afaik, only Picasa for linux is the wine crap. google desktop and earth are native ports. Earth already used QT on windows so the port was probably easier than Picasa.
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Let me know when those hotspots work on the Boston commuter rail. Until then, I'll trudge along with a cellular data card.
That dollar figure quote is totally bogus. Wired got that from the wikipedia article on Google, which had that exact number in its text around April 2005, when the Wired article was written. It was probably true at one time - like 2003 or so, when people were getting tons of stock options instead of expecting a high salary. Nowadays, Google sysadmins can easily be paid twice that amount, and that doesn't even necessarily include income from things like stock bonuses.
You (and most others here) are largely missing the point. Slack is not a replacement for apt or rpm. It's more comparable to something like cfengine, although it's only vaguely in the same universe because Slack is so much simpler. Here's what goes in a slack role:
a preinstall script
a set of files (config files, little scripts, etc)
a "fixfiles" script for setting permissions on the files before they're moved into place
a postinstall script
That's it. You don't tar it up, you don't make a package, you don't have to learn a special language to describe your changes, etc. Nothing fancy. I know those four items sound similar to what you can do with a package management system, and they are, but that's not what this is for. You don't put binaries (for example) in a Slack role - slack is for higher-level stuff like your customized config files. You *could* roll custom packages for your config files and whatnot, but that's a lot of work (relatively speaking).
Say I've got a slack role for my web server. In the preinstall script, I'd make sure the right packages are installed, so I'd do something like "apt-get install apache2". Then in the files section, I'd have etc/apache2/httpd.conf along with whatever other config files I use for my installation. In the postinstall script I could check to see if I've just installed new config files and restart apache if I have.
That's all there is to it - it's purposely extremely simple, to make it easier than just copying files from an existing server to a new one when you set one up. Laziness usually wins out (a law of human nature, not a statement about google sysadmins:-P), so if config management is too much work, it either has to be forced upon everybody or it won't be used. Additionally, since you don't do anything with the files and scripts you put in a slack role, you can trivially put your slack repository in Subversion or CVS or your revision control du jour, so getting people to use Slack has the nice side effect of also getting them to use revision control for their config files!
And yes, I use it on my personal server with two admins:-P
Ding! Correct. Googlers tend to use whatever tools are appropriate to get their job done. "Eating the dogfood" is cool and all, but nobody's forcing us to use Google Spreadsheets when Matlab is what's needed.
It's not the same thing. Google is paying people to develop OSS software _and contribute the changes back to the community_. I cannot say that Microsoft isn't doing the same thing in some cases (I have no idea, and I'm not trying to make any statement about Microsoft), but the comparison you make is not valid. MS paying a Windows OS developer to write Windows is not quite akin to Google paying Ben Goodger to develop Firefox, which results directly in code contribution to an open source project.
BTW, what has Google ever given back to the OSS community it depends on to supply Linux, MySQL, Python, etc.?
Does employing a huge number of prominent open-source developers count for anything? OSS coders gotta eat, you know. A partial list, off the top of my head: Guido Van Rossum (Mr. Python), the Gaim lead developer, the Camino lead developer, Spamassassin lead developer (I think; not sure), a bunch of Firefox developers... the list goes on. These people are paid to work on OSS projects and contribute code back to the community!
Do you know of any such trick (or where to find one) for a Chrysler nav system? I frequently find it super annoying that my passenger cannot work the nav system while I drive.
I think the point (though unsaid by chrisd) is that making PageRank truly open-source not be a good thing, for the stated reasons. If the code leaked once, it would be very much not good. However, if it was a one-time leak, Google could still change the algorithm a bit and keep it from being so easily exploited and so forth.
I've played SL on a mac mini (1.5ghz, 1GB ram), and it was pretty slow. Usable, I guess, but not really up to par. I was running it at 1600x1050, I think, with fairly low graphics settings. Just another data point.
Blastwave is decent. They try their best, and it makes for a useful system. However, I _still_ want Debian packaging on Solaris.
Really, what I want is Debian userland, with Solaris's volume manager and kernel (and libc and so forth), running on the various Sun hardware that I've acquired over the years. That would be totally awesome.
Well, try this: my desk. I have no idea if they give interns laptops or not, but those monitors are standard issue. The machine they are connected to is _nice_, make no mistake about it. Plentiful ghz, plentiful ram, plentiful disk:)
Lacking read/write replica support can be annoying at times, but the manual release of the read/write copy to the replicated ro clones can be damn handy. Think about it - you get a free builtin staging area for whatever data you are pushing out! I use it that way, at least, for staging new versions of websites and applications before "releasing" them to the replicated read-only sites that are visible to the world.
Man, if that's obsolete... How does a machine like that compare to PCs of today? As in raw processing or graphics processing. Just curious.
Well, it's not obsolete as in useless, but when you consider how BIG the thing is and how much it costs to run and maintain, it is. I'm not positive what speed the CPUs are in it, but let's just assume they are 250mhz R10000s. Even assuming perfectly linear SMP scaling, that's still only 3ghz of processing power. If you consider than an R10k is not nearly as fast per clock as modern stuff (i.e. Power5, Opteron, etc), it's less impressive still. In other words, an average Opteron workstation is probably faster than this Onyx2.
Case in point, the Cube, which is more or less the successor to the CAVE, is powered by a few commodity PCs with high-end video cards. It can also be connected to Cassatt to run CAVE applications.
In terms of graphics performance, the InfiniteReality2 is no slouch I suppose, but it is still outmoded by current PC graphics cards. Sorry I don't have better information on that, but I'm not really a graphics person.
btw, I realised that Cassatt has _three_ IR2 pipes, not two.
Didn't someone get Quake or Doom to run on a Cave system at some point. Something like 25fps or so?
Yes. The Quake II engine has been ported to the CAVE, so you can play Quake2 in there. It's pretty novel, but not really all that great. There is a Quake3 level viewer too, but the full game engine was never completed.
The hardware driving the cave, btw, is pretty insane. Also completely obsolete. "Cassatt" is an SGI Onyx2 "Reality Monster" with 12 CPUs and two InfiniteReality2 graphics pipes. It was truly wicked when it was first installed, but now it's getting a bit old.
I really don't know where that number comes from, but it just isn't accurate. At all. I've got several machines running Solaris 10, and most of them are under 1gb for the OS. If you avoid the compilers and other development tools, you can easily get it inside of 500mb. The "minimum install" is more like 175mb out-of-box, but that is quite bare-bones.
Why does Tiger absolutely need firewire ports anyway?
Nothing, really. It's just an arbitrary dividing line to decide where the oldest hardware they are going to officially supprt is. In 10.3, the requirement was "needs built-in USB", which excluded the Beige G3s and Wallstreet G3 laptops. People gnashed their teeth and so forth, and then admitted that those machines are pretty much obsolete. When 10.0 came out, the dividing line was "has to be a G3" (with the one exception of the "kanga" Powerbook G3 which was a piece of crap). 10.0 through 10.2 could actually run on most of the PCI powermacs such as the 7300, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600 with a little bit of coaxing. Would it have been reasonable for Apple to support those with the 10.0 release? Perhaps; a lot of people were still using those at the time. Would it be reasonable to expect the same support for those when 10.3 came out? 10.4? Where does one draw the line? When it comes down to it, it pretty much has to be arbitrary. At least they can achieve some simplicity by keying it to some feature that was introduced across-the-board at some point in time, such as USB and now Firewire.
Sun does the same sort of thing with Solaris, btw. Solaris 10 dropped support for anything that isn't 64bit clean - which includes all Ultra1s and many Ultra2 systems. People gnashed their teeth a bit and so forth, and got over it. Those machines are obsolete.
Older hardware lives on, of course, but it starts making less and less sense to use old Macs (and suns) as desktop computers. I still use Sun Ultra1 systems in several place - with solaris9 and OpenBSD. I also still use a Wallstreet G3, which won't even run MacOS 10.3. I think it's fine as it is. I'd rather Apple and Sun spend their efforts doing a better job on the whole OS rather than trying to support all hardware ever made until the dawn of time.
p.s. in thinking about it, IBM has done the same thing with AIX. AIX 5.2 and newer won't run on any hardware that isn't black. How arbitrary is that?
eg "man ps" says "-f" is a valid option, the command tells you otherwise.
Did you file a bug report? They really might not know about that.
As for NetInfo, yes, it is going away. I can't say how much of it will be in Tiger, but in Panther it's already mostly gone. It only exists for local accounts on a standalone system - the OpenDirectory infrastructure in 10.3 server is based on OpenLDAP and Kerberos, and the only reason NetInfo is around is for compatibility with MacOS 10.2 clients. If it's not needed, you turn it off and it goes away. It seems likely to me that it will stay mostly like that with the next release, since I have not heard about a new way of storing account info.
I really know nothing about changes to the automount system, other than that I know there are changes. It will probably be somewhat less awkward, but still not the same as what you're accustomed to on your Linux boxes. I doubt you'd actually want that, anyway.
So I believe the 15th as release date is very improbable (by Zarquon), maybe June 6th at WWDC?
So here's something I don't get. I just got email from Apple about WWDC, and one of the options you can buy is a "Tiger Early Start Kit", for several hundred dollars more than the normal attendance fee. Does this imply that Tiger still won't be released by then? I certainly hope that it comes out by the end of April, but I agree that it's starting to look like WWDC is more likely.
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afaik, only Picasa for linux is the wine crap. google desktop and earth are native ports. Earth already used QT on windows so the port was probably easier than Picasa.
Let me know when those hotspots work on the Boston commuter rail. Until then, I'll trudge along with a cellular data card.
That dollar figure quote is totally bogus. Wired got that from the wikipedia article on Google, which had that exact number in its text around April 2005, when the Wired article was written. It was probably true at one time - like 2003 or so, when people were getting tons of stock options instead of expecting a high salary. Nowadays, Google sysadmins can easily be paid twice that amount, and that doesn't even necessarily include income from things like stock bonuses.
Regarding "Shared Calendar Resources":
Think "meeting rooms". Also possibly applicable to things like video projectors that can be checked out for temporary use.
Oh, I missed that. Why not then just print the code on the TP?
*laf* Awesome. I don't think wiping your ass on the tutorial is the intended purpose, though :)
Dude. There's no keyboards in the bathrooms. It's 8.5"x11" posters on the walls where you can read them while you *ahem* use the facilities.
You (and most others here) are largely missing the point. Slack is not a replacement for apt or rpm. It's more comparable to something like cfengine, although it's only vaguely in the same universe because Slack is so much simpler. Here's what goes in a slack role:
That's it. You don't tar it up, you don't make a package, you don't have to learn a special language to describe your changes, etc. Nothing fancy. I know those four items sound similar to what you can do with a package management system, and they are, but that's not what this is for. You don't put binaries (for example) in a Slack role - slack is for higher-level stuff like your customized config files. You *could* roll custom packages for your config files and whatnot, but that's a lot of work (relatively speaking).
Say I've got a slack role for my web server. In the preinstall script, I'd make sure the right packages are installed, so I'd do something like "apt-get install apache2". Then in the files section, I'd have etc/apache2/httpd.conf along with whatever other config files I use for my installation. In the postinstall script I could check to see if I've just installed new config files and restart apache if I have.
That's all there is to it - it's purposely extremely simple, to make it easier than just copying files from an existing server to a new one when you set one up. Laziness usually wins out (a law of human nature, not a statement about google sysadmins :-P), so if config management is too much work, it either has to be forced upon everybody or it won't be used. Additionally, since you don't do anything with the files and scripts you put in a slack role, you can trivially put your slack repository in Subversion or CVS or your revision control du jour, so getting people to use Slack has the nice side effect of also getting them to use revision control for their config files!
And yes, I use it on my personal server with two admins :-P
Before anybody says "Hey! Where's the source?!", let me just provide a link right now:
http://www.sundell.net/~alan/projects/slack/
Do me a favor and don't destroy sundell's server, or he's likely to hurt me :-P
He didn't say they use the tool exclusively.
Ding! Correct. Googlers tend to use whatever tools are appropriate to get their job done. "Eating the dogfood" is cool and all, but nobody's forcing us to use Google Spreadsheets when Matlab is what's needed.
- benley, a random googlerIt's not the same thing. Google is paying people to develop OSS software _and contribute the changes back to the community_. I cannot say that Microsoft isn't doing the same thing in some cases (I have no idea, and I'm not trying to make any statement about Microsoft), but the comparison you make is not valid. MS paying a Windows OS developer to write Windows is not quite akin to Google paying Ben Goodger to develop Firefox, which results directly in code contribution to an open source project.
BTW, what has Google ever given back to the OSS community it depends on to supply Linux, MySQL, Python, etc.?
Does employing a huge number of prominent open-source developers count for anything? OSS coders gotta eat, you know. A partial list, off the top of my head: Guido Van Rossum (Mr. Python), the Gaim lead developer, the Camino lead developer, Spamassassin lead developer (I think; not sure), a bunch of Firefox developers ... the list goes on. These people are paid to work on OSS projects and contribute code back to the community!
Do you know of any such trick (or where to find one) for a Chrysler nav system? I frequently find it super annoying that my passenger cannot work the nav system while I drive.
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Wouldn't that be a "frost pist" then, not a "frist post"? ;-)
I think the point (though unsaid by chrisd) is that making PageRank truly open-source not be a good thing, for the stated reasons. If the code leaked once, it would be very much not good. However, if it was a one-time leak, Google could still change the algorithm a bit and keep it from being so easily exploited and so forth.
I've played SL on a mac mini (1.5ghz, 1GB ram), and it was pretty slow. Usable, I guess, but not really up to par. I was running it at 1600x1050, I think, with fairly low graphics settings. Just another data point.
Blastwave is decent. They try their best, and it makes for a useful system. However, I _still_ want Debian packaging on Solaris.
Really, what I want is Debian userland, with Solaris's volume manager and kernel (and libc and so forth), running on the various Sun hardware that I've acquired over the years. That would be totally awesome.
Dare I ask where you see this supposed bottle of KY? It doesn't exist.
The hammer is for threatening mail servers and other pieces of troublesome equipment, of course.
Well, try this: my desk. I have no idea if they give interns laptops or not, but those monitors are standard issue. The machine they are connected to is _nice_, make no mistake about it. Plentiful ghz, plentiful ram, plentiful disk :)
Lacking read/write replica support can be annoying at times, but the manual release of the read/write copy to the replicated ro clones can be damn handy. Think about it - you get a free builtin staging area for whatever data you are pushing out! I use it that way, at least, for staging new versions of websites and applications before "releasing" them to the replicated read-only sites that are visible to the world.
Well, it's not obsolete as in useless, but when you consider how BIG the thing is and how much it costs to run and maintain, it is. I'm not positive what speed the CPUs are in it, but let's just assume they are 250mhz R10000s. Even assuming perfectly linear SMP scaling, that's still only 3ghz of processing power. If you consider than an R10k is not nearly as fast per clock as modern stuff (i.e. Power5, Opteron, etc), it's less impressive still. In other words, an average Opteron workstation is probably faster than this Onyx2.
Case in point, the Cube, which is more or less the successor to the CAVE, is powered by a few commodity PCs with high-end video cards. It can also be connected to Cassatt to run CAVE applications.
In terms of graphics performance, the InfiniteReality2 is no slouch I suppose, but it is still outmoded by current PC graphics cards. Sorry I don't have better information on that, but I'm not really a graphics person.
btw, I realised that Cassatt has _three_ IR2 pipes, not two.
Yes. The Quake II engine has been ported to the CAVE, so you can play Quake2 in there. It's pretty novel, but not really all that great. There is a Quake3 level viewer too, but the full game engine was never completed.
The hardware driving the cave, btw, is pretty insane. Also completely obsolete. "Cassatt" is an SGI Onyx2 "Reality Monster" with 12 CPUs and two InfiniteReality2 graphics pipes. It was truly wicked when it was first installed, but now it's getting a bit old.
I really don't know where that number comes from, but it just isn't accurate. At all. I've got several machines running Solaris 10, and most of them are under 1gb for the OS. If you avoid the compilers and other development tools, you can easily get it inside of 500mb. The "minimum install" is more like 175mb out-of-box, but that is quite bare-bones.
Nothing, really. It's just an arbitrary dividing line to decide where the oldest hardware they are going to officially supprt is. In 10.3, the requirement was "needs built-in USB", which excluded the Beige G3s and Wallstreet G3 laptops. People gnashed their teeth and so forth, and then admitted that those machines are pretty much obsolete. When 10.0 came out, the dividing line was "has to be a G3" (with the one exception of the "kanga" Powerbook G3 which was a piece of crap). 10.0 through 10.2 could actually run on most of the PCI powermacs such as the 7300, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600 with a little bit of coaxing. Would it have been reasonable for Apple to support those with the 10.0 release? Perhaps; a lot of people were still using those at the time. Would it be reasonable to expect the same support for those when 10.3 came out? 10.4? Where does one draw the line? When it comes down to it, it pretty much has to be arbitrary. At least they can achieve some simplicity by keying it to some feature that was introduced across-the-board at some point in time, such as USB and now Firewire.
Sun does the same sort of thing with Solaris, btw. Solaris 10 dropped support for anything that isn't 64bit clean - which includes all Ultra1s and many Ultra2 systems. People gnashed their teeth a bit and so forth, and got over it. Those machines are obsolete.
Older hardware lives on, of course, but it starts making less and less sense to use old Macs (and suns) as desktop computers. I still use Sun Ultra1 systems in several place - with solaris9 and OpenBSD. I also still use a Wallstreet G3, which won't even run MacOS 10.3. I think it's fine as it is. I'd rather Apple and Sun spend their efforts doing a better job on the whole OS rather than trying to support all hardware ever made until the dawn of time.
p.s. in thinking about it, IBM has done the same thing with AIX. AIX 5.2 and newer won't run on any hardware that isn't black. How arbitrary is that?
Did you file a bug report? They really might not know about that.
As for NetInfo, yes, it is going away. I can't say how much of it will be in Tiger, but in Panther it's already mostly gone. It only exists for local accounts on a standalone system - the OpenDirectory infrastructure in 10.3 server is based on OpenLDAP and Kerberos, and the only reason NetInfo is around is for compatibility with MacOS 10.2 clients. If it's not needed, you turn it off and it goes away. It seems likely to me that it will stay mostly like that with the next release, since I have not heard about a new way of storing account info.
I really know nothing about changes to the automount system, other than that I know there are changes. It will probably be somewhat less awkward, but still not the same as what you're accustomed to on your Linux boxes. I doubt you'd actually want that, anyway.
So here's something I don't get. I just got email from Apple about WWDC, and one of the options you can buy is a "Tiger Early Start Kit", for several hundred dollars more than the normal attendance fee. Does this imply that Tiger still won't be released by then? I certainly hope that it comes out by the end of April, but I agree that it's starting to look like WWDC is more likely.