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Citizen/IBM To Make A Linux Watch
backtick writes: " Yup, they're making the Watchpad.
'Besides telling time, the WatchPad comes with a calendar-scheduling application, a pager-like application for sending and receiving short messages, and a Bluetooth chip for wireless communication with notebooks, handheld computers and cell phones'" If they'll make a watch that runs Linux and takes pictures like Casio's camera watch, I might just switch back to a digital. Gerdts points out that the watch's battery life is either up to six hours, or only six hours, depending on how you look at it.
(sorry)
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
- Does it have a picture of Tux on the watchface?
- Imagine a beowulf cluster of these.
- [Insert "If MS made watches joke here]
"Enough of this wretched, whining monkey life." -- Marcus Aurelius, _Meditations_, Book 9, 37
If this device only has a battery life of 6 (or fewer hours) *I don't want it*. I expect my watch to continue telling time for serveral months without replacing the battery. I don't want another charger to clutter up my house either. (Let's see palm cradle, laptop cord & docking station, three cell phone chargers...Too many already).
Hell, I sleep with my watch on. If it's on the charger, I can't tell time.
Hmmmmm, maybe i'm just in a bad mood, but the geek factor doesn't overweigh the stupidity of this.
mr.
It is only the interface that has always bothered me with smaller and smaller computers. Has there been significant progress into wearable screens like the cool one in the commercial with the day-trader kid?
Once we have the interface down, things can be as small as we want.
Mattcelt
First, what's the point of a watch whose battery life is measured in hours, as opposed to months? It's nice as a concept toy, I guess.
Second, the fully loaded digital watch was all the rage back in the 80s (you kids may not remember that decade very clearly, so I'll let you know that those watches covered a substantial part of your wrist and then some and if you had the muscles to wear them for long you could probably get tennis arm...). It died out pretty quickly then, partly due to their weight, but also because it really isn't very convenient to handle lots of buttons or operations when 1 hand is incapacitated (the one the watch is on) and the other is busy activating the device....
So put a charger at the urinal! What is the problem. :)
Linux Devices has the prototype of this watch on their cool embedded linux devices list.
You can check out the link here..
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BTW: I reported on this three days ago, and the article was rejected.
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I would hope so.
That kind of battery life I would expect from another OS.
Sadly, the IBM page link is ead:
dead link -> http://www.research.ibm.com/MobileComputing/WatchP ad.html
But there is some info in this earlier Infoworld article:
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Don't fret the short battery life, folks. Any self-respecting geek is just going to strap an APC power supply to his ass and snake cabling down his shirtsleeve to run this.
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a pager-like application for sending and receiving short messages
I can't believe they only have three buttons on the thing and expect text to be entered. I thought for sure they would have something like the timex watches that has a ring that can easily be rotated to make selections or set the time, using only just one hand. When everyone is born with a stylus instead of an index finger, we'll talk about that option of a touch screen on this tiny thing. Most of the (older)people I work with have an extremely hard time using a regular PDA, you can forget about these things ever being more than a prototype or neat toy.
"Get them before they get....
The pros:
So, um, who would buy this, seriously?
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
Maybe these guys can get with Applied Digital to make the watch powered by a body heat battery.
Can you make one that's self-rewinding?
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I know that citizen watches use Eco-Drive technology...
From Citizenwatch.com ---
Citizen Eco-Drive watches use the simplest, yet most technically advanced power generating and storage system in the Watch Manufacturing Industry. A Solar Cell and a rechargeable battery are the power provider for these Quartz Watches. Eco-Drive's ability to use light from any source to generate electrical power means that the supply is limitless and free. The absence of any added complex power generating machinery that would require additional upkeep is another big advantage. ---
Including this type of technology might help to extend battery life. Recharge while in use during the day, drawing on the 6hr life at night.
OR--- Some type of kinetic energy transfer. Will add to the bulk, but this is in Dev as it is.
Just a thought---
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We were already down to 3! (Less if you used ELKS, I believe.) How much further did IBM take it?
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Anyone who's not getting excited about this has no imagination. Don't think of it as a PDA -- think of it as the first fully programmable watch! How many of you have seen the Casio filmwatches with little animations on them? As an animator I've always wanted to be able to program my own. Add bluetooth to the equation -- a hobbyist's dream. And a 1 GB Microdrive? ... It sounds wonderful.
Yes it will be cumbersome to wear. But this is a step in the right direction for a toy that is long overdue in my opinion. Now it needs a motion sensor and digital camera...
People looking for serious tools like PDAs should look elsewhere.... in the meantime, I'll be writing the code for an animated avatar who tells me the time, waves at me when I have an email, and gets jostled when I move my wrist quickly (to be implemented when that motion sensor gets included). Insert Alvin and the Chipmunks Christmas song... here.
The OS it runs comes about 93rd between whether it plays the Star Spangled banner and it's ability to float in orange juice.
Manufacturers who tout Linux as a PDA's main feature or expect the open source community to fix their crappy software may as well give up before they start. Geeks might care about such stuff but no one else does. Get the other stuff right and the fact it runs Linux is just icing on the cake.
Hopefully, the watch will have no buttons in the final version and all functions will be controlled via wireless access.
Well, maybe a password reset button on the watch would be good.
And then there's the bad geeks. The ones that give the rest of us a bad name. They don't bathe often enough, they wear thick glasses (when thin ones would do), they have pocket protectors, and they wear big honkin' Dick Tracy watches on their wrist.
Egads!
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
You wouldn't need to 'switch to digital'... as far as I know, one of the only applications they have on the watch is Xclock in analog mode.
If IBM has a hand in this, why not rig this thing up with ViaVoice? Imagine the possibilities!
Me: KITT! Get me outta here!
KITT: Yes Michael *wooh-wooh*.
KITT Turbo-boosts into room and slides up beside me.
Me: Thanks buddy.
Let's not forget:
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i use analog.
why?
- thinner
- lighter
- looks more professional in my white collar job
- can find north when the sun is shining
- i like the ticking sound (it's a primitive instinctive thing harking back to my first nine months of life)
- metal wrist bands fit much better and last longer (why are adult male plastic watch bands sized for kids? is an eight-inch wrist really that abnormal?)
- like telling time in terms of neareast quarter hour compared to the 80s/90s to-the-minute. i'm older now, and enjoying the here and now more.
when commercials come on, i mute. after a period of time passes, i unmute. if i miss a song, it's not a big deal. between cummulus and clear channel owning my town's RF, i'll be sure to hear the same songs all bloody day long. god to have an AOR radio station like back in college.
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Even two hours of batter life doesn't seem that bad to me. I'm not always looking at my watch or using an application on my Visor, so why should the Linux watch be on all the time? I would lift up my wrist and press the button, and it's on. It could be like a dual purpose flashlight switch, which can either be on only when it is pressed, or flipped on by sliding it.
LS
There is a fine line between being a cultivated citizen and being someone else's crop. - A. J. Patrick Liszkie
The first watch was just a one-only prototype. This is the first we've seen of their plans for a production model.
Open mouth, insert foot.
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A smart watch has been a technological dream since the days when Dick Tracy battled Pruneface in the Great Depression
Great. Now we have something to battle Ballmer with during the tech slump.
[NOT]
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Can you make one that's self-rewinding?
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I can just picture the next time you go to a bar. You'll be able to tell all the Linux Geeks - they'll be the ones shaking their wrists all the time
--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT MASTURBATION PRODUCED ENERGY. I am appauled that you would poke fun at a renewable and non-pollutant energy source. I myself have since childhood spent countless hours researching and experimenting with this technology. I have found it to be a rewarding and enjoyable process.
I am currently researching the use of ejaculate as a paste for magazine paper.
Good point. The type of person who would buy this "watch" wouldn't have much trouble recharging it through kinetic means.
It's now:
GNU/Citizen and GNU/IBM to make a GNU/Linux GNU/Watch
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It seems unfair to have so many negitive posts about this. The ./ posting for the original IBM Linux wristwatch was full of fervent assertions that the poster would buy one like a shot if IBM could just be persuaded to turn it into a product.
Well, now the guys at IBM have done there bit, possibly in part because of that ./ feedback, and they probably had to work hard to do so as it's not easy to get a product promoted from lab toy to product over at Big Blue.) So if you were one of posters who encouraged them by saying you'd buy one then maybe it's time to consider making good on your promise instead of whining about details of the design.
Having said that - and in direct contravention of the previous sentence - I'm assuming that they'll have the battery life up to something usable by the time it ships. (Say 24 hours or better along with a fast-charge cradle)
My top things:
scientific calculator: (for figuring the tip)
remote control (for TV and X10 modules)
IrDa link to PC for Time syncing to Atomic Time
List of important phone numbers/appointments
make Linux, not Microsoft. sin(beast) = -0.809016994374947424102293417182819
...all I wanted was the time!
Login: user
Password:
Linux Watch 2.4.11.
watch~$ date
Thu Oct 11 17:40:32 EDT 2001
watch~$ exit
Sorry, I don't have the physics/ee chops to seriously think about this, but couldn't you combine this watch with the kinetic battery seen in some watches, so maybe you can extend the life?
Or am I missing something?
ceci n'est pas un sig.
Just replace your battery every 6 hours and count the old ones in your pocket.
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Matsucom has been making a similar watch -- the "onhand" for some time now. Technologically, the ibm watch does a whole lot more, but if all you want is the ability to run your own programs on your wrist, it'll do.
Most important, the onhandpc has a free SDK. The specs: It has a 16-bit CPU (V20ish I think), running a dos look-alike. It has 128KB RAM, 512KB ROM, and 2MB FLASH. The display isn't nearly as nice as IBM's prototype OLED: 102x64 backlit STN LCD. But it does have IR and wired serial ports. The battery life is rated at 3 months (assuming display one hour per day). The big thing missing is the bluetooth. (Well, that and linux).
The nice part: Price = $300. But still (in my opinion) a toy. For more info, here's a nice review (from late '99).
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That watch looks like it was made by IBM. An RS/6000 is a nice looking box, but it makes an ugly wristwatch! I'd much rather that my watches were designed by Omega.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Would certainly help with the battery life eh?
Do not taunt Happy-Fun Ball
Renewable sure, but non-pollutant? Your floor says otherwise...
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-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
I can't wait for:
"To counter claims of their Linux wristwatch having only limited usefulness because of a 6 hour battery life, IBM today announced the shipping of a mains adapter for their wrist watch..."
Then they can do an IR mobility kit so you can access your watch remotely using a "wrist mounted X11 server".
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
As it's own FAQ points out.
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You know.. this is something funny. I love digital.. I love computers, electronics.. all that.
But one thing I really love is my watch. I only wish it was wind-up instead of electric.
It's one of those Navy-Seals Luminox dive watches.. with the tritium gas-lights. Very tough, very robust.. glows in the dark for 25 years.. and it's analog.. jewels and everything.
Geez, what's next? The SaniPad, a Linux-powered tampon/personal organizer that monitors your menstrual blood flow and tells you when it's time for your next pill?
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I always wanted a watch that reset itself to January 1, 1970.
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
Chick: Hey hot stuff what time is it?
./'er: (shaking) uhh, the time is eleven o'kernel panic...
(chick leaves)
This new IBM watch is very geeky, but too bloated and finally useless. Not only because you have to load it every 6 hours, but also because it looks very large for a watch.
Nice and useful watches were the Timex Datalink series. They have a light sensor so that you can program them just by lifting them in the front of your monitor (data is transmitted through blinking lines) . And yes, it works on Linux with Watchlink .
Program? Yes, Timex Datalink watches can be programmed in assembly language. There are a lot of applications for it, ranging from games to utilities to do golf scoring, as well as new watch features (better chronographs, multiple repetitive alarms, etc) . Of course you can also fully customize alarm melodies, and synchronize your appointements with Outlook or Ical.
Plus these watches are cheap.
Ehm... were cheap. Timex doesn't sell these good'ol 150 and 150s datalink watches any more. But some local vendors still have stock, so if you can get one, go, go, go!
Not only this is a geek watch, but it's also an useful watch. And it looks like an ordinary watch on your wrist, not like a PDA.
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This is ridiculous, every single post has been obsessed with the short battery life. First 'mobile' phone anyone? My first phone I had to recharge every day, my latest Sony phone can go a week between recharges. Hopefully fuel cell technology will mean more like a month between charging. Different technologies are developed on parallel paths, and the point of this watch was not to refine battery technology. This will be done by a different group. Just imagine what it will be like when the two are combined.
Phillip.
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And start thinking submerged intelligence. The point won't be to sit staring at your watch all day, but for the watch to have information about things you want to happen and to interact with the environment on your behalf to make it happen.
Think, for example,industrial applications.
Connectivity- Bluetooth. Now I'll just connect it to my bluetooth-enabled PalmPilot to input data more efficiently, and when I get home I'll compile a new linux app for it on my bluetooth-enabled PC...
I happen to know a manufacturer of pesticide sprayers (the kind that are mounted on trucks) who want to put bluetooth on his equipment. The ideal scenario is this: a bluetooth enabled GPS, bluetooth enabled truckmounted pesticide sprayer. The day's mission is downloaded onto the watch when the driver signs in in the morning. As he drives the watch uses the mission profile to turn the sprayer off when he approaches no-spray zone (e.g. the house with the asthmatic kid or the field where the beekeeper has his hives). At the end of the day the watch upload the GPS and device telemetry to the tracking database. That way, when the beekeeper sues you, you can produce GPS maps. In fact, the manufacturer of the software could even build a cryptographic signature into records indicating that a particular command was issued and responded to at a given time, and this could be transmitted wirelessly to a national data warehouse for pesticide usage telemetry. Something like this is not only desirable for environmental reasons, but also now because of the concern that this equipment could be used to spread aerosolized biological warfare agents.
Bits and pieces of mission tracking software have been created for aircraft systems, but they do not integrate very well and are expensive. Distributing intelligence throughout the system using prebuilt components (e.g. bluetooth chips, system software components) gives designers an additional degree of freedom, with which they can improve overall usability and flexibilty. The fact that the major components of integration (the bluetooth chip, the network protocols) are prebuilt, off the shelf, you also get more intelligence for less money.
This kind of system also simplifies the process of writing control software. Instead of writing in assembly or C, the designer could use a stripped down Apache with perl CGI scripts. This would allow them, in a sense, to use commodity programmers as well as commodity hardware.
Sure, it's a brick strapped to your wrist, but crank Moore's law three or four more times and it will start to look a lot more like a normal watch with reasonable. What I'd like to see in a few years is one of these with some kind of biometric recognition built in, say thumbrint recognition. You could then, for example, keep all your medical records with you at all times (assuming the battery problem is fixed, as it is certain to be within ten years or so), and authorize their release to your doctor with a thumbpress.
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Good lord - GIVE ME THAT DISPLAY! 640 pixels in less than an inch? It's a 736-DPI organic LED!
Can you imagine a 24" display at that dot resolution? That'd be roughly 14,000 by 10,000 (using a 3:4 aspect) - or, roughly enough to see the famous 9k by 9k WTC satellite photo and still have plenty of space to code and surf.
1. Remove strap.
2. Attatch larger battery.
3. Place in shirt pocket.
Tiny is nice. Think of all the places you could fit it. Remote control by ssh? If this is really hackable it will be fun.
More is better. Mass production will surely drive prices down later. More toys!
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Why all these negative posts? Compared to a kick me sign in one, fuck off!
This is a great new toy and the OS makes all the difference. It's tiny embeded controler with a nice screen and, hopefully, a hackable OS. If IBM uses GCC for it, it will be just awsome. Why would anyone want to develop for non free alternatives when they have something like that sitting around to exploit? Propriatory $DK goes in the garbage.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
choose 'notepad' (or 'vi') and you can write directly onto the watch. That'd be cool.
I don't even want to begin imagining what a pain in the ass using vi would be with pen-input !!! ESC-w-q-!, by the time I'm finished making all the penstrokes to save my file the damn battery would already have run out. Of course, the battery would have run out just launching emacs, but still...
The datalink was a great watch. I loved it when I got it. I never had a problem hold the watch to the monitor though. Put your elbow on the desk and you arm is steady. I did get the adaptor though to use with my laptop.
The closed API did suck. I would have loved to program my own wrist apps.
I just picked up a PC-Unite from Casio and it is pretty good so far. I like the fact that it syns up with the computer data. I stil lneed to get it to work with other applications then just the one it came with, but that doesn't look too hard.