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GPS Drawings

With all the less then happy things happening, I thought I'd share a link sent in by mustafap. The site is GPS Drawing, and the idea is to record your path driving around with a GPS signal, and then graph the results to draw pictures. It's fun seeing the routes superimposed on maps. Simple and fun. I hope you enjoy it too.

180 comments

  1. Taxi drivers? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can we use this against taxi drivers, the next morning when we sober up and realize that fastest route from the bar to our house was not the 45 mile route the driver took...???

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    1. Re:Taxi drivers? by MxTxL · · Score: 2

      It's especially incriminating when you show everyone that the path he took draws out an extended middle finger.

    2. Re:Taxi drivers? by kawaichan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      At least they don't try to rob you. I've seen in on the news that criminals in China stole cabs and post themselves as cabbies and rob their passengers AND terminate you afterward? Well, at least the cops now would know where you end up...

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    3. Re:Taxi drivers? by Kaio · · Score: 1

      I've actually had a taxi driver, who, in order to get me to 29th street and 6th avenue from Park avenue downtown, went north to 32nd street, west to 7th avenue, south to 28th street, east through 28th street, and north through 6th avenue. That is, his route was like this:

      S
      v____6 ave
      v ____+{ { {+ 28st
      + 29st o____^
      v _________^
      v 32st _____^
      +} } } } } } + 7 ave

      S is the starting point.
      o is my final destination
      The v,},{, and ^ characters indicate the direction of the route.
      The _'s are there as place holders; try to ignore them.
      The +'s are specific streets. They correspond to the nearest label.

      Sorry if this is cryptic, I couldn't think of a better way to do at the moment.

      Oh yeah, he was on a cell phone the whole time. I'm sure that contributed to the formation his route. Needless to say, instead of a tip he received an argument.

    4. Re:Taxi drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've only had a problem with a taxi driver once, and before I had a gps. Now when I travel, I download directions from mapblast.com and download the coordinates of the turns into my gps. The first time the driver doesn't follow the mapblast directions, I politely ask the driver why he didn't make that turn. Often they say, something about trafic, stop lights, etc.. I don't know whether they're being honest about that or just making something up. Even so, I feel the fact that you ask is likely to prevent a driver from seeing how much he can get away with. I haven't had a problem since.

    5. Re:Taxi drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could say mean things about a person who draws ascii art maps of past taxi routes on internet message boards.

      This being slashdot, I think I will!

      *pause*

      or not.
      neverMind, sorry to waste your time.

    6. Re:Taxi drivers? by Kruemelmo · · Score: 1

      A customer staring at the gps box on his knees who politely asks why i didn't make that turn... that sounds like i take the next turn into the one way street where the jam is always really bad...

      ex taxi driver

    7. Re:Taxi drivers? by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > It's especially incriminating when you show everyone that the path he took draws out an extended middle finger.

      Never mind a taxi driver. I have visions of pilots doing this right now over a certain part of the world ;-)

    8. Re:Taxi drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has happened. Some unethical New York cabbies have been know to charge 200 dollars for a ride from the airport to downtown, victims usually foreign visitors.

  2. Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll probably get modded off-topic for this comment, but...

    that Shockwave game sucked. Really.

    1. Re:Uh... by JoeMac · · Score: 0, Troll

      Dude, I totally agree. I actually let it update my Shockwave for that shit? I need to read comments before I click links.

  3. So how long... by mmontour · · Score: 4, Funny

    So how long until one of the slashdot trolls starts posting a GPS drawing of that goatse guy?

  4. Pointless? by __ne2k · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    This really has to be one of the most completely pointless things I have ever seen in my entire life.

    1. Re:Pointless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't flamebait. No one here is going to flame him. He's right. This article symbolizes everything wrong with this nerdly circle-jerk of a website.

      Suck it.

    2. Re:Pointless? by toral · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll bite:

      More pointless than covering a hotel room with melted cheese, or submersing a Jesus figurine in a jar of urine? I see this as art; a creative form of expression. In that respect it isn't any less pointless than your favorite architect, painter, or sculptor.

      Sure, this fits into a niche. Many people can't or don't understand gps, tracking software, or data interpreters. Nevertheless, the end result is the same: people translating an idea onto a medium. Painters use canvas, musicians use tape, these people are using pure space. If you think about it for a second, it doesn't seem pointless at all (to me at least), but rather nifty.

      This may not be your thing. I don't care much for landscape painting. But that doesn't mean it is lacking a point. If nothing more, it sounds like the people doing this are enjoying it. Judging from the comments, it looks like they aren't alone. In fact, getting a reaction from someone who doesn't like it even validates it's point...

      -toral

    3. Re:Pointless? by B.D.Mills · · Score: 2

      I guess someone has a lot of time on their hands. Or maybe someone wants to recapture the experience of Etch-a-sketch with a GPS receiver and a real-time graphical display. Maybe they're perfecting the art of giving future GPS-based incarnations of Big Brother "the finger".

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    4. Re:Pointless? by firemoose · · Score: 1

      Ah...in a way all is pointless, but please be truthful, did this seem pointlessly humorous to you in the slightest way? I found it hilarious that someone would waste their time doing something like this and thus it brought mirth to the world and lost its pointlessness.

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    5. Re:Pointless? by TomV · · Score: 1
      I see this as art; a creative form of expression


      The article put me in mind of the Echo and The Bunnymen UK tour at the start of the 1980's


      The tour seemed to be a series of random flits from town to town, with no consideration for efficient routing or logic of any sort, and including gigs in village halls on obscure islands in the back of nowhere, even the Northern Isles, miles off the coast of Scotland.

      But when the New Musical Express asked the Bunnymen's manager, Bill Drummond (later of The KLF, Justified Ancients of Mu Mu, Timelords, K Foundation etc) why they were following such a random route, Drummond's reply was:


      "It's not random: if you look at a map of the world, the whole tour's in the shape of a rabbit's ears."

      Sheer unmitigated genius.

      TomV

    6. Re:Pointless? by pyat · · Score: 1

      on art theme, this kinda idea was used in Paul Auster's New York Trilogy novel (small spoiler)

      private detective is following this guy around every day, eventually notices that there is actually a pattern to the guy's daily wanderings: each day he draws a letter
      tower of babylon (IIRC)
      cool novel

    7. Re:Pointless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point! I think the point or pointlessness of this thing lies in the the fact that if points didn't exist, then the GPS drawing thing would not have happened if points didn't exist: Have you ever tried doing a dot-to-dot without any dots in it, innit?
      I would like to see anyone try.

    8. Re:Pointless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the difference between a camel and a letterbox?

      I won't ask you WHAT?

      Oh this is the thing about having 2 browsers simultaneously..
      WHAT?

      WHAT'S THE ANSWER?

      IS IT A JOKE?

      "I won't ask you to post your letters for me."

      Right. Too much time in the Dew Drop Inn.
      Do apologise. If you get the joke, then please tell me...

  5. Incoming... by CatKnight · · Score: 1

    I'm sure someone will use this to figure out weird coincidences and conspiracies. Messages written out in paths taken and such.

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    1. Re:Incoming... by flufffy · · Score: 1
      will? have! new age types in the u.k. believe that there is a huge diagram of the zodiac 10 miles across drawn around the town of glastonbury. glastonbury itself is a hub of various cosmic cultural activity, ufos, crystals, standing stomes, etc. the zodiac is supposed to be outlined by natural features, and lanes and hedges. it was 'discovered' in the 1930s by someone who claimed that it was originally king arthur's ...

      search google for glastonbury zodiac.

  6. Now wait a minute! by Necron69 · · Score: 1

    Hey, this is obviously stolen from my senior project back in 92'-93. I'll have to file for a patent violation!!

    I'm rich! I'm rich!!!!

    - Necron69

    1. Re:Now wait a minute! by kawaichan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What, the patent of "how to bore the everyone to their deaths????" I think that's already been done, try talk to the author of the "english paitent"

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  7. hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is absolutely fascinating...

  8. Family Circus by chairmanKAGA · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Kinda reminds me of those Family Circus comics in the paper on sundays.

    Kind of interesting to see where people have been...would be fun to wake up and start the GPS and then at the end of the night see where you have been all day by graphing it onto a local map. Do this for weeks. At the end of all the time, use the (x,y) cords and divide the city into 4 quadants and start to make equations of where you have been....try and see where you are most likely to be..... see what times you are most likely to be where, etc...Could be some good math to do..useless? sure, but fun if yer a geek like me:)

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    1. Re:Family Circus by Cooje · · Score: 1

      Do this with a large number of people and develop 'probability clouds' for their whereabouts. Then use multivariate exploratory data analysis techniques on critical dimensions of the probability clouds to characterize types of people according to their ranging zones. Could be interesting!

  9. Copyright? by sprouty76 · · Score: 1

    How long before somebody realises that their route to work is some fantastic work of art? And how long before they try and copyright the route?

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  10. Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by standards · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd find it more interesting just to see where I have driven over the past twelve months.

    Alternatively, I'd like to see what cell phone cells I drive through. That'd be neat, and perhaps more nerdly than the purpose-built paths of the site.

    Anyone do that yet? I'm sure we'd all like to see that versus a distorted elephant picture made by some guy driving his car around a city.

    1. Re:Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by blancolioni · · Score: 1

      I'm sure we'd all like to see that versus a distorted elephant picture made by some guy driving his car around a city.

      I've been told before that I'm egocentric, and make things All About Me. From now on, I'll just show people your post, and they'll never be able to complain again.

      A squiggly line showing us where you've been for the last twelve months, versus a cute little elephant in Brighton. What do you think is more interesting (to people other than you)?

    2. Re:Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This tracing of cellphones had been done here in Holland.
      Take a look at this dutch site.
      'Waar was U' is 'Where were you' in Dutch.
      Just type a phone number, time and date and... voila.
      That's scarry, they seem to be right most of the time, it's just to bad you can only search in past months.

    3. Re:Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've been told before that I'm egocentric, and make things All About Me. From now on, I'll just show people your post, and they'll never be able to complain again.

      Does your suggestion that you're less egocentric than another make you better than him?

      Since you detected that you are not the most egocentric person here, does that make you happier?

      I think you're still All About You. Don't forget to show your reply to people too. I think their reason to complain about you will only grow.

    4. Re:Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Cellnet phones already do this. You can set them to show you the "local" STD code for the area you're driving through.

      I don't know if any mobile phone networks in the US do this yet, it probably need to use digital mobile phones to work. As far as I know the old ETACS phones didn't do it but GSM ones do.

    5. Re:Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by hey! · · Score: 2

      88I'd find it more interesting just to see where I have driven over the past twelve months.

      Just get a GPS with a 12VDC adapter and leave it running in your car. Periodically download your track log to your PC -- voila!

      Your GPS manufacturer probably has software to do this. I have a Garmin; there are shareware utilities for managing the tracklog and waypoint database. Alternatively, there are open perl modules that talk the Garmin protocol -- very nice for owners of the cheap etrex.

      (Personally, I think the etrex antenna sucks but it is otherwise a sweet little box that works fine in the car where you don't have to worry much about tree cover.)

      Alternatively, I'd like to see what cell phone cells I drive through. That'd be neat, and perhaps more nerdly than the purpose-built paths of the site.

      The really alpha-geek thing to do would be to hack your cell phone to tell you. Otherwise, you could approximate this by plotting the centroids of the cell as waypoints and downloading them to your GPS.

      An even nicer thing would be to do a PDA application that talks to your GPS so you could have a more sophisticated database. I've toyed with several for the palm: the Magellan unit for Vx form factor and the Rand-Macnally unit for the III form factor (These are somewhat obsoleted by the new form factors). Both of these work by sending standard NMEA strings with position, heading and speed information over RS232, so acquirign fix information and parsing it is a snap. The Magellan unit is excellent; it locks on fast and comes with first class software that turns your palm pilot into a handly little GPS with a full GUI.

      The Rand Macnally unit is pretty much junk: the mapping software that comes with it is very crashy on the palm. However the desktop software is fine and very useful for street mapping and the hardware unit is acceptable: it takes a long time to lock on, but it performs acceptably thereafter if you have good coverage. The big advantage is that if you look in the store specials bin it can be got really, really cheap: the III form factor is gone and because of the crappy software the Streetfinder/GPS for palm package has a very high return rate. This makes it good for experimenting if you have a III* palm, or can get your hands on one. The most important strings for position, heading, signal quality etc. are standard across all manufacturers.

      There are some clip on units for WinCE too; I expect the also work by sending serial signals. In any case, your other choice is to make a null-modemish cable for your GPS to connect it to your PDA or laptop. The connectors on GPS's are non-standard (they have to be water proof) and very expensive: a cable with the GPS connector on one end and bare wires on the other cost about $40. There was a guy who had molded some connectors for a couple of Garmin units and was selling them for a reasonable price over the internet -- try a google search.

      There used to be a Rand-Macnally package with the streetfinder package and a small, puck like GPS unit with a DB9 DCE wired connector that plugged straight into your laptop to transfer data and to get power. This cost me under $100, for which I got the GPS (sans any hardware user interface which was fine for my purposes) and street maps of the entire US (albeit windows only). This might make a good experimenter's unit if it's still available. If you want to use it with a PDA, simply make a little straight through dongle that separates power leads and runs them to a small battery pack.

      By the way, interfacing with GPSs and other NMEA capable equipment is one fault I found with the Linux PDA discussed a few days ago. Sure, USB is better for desktop integration, but you have to get a CF format serial card (such as the Socket corp I/O card) to interface with this kind of equipment. Hopefully, there are drivers for serial cards, otherwise they're useless for many kinds of apps you'd particularly want an open software based platform for.

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    6. Re:Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many cellphones can be programmed from the keypad to display the ID of the cell you're locked onto; It's amazing on your commute to see how many you pass through.

    7. Re:Gimme cell phone cells or something COOLER. by Gibbys+Box+of+Trix · · Score: 1

      it's just to bad you can only search in past months

      As opposed to being able to see Waar U Will Be?

  11. You know... by dwdyer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Maybe I've read too many marginal novels, but I imagine using this as a way to communicate covertly. Granted, it'd be a royal pain in the ass.

    Drive or walk your message, while transmitting your location. Glyphs could stand for entire blocks of meaning. Encrypt the message into glyphs, then walk them while transmitting encrypted GPS data. The data would then be smoothed (in space and time domains? What about traffic jams?) in order to recover the glyphs. Encrypted sign language in the large.

    But most of all, it reminds me of the alphabet-walking man in Paul Auster's City of Glass.

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    1. Re:You know... by rabidcow · · Score: 1

      If you're gonna transmit GPS coords, you might as well just trace your pattern on a computer instead of a city.

      What you'd want to send is intersections or simple directions, use GPS to decrypt the message. Ideally, break the trip into many smaller trips and give end-to-end directions, out of order.

    2. Re:You know... by digitalsushi · · Score: 1

      Just like a bumble bee.

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    3. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Maybe I've read too many marginal novels, but I imagine using this as a way to communicate covertly.

      This reminds me of Paul Auster's City of Glass, where the protagonists plots the daily walks of the person that he's been following on a map, and sees that they are spelling something out.

  12. Oh Oh, What about road rallying by kawaichan · · Score: 1

    kidda reminds me of road rallying, basically you meet with bunch of people driving in the middle of nowhere with no real purposes AND wasting gas at the same time. talk about productivity

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  13. how cool by mojo-raisin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always wondered where I am when flying over the US... never really thought about taking a laptop and GPS aboard to chart progress.

    ... you could even plug the data into Flight Gear in real time so you could look at your computer screen instead of looking out the window (of couse using the cool A href="satellite photo textures:)

    1. Re:how cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commercial GPS units generally have problems tracking when you're moving at high velocity. Most operate under the assumption that you are stationary when triangulating data received at two different times. The faster you're going, the more inaccurate the data is going to be until the unit finally gives up from bad tolerances.

    2. Re:how cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      Not true.. GPS can handle velocity just fine. I use a handheld GPS in an airplane all the time.

    3. Re:how cool by jooniqzb1tch · · Score: 1

      that's bullshit. all recent GPS receivers work fine in airplanes. it's actually pretty cool to watch while flying :)
      some airline companies even display a map on the monitors with the GPS position of the plane during the fligh, as well as speed and height info, which were very close to those shown on the little hand carried device.

    4. Re:how cool by astrophysics · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The velocity limitation imposed on comercial gps's is that they max out at 999mph. Since that's nearly mach 2, not a problem for comercial flights. I download waypoints for several cities in the regions where I'm flying so I can see right on my GPS's screen, without having to bring a laptop.

      E

    5. Re:how cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      ExpertGPS will show your GPS track superimposed on aerial photos anywhere in the USA. http://www.expertgps.com [expertgps.com]

    6. Re:how cool by Matt · · Score: 1
      Years ago, there was one popular handheld GPS receiver which was deliberately crippled to crap out above 99 knots. This so that anyone wanting to use one on a plane, as opposed to a boat or hiking or whatever, would be compelled to buy their vastly more expensive aviation receiver.

      My Garmin 12XL works fine on planes. I haven't used it on airline flights much, but the few times I have, it was run to see the "velocity" reading showing 450 knots.

      As for maximum speed, I used to work at a place which made advanced receivers for the military. We had a test scenario we'd put the receivers through which had it "flying" at 1000 meters per second. Maybe an SR-71 could do that. I bet it wouldn't do the 10 G turns that were also in that test scenario, though. :-)

      And there have been GPS receivers made which will work on spacecraft in orbit. Nearly 8000 meters per second.

    7. Re:how cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "all recent GPS receivers work fine in airplanes."

      Completely incorrect.

      The FAA restricts what you can and cannot use on a commercial aircraft. I have had 3 handheld GPS units from various manufacturers and they have all stopped recording altitude at 11k feet. I was in the Keystone Mountains in Colorado, and while going up a lift, all three units would just stop at nearly the same exact altitude. Two additional units of one brand were also stopped at the same altitude, and none of the units worked on a commercial aircraft after reaching cruising altitude.

      Sorry chucklenuts, you're wrong.

    8. Re:how cool by N+Monkey · · Score: 1

      I used to take my GPS on planes but

      (1)had to put it right next to the window to be able to get a signal and

      (2) a misinformed air steward told me that "transmitters" are not allowed on planes and to switch it off. It wasn't worth arguing or trying to explain how GPS works, so I turned it off. I don't bother taking it anymore.

      Simon

    9. Re:how cool by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Musty have been something wrong with your GPS's, I've never had that happen. But then again I've never used them on a commercial aircraft. I've been above 11,000ft a few times though, and never saw the GPS crap out.

      Are you sure it's GPS? Quite sure you're not just hallucinating a GPS failure due to anoxia? ;-)

    10. Re:how cool by savaget · · Score: 1

      No need for a laptop, as many modern and inexpensive consumer GPS units have bulit in maps. For example my Garmin Etrex Legend has rough built in maps and can be upgraded with higher resolution maps by uploading MapSource compatible maps of many parts of the world. You can follow your path on the map page in real time. Of course the map page is no where as big as the laptop display, but it does do the job. This unit is priced just above $200USD.

    11. Re:how cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're wrong. Just last weekend I was on a commercial flight from SJC to PHX. I turned it on about halfway through the flight, and it found my location and tracked me just fine. I was using a Garmin Emap.

    12. Re:how cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Garmin Emap doesn't... at least not Jet Liners
      couldn't tell you about turboprops I just figured something in the hull blocked the signal

    13. Re:how cool by jooniqzb1tch · · Score: 1

      might not have worked for your equipment, but it sure did for me ..

      the actual device I used was the garmin etrex (link : http://www.garmin.com/products/etrexsummit/ ). I wasnt sure if it could be used onboard, but the crew said it was ok. The device worked properly during the whole flight, showing correct measures according to screen displays on the plane. this GPS receiver has an air pressure device built in for better altitude sensing, but I guess that doesn't make a big difference in a pressurised airplane..

  14. And don't forget crop circles by ShaunC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Attention, mysterious crop-circle makers: next time you liquor up and head out to Billy Bob's farm for a fun night of, uh, cornstalking, don't forget your GPS! Would be interesting to see the GPS track left behind from a crop-circle creation.

    One thing that kind of irked me about the site, "data alteration" is used in part to make most of the images. I think I'd rather see the raw unaltered images. What's the point of doing the whole GPS position tracking thing if you're just going to alter the data to make it look "right?" Seems equivalent to sketching a landscape, only to take a photo afterwards and toss the sketch into the trash.

    Shaun

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    1. Re:And don't forget crop circles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Unaltered data would be kind of useless because maps are intentionally made to be incorrect. So if you crossed a bridge and later overlayed the GPS track over a map, you'd be going over the middle of the river about a 1/4 mile away from where the bridge really is. It's not exactly informative as to where you actually were.

    2. Re:And don't forget crop circles by kilgore_47 · · Score: 1

      Unaltered data would be kind of useless because maps are intentionally made to be incorrect. So if you crossed a bridge and later overlayed the GPS track over a map, you'd be going over the middle of the river about a 1/4 mile away from where the bridge really is. It's not exactly informative as to where you actually were.

      I've used the Hertz navigation system in a rental car before, and it did not behave as you describe. When I crossed a bridge, you showed our position on the river with dead-on accuracy. The second the little marker went off the river was the second the car was no longer over the river.

      I was impressed. I hear performance can vary based on if you're area is well mapped though. I was in Chicago, at the time, and I'd imagine coverage in a city that size is as good as it gets.

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    3. Re:And don't forget crop circles by lha2 · · Score: 1

      GPS works very well far away from military bases. Closer you get to military installations, worse it gets (if you're a civilian).

      So I've heard, anyway.

  15. GPS-guided missiles by macdaddy · · Score: 2, Troll

    I think it would be really cool to do this with the GPD-guided missiles that we're using against the Taliban (note I said Taliban and *not* Muslims). I would love to see their path from whatever launched them, avoiding enemy SAMs, hills/mountians, until the reached their target. That would be pretty neat I think.

    1. Re:GPS-guided missiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing better than exposing the methods and algorithms for our most advanced military hardware to everyone in the world.

    2. Re:GPS-guided missiles by Goonie · · Score: 2
      Fascinating. I'm sure military intelligence agencies the world over would love this kind of data . . . .

      Seriously, sure it'd be really cool to look at (particularly if they combined it with some cool 3D imaging so we could have a "virtual missile cam"), but the chances of this kind of data being released before 2030 or so are somewhere are pretty minimal.

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    3. Re:GPS-guided missiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we could even program the guided missles to go certain pathes to drawl pictures

    4. Re:GPS-guided missiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG Score: 4 for such crap. I can't believe it. Ah but he said "Taliban", not muslim. Tardfuck.

    5. Re:GPS-guided missiles by kruczkowski · · Score: 2

      This guy I knew told me a story that a few years ago they declassified the videos from the bombs that fell in '91. He said that all you saw was desert, then a small building, then 2 guys standing outside smoking... and blank. Wonder what they were talking about.

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    6. Re:GPS-guided missiles by JimPooley · · Score: 1

      "Don't worry, they couldn't hit the side of a barn at this dist..."

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    7. Re:GPS-guided missiles by Kruemelmo · · Score: 1

      Pretty neat. War is fascinating, isn't it. Why not take the illustrations and print them on tshirts and wallpapers and so on. Make art out of them, sell the stuff and use the money to fight terrorists.

      Hopefully you were already ironic - anyway, your comment is *tasteless*.

    8. Re:GPS-guided missiles by TangoCharlie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I don't think killing people can ever really be described as "cool". The Taliban are a terrible regime, but they are not the only terrible regime in the world. BTW you miss typed GPS...

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  16. Re:The Truth About Islam by compugeek007 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    mod this guy OUTTA here.. Slashdot is not the spot for spam, go post on some newsgroup for lunatics.

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  17. Re:Need the name of this song. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No doubt.

  18. Comment on your sig by bogado · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't it be rm -rf /bin/ladden? This way you wuold erase his subordinates also. :-)

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    ^[:wq

    1. Re:Comment on your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't it be chmod a+x /bin/laden? So everyone can execute him...

  19. Re:The Truth About Islam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, what's wrong with free speech? The particular tract bewing linked to isn't that extreme or lunatic. It merely makes the point that Islam grew out of Arabic tribal religions.

  20. Dangerous Information by Myriad · · Score: 3, Funny
    At the end of all the time, use the (x,y) cords and divide the city into 4 quadants and start to make equations of where you have been....try and see where you are most likely to be..... see what times you are most likely to be where, etc...

    Let me get this straight... you want to hand your girl-friend 3D graphical evidence that you weren't working late, that you've actually been drinking with your buddies at the bar again?

    All I can say is: Bad, bad plan.

    --
    "They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
    1. Re:Dangerous Information by G-funk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Let me get this straight... you want to hand your girl-friend 3D graphical evidence that you weren't working late, that you've actually been drinking with your buddies at the bar again?



      Could be some good math to do..useless? sure, but fun if yer a geek like me:)


      Yeah, I get it.... Girlfriend





      Just kidding dude ;-)


      --
      Send lawyers, guns, and money!
  21. Nothing to see here, folks...move along by BarefootClown · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I s'pose it would be impolite to point out that this is nothing particularly new. Matter of fact, we hams have had something like this for years, but a little more fun: APRS, or Automatic Packet Reporting System. Basically, the GPS receiver is connected to a TNC (packet radio modem), and broadcasts its position at a time interval specified by the user. Now I can see where you are going. Couple the reception of the GPS data with mapping software, and you get this. Very entertaining to see where your buddy is going ("No, no, I said turn left on Brooks!"), and very useful at times--throw the rig in your trunk before you give the keys to your kid. QST did an article about this a few years ago; if I weren't so lazy, I might go look it up. Feel free to post it, anybody, if you find it.

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    "Make it ten--I am only a poor corrupt official."
    --Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains), Casablanca

    1. Re:Nothing to see here, folks...move along by netsharc · · Score: 0

      Wow, just like those spy movies where you attach a really really small device with a magnet to your target car, and you follow it with a small laptop that always has the map of the area you are in. :)

      --
      What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
    2. Re:Nothing to see here, folks...move along by hey! · · Score: 2

      Wasn't the original goal of APRS to see who was around to talk to?

      If so, it shows another reason to do things just because they're interesting: they often take on a life of their own. Like some finnish CS student writing his own OS kernel.

      APRS was almost cool enough to get me back into ham radio.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    3. Re: Nothing to see here, folks...move along by InitZero · · Score: 2

      And, of course, that GPS/APRS information is gated to the Internet at the site FindU.com. For example, I'm right here. (Actually, I was there a while ago.)

      Position information can be updated as often (every ten seconds) or as rarely as you want (when active, I send a packet every two minutes when moving; 30 minutes when stopped). You can also stations near me.

      I never found ham radio very interesting until the advent of APRS. I can talk with someone across the world using email or a telephone. APRS brings something to ham radio I really enjoy.

      When I'm touring on my bicycle, I generally have the GPS and ham radio with me. Folks all over the work can track me on the internet. One of these days, I'm going to tap into my heart rate monitor so that data can also be uploaded to the internet using ham radio.

      Ham radio is a great way to your geekness to the next level.

      InitZero

  22. Woud this let me track my cat's daily wanderings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are GPS receivers small enough to fit on a cat's collar?

    I'd pay $ for a collar that would keep track of where my cat goes during the day when I let him out. Every day, or week, or whenever, I could download info from the collar and graph his wanderings against a map of my neighborhood.

    Come on, engineers, whaddya say?

  23. New contest! by phraktyl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kudos to the first person to drive around their country to spell First Post with their GPS system.

    Other allowed GPS path contest entries would include: Beowulf, Natelie Portman and JohnKatz Sucks.

    --
    Karma: Marginal (mostly due to the border around the website)
    1. Re:New contest! by anonymous+moderator · · Score: 1

      Or for extra points, DeCSS.

    2. Re:New contest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it'd have to be the whole algorithm!

  24. Anyone tried... by mickonline · · Score: 1

    Writing out some decryption algorithms?

    Let's see if the DMCA will ban GPS

    mick

    1. Re:Anyone tried... by ocie · · Score: 1

      Or get together a group of people and spell out the DeCSS source across an uninhabited part of the desert so it can be read from space.

      --
      JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
    2. Re:Anyone tried... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think if you found enough people to go to that time/effort, Jack Valenti would throw up his hands and immediately give up.

      Or he might just laugh at you, and keep on suing. It's really up to him.

  25. Kewl Beans 3D Toys! by flyneye · · Score: 1

    i just happened to have some anaglyph viewers sittin on top of my monitor.some of those drawings had adjustable red/blue stereonoise.
    SERENDIPITY!

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  26. Etch-a-sketch by toral · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It like an extremely large scale etch-a-sketch, although some of the drawings are not continuous.

    Nevertheless, this is certainly nifty. I especially like the airborn ones. Someone could really exploit the 3d nature of this in the sky.

    I can see this becoming another type of performance art: watch the gps path on a screen as this guy doodles something in the lake with his boat. A few people working together could come up with some especially spectacular results...

    -toral

  27. Animals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Has anyone ever tried this on a cat or something?

    I always wondered just what they are up to when I see a cat, whos owner lives a block or two from my house, walk by my front door....

    -Justin

  28. Re:goat sex? by LegendLength · · Score: 1

    Not offtopic but it is redundant.

  29. Re:Woud this let me track my cat's daily wandering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your cat wanders into my yard, its dead. It wouldn't be the first, either.

  30. best time to work? by HaveBlue34 · · Score: 1

    how about a gps device that records your best time from point to point? Work to home, school etc. maybe send that info to the guy in the next car and see if he can beat your best time :)

  31. Re:Let me get this straight... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "You people disgust me!"

    Good - then I've been productive today as well.

    --
    We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
  32. Wait a Minute by nihilogos · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought my girlfriend said she was going to the movies. There's no cinema there.

    --
    :wq
  33. Re:The Truth About Islam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Slashdot is not the spot for spam"

    ROFLMAO! Someone mod this post up as funny!

  34. Road trip - Summer 2000 by wass · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I did just this on my road trip last summer (Summer 2K, baby!). Here's my homepage for my online journal.

    I had an IBM thinkpad laptop (dual-boot Windows 95/Mandrake 6.1, although once I had linux installed I never booted up that 'other' OS :-) ), connected to my GPS (Garmin II+). I ran a VERY simple bash script that just pinged the GPS every minute and grabbed the latitude/longitude/altitude. I stored these points in a data-file, and then rendered some pretty cool maps (Mercator and Perspective Satellite Projections) when I got back from the trip. I rendered the projections on IDL, with some superimposed (and conformally mapped) satellite pictures of Earth for the terrain.

    Trip started and ended in NJ, but went through about 40 states in-between, coast-to-coast. Even drove through parts of Mexico and Canada. Put about 15,000 miles on my car in 8 weeks. It was pretty cool, I was totally connected, with laptop and GPS and CB, driving from point to point. Got kind of annoying to keep doing it all the time, though (especially for parts of the trip that friends went with me), but it was definitely worth it!

    The online journal isn't caught up, and is kind of wordy at times, but let me know what y'alls think. When I get some free time (yeah right) I'll add some more pictures, shorten all the blah-blah text, and maybe also add a pictures-only tour. Let me know how you guys like the maps, though. I wanted to eventually render them in Python to only use open-source software, but never got around to fully learning Python. Had to settle on IDL instead.

    --

    make world, not war

    1. Re:Road trip - Summer 2000 by madajb · · Score: 1

      The maps are great. Makes me wonder if I should start tracing myself.

      I wonder if street/road level is possible? Something to ponder.

      -ajb

    2. Re:Road trip - Summer 2000 by wass · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Thanks. Walking around with the GPS, you can definitely see a difference of a few dozen feet, especially now since the US turned off the selective availability. However, errors can be reduced to cm's or less, through time averaging (My Garmin does it, but I don't know what the max time-average duration is). So, depending on your patience and accuracy, you can make road maps that can be quite accurate.

      The GPS came in real handy on my trip, though, for helping me find where I was when lost (happened all the time). The Garmin II+ has a small display that shows a trajectory like this as you go (it only keeps a finite number of points, obviously, maybe a few hours worth before it starts swapping them out). I could often match the path I was driving with the road on the map, and find out precisely where I was (of course, the latitude/longitude would tell me that too, but the maps usually have only a few lat/long bars, and interpolating between them is a pain).

      --

      make world, not war

    3. Re:Road trip - Summer 2000 by madajb · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You weren't lost. You were just:

      "A mite confused for a couple of days"

      -ajb

    4. Re:Road trip - Summer 2000 by Snoe · · Score: 1

      Very cool maps, looks like fun.

  35. Other program by 300ZX_tt · · Score: 1

    I wrote a program that can do this kind of things. It's actually for glider's pilot. You can record your fly and do a post analysis. You can also bring a (very small) laptop with you and use it as a moving map. Sorry, it's only Windows but if someone is interested, I can provide the sources. http://gschneid.free.fr (In French and English)

    1. Re:Other program by brucehoult · · Score: 4, Informative
      In fact we glider pilots have been doing this for nearly a decade now. The world championships in New Zealand in 1995 were judged using GPS flight records (I was one of the scorers), as has every world champtionship since -- and most local and national contests too.

      Here are the results of that contest. In the daily score sheets each flight is linked to the GPS log of that flight, so anyone can analyse the flying style and tactics of world champion pilots. You need a free program to view these files.

      Here are some examples of good glider flights made in the USA, such as a 500 km flight at an average speed of 247 km/h (153 mph). Without an engine!

  36. Extreme parental supervision by jukal · · Score: 1

    This is somehow related to one of my ermmm.. buffer overflows ;) so there.

  37. Ideal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would have been ideal when I was wandering about the bridges of Koenigsberg.

  38. why not just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do it riding a bike, and zoom in further...
    (it seems like an aweful waste of gas for marginally better resolution)

  39. Re:Blast from the past! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OGG NOT LIKE. Ogg hit you over head with Open Source CD.

  40. How about Netstumbler/Dstumbler routes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Draw with your wardriving GPS logs!

    Hmmm - that last wardriving trip spelled out "look at all these AP's"

  41. Mapping fun with GPS receivers by osolemirnix · · Score: 1
    Check out the Degree Confluence Project for some mapping fun with GPS receivers. Or travel the world safely from your home.

    Many websites (restaurant guides, etc.) that use some kind of Geographical Info System display the Latitude and Longitude in the URL query string. Hacking that is fun, but I still have to come up with a clever use for it. Check out mapquest too, e.g.: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_free?lat=501000 &lng=30000&level=6

    --

    Idempotent operation: Like MS software, wether you run it once or often, that doesn't make it any better.
  42. Advertiser's Dream by Big+Yak · · Score: 2, Interesting
    How much time do you spend per year driving a less than optimal route (or just plain lost)? I figure I spend about 60 hours a year driving more than I need to (damn, I didn't know there was a detour there -- or, I shoulda took the bypass around that traffic jam).

    Calculate:
    (hrs wasted driving/year) * [(# of people who care) * (average value of hour per person)
    + (amount of wear and tear on road) + (amount of wear and tear on car) + (amount of wasted gas) + (cost of polution in air) + (money saved from less accidents)]

    Using GPS systems when driving quickly add up some serious savings! Image if the Government paid 50% off all GPSes -- they'd quickly recoup their costs in terms of road/polution/life savings!

    If that's not enough, would you sell your GPS coordinates and a detailed buying profile? Advertisers would be able to say -- "80% of people driving this road are interested in their MCSE certfification!", or "30% of people that go down this highway at 5 PM have children in the perfect X-Box purchasing range!", etc... Then, put some animated signs that change based on who's driving by.... we're talking serious advertising $$$!

    You could use the same info for tracking speed limits & dangerous roads. I'm not talking tracking when people are speeding, but rather, track when people are speeding stupidly. Imagine if all speed limits in the world were variable, depending on the weather, the amount of accidents occuring in this area, the average age (or skill) of drivers on that road, etc. Wow. I currently live in Germany and drive 100MPH on average -- I hate going back to the states and driving 55. But, German drivers are much more skilled (5 months mandatory driver's training, no exceptions), and have on average much safer and more responsive cars...

    Bottom line: Everyone should use GPS systems, and the government should be handing them out like candy. Get some intelligent privacy laws going, and It'd be an improvement for everyone!

    --
    -Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned for /.
  43. Re:Woud this let me track my cat's daily wandering by jonr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, the Garmin eTrex are pretty small, and I recall a Seiko or something GPS watch...

  44. turn it off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    We'll never monitor your comings & goings at ScaredCity?tm?, with our revolutionary gnu, pateNTdead, ScamCam?tm?.

    We will, however, be giving away this unintrusive set of URLs, including a year's free hosting, to some unafraud netizen, whois willing to follow the simple directions.

    We did acquire these (soon to be updated) face scans, of the REAL .commIEs, with our gnu devise.

    fud IS dead. Viva La Revolucione

  45. So then..... by LittleGuy · · Score: 1

    ... The Taliban could use cartoons from "The Family Circus" to plan strikes?

    "Who's responsible for this terroristic attack?"
    "Not Me." "Ida Know."

    --
    Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
  46. Graph paper by flufffy · · Score: 1
    i thought that it was pretty interesting, but then again i used to live in some of the places they walked around (brighton -- a cool place). brighton's been settled for hundreds of years -- you can see the different parts of its growth in the different forms of street layouts.

    now i live in colorado -- if you did it here, you'd just come up with graph paper, as all the streets are laid out in grids.

    perhaps you can see people and streets and houses as information, and urban plans as the cultural algorithms (different in each place) that organise them?

  47. Re:Woud this let me track my cat's daily wandering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Your graph would consist of a single point which is where that cat sleeps all day every day!

  48. Precision Farming by ce25254 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course a business application of this sort of thing is like the project I used to work on for a major ag equipment company. GPS is put on a combine or tractor, along with other sensors, and then the location data is correlated with other data, like yield or moisture, which is collected every second. Nice maps can be drawn to give information about what's happening on a farmer's field. And it can help to make decisions about how or what to plant next year.

    1. Re:Precision Farming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>> Nice maps can be drawn to give information about what's happening on a farmer's field.

      Particularly if the farmer's back at the house and his daughter isn't :-)

  49. Worse than pointless by Computer! · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else see this as a complete waste of fuel and clean air more than a waste of time? Go ahead and make a giant invisible Etch-A-Sketch drawing using gallons of gas and spewing noxious fumes into the atmoshpere, and then get all excited, like you just made some art. While some people ride a bike to work to save gas, these people are driving around just for the sake of driving around. Not to mention the safety concerns of running the equipment, and trying to follow a nonsensical route. Sheesh.

    --
    If you fall off a building, go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will be like hey, free dummy
    1. Re:Worse than pointless by kaimiike1970 · · Score: 1

      If you had actually read the article, instead of reacting so quickly, you would have noticed that some of them were done on foot. While you might have had a good point, your reactionary stance and hyperbole has made you seem like a fool.

      --


      Do a google search before posting.
    2. Re:Worse than pointless by Computer! · · Score: 1

      Hi.

      I do not deny that some of them may have been done on foot. Those that were not were small-scale wastes of non-renewable resources, which, if you were not so contrary, you would have agreed to. I was the only person to point this out, so you're welcome.

      You do know that reactionary means "conservative", don't you? And hyperbole means an exaggerated figure of speech? Can you point out an example of conservatism or exaggeration please?

      Just checking, because you didn't use these words properly, which makes you look as if English might be your second language. That's no big deal, a lot of people don't read and write English all that well, but they usually don't try to impress other folks with words they don't understand, hoping those folks don't understand them either.

      --
      If you fall off a building, go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will be like hey, free dummy
    3. Re:Worse than pointless by kaimiike1970 · · Score: 1

      I have no desire to get into a flame war with you, especially about the use [or misuse] of words. Having said that, is it possible for you to be more obtuse? You deliberatly choose the definitions that allow you to mock me. Why choose 'conservative' and not 'opposition to progress'? The latter is precisely the meaning I had in mind when I used it. Furthermore, from your own link I quote:

      'hyperbole (h-pûrb-l)
      n.
      A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.


      If you had read the definition in it's entirety you might have garnered a clue as to the actual meaning. Lastly, like all people who think they are superior to other people, you attacked me personally for no apparent reason and then condescended to me. Whether english is my first language or my seventh language is not germaine to any discussion we might be having about GPS art. You are a small person who likes to feel big at other's expense. Good day to you.

      --


      Do a google search before posting.
    4. Re:Worse than pointless by Computer! · · Score: 1

      OK. You said I looked like a fool, attacking me personally for no reason. You used two big words in doing so. The only definition for reactionary is conservative. I choose that definition, because the other one you think you used is for a different word, a plural noun. The proper use for that one would be "You are a reactionary", not "You are reactionary". If I had called "GPS" "GNP", while flaming you on /., would you have let that go?

      You still haven't pointed out an example of exageration used for emphasis or effect, which is what I asked of you. If you're not going to answer questions asked, why would you reply? I have plenty of clues, thanks.

      "Whether english is my first language or my seventh language is not germaine to any discussion we might be having about GPS art."

      Neither is a personal attack on my level of perceived foolishness, but you came out swinging, so...

      "You are a small person who likes to feel big at other's expense. "

      Where did you get that from? Did I reply to your original and insightful post with a crappy "read the article" flame? Nope. You did. Do you know anything else about me, enough to make that kind of judgement? My post was pointing out that the price of this GPS art was several gallons of gasoline and a lot of unecessary pollution, which was a valid point. Then you replied, calling me a fool. I just pointed out that in doing so you used big words incorrectly, which you are still doing, which is ironic when questioning someone else's intelligence. I did that as a public service, so that you don't do it face-to-face sometime soon and really embarass yourself. You're welcome for that, too.

      I don't think I'm better than anyone, but I will defend myself, which I think is only fair.

      --
      If you fall off a building, go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will be like hey, free dummy
    5. Re:Worse than pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, children, please stop fighting. there is nothing to fight about. 2 people have enjoyed working on an idea. If you want to squabble. please keep it to yourselves. you are not interesting. Please check your spelling and grammar.

  50. about as interesting as.. by mcdade · · Score: 1

    Those 'car maps' you would make as a kid on long road trips. Get a peice of paper and put it up to the window, stick your pencil on it and just let all the bums and things move your hand around.

    instant art in the car... maybe i'm the only one that did that...

  51. Huh? by deepvoid · · Score: 1

    GPS Drawing has to be the silliest thing going! Let's hope none of this stuff ends up in a gallery somewhere, it might actually become mainstream...

    [looking for my GPS and interface cable. just in case.]

    --
    Fast machines, powerfull AI, impulsive invention,... All I lack is a good espresso machine!
  52. Doing this with GnuPlot by RackinFrackin · · Score: 1

    I've been doing this sort of thing for a while now. I made a cable for my garmin etrex, and I use the gpstrans program to download the track data into into a file (in decimal degree format). After that, I use a simple perl script to convert the lines of data to just lattitude/longitude cooridinates, and then plot it using gnuplot. I then do the same thing with the waypoints. You can plot the track with dots and the waypoints with points, and get a nice map of where you've been, along with where your waypoints are located. I've kept a cumulative file of all my track data, and I've got a nice map of all my trips from the past year.

    Here are the scripts:
    Converting a track to x/y coordinates:
    #!/usr/bin/perl

    $filename = $ARGV[0];

    open (F, $filename) or die "bad filename - ARGH!";

    while ($line = ){
    $line =~s/T.....................//g;
    @coord = split /\t/, $line;
    chomp $coord[1];
    chomp $coord[0];
    print "$coord[1] $coord[0]\n";

    }
    close(F);

    Converting a waypoint file to x/y coordinates:
    #!/usr/bin/perl

    $filename = $ARGV[0];

    open (F, $filename) or die "bad filename - ARGH!";

    while ($line = ){
    $line =~ s/.*00:00.//g;
    @coord = split /\t/, $line;
    chomp $coord[1];
    chomp $coord[0];
    print "$coord[1] $coord[0]\n";

    }
    close(F);

  53. Re:Woud this let me track my cat's daily wandering by Winged+Cat · · Score: 1

    Possible...but moment-by-moment inaccuracy might make your cat seem far more active than he is. The distance from your front door to your back door might not seem like that much, but what if your cat were at the edge of the lawn and inaccuracies showed him darting all over the street? (More precisely, somewhere within a circle whose center darts all over the street, but which happens to contain that point on your lawn where he's napping or stalking a bird.) You couldn't be sure that was not what he was, in fact, doing...

  54. Re:Woud this let me track my cat's daily wandering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes they are: you can buy a GPS receiver the size of a digital watch, and provided that you counterbalance it properly, so that it doesn't slip to the underside of his/her neck, then that is perfectly feasable. And if you do so, we would very much like the data. Please provide a photo of the cat and some information about him/her and the circumtances of his/her escapade. hugh@gpsdrawing.com