; i jump on you only. in my opinion, you look plump - kill my unholy puppy.

      We agree!

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      (I wish there was more useful punctuation on that half of the keyboard.)

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    16. Re:Fine, except... by JanneM · · Score: 1

      And looking back, I realize I overreacted a bit to your post - and should have written a friendlier post even had you meant what I thought you meant.

      /Janne

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    17. Re:Fine, except... by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > I wish there was more useful punctuation on that half of the keyboard.)

      I'm still playing with alternating left/right words in sentences. Great way to fsck up a touch-typist :)

    18. Re:Fine, except... by srvivn21 · · Score: 1

      Well then. No harm, no foul. =o)

  4. Shouldn't the middle finger be... by pastie · · Score: 2, Funny

    `F', not `B'? I'm pretty sure that's what I mean when I use _my_ middle finger.

    :)

  5. Only good for animals by Misfit · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Most humans use their opposable thumbs with cellphones.

  6. from the look-ma-one-hand dept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the article, it takes 10 fingers, also known as two hands.

    Sorry CT, looks like your mama ain't gonna be impressed with ya this time ;)

  7. high cost? by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 0, Insightful

    "At a cost of about $1 per sensor, it seems unlikely the phone manufacturers would implement this technology anytime soon."

    yeah ok when i buy my new $500+ phone i sure bet that the manufacturers would hesitate about putting a few $1 sensors in. besides now that same phone would have a new feature! so they would probably up the price anyways.
    even a chep little nokia couldnt be made that much more expensive with a few $1 sensors... could it?

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  8. perhaps a different view by donabal · · Score: 1

    IBM has been developing stuff like this for years, but little credit is given to them.

    typing solutions aside, pointing devices without the devices!

    when will the future be now?
    --donabal

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    1. Re:perhaps a different view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like the mouse tracking that was on slash-dot a few weeks ago; a great way to demograph people who thought they were safe in their own homes :-(

  9. Only one problem: by MBCook · · Score: 1

    There is only one problem with this. I type with my thumb on my cell phone. That way I can hold it in my hand and type with my thumb, useing only one had. To do this you would have to hold the phone in one hand and type with the other, there by makeing it less convenient. Maybe you could do something like four buttons on the side of the phone and the combination you press them in let's you do different things. Like a cording keyboard.

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    1. Re:Only one problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "To do this you would have to hold the phone in one hand and type with the other, there by makeing it less convenient."

      Damn, how the hell am I supposed to drive now, holding the phone with both hands!?

  10. SMS fanatics by Voidhobo · · Score: 1

    Even though I never quite understood why my fellow Germans write so many messages on their teeny-weenie pieces of Finnish or German ingeniouity (or just plain Taiwanese ingeniouty, if you're gonna be nit-picky), they will have to love this. I've seen cell phones that no longer had writing on their buttons because they'd been pressed so much in the process of writing important messages like "I was just thinking about you" or "I'll be running 3 minutes late" and the like.

  11. cell phone typing by mgbaron · · Score: 0

    i like the method that my cell phone (samsung 8500) uses where it attempts to guess what word you are typing but things seriously need to improve if things like wireless web and mail services are going to be taken seriously on the cell phone market. I bought something on amazon once on my cell phone, maybe it was the novelty, but i will never do it again until a better system is developed. perhaps this is it

    matt

  12. What I don't get... by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is the backside of almost all cell phones is wasted space. Put a small keypad with a slip cover over it and give the user a stylus to type with. For that matter, put a one or two line LCD display there so you can see just the last word or words typed.

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    1. Re:What I don't get... by sporty · · Score: 1

      I like the fact that the back of my cell phone is flat. I have put my cell phone in backwards (buttons facing skin) and it gets kinda uncomfortable. Mind you, some of us just don't put our cell phones on a clip.

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    2. Re:What I don't get... by drsoran · · Score: 2

      The backside of my cell phone has this interesting little gadget called a "battery".

    3. Re:What I don't get... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      My Motorola MicroTac has the battery on the front. The back side is just unused real estate, and the fact is with the size of these things, real estate is valuable. Consider a phone where the entire back or most of it is a removable battery and you have a design issue. Some designs the battery slides up into the phone, freeing up the backside for a creative designer to make use of.

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    4. Re:What I don't get... by drsoran · · Score: 1

      *shrug* My Ericsson R280LX has a low profile battery that takes up the entire back. I really couldn't care less since it's in a carrying case with a belt clip all the time. As for design issues. What's there to design? I like my phones black or dark gray with a simple to use keypad and a nice well lit display. I don't need neon colors, polka dots, or LCD screens the size of a palm pilot.. it's a phone. I use it to make phone calls. :-)

    5. Re:What I don't get... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to worry about wasted space on the back side if the front has a Palm OS screen with stylus input, ie, something like the Kyocera QCP6035 Smartphone.

  13. problems? by skotte · · Score: 0

    So does this mean none of my fFriends can ever use my macine, unless the sizes of their fFingers are exactly the same?
    and what about my fFriends who are missing fFingers?

  14. Combinations and Velocity Sensing... by BiggestPOS · · Score: 1

    Like 'F' and 'U' when press really HARD with my Middle finger. Easy to learn, and natural too :)

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  15. What if you are wearing gloves? by wowbagger · · Score: 2

    What if it is cold outside, and you are wearing gloves?

    1. Re:What if you are wearing gloves? by morningwood · · Score: 1

      How much typing in general can you do with gloves?

  16. Don't be so negative by kruemelmonster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's new, it's hype... it isn't fair to come with facts here... You have to be excited about that! Didn't you know?
    Because the volume of sold phone isn't more rising, they have top bring something new, that everyone must have. BUY IT!
    Or you're responsible it the whole marketing-bubble collapses!

    PS: ouups... seems i forgot the tags

  17. And if you're missing a few fingers? by afniv · · Score: 5, Funny

    And if you are missing a few fingers, what is one to do? If you're missing your middle finger, you are already disadvantaged in communications when you're driving. Hopefully that doesn't spread to telephones.

    I didn't read the article to avoid the popups, so kill my karma if it was answered in the article.

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    1. Re:And if you're missing a few fingers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so by that logic, when tv was invented, they should have said, what if you're blind, and not released it. no radio either cause you could be deaf. that's just great!

    2. Re:And if you're missing a few fingers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are missing a few fingers, then this technology might not be the one for you. If you are in a wheelchair, you probably aren't terribly interested in running sneakers. really dumb question.

    3. Re:And if you're missing a few fingers? by 5KVGhost · · Score: 1

      Actually it's not a dumb question. People in wheelchairs have no use for sneakers. People with missing fingers still have a need for cell phones. If this technology became the de-facto standard for cell phone keypads it could be a problem. You might be surprised at how many people are missing fingers or fingertips.

  18. Watch out for those pop-up advertisements... by MongooseCN · · Score: 5, Funny

    Watch out for those pop-up advertisements on your way into MSNBC.

    That's what the middle fingers function will be for...

    1. Re:Watch out for those pop-up advertisements... by atoms · · Score: 1

      I'm glad this was mentioned. It reminded me to test the no-pop ups feature of Mozilla. It worketh!

    2. Re:Watch out for those pop-up advertisements... by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > > Watch out for those pop-up advertisements on your way into MSNBC.
      >
      > > That's what the middle fingers function will be for...

      And just think, if it facilitates one-handed typing, too!

      H0T $M$ $TUD SKS H0T $M$ B4B3 4 CYBER! W00T!

  19. middle finger! by sewagemaster · · Score: 1



    the shape of my middle finger determines how hard i'm trying to 'F' that key to work

  20. Not good... by dingo · · Score: 1

    I wonder exactly how much thought is given to people missing fingers or with deformities.
    Probably none.
    I bet it wont make mainstream for that reason no matter how cool it is.

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    1. Re:Not good... by zoward · · Score: 1

      I'd be inclined to say it won't be popular becuase it requires too much training on behalf of the end user. Who wants to have to learn how to use a device-specific ten-fingered code just to use a cell phone? At least the PDA-specific handwriting schemes like Jot and Graffiti are at least somewhat similar to english. I'm sure there's a decent cell phone UI out there waiting to be discovered. Alas, I'm also sure that this isn't it.

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    2. Re:Not good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just won't buy it, fool.
      Should they make a line of phones that people without any hands can use?

    3. Re:Not good... by og_sh0x · · Score: 1

      How much thought do they give to disabled people when they put in a staircase? None... They just put in an elevator or ramp next to the stairs. By the same token, if a disabled person cannot use this phone, they will buy a traditional phone! Gimme a break...

    4. Re:Not good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'd be inclined to say it won't be popular becuase it requires too much training on behalf of the end user. Who wants to have to learn how to use a device-specific ten-fingered code just to use a cell phone? At least the PDA-specific handwriting schemes like Jot and Graffiti are at least somewhat similar to english. I'm sure there's a decent cell phone UI out there waiting to be discovered. Alas, I'm also sure that this isn't it.

      Actually, the PDA and cellphone have already been combined: Kyocera QCP6035 Smartphone.

  21. Big Sister (Mavis Beacon) Is Watching You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When i was twelve, i thought it would be really cool if someone would come up with a way to put fingerprint scanners inside of each key on a keyboard. They could be there for extra extra security when you were using the computer or just entering your passwords or whatever, and they could be sold to schools so that typing programs would be able to tell if you were using the right fingers on the right keys or not.

    ...

    OK, that's a totally unfeasable idea. I was twelve. Give me a break.

    However, looking at this article i remember my idea, and wonder: how difficult would it be to take this cell phone technology and adapt it to creating a full keyboard with finger sensors on each key. It could be sold to elementary schools so that, because the computer would become able to sense which fingers were being used for which keys at every moment, Mavis Beacon or whatever could notice which fingers were being used to type and pop up and say Hey, You'd be able to type faster and kill the zombies more quickly if you used these fingers in these places instead of these other places (see?) where you use them now.

    Hm?

    on the other hand, maybe we could just give elementary schools some Dvorak keyboards, and then finger placement wouldn't be such an issue. i think i'll wander off and sit alone in my room and ponder the wonderfully wierd things you could do if you created a synthesizer with finger-sensor tech embedded in the keys..

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  22. 2 finger chords by shibut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This looks interesting but expensive to implement (the article says $1 per sensor for 1 key and then you need to license & implement the technology). It seems to me that it would be easier to add 3-4 more buttons to an SMS phone that were pressed simultaneosly with the "letter" buttons. Since 2 hands are needed to operate the finger differentiating method, it won't matter if you use 2 hand for this "chord". In particular, those of us that thumb-type on a cell can just use both thumbs.

    Just an idea....

    1. Re:2 finger chords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the answer is not just a few more buttons; the answer is the smartphone, which combines a PDA and cellphone, like the Kyocera QCP6035 Smartphone.

  23. Better for the PSX control pad by YouAreFatMan · · Score: 1
    "Another use of the technology would be for video game controllers. Instead of placing multiple buttons on a controller (Sony's controller for the PlayStation 2 has eight buttons, not even counting the four direction buttons and the start and select buttons), a single button or a few buttons could be used for all the functions, with each finger denoting a particular action."

    This is actually a better idea than using it on cell phones.

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    1. Re:Better for the PSX control pad by Guignol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it isn't either, for the same geometry problem.
      The problem for cellphone, is that the way you use it, (mostly with your thumb) is with a fixed position of the hand.
      For a gamepad, this is pretty much the same, and in fact, it's even worse, because you have higher speed concerns.
      To play most action games, you position your fingers above the buttons you will be using and combine, click and click again as fast as possible.
      You would use a considerable amount of time to try clicking the same button with different fingers, it's much better to have as many buttons as possible comfortably spread around the device so that you have them all ready to click/trigger/press..
      The invention is interesting, but pretty useless in fact, they could have as well invented a camera that could sense your head orientation so that you could do a few things just by moving your head.
      It would be interesting but useless, it's not useful just because it is possible or even cool.
      The few examples they propose in the article and for what patents were filled are all equaly useless (and even dangerous).
      But I could see an application that maybe they forgot to patent:
      someone could make a teaching keyboard to train people for typing, or music... where a program could teach the student how to position his fingers and monitor if the words are entered correctly, or if a melody is played "the right way", things like that...

  24. Gaming by Lizard_King · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another use of the technology would be for video game controllers. Instead of placing multiple buttons on a controller (Sony's controller for the PlayStation 2 has eight buttons, not even counting the four direction buttons and the start and select buttons), a single button or a few buttons could be used for all the functions, with each finger denoting a particular action.

    This would mean a fundamental change to gaming interaction. Instead of training our hands/fingers to move according to a certain button pattern on an input device, we would need to train our hands/fingers to react in different combinations.

    Take a simple example: Imagine you are sitting in a completely closed off room (some isolated test environment) and you are told that you need to press buttons (provided in the room) to get food and water. So you learn to press this button over here to get food and that button over there to get water, and so on. Now, the test environment changes and removes the buttons from your little room. Now, you must learn to perform certain actions to get food and water like raising your right hand for food and raising your left hand for water.

    Would this change of approach be benificial to gaming?

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    1. Re:Gaming by Nyarly · · Score: 1
      Take a simple example: Imagine you are sitting in a completely closed off room (some isolated test environment) and you are told that you need to press buttons (provided in the room) to get food and water. So you learn to press this button over here to get food and that button over there to get water, and so on. Now, the test environment changes and removes the buttons from your little room. Now, you must learn to perform certain actions to get food and water like raising your right hand for food and raising your left hand for water.

      Sounds like House of Stairs, which was a decent read way back when. Basically an experiment in conditioning, but where the required behavior isn't demonstrated.

      Would this change of approach be benificial to gaming? No. I really don't think so. The PS2 has "analog" buttons already (read: pressure sensative), which is a strange enough change in gaming interaction. The game controller needs to be a non-item. The ideal is that you forget that there is an interface between you and the game, not that you can type a screenplay with to keys. To that end, the controller needs to be flexible, but incredibly intuitive. And you need to be able to use it in a number of ways, including resting it on your knee or table for fighting games, for instance.

      A button finger combination thing just makes that more difficult.

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    2. Re:Gaming by Carthain · · Score: 1
      Take a simple example: Imagine you are sitting in a completely closed off room (some isolated test environment) and you are told that you need to press buttons (provided in the room) to get food and water. So you learn to press this button over here to get food and that button over there to get water, and so on. Now, the test environment changes and removes the buttons from your little room. Now, you must learn to perform certain actions to get food and water like raising your right hand for food and raising your left hand for water.

      Would this change of approach be benificial to gaming?

      Actually, This kind of approach has been tried before. Remember back when you use to play on your NES system? There was a 'controler' you could get for it called the Power Glove. To move in a direction, you moved your arm, to press a button, you kinda twitched on of your fingers. This is similar to what they are suggesting, as it is a new paradigm.

      I think the biggest problem with the power glove was that it required so much more energy to use. Having to hold your arm up and out, and then fully 'closing' your finger to press a button. Compared to the slight movements required to press a button.

      This new technology will try to change the paradigm once again, but it may be more successful as it requires less movement. But then again, some games may end up requiring you to practically wave your hands back and forth as you use one of your fingers to go press another button.

      I don't think gamers will care too much for that. We're a lazy lot

    3. Re:Gaming by siegesama · · Score: 1

      Just wanted to point out a couple of things, not necessarily in response to Lizard-King's post, but to the quote from it.

      The PS2 controller has ten buttons, not counting the non-analog directional four on the left side, and not counting start and select. The two analog sticks can be depressed as a button each, separate to the actual movements of the analog stick (like the scroll-wheel on a mouse is also the middle button). The PS2 controller (or the dual-shock PS controller) is also probably one of the BEST controller designs ever given to players (in my humblest of opinions).


      a single button or a few buttons could be used for all the functions, with each finger denoting a particular action.

      That sounds fine, but that's only usefull if you're only pressing one button at a time. I haven't played a game (non RPG) in a very long time that you could work like that. Each button is marked for a single function, and often multiple functions have to occur at the same time For example; braking hard, skidding right, toggling weapons and firing a gas-tank (ala Twisted Metal Black) while laying out a spray of machine-gun fire on the off-chance you'd catch someone in it. If you had to combine multiple finger presses for any one of those actions, performing them all simultaneously would be... interesting to say the least.

      Even with the original Nintendo you used more than one button at a time (sometimes even with the same finger). Running and jumping and throwing fireballs from midair at hapless goombas, for instance.

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  25. Big fat fingers by hyrdra · · Score: 2

    How does his system account for the different shapes of different peoples' hands? Do you have to calibrate it for your own fingers, or can anyone use it? For example, what if a woman, with more slender fingers used the phone? How would it be able to tell the difference between a fat index finger and a regular thumb?

    It doesn't seem too promising to me, mainly because there simply isn't any algorithm which can account for the widly varying differences in human geometry, especially the hands.

    I'd like to see it work before I would incorporate in my phone, and just not work for me. Take ten people with odd shaped fingers and see if it works.

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  26. Could also be used for touch screens by TheMidget · · Score: 1

    A similar feature could also be used for those public internet kiosks, which have no mouse, but just a touch screen. Now the age-old question "How to you right-click on these beasts?" has an answer: use the little finger rather than the index .Didn't work so far, but with this technology, it will ;-)

    1. Re:Could also be used for touch screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and if you have "dirty" (i.e. white...) fingers, it'll take you to... never mind...

  27. MSNBC by manon · · Score: 1

    The day that MS is going to spam my cellphone, I'm going to headbang my keys I think.

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  28. Sounds like chordic by LazyDawg · · Score: 1

    Seriously folks, once the world gets over the whole one-key-per-letter rut that they're stuck in, alternative keyboard models like chordic will really start to pick up.

    You can probably get away with chordic on a cel phone if you change the form factor a little. Imagine a phone that you carry at your side, in a fist, until you are done dialling or writing notes or whatever. It could even have a wireless connection to your various wearable devices so you never have to worry about switching keyboards. Imagine, stylus in one hand, phone in the other, and headset in ear. You'd be an unstoppable nerd machine!

    Of course I can imagine geeks having a hard time learning 5-digit letter codes. After all, who would want to learn something like that? Not me. No siree. I'll just happily write bad letters with my palm and scribble on my newton and slow myself down with bulky physical keyboards. :)

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    1. Re:Sounds like chordic by Tassach · · Score: 2
      Exactly! Chord keyboards (like the twiddler) make a whole lot sense for wearable & mobile computing, when you have to enter a lot of free text. Voice control is good for executing pre-programmed macros or for small data entry tasks, but is awkward in many circumstances. Handwriting recognition has a lot of potential but requires two hands.



      The problem is human factors -- getting people used to a new idea. People are used to the 1 button - 1 function idea. Plus you have the training issue: there are not a lot of people who are capable of teaching themselves touch-typing; there are probably fewer who could learn how to chord without an instructor.

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  29. SMS messages... by TheMidget · · Score: 1
    And not to sound snotty, but what's really the big deal with typing in names, etc., using the telephone keypads? If you do it enough, you should become pretty fast at it, seriously. If you want to write a novel maybe you should just accept the fact that the cell phone is not the best medium for that type of communication.

    I understand that in the US you mostly use your phones for talking. However, in other parts of the world, people also use them for text messages. Although these are not novels, even a 150 character message is pretty slow to enter, so a faster input method would definately help.

    1. Re:SMS messages... by stain+ain · · Score: 2

      You are right, SMS are 160 chars long and we use it _a lot_, but I just tried using different fingers in my phone keyboard, I don't like it at all, it is not comfortable!
      I think that the predictive text input used in many phones is great, you can type really fast, I doubt that a much faster rate can be achieved with the new method.
      Still, I type much faster on my computer; something that gets me to that speed would be great, maybe voice recognition!, but this one is not that good.

    2. Re:SMS messages... by pallex · · Score: 1

      How about a method of converting speech into SMS? That way, instead of spending 10 pence on a 5 minute off-peak phone call, you could instead spend it on a 160 characters text message. Now thats progress!

    3. Re:SMS messages... by doob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes. predictive text is ducking excellent. I used to have one of those piece of shiv phones that didn't have it, but my new 6210 is the dog's collo?.

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  30. Those annoying popups by devlogic · · Score: 1

    Actually, I saw a solution to this earlier this week (at least, it's a solution if you're using a recent build of Mozilla)...

    in prefs.js (in the linux version, it's in ~/.mozilla), add this line:

    user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

    it kills popus that ocur during page loading, but still allows other popups on the page to work properly (like on my bank's web page)...

  31. Dictionary technology still better. by DHam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't see this being easier to use than the dictionary idea employed on Nokia phones (and probably others too). It gets you one push on each key and you can do it with your thumb. The newish Nokia 3330 even has multiple dictionaries so you can SMS in different languages. Admitadly it is a little clumsy when it doesn't know the word you're after, but once you've taught it your friends' names, you don't run into this too often.

    1. Re:Dictionary technology still better. by Anaplexian · · Score: 1

      jeesh. thanx buddy, I was going to write the exact same thing :)

    2. Re: Dictionary technology still better. by Omniscient+Ferret · · Score: 1

      That's T9 from Tegic. I've got it on my cell phone, and it's useful (even though it guesses "lands" instead of "james").

    3. Re:Dictionary technology still better. by MarcOiL · · Score: 1

      It's a really good idea, at least if the phone has a dictionary for your language. If not, it's just a big pain in the ass, as the dictionary constantly tries to write something, and it gets a lot more frustating than Clippy. I always end up turning it off (I speak Catalan, no luck!).

      I wish Nokia and the other phone makers could agree on a dictionary format that you could download to the phone. With Nokia's 3330, you can download logotypes, welcome screens, screensavers and music tones. Why not dictionaries? Or better yet, translations for the phone messages, I'm tired of my phone speaking to me in Spanish or Portuguese.

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  32. Nope, this won't do. by motherhead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and i don't care that it is fingers he are talking about, 10 individual fingers on a phone as tiny as any nokia is not only embarassing, but impractical.

    a rudimentary stylus pane and something like graphitti would be infinately more practical.

    i for one would stear clear of any appliance that wanted me to learn some obscure dvorkian-esque ten fingered gymnastics to enter in "John Walsh - Home".

    I sympathize with people that want to see a better interface implimented so they can text message, but this is hokie, regaurdless of the of the two patents and the $50,000 VC and the writeup in MSNBC...

    in the words of Steve Martin, "That was shit one, this is shit two..."

    1. Re:Nope, this won't do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Linux is the best. Linux is the greatest.

      On the other hand, remember this simple fact: *BSD is dying.

    2. Re:Nope, this won't do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      a rudimentary stylus pane and something like graphitti would be infinately more practical.

      Exactly! We already have a practical method for inputting data into small handheld devices: the PDA and sylus. The logical direction for cell phones is the smartphone, like the Kyocera QCP6035 Smartphone. Otherwise, if people want to have tiny, itsy bitsy cell phones, they would be better off using a PC to sync up with and download address book information.

  33. twiddler anyone? by codec · · Score: 1

    I would really love to see a manufacturer integrate a twiddler(TM) into the side of the phone.
    To me this makes perfect sense as that's generally where your fingers are anyway. Except of course for the phones that are too small to even hold normally.
    But to me this would be ideal. Especially if you imagine them one day making this into a full-function wearble.
    I'm salivating already.

  34. Single hand typing.... by loconet · · Score: 1

    without looking at the keys, and using all ur 5 fingers ..? its hard .
    I remember a while back ... in one of the new 007 movies .. the bad guy would type with his right hand while the left hand was holding the keyboard from underneath. This way he was able to move around with the keyboard while typing. It looked sooo 'hacky' .. should be a nice way to impress the ladies!

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  35. this is tricky by heyeq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have just tried this approach for the last ten minutes, and I must confess, this one is not too easy. I wonder if, if this tech ever reached our mobiles, we would be faced with the same conversion as say for example, a QWERTY to DVORAK keyboard change.
    People don't tend to change from something that they've grown accustomed to - the phones' interface hasn't really changed in years.
    Nevertheless, I'd be excited to see what this brings.

    1. Re:this is tricky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just hope that they don't try to use the QWERTY layout with some of these alternate text entry methods the article describes. QUERTY wasn't designed for single-finger typing. There have been a few alternate keyboard layouts designed (I think there was an article here about one by IBM not too long ago) that put commonly-used characters in the middle, so keys are easy to find without memorizing a layout, and finger travel time is reduced.

    2. Re:this is tricky by merlin_jim · · Score: 2

      I'd really like to see a mobile computing version of this. This idea applied to some of the mobile computing input technologies I've seen may actually get your input rates up and your learning curve down - both crucial to the continued growth of mobile computing.

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    3. Re:this is tricky by LegendLength · · Score: 1
      There have been a few alternate keyboard layouts designed (I think there was an article here about one by IBM not too long ago) that put commonly-used characters in the middle, so keys are easy to find without memorizing a layout, and finger travel time is reduced.
      You'd probably be thinking of the one handed Dvorak layouts for 101 key keyboards. They come in a left handed or right handed configuration, I think most versions of Windows support it.
  36. Re:Give me a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sir, I admire your views and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  37. Fingernails by booch · · Score: 2

    My fingers are a bit too big to hit the buttons, so I usually end up pressing the buttons with my fingernails. I seriously doubt that I'm going to hit the buttons in the same spot so that it generates a similar pattern each time.

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    1. Re:Fingernails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My fingers are a bit too big to hit the buttons

      Fat bastard.
  38. Already thought of it. by Domini · · Score: 2

    I'm developing an intelligent access control system for a client, running on a win32/linux combination system.

    We have a biometrics component to do fingerprint recognition (amoungst other things), and one application we have is for general building access control.

    But what is relevant to this article, is that we have different fingers (which are assigned to people, who in turn have security attributes) applied to different tasks... such as a index finger for normal opreration, pinkie for fire alarm, and middle finger for silent alarm (hostage situations)

    I don't think we are the only people who have thought of this though...

    1. Re:Already thought of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cool, thanks for the 411. now when i rob a bank, i'll be sure to make the security guard use his index finger, not his middle finger, to open the vault for me.

      unless of course you put that in there to fool me, and it's really the middle finger that's used for normal ops and the index finger for for silent alarm...

      but then you knew i'd think that!

      so i'll just tell the guard to open the vault, then stop him and make him switch fingers. unless he's a sicilian and death is on the line...

    2. Re:Already thought of it. by Domini · · Score: 2

      But I'm have studied, and in studying I have learnt that man is mortal.

      So I just give the middle finger and move on.
      ;)

      (PS: It's one of my favorite movies...)

      PS: The system is not hardcoded at all, it has client capable scripting... you can type a combination of fingers!
      ;)

      Cheers, and to the pain.

      Regards,

  39. label makers by British · · Score: 2

    We have a label maker at work, and since it's a narrow "box" basically, there are several rows of letters and numbers.

    Sounds easy to type in your message in the little LCD thing, right?

    Wrong. No matter how many times I use it, my typing speed drops dramatically, since I spend most of my time looking for the right letter to hit. Yet, on my Qualcomm, I can punch in a name much easier.

  40. Thumbs? by supabeast! · · Score: 2

    Don't most people hold the phone with fingers and type with thumbs? Everyone I know does, same for two ways and small PDA keyboards.

    A cute idea, but I have a feeling that it will not be well recieved.

  41. What we really need... by segmond · · Score: 1

    What we need is to organize the keypad such that the most frequently used letters are first.

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    1. Re:What we really need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that the order of the letters on a telephone keypad is put there *to slow you down*.

      ;-)

  42. Use Mozilla! by nicholasperez · · Score: 1

    Well if people stopped using silly IE or retarded Opera and invested a little time into compiling mozilla then we wouldn't need to worry about pop-ups with a handy little option added to prefs.js

    user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

    And amazingly I get no more pop-ups.

  43. Just get a wireless PDA by Sonicboom · · Score: 1

    *duh!*

    Get a wireless PDA and learn the script . It's not hard.

    I'm amused at how people want everything all wrapped up into one...

    What about an all-in-one:
    Phone/PDA/mp3_player/digital_camera/webcam/gaming_ system/garage_door_opener/wristwatch/shoe_shiner/d og_whistle/ass_whiper/microwave_oven?

    (groan)

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  44. But of course! by Spankophile · · Score: 2
    > This is an idea I never really thought about for single handed typing input. A very cool idea.


    Surprising of course since Taco has of course thought of all the other great ideas ever imagined.

  45. Mood sensor as well by moderate_this · · Score: 1, Funny

    "dcbadcbadcba" - what do you mean to type ? Oh, nothing I'm just impatent.

  46. Less is more. by Darth+RadaR · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about just putting one button on cell phones and have everybody learn morse code. :)

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    1. Re:Less is more. by Fjord · · Score: 1

      As funny as this is, it is a good idea (well, not just 1 button, but have 1 button for morse input). I would gladly learn morse code to input into my phone faster.

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  47. No redundancy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With 5 fingers on each hand, we have a lot of redundancy. If I've injured my thumb and it's all bandaged up and I can't type with it, I can always use another finger to get the same work done. Not with this system!

    "srry fr nt typing my O's - my middle finger is ut f cmissin!"

  48. A More Sensible Approach... by ~packetfire~ · · Score: 1

    Look at a Motorola StarTac.

    It has three buttons on the SIDE of the unit.

    They have various functions.

    Is it so hard to imagine pressing one of these
    3 buttons at the same time as the keypad to
    select an alpha character, and pressing only
    the keypad to select a numeral?

    This approach has been used with several
    factory-floor handheld terminals since the
    late 1970s, starting with Termiflex Corp of
    Nashua, NH (usa).

    Yes, the 3 buttons are a tad close together,
    and yes, holding the phone in your right hand
    while pushing the keypad with your left is
    clearly a "left-handed" operation.

    But nothing is stopping the creation of a
    "right handed" version, is there?

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  49. Re:Shouldn't the middle finger be...4 by billybob2001 · · Score: 2

    If you're dialling(? keying?) a number instead of a letter, the middle finger should produce a 4 as shown
    here.
    For UK users, please dial 6, for metal freaks, please dial 18.

  50. Give you phone a finger. by Axe · · Score: 1

    I know, i know.. when I press it with middle finger it calls my boss...

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  51. This will make it even more dangerous... by Gruneun · · Score: 2

    when I'm trying to dial a number while driving.

  52. You're talking about CmdrTaco, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ??

  53. Prior art? by big_cat79 · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering if this will fall under prior art because the middle finger already represents the letters m, o, t, h, e, r, f, u, c, k, e, and r? Just a thought.

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  54. That's a good point, except... by interiot · · Score: 2

    How often do you have to enter a lot of text with only one hand free?

    1. Re:That's a good point, except... by tsa · · Score: 1

      I heard that some schoolchildren in Holland seem to suffer from 'SMS-thumbs', just like normal people have mouse-arms. Strange because SMS is outrageously expensive in Holland...

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    2. Re:That's a good point, except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I'm Cybaring via text chat, getting hot and steamy in a public bathroom stall, I want to touch my cock hotly!

    3. Re:That's a good point, except... by Homewrecker · · Score: 0

      Adult chat rooms? Although, if you're writing War And Peace-esque content in such a situation, the logistics of typing are probably not a prime concern.

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    4. Re:That's a good point, except... by JanneM · · Score: 1

      How often do you have to enter a lot of text with only one hand free?

      All the time. This is mostly used for SMS, and the usual setting for an SMS message is while you're standing, waiting for a bus or train, or similar situations. It's actually very quick to type out a quick message by your thumb, without having to put down your bag or similar.

      /Janne

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    5. Re:That's a good point, except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn good point. People, put down your bag or briefcase, hold the phone with one hand, and type with the other. Once people get used it they will find this is faster than hitting a button three times for one letter.

    6. Re:That's a good point, except... by Bert64 · · Score: 0

      Outrageously expensive? the libertel izi prepaid gsm card seemed perfectly reasonable to me.. 5 cents per text i was told (i dont read dutch.. someone had to tell me the costs, so i could be wrong), compare that to 12 pence (around 42 dutch cents) for vodafone uk (libertel is the dutch arm of vodafone). I would assume a contract mobile would be cheaper too, in both cases.

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  55. Other Applicattions .... by scotch · · Score: 1
    It uses silicon sensors that can recognize the "shape" of each finger.

    These sensors could be installed in artificial breasts - automatically warning jealous husbands when a finger other than their own is touching the breast.

    Thank you very much - I'll be here all week.

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  56. CmdrTaco and one handed typing.. by epyx · · Score: 1

    Now if we could only find an easier way to clean the keyboard..

  57. Innovative but not practical at all... by frleong · · Score: 2
    Besides requiring people to use two hands as someone has pointed out already (when the trend is going towards hands-free), this requires heavy memorization and the initial learning curve may be even higher than normal keyboards.

    Moreover, different people have different finger shapes - I have seen people with a larger index finger than the middle finger or of irregular shapes due to accidents. Will they be incapable of using these phones? Discriminating people due to their finger shapes is also very innovative!

    Extending this technology to other input methods in Asia (Chinese and Japanese) will be awkward to say the least.

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  58. One hand by .sig · · Score: 1

    Although this technology can be used to assign function to all ten fingers, it looks like they will only need three or four fingers for the cell phone apps. That's just one hand, so you won't have to put the phone down.

    It's still a pain, I'd rather hit one button a few times than try to remember which finger to use to hit the button. (For the record, I use my index finger for typing on a cell phone, I don't see how so many people use their thumb. Must have some big buttons....)

    This just seems like too much of a hassle just for entering numbers to the internal phone book, something I do rarely, and for sending emails from a phone, something I never do.

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  59. Not useful in a loud nightclub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but possibly handy at a big festival where voice can't get the bandwidth and only SMS can get through.

    1. Re:Not useful in a loud nightclub by pallex · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately my only attempt at using SMS in such a situation (Carnival, a couple of years ago) just showed how easy it is to saturate a network if 80%+ of the revellers all have phones turned on at the same time!

    2. Re:Not useful in a loud nightclub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I don't like Negroes.
      Period.
      Full stop.
      .

  60. Nearly impossible for trained keypad operators by jalane · · Score: 1

    I have been a touch typist (including keypad operation) for about 20 years, and to try to use a keypad in such a new way would be extraordinarily difficult. I would liken it to being able to switch between QWERTY and Dvorak keyboards at will with no loss of speed. AFAICR, that was one of the factors that doomed the Dvorak keyboard, and will continue to doom alternative keyboard layouts for some time. The barrier to entry is too high.

    As a switchable feature, I think it's a wonderful idea, but a note to the designers: PLEASE, default it to OFF.

  61. Keypress detected... analyzing... by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keypress detected...

    analyzing...

    Its not the pointer...
    Its not the index finger...
    Its not the ring finger...
    Its not the pinky...
    Its not the thumb...

    OH MY GOD!
    ILLEGAL USE OF PHONE DETECTED!!!

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  62. Not very easy to use... by Vapula · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There are several reasons for this :
    • some people are holding their cellular in the same hand they are using to type. the other fingers are used to hold the phone
    • when the keys are small or when the user had big fingers, using the tip of the index finger is easier to type
    • Keyboard entry use all fingers but for DIFFERENT keys. Here, it's about using all fingers on the SAME key.
    • You have far less strength in your small fingers and more in your thumb and index.

    Anyway, cyclic typing is the best possible way to do blind typing (for example, while driving, in order to keep your eyes on the road) and DictAssisted typing is usually the fastest way to type (except when you use a lot of words not in the dictionnary).
    1. Re:Not very easy to use... by nanobug · · Score: 1

      "Anyway, cyclic typing is the best possible way to do blind typing (for example, while driving, in order to keep your eyes on the road)"

      Wait a second, shouldn't you have your hands on the wheel, not on the cellular?

      Officer: "So, who was driving the car?"
      Passenger: "Well, no one sir, we were both typing at the time, and the tree just sort of jumped out at us."

    2. Re:Not very easy to use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Anyway, cyclic typing is the best possible way to do blind typing (for example, while driving, in order to keep your eyes on the road) and DictAssisted typing is usually the fastest way to type (except when you use a lot of words not in the dictionnary).



      Try this for ease of input: Kyocera QCP6035 Smartphone.

    3. Re:Not very easy to use... by Vapula · · Score: 1

      If your phone is on the carkit, you only need ONE hand to type ;-) and the other on the wheel...

      When you've a straight road with 100km ahead, nobody else (or nearly), there is no need in having BOTH hands on the wheel...

  63. Haha an entire article was just censored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An entire article and all their comments have just been censored from slashdot. dont let them get away with this attrocity.

  64. Hmmm... will people really adopt this? by JofCoRe · · Score: 1

    The problem I see with this is that there are still plenty of people who don't know when to single click, double click, right click, etc. Will these same people be able to remember which finger they should use to press a certain button to make it do what they want?

    Sure, if it's just typing letters, and teh letters are on the keypad, it's a simple case of looking @ it and figuring it out. But the article talks about other uses, like different functions that can be performed depending on the finger you use to press just one of these special buttons.... I think people might have the same "which button should I click" problem.

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  65. I think the immediate use could be really cool... by Uttles · · Score: 2

    You could have one multifunction button on your phone, similar to the way most "send" buttons work presently. This one big button could have one of these special sensors and could be used in an endless variety of ways. Thumb for voice dial, index for phone book, middle for missed calls, ring for.... plus every menu, instead of having options 1-5, could have options based on your fingers. After a little getting used to, people would love this technology, I predict. It will be sort of like the function buttons on Scientific Calculators.

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  66. it's "code", not program. kids. *nt* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is to bypass the lameness filter....but i bet a lot of people are still seeing this, not knowing what *nt* means. hooray for jesus H. christ, the lord almighty in heaven.

  67. A phone without "buttons"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.spectronic.se/index_en.htm

  68. If this were 1999... by Karma+Sink · · Score: 1

    BRILLIANT!

    I'm a young investor, and I'm more than willing to fund your idea, if it has a snappy name that we can tack '.com' to the end of...

    Want an Aeron Chair?

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  69. IF I EVER MEET YOU... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i should buy one of those combination "ass whippers"...or was that 'wipers'?

  70. Re:Shouldn't the middle finger be...4 by Rupert · · Score: 2

    As they say in Hawaii

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  71. Single handed typing... by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

    This is an idea I never really thought about for single handed typing input. wrote Commander Taco

    So, how fast were you able to type "what are you wearing?" in the chat room?

  72. I love you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You. I love you.

  73. this seems VERY awkward. by Telek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just tried it on my phone (simulated of course) and it seems like it'd be a LARGE step backwards from the current T9/etc that's on the market. I've used T9 and it works great, and do most of the typing by holding the phone with my hand and using my thumb on that hand only. I can get decent amounts done that way. (I have a Sony J5 BTW)... This way you're pretty much required to use 2 hands, which makes it pretty inconvenient for places where you only have one hand available.

    And actually I doubt if it's any faster. You need to move your entire hand around and hit those small small keys with different fingers which is pretty awkward to do. I can't see this being much faster than T9, or what will soon be (give it a year or so) voice dictated anyways.

    And besides, how much text do you ACTUALLY send on your cellphone? I use the email feature to CHECK email and send a 5 word reply. I use SMS to RECEIVE traffic/weather/etc updates and the occasional note by my friends. But if I need to talk with one of them, I call them! I have the phone right there and talking is BY FAR FAR FAR more efficient than any typing method would be.

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    1. Re:this seems VERY awkward. by Yostage · · Score: 1

      I'm studying in Europe and the rates here are about $0.50/min for a daytime call. To send an SMS is only $0.15. It's much cheaper to say "hey - I'm late but on my way" or whatever by SMS. plus if they're busy or driving or whatever they will still get the message. SMS is very very big here. It's different than in the U.S.

  74. Voice technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as cell phones go, I really think we should focus our efforts to voice recognizition technology. With safety issues while driving, etc. this seems to be the only logical step.

  75. Tongue as typing device by klausbert · · Score: 1

    Now this is innovation... keys that could be sensitive to the tip of the tongue... add a DNA analysis device to validate the user and block any thieves from using your stolen phone.

  76. Big problem by AndyChrist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This won't catch on, and it would not work one-handed. You would have to place it on a surface of some kind to be able to press the keys with your fingers (I don't know about you guys, but when I'm typing on a cell phone, I use my THUMB), or be held with the other hand.

    It also does not work with hunting-and-pecking, so, like just about every ass-headed typing scheme that has come along and failed to even make a DENT in qwerty (except maybe Dvorak, and some other keyboard layouts), it doesn't really have a learning CURVE so much as a BRICK FUCKING WALL you would have to vertically climb before the thing becomes even remotely useful.

  77. I love you Katy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Katy, Texas 77449

  78. Voice Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This is where the future lies. You'll just pick up your phone, call bob, say "hey bob, how about lunch?". The phone will decode that into text, send it to bob, whose phone will use a text-to-speech synthesizer to turn it back into speech.

    The phone will also know that it's you calling, so it'll even use your tone of voice when reading out the text.

    How's that for amazing SMS convenience?? Why, it'll be almost like, uh, using a regular phone...

    Nevermind.

  79. I love the idea by Korth · · Score: 1

    I tried the idea, and there's about a 4x typing speed increase over the regular method. It's very easy to learn, because you don't have to memorize anything. For example, the 3 key has "DEF" written over it. How hard is it to learn that using your index finger would produce a "D", the middle finger a "E", and the ring finger a "F". I caught up with the idea nearly instantly, unlike the palm handwriting recognition, which forces you to learn a new alphabet (although that's not too hard either). From my experience with handwriting recognition, it is slow and error-prone from factors like writing size, speed, hand stability, grip and so on, and it forces you to always look at the screen. With this method you can touch-type without looking at the screen.

    The main problems are that it forces you to hold the phone with the other hand, it will probably need to be calibrated for every user, and probably won't work if you're wearing gloves and so on.

    But even after all, it's a simple and ingenious solution for most circumstances.
    Phone makers just need to add an option to go back to the older method of typing, to handle those circumstances.

  80. Disabled Users? by Niles_Stonne · · Score: 1

    What about people who do not have use of all of their fingers(missing, ect.). Do we now make it so that they can not use a phone?

    I think that disabled rights groups would be up in arms about phones that would use this technology.

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  81. Poll by roystgnr · · Score: 2

    Which letters would you assign to which fingers?

    I'm thinking: A, C, D, I, M, O, and S should all be in the same group.

    I'd be able to type "DMCA", "MS", "CIA", "SSSCA", or "Osama" with just my middle finger!

  82. How about the T9 dictionary?!? by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know why nobody posted this before (or why it didn't get modded up), but on my Nokia 8260, and on my old Samsung SCH8580 there is a built-in dictionary.

    The way it works is quite simple, if you try to type the word "message" all you have to do is press 6377243, and it automatically guesses the match, in this case the word "message". If there are more than one match, all it takes is pressing a button multiple times, to scroll through the list of matches. It has English, French and I believe Spanish (my phone is my coat pocket, and I don't feel like getting it).

    I've been using my Nokia for quite a while with this system, and honestly I don't need anyting else. It's almost perfect, and the only difficulty is when you want to insert names, or numbers, but that only requires a couple of extra key presses.

    So my question is why bother with weird finger press combinations, finger-sensing buttons when the best solution is already out there?!? I guess this is one way somebody is trying to make extra money on royalties, but I don't know...

    1. Re:How about the T9 dictionary?!? by steelhawk · · Score: 1

      Isn't that pretty much a standard feature these days? (seriously meant question - my two last phones have been Nokias, so I think I can conclude that it's a standard feature on Nokias since a few years...)

      And yeah.. that pretty much solves the typing problem (gotta LOVE this feature)... just that it takes a bunch of messages until you've added the weird words you like to use that aren't in the standard dictionary... :)

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    2. Re:How about the T9 dictionary?!? by tif · · Score: 1

      It learns? I have a Mitsubishi T250 but never even
      considered the possibility that one of these might
      learn. Surely that would take too much memory.

  83. What about those with missing fingers? by FattMattP · · Score: 2

    What about those that have lost a finger due to an accident?

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  84. More of a problem for those missing fingers! by S.Lemmon · · Score: 1

    I hope these folks keep in mind not everyone *has* ten good fingers. If used widely, it could create a whole new catagory of "disabled" people who could function perfectly fine the old way. (for example, how will all those poor shop teachers use their cell phones ? ;-)

  85. I know this is off topic, but I couldn't resist. by Goronguer · · Score: 1
    To date the startup has received $50,000 in venture capital funding. The money came from Fast Angels Ventures, a venture firm created by the former CEO of Beyond.com, Mark Breier, who sits on the MultiDigit board.

    Sounds kinda kinky. I would think one digit would be enough for most people.

    Go ahead, mod me down! It's Friday, so I don't care!

  86. Horrible tech for gaming. by sheetsda · · Score: 2

    Another point I don't believe has been mentioned was what if you want to perform action A and B at the same time but they require the same finger to be on different buttons, or one button to be pressed by two fingers. This situation occurs almost every second of every FPS game, and although some of these conflicts exist with present devices, they would pale in comparison with those introduced by this technology.

    The driving factor behind this technology is maximum use out of limited buttons, by sacrificing movement complexity (and therefore increasing time required) and simultanious actions. Gamers don't need a small limit on the number of buttons they use, and they definitely need minimum time and simultanious actions. For these reasons, I believe this technology is exactly the opposite of what you'd want in a game controller.

  87. New Cell Phone Typing Solution by chubso · · Score: 1

    The idea is OK, but multiple use keys are confusing enough. Multiple use fingers would need to be labelled. Maybe there would be a market in micro tatoos to label each of your fingers according to its functions.

    I still think voice will be best, when it comes of age.

  88. You shouldn't be doing that now, you jerk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    the subject of this post is the comment

  89. Sounds great but... by dozing · · Score: 1

    Does it need to be "trained" and, if so, what happens if I loan it to a friend? What if its freezing cold and I'm wearing gloves?

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  90. Ease of typing? by Tams · · Score: 1

    This would be a great input method for tomorrow's 3G cellphones! But learning something like this is very complicated, ain't it?

  91. Re:Tongue as an input device by jabber01 · · Score: 2

    From the women I've spoken with,
    the tongue is much more effective
    when used for writting cursive..

    Sure, it takes a bit longer,
    but makes the message more personal,
    and that is greatly appreciated.

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  92. Stupid junk attached to smellphones by thejake316 · · Score: 1

    Why isn't there fingertip sensors that can detect where you would be typing if you were typing on a keyboard? I can type a hell of a lot faster on a real keyboard than I can a cellphone keypad.

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  93. hmm by nexex · · Score: 1

    Doesn't the middle finger usually signify the letters f&u not b?

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  94. Visor Phone by rawg · · Score: 1

    Its all about the Visor Phone. Nothing else will do. Why type when you can write. Plus the added memory and sync with your computer.

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  95. Why Bother, by Stacdaed · · Score: 1

    Why Bother with trying to use different fingers.
    Why not just do it by how long you hold it in.

    IE: I push "1" it shows 'A' but I keep holding it in for a sec and it becomes 'b' etc.

    Of course you'd have to have a speed adjust but it is much more natural and a lot easier to implement.

  96. speech recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's already being used, why not just make it a little more powerful?

    or you can continue down this road, where each phone has it's own method (read: no standards)

  97. Well darn it Iguess I'll need 36 fingers! by CitznFish · · Score: 0
    and how will I do upper ASCII? That might be considered indecent exposure in some counties... ;)

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  98. five fingers by hebertrich · · Score: 0

    Five fingers...binary code...
    a is the thumb then you move to the lil finger... you got all the alphabet in with just one hand..
    With suitable finger "sleeves" you could type anywhere, leg even the steering wheel.

    On a hands free cell , like good common sense indicates to use in a car, this can be a real practical solution.
    Try to type the alphabet in binary with the tip of your fingers....works..
    with a bit of practice this has potential.

  99. Single-handed typing by alexburke · · Score: 2

    This is an idea I never really thought about for single handed typing input. A very cool idea.

    I'm sure that, being geeks, we can certainly appreciate the, umm, usability aspects of single-handed input. (Or single-handed output, depending how you look at the situation.)

    (Sorry.)