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Review: Training Day
It's great to see Denzel Washington playing a bad guy, and especially impressive to see him as messes with the mind of his eager young partner Jake. Washington is dazzling -- alternately charming, surprising, angry, powerful and savvy. He laughs, cajoles, taunts, tempts and psyches out his younger prey. He's electric, keeping the audience continuously off guard. Jake Hoyt is along for his first day's training to work as an undercover cop, a job he hopes will lead to promotions and more money for his wife and new baby. Set against the backdrop of the ugly and real-life corruption scandals still wracking the Los Angeles Police Department (already battered by years of racial tensions and accusations of brutality), he and Alonzo set out in a souped-up Monte Carlo to ride the mean streets of LA.
Hawke is also great as the eager but savvy rookie who is shocked, then horrified, as he realizes just how out-of-control, brutal and corrupt his new partner is, and how insistent Alonzo is on drawing him into the quagmire of corruption and brutality that underlie the older cop's world. Even though Hoyt knows better from the first, Alonzo is so powerful he can't quite walk away. The movie would have been so much better off if they'd just left the main story line at that, but that no longer seems possible in the looney-tunes world of big-profit studio marketing ambitions.
Training Day quickly degenerates. The "ghetto" scenes are garish, crude, nearly racist stereotypes of life in the big city. Every black or Hispanic kid under 40 is packing and shooting. The elaborate white-men police corruption conspiracies driving the plot were done much better in Chinatown and L.A. Confidential. Hoyt's answer to his increasingly nightmarish predicament is as unsatisfying as it is puzzling and unclear. And a silly plot twist featuring a Russian mafia with enough firepower to take ot the Taliban is inane. I'd highly recommend seeing this movie to anyone who wants to see a great actor strut his stuff for a good hour. Mid-way through, though, you might want to do yourself a favor, finish your popcorn and just go home.
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well, does it?
If you want to read a real movie review, Salon has a well done review of "Training Day" that actually discusses the merits of the film and will be much more useful in deciding whether you want to see the movie or not. Jon's reviews always sound like he didn't see the movie, but had someone else tell him the plot.
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but what's happening, those reviews portray you more like a rookie writer who uses the old and trusted writing techniques learned in school. Where's the creativity, the magic, the uniqueness, the "je ne sais quoi" that sets you apart from the others? On the other hand, I guess doing a review of that kind of movie can't be too inspiring.
Maaaaan, is there going to be anything worth going to the theaters for this year? This has been one of Hollywood's worst years yet. Here's hoping LOTR will make up for it.
In that vein, here's Ebert's review. I'm sorry to say that I trust Ebert's opinions more than Katz's, as they more often reflect my own. He (Ebert) gave it his fairly common three-star rating, so I think it's probably worth watching as a rental.
It is like they have two scripts and just put them together. The first hour is great; just like you see in the trailers. Dark and powerful. Then the movie changes into some bad Lethal Weapon clone. Its odd and startling.
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The Filthy Critic is the only one I listen to now-a-days... he's the only one who's consistently right (they all suck.)
And, oh yeah, I just wanted to add that Katz is the worst part of Slashdot :->
(...going to check my slashdot config for "Katz Filter"...)
How do the stories go so wildly back and forth between "These people want to take our freedoms!" to "ooooh.. look at the pretty movies!"
JonKatz: he watches movies. WOW!
you are a pointless kiss-arse
Please Jon, you are suppost to be a real grown up movie reviewer guy...
I'd highly recommend seeing this movie to anyone who wants to see a great actor strut his stuff for a good hour. Mid-way through, though, you might want to do yourself a favor, finish your popcorn and just go home.
i do not know anyone that would want to spend $10.00 per ticket and subject themselves to half a movie, knowing full well they have been promised a disappointing second half/ending.
I authorize you to use the phrase: "wait for it on cable"... and enjoy Denzel's acting while you do something productive.
I appreciate the heads up but you should express yourself when you've been robbed.
Training Day
Here is a link to Amazon's review of the movie. Here is a link to Yahoo's review of the movie. [User Rating: (4.1/5) ]
Chicago Tribune said this about Training Day.
"Training Day," for most of its length, is genuinely thrilling, explosively cynical about life on the streets and in the squad cars. More strikingly, it lets Washington play a really juicy heavy: hard driving, acid-tongued Detective Sgt. Alonzo Harris. Harris is Washington's meanest, most brutal and dangerous character in years -- an L.A. cop who's adjusted so completely to life among the wolves that he's become a wolf himself. Washington is magnificently vicious and wily in the role."
"Dares to be a cop movie based on character and not on pyrotechnics."
-- Jeffrey M. Anderson, SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER
"The film works a bit better as a vehicle for Washington, and it often gets by on his devilish charm. But it loses all its punch as he becomes more hissable."
-- William Arnold, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
"A taut -- if violent -- police thriller."
-- Ken Fox, TV GUIDE'S MOVIE GUIDE
"Washington's performance is so good, in fact, that it may temporarily blind you from seeing that the movie has obscured its message."
-- Sean Means, SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
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Here is the director Antoine Fuqua's filmography. I was interested to see if he was an action director that is continuing his specialization or if he directed mainly heart felt drama's and was crossing genre's. With a limited filmography that includes previous B+ rated action flicks as The Replacement Killers, it seems that he has the background to provide us with an entertaining medium grade action flick. I would definately see this movie over The Musketeer.
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This isn't katz-bashing, but more a different opinion.
With regards to the borderline-racism: These scenes are supposed to be the very gang-infested neighborhoods of LA. Everyone in those neighborhoods was packing - black, white, latino, polka-dotted, whatever. Do you really think that Denzel Washington would be a part of a movie that was borderline racist?
Russian Mafia: This wasn't a plot "twist" at all...it was the basis of the movie. (Don't worry...i'm not going to throw out spoilers) At the beginning of the film, Denzel's character Alonzo becomes *very* endebted to the russian mafia. The movie very intelligently shows his efforts to pay them back. If you just look for the action, you'll miss the sub-plots, but this is a great movie, with some very, very well done plot twists
Remember, IANAMC (I am not a movie critic), so your opinions may differ, but I thought the movie was good...
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Jon Katz - Now not only qualified to discuss geek angst as an expert, and not only the leading authority of zeitgeist of our times, he can also do movie reviews.
Seriously though, if slashdot is going to do movie reviews, presumably based on the idea that "geeks like movies", how long is it until we see Katz degenerate into reviewing takeout pizza, video games, or acne cream, all things the stereotypical geek would like to know about?
Why not stick to "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." You can't be all things to everyone. The usefulness of the majority of websites is specialization. If you try to do everything, you generally end up doing a shallow pass of all subjects, which benefits no one but the most casual of users.
Just my $.02
could you stick to more technology and computer stuff? is the turning into a forum for every bullshit topic?
Denzel Washington (Det. Alonzo Harris) is amazing as a rogue LAPD narc who's turning his new rookie partner Jake Hoyt (Ethan Hawke)...
Parallel construction please. To someone who's not aware that Ethan Hawke is an actor, he'd think that Ethan Hawke was the character's name.
Shoulda been:
For that matter, character names in reviews are usually just noise and show that the reviewer lives inside his press kit. A cleaner intro would have been:Shut up you damned Siskel & Ebert wannabe. Noone cares what you say about movies. Your opinion sucks.
/. it has no geek-centric content or subject matter at all.
And why the hell is this movie being reviewed on
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
Surely he has some intelligent insights in the current technology & financial climate, forthcoming OS developments or interesting tales or stories from the net.
Oh, except HE DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS. My bad.
Acting stupid isn't much fun when there's someone around who knows better
Katz maybe ought to spend some time in East LA before he characterizes the movie as racist.
Actually, what I found really interesting was that in the Training Day I just saw, not all the black and Hispanic characters were "packing heat." In fact, in one particular climatic scene, there was a distinct lack of firearms.
One aspect of racism is seeing only what you expect. (Remember geek profiling? Didn't Katz do a couple of articles about that?) Apparently, Katz expects to see guns on black people in the projects.
Of course we have seen this in other areas, such as coding.
Think of it as the movie equivalent of Feature Creep. Like all things, sometime you get away with it, and sometimes you don't. Alot depends on your taste.
But it sounds like the original idea was in the first hour of the flick and the rest was added in the infamous studio writing process.
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we should have a "everyone ranting about how horrible he is" filter.
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:) Lay off Katz and go see Bobby :)
I am glad that you people don't care to listen to his poor writing style and his crap reviews but I certainly would rather hear his crap than yours. Please try and refrain from it.
As far as that comment goes, why not try and give us a decent review yourselves. That would be a billion times more beneficial than whining when you can just block his stories.
The movie was definitly crappy. It was NOT worth the 5.25 I paid for it, and I don't recommend it to anyone.
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Bobby Weir is getting older (bald spot) but he looks like he is in decent shape for his age. The Sax player is a fucking pain in the ass that needs to understand that he is NOT the lead in the band. Sax solos might be cool for Clinton 10 years ago but they aren't cool every 20s of a song.
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Yes that would have made more sense, but it's Katz we're talking about here, and he just wants to appear like he can do movie "reviews" like the guys who write the stuff on the back of rental boxes.
Acting stupid isn't much fun when there's someone around who knows better
The movie rocked. Don't listen to this idiot, this is a kickass movie.
oh what I wouldn't give to bury my face in Anna's sweaty ass after she's played a match.
This movie sounds AMAZINGLY like The Corruptor with Mark Wahlberg and Chow Yun Fat except with a bit of role reversal.
Come on, Hollywood! Let's be a little more creative, eh???
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On the other hand, that Ann Frank diary has pretty much proven to be a fraud -- a complete forgery that was cooked up to rake in some sheckels.
what's next?
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How come it's ok for black comedians to make fun of white folks on tv but white comedians can't make fun of blacks on tv?
I bet you can't watch an evening of sitcoms on UPN without at least a couple of whitey jokes, but i guess that's ok becuase whitey ain't funkay, whitey can't dance, and whitey be all uptight.
The lame part is white people who think they are "enlightened" will watch these lame shows and laugh at the jokes about themselves. Like "hahah he's right, it's true, us white people are just lame, we don't know how to get down and funkay!".
for brightening my day with your hilariously off-topic discourses! Here's to many more years of dedicated service! Roffles!
i think slashdot should just cut these "reviews" out once and for all.
The "silly plot twist featuring a Russian mafia" WAS the point of the movie. The whole movie is about Alonzo covering his ass for something he did to a member of the Russian mafia. Katz obviously failed to grasp that. Hoyt discovers Alonzo's duplicity after Alonzo's failed attempt to set him up, and goes on a rampage to bring him to justice.
This film also highlights how easy it is for a one-time good cop (Alonzo) to get sucked into the corruption and greed that breeds drug dealers, when you're exposed to them on a daily basis (much like many other cop corruption flicks, so nothing new there).
This movie was excellent. The premise of the film isn't exactly ground-breaking territory, but it was treated well. There were only a few small logical inconsistencies near the end of the film, which I think can easily be overlooked in the shadow of an overall great effort by a great cast in a well-written flick.
John Katz should find something better to do with his spare time...
I've done something similar and although I can't join in on the conversations around the water cooler, I feel I'm a better person because of it. I don't want my children growing up around music and movies that glorifykilling Whites, raping, stealing, doing drugs, drinking excessive amounts of alcohol, etc.
OFF TOPIC
Okay, if it isn't OFF TOPIC, then can I write a review of a movie I don't like?
Same here. That remark about the water cooler is so true -- I don't know what the heck they are chattering about, and I really don't want to know. I'm thankful that destructive, hateful, anti-White programming is not one of my social reference points.
My favouritest part in the movie was that scene where Denzel Washington is in the really really bad ghetto house with the drug people, and he's all sweating, and has his pants around his ankles staring dead in the eyes of Sandra Bullock. She tries to tell him that his whole history is being erased by an evil multi-national corporation known only as "Pi". And then after like 10 or 15 minutes of her telling this story, while Washington just kinda nods his head once in a while and goes, "uh huh... oh yeah.... oh yeah... ya, I heard a that somewhere I think.... oh? oh really?"... and then she mentions they may even go after his "mama" and he gets up, penis flaying wildly and shouts, "I'm the Poe Leece! KING KONG ain't got NUTHHIIIN ONNN ME!", and Sandra's all weirded out for a while so she tells him, "I said they're going after your family", and he's like, "Ohhhhhhh........ I thought you said something else"....
That was funny, it really added realism to the scene.
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John Kats and his bashers, admirers, and those who could care less. Why? Because it makes a *well rounded review*.
:)
You see I've seen reviews/previews/trailers that hype a movie to death. Some live up, some don't.
So, what I rely on is many different opinions and this movie is no different.
Take Reindeer Games, for instance...from the reviews and trailers, well, it looked stupid as hell, but, I saw it on a recommendation from a few people at work...that was a *good* movie.
The Matrix, The usual suspects, long kiss goodnite and the 6th day were all along the same vein and IMO/IMR(eviews) are good flics.
Training day may be more like the Long Kiss Goodnite in that it is an excellent flic, with damn good acting but LKG got a little "soft" (for lack of a better word/thesaurs) for the last 15mins tword the end.
Did that ruin the movie? Nope. Forgivable? Yep.
I dunno, maybe critics are too critical. Heck, when I took my son to see shrek, I damn near busted a gut laughing...and I was the only one in the theatre that said "YEAH" real loud when the lady dragon ate the king...heh, I guess I'm a big kid
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I'm not entirely sure, but I think it has something to do with the Simpsons. Ever since the Simpsons first aired, these whitey and cracker jokes have been popping up.
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Jake is the cop that saved slim's cousin from being raped so he isn't killed, then Jake goes to Alonzo's house and they get into a shootout. They both are really hurt and then jake has alonzo at gun point. Alonzo tells the group that has formed around them to shoot jake and they'll get paid, but one just puts the gun on the ground and tells Alonzo to do it. Alonzo bends over to pick it up and jake shoots him in the ass. Alonzo is later driving along and stops at a stoplight. He tries to run the light but is stopped by 2 vans. The russians come out and shoot him to hell. Jake goes home to his wife.
..From Dusk till Dawn, which must be the ultimate example of this kind of directorial mistake. Granted, Tarantino did it with style, but I was still left feeling cheated and violated when the "splatter" part began.
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Normally I'd say that you shouldn't turn off a group of articles based on the author. Since everytime Jon Katz posts something he invariably gets torn to shreds by slashdot readers, it is obviuous that some very vocal people hate everything he writes. If you fall into that category, and can't stand Jon Katz's writing, and you're not some kind of masochist, turn off JonKatz articles. If you don't have an account, get one, or...don't click on the link to his story!!
How hard is that!
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What the fuck are you talking about? How CLOSED-MINDED can you sons of bitches be? This is why we see so much violence, because of conservative dicks that want to be one with the clan!
I'd like to get ahold of little Ann Frank and have her jack me off.
"degenerating into a dumb, improbable, almost cartoonishly violent mess".
Cool, I guess the movie is not all bad.
Did anyone else have a problem with the casting in this movie? The white cop comes in and saves the day, immune to the evil that had befallen the black cop. And, in the end, a truckload of white people gun down the black cop. It would have much less problematic if both cops were the same race.
I watched this movie in a largely African-American and Mexican-American community and the tension was very high. At one point, someone yelled out, "Fuck this movie!" and left the theater.
Thoughts?
because we use humor to deal with complicated issues that are still changing (hopefully for the better) in society. hopefully black people can use comedy to let out all of the justified (imo) animosity they have towards typical stupid white people (like most people postting here including you). it doesn't mean you aren't proud to be white, it means you can laugh at how corny white people can be (just like i'm sure you joke about how stupid rappers/basketball players/etc can be with your retarded boringass dork friends). SO THERE FUCKWAD.
Mr. Katz, have you ever been to the ghetto? I have! Cabbage Town in Atlanta, is pretty frigen dangerous, they don't like white people and every male and some females, under 40 are packing and shooting, and dealing. Here in Douglasville (Atlanta suburb) the nearest ghetto is not quite that bad, but let's just say our Papa John's doesn't do deliveries there. Just because something is a stereo type, doesn't mean it isn't true, no matter what you'd like to think.
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i'm sure the people performing the music wish they didn't have to grow up around it either, but because they were born poor (maybe non-white, but it doesn't take skin color to be poor), they really didn't have a chance. you should instead hope your children listen to this and really know what goes on outside suburbanville, usa.
i guess you don't even really listen to the music, which isn't really suprising.
no, of course nothing that isn't pro white would be part of your daily routine. not that you would go out of your way to HATE black people, but you sure as hell wouldn't lift a finger (or raise a voice) to help the situation. I guess you are really just a social retard who just can't conversate with other people so you just try to find ways to alienate yourself from them.
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only make sense to me when the movie has a technological aspect. One of this movies most admirable qualities is that it does not.
This is basically what the movie IMHO is about. If you look at all the facts of Rafeal Perez, Suge Knight, LA DA's office, Rampart, etc.
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Theres's also a guy named David Mack a Compton Blood who just happened to be a LAPD member, and friend of Suge Knight. Well ol' Mr.Mack must have owed someone alot of money so he decided to rob a B of A for 700K well he got caught, got 15 years, and disowned the LAPD and know considers himself a Blood member in prison.
Now Rafeal Perez is also a main figure in all this he was setting up the Latino gangsters and killing them. He was also stealing their drugs and selling them himself. He was known to have mistresses in gang neighborhoods also. He was caught stealing cocaine from an evidence room to sell, probably to pay off someone big. Funny thing is he's out of jail but not a word has been heard from him , he's probably dead.
Suge Knight has been linked to all this by his Blood ties to Mack and Perez. Mack and Perez were good friends and there's a link to another LA cop Kevin Gaines who was gunned down during a traffic altercation by another LAPD narcotics officer Frank Lyga in plain clothes, off duty. Suge Knight was also untouchable during the early 90's but when the scandal broke he took one of the falls, not much is heard from him nowadays either.
"Have Gun Will Travel" is a book containg alot of info about Suge Knight and his dirty dealings.
Alonzo also had a tattoo in the movie which is the same thing most of these LAPD rogue cops had.
Well I have no doubt in my mind "Training Day" was about the LAPD scandal.
Any search for LAPD scandal on Google will bring up alot of this info.
Here's a good one: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/lap
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Can anyone make fun of how silly gangsta rappaz, fly pimpz and other african american role models are on prime time television though?
i didn't think so.
of course i make from of how dumb black people are, but no one can do it on tv, only black people are allowed to be racist on tv.
It takes place in Los Angeles, and the World Trade Center is (was?) in New York.
Where I live the movies are $15.00 just to stand in the back. Plus they kick you out after the first hour.
"The "ghetto" scenes are garish, crude, nearly racist stereotypes of life in the big city. Every black or Hispanic kid under 40 is packing and shooting."
So you mean it's realistic, then ?
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I watch most movies in a largely white community and we often feel like that on 90% of hollywood movies were the evil guy is allways the high-income white guy and the poor black guy is allways the inocent victim.
Though we hardly ever express it in such a creative, literary way as "fuck this movie".
Deal with it, you racist idiot.
Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say "affirmative actor"...
Are you a natural idiot or did you have to practice ?
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>White collar crime may cost the US more
Not in lives. Not in the lives I care for anyway.
>You made your bed, now lie in it.
Good advice for all the criminal niggers in prison.
>HIT THEM ALL WITH THE FUCK PUCK!
How poetic, now when do you turn 15 ?
what really made this movie for me was the peanut butter story. It reminded me of good old college days when I used to freak the girls out.