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Gadgets With Linux Inside

An anonymous submitter sends in a link to a quick reference guide of various devices and gadgets that are in some way running Linux. Cell phones, set-top boxes, web pads, internet radios, and some miscellaneous gizmos (definitely take a look at the "other" page).

75 comments

  1. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    this blather added intentionally to escame lameness filtering

    1. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      pants off

    2. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      this is a scarey picture of "linux inside"

    3. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      after too much masturbation i had torn gonads

      now my gay mates calls me banana_spork

  2. First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    For the Captain!

    1. Re:First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      holy fuck, it starts to smell like shit in there. i think americans are waking up at this time.

  3. Is there any "real" use by Math+Wizard · · Score: 1

    of running linux on these odd devices ?
    Of course, besides the hacking fun.
    Any special apps ?

    1. Re:Is there any "real" use by joe_bruin · · Score: 4, Informative

      these devices ship with linux, it's their embedded os. linux is making enormous gains in the embedded world due to the fact that it is both royalty free to ship, the source is completely available, the development tools are both free and familiar, and there is a fair amount of developers out there who are familiar with the kernel/drivers (but you already know this, of course).

      consider a device like the oh-so-popular tivo or something more obscure like the phatbox or other portable devices. the makers of these devices have the options of:

      • paying a dollar to people like windriver (who effectively monopolized bsd, along with vxworks, psos, and others) or psion for every unit shipped
      • a couple of large bills to for a development license (qnx, ...)
      • a mighty sum for development tools (green hills, nucleus, ...)
      • all of the above (microsoft windows ce)
      • or, get it all for free by using linux.

      under many of these options, i doubt these (probably very small) companies would have ever been able to afford to bring a product to market. and every dollar that doesn't go to a 3rd party at retail is a dollar that goes towards r&d for the super-tivo or whatever (or stays in your pocket).

      yes, i'm preaching to the choir. let them sing.

      joe

    2. Re:Is there any "real" use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Nope
      Not one
      Linux takes longer to deploy and costs more in the long run.

    3. Re:Is there any "real" use by bjwest · · Score: 1

      The Phatbox sounds nice untill you check out their software. Windoze only crap..

      --

      --- Keep the choice with the user..
    4. Re:Is there any "real" use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, definitely.
      Besides being k3w1 for the h4x0r5 and more secure, robust, open source, free as in speech, yadda yadda yadda, etc, there's a strong commercial point here. Linux is portable at an incredibly high level. This usually means that you write once and run almost everywhere, sometimes recompiling, sometimes linking with specific drivers for different devices, but you'll never have to rewrite more than 5% - 10% of your programs. This will bring *both* more stability and less developing time, along with a -huge- market to hit with your products.

    5. Re:Is there any "real" use by Math+Wizard · · Score: 1

      Yes, but linux is a rather "large" OS.
      O.k. you can shrink it down,
      but you'll never need all it's functionality.
      Especially when you want low power consumption,
      then you need low computational power.
      The only pro-linux point I see here is the fact that it's free.

    6. Re:Is there any "real" use by Abreu · · Score: 1
      You didn't you do your homework, did you Mr. Wizard?

      If you had, you would have seen all the different proyects that shrink linux into a compact package.
      There are distros that fit into a single floppy or even less (see the IBM Linux wristwatch).


      Also Linus himself and the boys at Transmeta have done a lot of work on Linux power management.

      --
      No sig for the moment.
    7. Re:Is there any "real" use by Jburkholder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >Is there any "real" use

      The fact that there are actual shipping products that use Linux in embedded devices indicates that there are "real" uses. Try reading the article.

      >Yes, but linux is a rather "large" OS.

      I would tend to disagree with this.

      Distributions of Linux tend to be very large. The size of the "operating system" is a very variable thing.

      Of course, the kernel itself can be built to suit and can be made quite small. If you are building an embedded device, the list of stuff (outside of the kernel) you don't have to package on your system would trim down the size considerably:

      no source code
      no development libraries
      no development tools
      no X

      probably only the one application for which the device exists instead of the hundreds that included in a typical distro.

      "Linux" can be made small enough to fit on a floppy disk and run completely on a ramdisk (LRP).

      My example is my 386 with 4 meg and 100 MB drive running my cable modem' masq box. I'm running a kernel with everything stripped out but the bare essentials. I'm using Debian with just the barest set of packages installed. This machine is a single-purpose device with a very small OS. If I had the time or needed to, I could probably make this even smaller.

      The beauty of using Linux for these purposes is that you can trim it down to just the functionality to want/need to get it to fit into your device. At least, doing so is a lot cheaper than rolling your own OS.

    8. Re:Is there any "real" use by Goonie · · Score: 2

      And there are plenty of others you don't hear about either.

      --

      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
      --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
    9. Re:Is there any "real" use by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and *USB* to load songs. God, I'd be waiting all day. Put a real ethernet or wireless interface in that thing. Wireless would be great, just drive into the garage and download.

    10. Re:Is there any "real" use by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      I just added a wireless nic to my car. My linux box is fully booted before I pull out of the garage. Before, I've gone out of range, the carpc has downloaded the latest slashdot headlines, weather, and traffic. Here is a link to the car.

      --
      Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
    11. Re:Is there any "real" use by FyRE666 · · Score: 0


      I'm running a kernel with everything stripped out but the bare essentials. I'm using Debian with just the barest set of packages installed. This machine is a single-purpose device with a very small OS. If I had the time or needed to, I could probably make this even smaller.


      If it's already running only the bare essentials, I'd suggest against making it smaller... :-)

  4. Not the best choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WinCE was made for this kinda thing.

  5. and if they don't hack my cellular... by motherhead · · Score: 3, Funny

    DaimlerChrysler unveiled its newest concept car at the North American International Auto Show in January, 2001: the Dodge Super8 Hemi "all-American sedan." The vehicle's Infotronic system is based on four Ethernet-networked PC-compatible computers -- all running on embedded Linux.

    "yeah honey, I need a ride home again... 1337 h4x0rZ again... yeah..."

    1. Re:and if they don't hack my cellular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      and thanks to the German influence it has been fitted with a larger ashtray to accomodate six million Jews.

    2. Re:and if they don't hack my cellular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All-American sedan? With an OS created by a Finnish person?

    3. Re:and if they don't hack my cellular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No no no no no. When you're trolling, get his nationality wrong. Like this:

      All-American sedan? With an OS created by a Sweedish person?

      Honestly, trolls these days...

  6. Not surprising by glwillia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Recently, embedded systems has been one area where Linux really excels, and where the power of Open Source really shines. Especially things like the Isamu robot: would that have been possible with a closed-source OS like Windows CE, VxWorks, or QNX, no matter how good they may be? And, thanks in large part to things like the MOSIX project, Linux is ready to handle the real-time demands of applications such as these, where infallible reliability, several megabytes of RAM and a low-power microprocessor are the norm. I think the pundits are right, in a sense: Linux will invade the home and workplace. Not on the desktop, necessarily, but in all the systems you see and don't really think about, and that you don't interact with via keyboard and mouse. We're already starting to see this, as this article demonstrates.

    1. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      get off linus' cock

    2. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Ever hear of karma whoring, dipshit?

    3. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      will you suck my cock?

    4. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up. No-one is going to give you mod points.

    5. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL.. You are a blind zealot.

    6. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that MIT's robotic lab only uses QNX in their systems --- the linux-powered isamu robot is nothing special.

  7. Hello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Support radical Islam today!

    1. Re:Hello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kellogg's Muslix... $4.49

  8. hahahalololol!!!!!!!!1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    that'd be funny if the hackers broke into a car, and then the guy would be screwed! goatse.cx on every car display (even the cd players digital clock thing!!) HAHAHA - that would be hilarius! and the goatse.cx soundtrack playing on it to. and the guy would be like ewwwwwwww!! and we would all be like hahaha sucker.

  9. Great by mnordstr · · Score: 2, Funny

    I especially like Isamu , the humanoid robot =)
    He would probably like to play with my stuffed Tux.

  10. the taluban used embedded linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they knew that the honorable microsoft would be watching them
    if they used windows ce, so they made use of
    the criminals operating system: linux! if you
    think you really cared about america then you
    wouldnt use the o. sama binladens special
    terrorist computer!

    1. Re:the taluban used embedded linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      stay tuned for my next fatwah where I will adress the concerns about the communist operating system linux and it place in the holy lands

  11. Isamu Robot by small_dick · · Score: 2

    That Isamu Robot is just absolutely amazing.

    If there are any Japanese readers out there, please consider coordinating with slashdot to do a interview/review with the staff that created this machine.

    This is a very timely and enjoyable article for me--it seems like all I've seen in the papers and magazines is MS FUD lately...even the embedded journals are getting swamped with WinCE and other MS embedded strategy ads. Seems like anywhere a dollar is changing hands, MS wants to reach in and snatch it way from the two parties.

    But, I digress. It's nice to see such a rich set of Engineering accomplishments using the Linux platform--I had no idea that much was happening. Very informative and well-written article.

    --


    Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
    See my user info for links.
    1. Re:Isamu Robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The Isamu Robot is really not new; CowboyNeal was built far earlier, and runs on Linux.

    2. Re:Isamu Robot by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      That Isamu Robot is just absolutely amazing.

      That brought up the quick idea of robots on other OSen.

      Made me loose my coffee first thing this morning.

      --
      "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    3. Re:Isamu Robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How in the hell can a man have a 3 inch dick?

    4. Re:Isamu Robot by kiwaiti · · Score: 1
      The Isamu Robot is really not new; CowboyNeal was built far earlier, and runs on Linux.

      No problem; so was/do I. But Isamu is humanoid!

      Kiwaiti

      --
      Member of the Legion Of Microsoft Haters
  12. Linux PDA by Spootnik · · Score: 2, Funny

    www.handhelds.org is a good web page devoted to PDA type information. As a point of interest, iPAQs can run Linux in several different flavors. The YOPY kit is rediculously prices and I don't believe I would ever buy one with the advances being made by the developers of Linux on the IPAQ. In my opinion, that is where the fun is if you want to work with Linux on a PDA. If you just want to use a Linux PDA you could get an agenda or wait for perhaps Sharp to release one later this year. HP has also made rumblings about a Linux PDA.

  13. Hi Michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I'd just like to say:
    I think your a censoring fuck.
    Censor this muther fucker!

  14. I would just like to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Eat my meat

  15. Site with any Internet Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anybody know of a site that lists Devices I can connect directly to my cable modem (10baseT, DHCP) without using a computer? Like phones, radios, streaming picture frames, game consoles etc...?

    1. Re:Site with any Internet Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi I live in the decadent west and need a list of frivalous things to spend my money on.
      Can anyone help?

  16. Limited applicability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The Linux wristwatches and in-car computers are pretty cool, but notice the absence of applications for embedded Linux in any life-critical/medical devices.

    One of the touted benefits of open source software is the ability to more widely distribute the tasks of detecting and fixing bugs.

    On the flip side, though, if open source software fails critically, there is no single person or corporation to blame; no recourse or remedy.

    That alone, it seems, would be enough for major corporations (with mission critical applications such as life support and the like) to avoid a serious investment in Linux or any software sans accountability).

    Yes, I realize that most EULAs disclaim software publishers of any meaningful warranty anyway, but at least Microsoft's ass could be dragged into court if someone died because of a BSOD.

    1. Re:Limited applicability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello welcome to the software industry where even the biggest players avoid any liability

    2. Re:Limited applicability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why, thanks.please die

    3. Re:Limited applicability? by jerdenn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, I work on a team that is using Open Source (modified GPL) software for our RTOS that does run in a Hospital Point of Care device. The company that manufactures this device is a very big player in this market.

      I think there were several concerns about going with Linux as our embedded OS - We were looking for something more along the lines of an RTOS, with guaranteed task handling. There were also concerns about having to GPL our software. While we don't mind giving back to the community any OS changes we make, our application code is what gives us a competitive advantage, and publishing it just doesn't make good business sense.

      You've also mentioned that businesses wouldn't want to purchase Open Source software because there is no accountability. Actually, for the our project, we get the best of both worlds. OAR Corp provides support for the RTOS, and we get to look directly at their work, instead of getting a "black box" binary solution. Works very nicely. And we can make any changes we need directly. Very cool.

      So, yes, companies are starting to use Open Source in places that you may never hear of, or realize.

      -jerdenn

  17. 2397382th POST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    +/- 50 or something

  18. DC-LINUX by gnudutch · · Score: 1

    For cryin out loud, they have the DC-Linux Howto artical linked in the sidebar, but Dreamcast isn't even in their list of Linux devices! Oh the humanity.

  19. PLEASE MOD AS OFFTOPIC NOT TROLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Heyo!
    Firstly, introductions all round. My name is [removed to protect dolphinlovers], musician, pre-vet student and Delphinic Zoophile. People are often wondering just what the hell zoophilia is. Zoophilia is best described as a love of animals so intimate that the person (and the animal) involved have no objections to expressing their affection for each other in the sexual fashion. This is not to be confused with bestiality, where a person forcefully mates an animal, without their consent, and with no mutual feelings whatsoever. This is something that I would never do to a dolphin, since I love them dearly, and treat them with the same respect that an honest husband would have for his wife and children.
    Dolphins are very intelligent, highly emotional and expressive creatures. They enjoy the company of humans, and if a relationship develops between a human and a dolphin, as has happened with me, they will, on occasion, wish to express their trust and affection for you in the most direct way; through mating, or sex-play. You see, dolphins do not use sex purely for procreative reasons. They use it as a way of strengthening the bonds between pod mates (mothers and calves included), and also for fun. Dolphins and humans share this common trait with very few other animals, so sometimes it makes me wonder when people continue to ask me "How DO you mate with a dolphin?". Easy. Let the dolphin tell you!
    Well, here is a selection of questions people have asked me, so I hope this sheds some light on the subject...
    Q1) How do I tell a male dolphin from a female one?
    A1) Probably the most common question I get asked. There are 2 ways of determining the sex of a dolphin. The most obvious way is to take a peek under the peduncle (the long part of the body connected to the tail flukes). On the dolphin's belly, directly opposite the dorsal fin, will be the umbilicus, or the navel of the dolphin. Looking further down towards the tail, you start to see the differences.
    Male dolphins have two separate slits for the penis (the urogenital opening) and the anus. These are separated by a bridge of skin. The male's urogenital opening is generally located further up the belly, towards the navel.
    Females, on the other fin, have one continuous larger slit, the anus located at the end of it. On either side of the genital slit, you will find two smaller slits; these are the mammary slits, where the nipples of the dolphin are kept for feeding the calves. The slit is also located closer to the tail stock of the dolphin.
    The other way to determine the sex of a dolphin, if you can't reach their belly, is to look at their mellon, or head. The males tend to have a fatter, rounder mellon, while the females are more sleek and streamlined.
    Q2) How do I know if a dolphin wants to have sex?
    A2) There are various ways a dolphin has of showing that she or he is interested in sex.
    Males are probably the easiest to detect. They will swim around, sporting an erection (anywhere between 10 to 14 inches long for a Bottle-nose), and will have no bones about swimming up to you and placing their member within reach of your hand. If you are in the water, they may rub it along any part of your body, or wrap it around your wrist or ankle. (Dolphin males have a prehensile penis. They can wrap it around objects, and carry them as such.) Their belly will also be pinkish in colour, which also denotes sexual excitement.
    Females can be a little harder. The most obvious way a female dolphin has of displaying her sexual interest is the pink-belly effect. Their genitals become very pink and swollen, making the genital region very prominent. They may be restless, or they may be acting as normal. If you are out of the water, they may swim up to you and roll belly up, exposing themselves to you, coupled with pelvic thrusts. If you are in the water, they may press their genitals up against yours, nibble your fingers, nuzzle your crotch, or do pelvic thrusts against you.
    Each dolphins way of expressing sexual readiness varies, so the longer you know the dolphin, the better you will detect when they are sexually active.
    Q3) What do I do if a dolphin wants to mate with me?
    A3) Accept, if possible! I will go through the steps involved with males and females...
    The Male:
    When a male dolphin is interested in you, about the only thing you can do, if you are male, is to masturbate him. (Unfortunately, I cannot speak for the female of the human species... it seems women just don't like dolphins enough... so I cannot say for sure if it is safe to mate with them. I would suspect not, due to a dolphins size, but then again, I cannot say for a woman.)
    WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death. Unless you are the masochistic type, you will have a hard time explaining your predicament to the doctors in the emergency ward....
    A male dolphin's member is roughly S-shaped, tapered at the end. If you are in the water with them, it is best to support the dolphin on his side, just under the water, with one hand, and handle him with the other. Male dolphins, I find, tend to prefer the base of the penis to be gently massaged and squeezed, as well as gently rubbed along it's length. It feels very much like the rest of the dolphin (ie. smooth and rubbery to the touch, but firmer). It doesn't take long for the male to ejaculate, around 40 seconds to a minute, and this is usually accompanied by either shuddering just prior to ejaculating, and thrusting and tail-arching during ejaculation. The force of ejaculation can be powerful at times, so it is best to keep your face out of the line of fire, or keep his member underwater. You can attempt to lick and suck on the end of it while masturbating as well, but be warned, do not try to give full throat, and get the hell out of the way before he ejaculates! A male dolphin could snap your neck in a accidental thrust, and that would be the end of that relationship.
    The Female:
    Well, the females are again a little trickier. There are two courses of action with a female fin: Masturbation, or mating.
    Masturbation: Female dolphins, once they show interest in you, can be supported in much the same way as the male, one hand under the fin, supporting her, the other doing the stimulating. The clitoris of the female is located at the top of the genital slit, and is a prominent lump when erect. You can rub this with your finger tips, or lick and suck it, but with the oral aspect, you might end up with a bruised nose as they thrust up into you. You can slide your hand gently into their genital opening, and feel around inside, rubbing gently. They feel warm and muscular inside, their labia like tough, squishy sponge when they are excited. Don't be surprised if they start to play with your hand inside them. They have very manipulative muscles, and can use them to carry and manipulate objects, including your hand. (They can do things that would make a regular human woman turn green with envy.) Their climax is coupled with stiffening, shuddering, sometimes a lot of thrusting, clinching of the vaginal muscles, and sometimes vocalization.
    Mating: This is harder. Obviously, being human, it is awkward, but not impossible to mate in open water. It is easier to have the dolphin in a shallow area (like the shallows just off the beach) around 1 1/2 to 2 feet deep. This is usually comfortable enough for both the dolphin and you. Gently, you should roll the dolphin on her side, so she is lying belly-towards you. You can prop yourself up on an elbow, and lie belly to belly against her. You may want to use the other arm to gently hold her close, and place the tip of your member against her genital slit. She will, if interested, arch her body up against you, taking you inside her body. There is usually a fair bit of wriggling and shifting, usually to get comfortable, both outside and inside. Once comfortable, though, females initiate a series of muscular vaginal contractions that rub the entire length of your member. They may also thrust rhythmically against you, so enjoy the experience while you can, since you will rarely last longer that a minute or two. Just prior to her climaxing, she will up the speed of her contractions and thrusts. It is interesting to note that the times I have mated with females, they have timed their orgasm to mine. Whether they do this consciously or not, I do not know, but it is a great feeling to have two bodies shuddering against each other at the one time.
    One thing to note. Whether you masturbate or mate a fin, male or female, always spend time with them afterwards. Cuddle them, rub them, talk to them and most importantly, show them you love them. This is essential, as it helps to strengthen the bond between you. Like a way of saying that this wasn't just a one-night fling. The dolphins appreciate it, and they will want your company more the next time you visit them.
    Q4) What diseases can I get from dolphins? Can I give them any?
    A4) I have had no experiences with Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD's) with dolphins, so I couldn't rightfully say. I do know, however, that you can pass the Flu between you, along with other respiratory problems. (I got a cold when a dolphin sneezed on me once. It cleared up after a week or so.) You can also pass some skin irritations on to them, if you handle them with chaffed or broken skin. Just like with a human, it is best to BE CLEAN when you handle a dolphin. If you have cuts on your hands, avoid touching them unless you wash with a Betadine surgical scrub prior to handling. This is available from most Veterinary and Surgical suppliers. If you have some disease of some sort, avoid mating, for the dolphins sake. This is a little known area, more so because Zoophilia is considered illegal in many places (which I think is a load of crud, but the law's the law....)
    Q5) Is their any way I can invite a dolphin to be masturbated?
    A5) Well, yes. If they are hanging around, but not looking particularly excited, but you are, you can invite them with this way...
    Male and Female dolphins can be invited by rolling them on their sides, again, but instead of going straight to the genital slit, rub along their bellies, between their pectoral fins, along the navel, and every once in a while, over the genital slit. If they are responsive, they will show the signs of excitement as described earlier, and you can proceed as usual. If, however, they are not responsive, they will swim away, or turn back upright. DO NOT force the issue with a dolphin! Trying to restrain them will only break their trust in you, and could cause you serious injury. Pat them, stroke them and talk to them lovingly, but do not try anything else. It is best, anyway, to let the dolphin tell you when they are ready. It is far more pleasant, and more fulfilling anyway. And more special.
    Q6) Where can I find a dolphin to mate with?
    A6) Aquariums are a bad choice, for many reasons. Too public, the dolphins are not in their natural habitat, night visits are impossible, etc etc... some may have external enclosures, which may be accessible, but that is no guarantee. Best thing sometimes is to find a beach or a cove that the dolphins frequent. It takes time to develop a relationship with a dolphin to the point where they will let you mate with them (although some have been as quick as 3 days to acclimatize). Gaining their trust takes time, and you need to visit frequently. This is impossible for some people, I understand, but it is the best way. Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time. I have been extremely lucky on two occasions with wild dolphins, and my current mate is a dolphin who lives in the harbor of my resident city.
    Well, I hope this is of use to whoever is interested. One final note. You should love a dolphin, not because of the sexual relief they can provide, but because they are a unique animal, one of the few wild animals that seek the company of man by their own initiative. This is special. Do not abuse it.

  20. Mydata Hydra-Speedmounting SMT machines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I work with Mydata Electronic component Surface Mounting machines. I do belive that they even place "Linux Inside" stickers on the outside of these machines...

    Just think... A linux controlled machine, making motherboards for other Linux based computers. ;)

    Take that Bill Gate$...

  21. They're might make money, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As I see more and more commercial devices using Linux, it seems that in the old days they would have had to pay someone for their work in creating the operating system, but now they all get one for free. A nice one, at that; through the generosity (or whatever it is) of all the people who have contributed to Linux, it's a lot more desirable than a commercial competitor.

    But these companies are going to make money from these devices, and they're going to make even more money because they don't have to pay anyone for Linux.

    Cringley's Triumph of the Nerds showed us that it was never the initial creators of new technologies that made the money, it was those that exploited them. It feels that more and more people are going to use Linux to make money, without having to give anything "back", and those who created it are going to have at least their pride, but not the cash they arguably deserve.

  22. Huh?! by metlin · · Score: 1

    NASA Personal Satellite Assistant?

    Why do I get the feeling that this is a Microsoft conspiracy ;-)

  23. k5? by Psychopax · · Score: 1

    And I always thought k5 was "the other site"...
    J.

  24. Now this is an area which has enormous potential by GC · · Score: 2

    I often get flamed for stating that Linux has no place on the office desktop. It's a point that I truely believe. I still think Gnome and KDE are at least three major version releases behind the rest of the competition in this area, as are most, and nearly all or their support applications, including Star Office, which compares to MSOffice like Concordski compared to Concord.

    However, when it comes the embedded devices the Linux really shows so much promise. It's ability to run stablely in embedded devices and the ease to generate easy to use custom hardware interfaces is and area where Linux can take the leave and grab a market share across the planet.

    Linux on the Server, yes
    Linux Embedded, YES!!

    alas still, not on the Desktop.

  25. space station by nilstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't forget about those wonderful gadgets running up on the international space station.... the article seems to forget about that... but look at http://www.sheflug.co.uk/featuresoft.htm for articles on things such as "control the docking of the ATV".

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  26. Another Linux powered device by KilobyteKnight · · Score: 2

    eOn Communication's eQueue is also Linux based.

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  27. I actually saw the ActiveMedia robot by germinatoras · · Score: 1

    For those who don't live in the Washington D.C. area, we recently had the Digital Edge Expo at the Convention Center. Among other cool things (such as a virtual-reality rollercoaster and Nascar racing), they had the ActiveMedia robot running around on the floor next to the ComCast booths! I spent more time playing with it than asking questions about how to ran; had I known it was running Linux I would have definitely been more interested in what's under the hood.

    If you're interested in building a similair robot but don't have the money for an embedded-x86 architechture, take a look at the Basic Stamp from Jameco. It's a great way to get started with your own embedded projects.

  28. Why should I care? by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 1

    If I understand correctly - system is just closed in device, so I will never use it directly, I will never seen bash there. Then why should I care what operating system is inside? Are some devices more stable than others?

  29. Be patient my son... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can hear the rumbling of billions of tiny pengiuns in the distance, coming to ready us for Our new existance!

  30. Automotive Scanner by tang · · Score: 1

    For awhile I was working as an automotive service technician. The coolest toy we had was the OTC Genisys. It's a handheld OBD-II scanner. Basically it plugs into a diagnostic connecter on your car, from which it gets all the information from your car's computer. It was a really sweet machine, running linux. It was much bigger than a handheld...I usually held it with 2 hands. It did have a nice screen. Also it had a lot of unused ports...like..pcmcia,thernet,infrared,etc.
    Here's a webpage:
    http://www.genisysotc.com/
    Not really a lot of information on that page, but it does have a picture to show ya how cool it looks.

  31. A more useful guide would be: by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    A list of consumer devices that have a good price-performance ratio. In other words, devices that don't suck.

    I'm not saying by any means that any of these devices suck, but the rabid senseless drooling over linux-based products is unnecessary, IMO. Face it, gadgets that work and work well have a higher coolness factor than something with a penguin inside. Unless it's an uncontrollable whirling death machine. Then that would be pretty cool. Imagine that beady-eyed little penguin, breath smelling of herring, rampaging through the streets...

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  32. You have got to love it by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "personal satellite assistant", a must have. If only it could fly on earth. :-)

    http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8416393595.html

  33. Yet Another Linux Device... by spike666 · · Score: 2, Informative

    and one that you call can go buy today at your local beast buy...

    the Iomega HipZip MP3 player. - its a USB connectable mp3 player that uses the Iomega PocketZip (formerly known as the Clik!) disks which are 40 MB removable media (averaging about $10 for each disk)

    it runs lineo and is pretty neat as removable media MP3 players go. rechargable battery which is nice (unless you're going on a 10+ hour flight)

    the other really nice thing about this player is that if you are using pocketzips, the player plugs in and just becomes an external drive. so you can just copy the files onto the disk. no special programs needed!

  34. Hi Michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd just like to say:
    I think your a censoring fuck.
    Censor this muther fucker!

  35. Problem With Embedded Development on Linux by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Evil Satellite TV company that hired me to help work on a set-top box with Linux Embedded had a reasonably good idea about the hardware, although they DID change archetectures completely about 1/4th of the way through the development process. However, the department that was doing the software had no concept about developing for Linux. most of the development team were Windows programmers who barely even knew what a process was. Although the general idea was to use GTK for all the work on the system, the Windows programmers ended up hacking out a rudimentary UI library based on GDK. In practise, no GTK was ever in use there. Their UI library was inflexible and relied entirely on pixmaps and hotspots. Everything inherited from everything else; if you wanted to change interface behavior on just one screen, you'd have to change the entire system and add a new method. It was some of the ugliest coding I've ever seen anywhere (And I've been around.)

    Instead of sensibly using CVS, they required that version control be done using Microsoft Version Control software. They had an ancient version of VMware with I think 1 or 2 licenses (Certainly less than the number of developers using it.) and most developers rarely, if ever checked their code into version control. No developer system had exactly the same source code on it at any time. We ended up hacking a demo out by going from system to system picking up various pieces. By the time we were done, there were three or four different library versions on the demo box and it would only stay up 10-15 minutes before crashing and burning. That was enough to convince the VP that we had a workable product and that he shouldn't fire the entire department (Which would have gone a LONG way toward advancing that product.) I will be amazed if that set top box EVER sees the light of day.

    Lessons learned:

    1) Hire programmers who know your system.

    2) If the system provides developer's tools, use them.

    3) If you only have two programmers on your project who actually know the system and they tell you something isn't going to work, then that something is probably not going to work.

    4) Inquire about process and ask what CMM level they're at. If they look at you blankly, thank them for their time and tell them you'll call them. Then don't call them. Ever.

    5) Always check out a company's bathrooms during the interview process. Seriously. You can tell a lot about a company from its bathrooms. If it's not a bathroom you'd feel comfortable taking a dump in, chances are they guy you're talking to is full of shit.

    6) If a company is using C++ or Java, ask the lead programmer about Design Patterns and MVC. If he looks at you blankly, thank them for their time and tell them you'll call them. Then don't call them. Ever.

    7) If a company is doing Linux development and mandates the use of any Microsoft product on a regular basis, thank them for their time and tell them you'll call them. Then don't call them. Ever.

    8) Ask the lead programmer if you can see a function he's written from scratch recently. If the code has any of that hungarian notation crap or the function is longer than three or four pages, thank them for their time and tell them you'll call them. Then don't call them. Ever.

    9) If you think there's something major wrong with your process, don't slip into thinking that you can fix it. Unless you're the manager, you can't and chances are it's that broken because the manager's an idiot. Especially true if you start to realize the manager's an idiot. Start sending resumes at that point. Don't let them waste any more of your time. The Evil Satellite TV company wasted nearly a year of my life, and that's a year I'll never get back.

    I'm sure there are more, but those are the main ones.

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    1. Re:Problem With Embedded Development on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ho hum yet another person that thinks Design Patterns are the answer to Life, The Universe and Everything.

      IMHO If you need someone elses generic (and therefore totally inefficient) patterns to tell you how to logically structure your software then you're the wrong person to be allowed near it in the first place.

      If I see another "Work Factory Class" I think I'll go mad.

      Niz.

    2. Re:Problem With Embedded Development on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't invalidate the rest of his points. In my experience, if you see hungarian notation, run away, very quickly. The developer is likely to be (a) stupider than you and (b) a control freak.

      And if you every see ANYONE using Microsoft-based source control, then (a) take a few pictures, they're rare, and (b) run away, very quickly...

  36. I'm pleasantly surprised by lahosken · · Score: 1

    I used to work for a place that made an OS for smart phones. We had a heck of a time convincing any manufacturers that they wanted an OS, any OS. They didn't rknow much about software engineering; they didn't have much in the way of shared code.

  37. Is Embedded Linux overkill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isnt using a 32 bit, multiuser multithreaded
    operating system for embedded/portable
    applications a bit like peeling a potato w/ a
    sword? I realize the need for an open source
    OS for these machines, but could it be something
    a bit less complex?

  38. No toilet? by ncaHammer · · Score: 1

    Well i dont see a toilet.
    That means that if i have to p^&$#@iss on a penguin i have to go to the Antarctic!

  39. CONGRATULATIONS! by wadetemp · · Score: 1

    Your hard work has just gone to make someone else money! :)