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agotneja writes: "Check out mozilla.org for details :) Another fine (hopefully!) release." For whatever reason, 1.0 still seems really far off.
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... until people start feeling grateful for 0.9.5 ;)
.9.5 now, but .9.4 is sweet.
Or call it "one point oh beta minus initial release testing phase DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON use at own risk edition, AKA 'only 4 more points'"
At any rate, I'll grab
Tim
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Changelog:
* The History and Mail&News applications now allow you to reorder columns with drag and drop. For instance, if you prefer to have the date listed first in your mail thread pane, drag the Date header onto the Subject header and the Date column will move to the first position.
* Warnings in the JavaScript console now show the text of the offending line.
* Venkman, the JavaScript Debugger is now available in complete installer builds. Remember to choose 'complete' install, instead of 'typical'. Start the debugger under the Tasks/Tools menu or from the command line with mozilla -venkman.
* Mozilla has a new experimental Tabbed Browsing feature. Press Ctrl+T to open a new tab. (Bug 101973.)
* People who like tabbed browsing may also like the mozilla gestures add-on, Optimoz now available at mozdev.org.
* SOCKS proxies (both v4 and v5) can now be used with all protocols (Bug 89500) except MailNews. Using socks with MailNews is covered by bug 44995.
* Mozilla has a new Site Navigation Bar for navigating sites that use the element (like Bugzilla buglists.) Choose the menu item View | Show/Hide | Site Navigation bar | Show As Only Needed to make the toolbar show up automatically when you visit pages that use the element.
* The View Source window now has a context menu with items for Find, Copy, and Select.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
just a heads up for anyone else out there letting OS X monopolize their time like i have been. omniweb is nice, but so unfinished it makes mozilla look like oracle, Opera beta 5.0 b1.327 rocks very hard, but is just a weeeee too scandi-alien for my tastes - oh and it quits at the first sign of trick xml.
(yeah IE 5.1 is rock solid... but it makes me feel so dirty...)
What I like best about Moz 0.9.5 is its better support for the tag. It's really about time the more browsers started to actively support this tag considering its great utility and vintage.
I don't like trolls and mod against me if you like, but I'd prefer if you'd reply.
Not meaning to attack you personally, but I had to voice my opinion on some of your ideas, so don't get offended by what I say.
Sigmenation fault.
The first thing you should do is pull down the source and reconfigure and build with --disable-debug "--enable-optimizations=-O4 -finline -fno-omit-frame-pointer -march=pentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro" in addition to what ever components you want.
You would n't believe how much more snappier it makes mozilla run, for example the java sdk framed docs index pages goes down from 2.5sec to 1.5sec's on my athlon 850.
Also add this line to your prefs.js file:
user_pref("nglayout.debug.disable_xul_cache", false);
This speeds up loading time by using the pre-compiled versions of the javascript controls.
Please note that political arguments about open-source software are not what I'm looking for. The typical Windows user isn't going to listen to this.
What about features, speed, reliability, etc.? The things that I could tell users.
For all of you using the new tabbed interface of mozilla, its just a simple copy of what the multizilla guys did
[http://multizilla.mozdev.org/] This is a much better interface with many many more features. Give it a try, and report those bugs.
The goal of computer science is to build something that will last at least until we've finished building it.
I know this sounds pretty stupid, but one thing that I like about IE is the google search toolbar you can add. Is there a way to have this in Mozilla?
Why is it that people always forget the Konqueror?
I don't think they do. Konqueror is my preferred browser by far. It's not perfect, there are areas where it needs a little work (Javascript and Netscape plugin handling for instance) but the overall feel of the browser UI and rendering engine is unmatched. It's quick, full of useful features, relatively light on resources and renders well. In short, everything I want out of a web browser.
There are a few reasons people have stopped making much noise over Konqueror recently:
I think that the 'battle' between Konqueror and Mozilla to be the most successful *nix browser is a little like the 1970's 'battle' between UNIX and Lisp machines. Lisp machines (perhaps like Mozilla) were designed by people whose emphasis was on the 'right way' and completeness above all else. If that meant a very large and complex system, then so be it. UNIX (perhaps a bit like Konqueror) was designed by people whose emphasis was on the 'right way' and completeness but ABSOLUTELY NOT at the expense of simplicity.
We all know now who won that 'battle'.
There's more about this subtle difference in design philosophy here. Yes, notice where this is hosted - Jamie Zawinski's site. Ironic? Perhaps not, given jwz's resignation from Netscape and Mozilla. You be the judge.
Most Windows users use AOL, ICQ, and Winamp, these tools should all be intergrated into a package.
I dont mean crappy intergration like what was done with Netscape 6 either.
I mean GOOD intergration, example, you have a feature where you go to a website and you see all the other AOL and ICQ users on the site and can even initiate a group chat with them.
Imagine going to slashdot with this feature and getting into a debate with serveral people, pushing a button and ICQ chat opens up and all of the people are now in an ICQ chat with you where you can continue your debate.
Also Imagine the file sharing possibilities, of going to a site and deciding to send files to people on the site via ICQ in annonymous fashion.
Imagine embeded winamp to play your mp3s as they download similar to how quicktime works.
Imagine AOL instant messager people and ICQ people all being able to communicate via the MOzilla instant messager, which basically connects to both, all your important windows tools on one menu, Mozilla.
This is how Microsoft beat Netscape, and its how Mozilla should beat IE.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
If you can't seem to get the Java plugin to work, please read the instructions in the release notes:a
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.5/#jav
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
Think about the effects that pre-caching will have. Take September 11, for example. People could barely get to the major news sites, because of all the traffic. If every person who got through to the news sites had then tried to download every single link on the front page, the bandwidth requirements would have increased enormously for each user. Although the users who actually do get in and can successfully cache the site will perceive it as being faster, their multiple connections will cause maybe 50 people to be locked out of the site for every one who gets in. Precaching is really unnecessary, harmful, and even rude to the server operators.
Yes! That guy!
Seems like OS X is constantly a late release, if it gets released at all.
:-) Part of the reason is that it requires an experimental, pre-release version of Apple's gcc-based compiler.
That's because there are about five people on the planet capable of building Mozilla for OS X, and they are all very busy
Gerv
Does Mozilla include SSL
Yes, and TLS. And it has done so for months. The only time you don't get it is if you are silly enough to uncheck it in the installer.
Gerv
Heard of the GPL?
;-)
Sure I have. What's that got to do with Mozilla?
Until the relicensing is finished, Mozilla is effectively under only the MPL.
Gerv
Starting with release 0.9.4, I have been using Mozilla exclusively, both on my Windows and on my Linux PPC machine, without even knowing it! I mean ... originally I used to come across sites that had problems with mozilla and had to use IE or Opera, but now, without even realizing it, mozilla has become my default browser of choice.
... with 0.9.5 tabbed windows! It just keeps getting better and better.
...'. Mozilla 0.9.5 proves them wrong.
I suspect it has something to do with the 'Quick Launch' feature. Without this feature enabled, I had to wait almost 10-15 seconds before mozilla even started up, while IE almost loaded instantly. And I was unwilling to leave mozilla running all the time since it was such a memory hog. But with the 'Quick Launch' feature, I am pleased to say that mozilla loads as fast as IE on my machine and works better too! Plus, I don't have to keep mozilla running all the time.
I love certain features, e.g. being able to turn off those annoying javascript popup windows, and now
I definitely have to disagree with people who claim 'There is no such thing as a free lunch
Can't we geeks have at least ONE fucking browser for ourselves?
What you mean is: "Waah! Why won't someone write the browser _I_ want?"
You're a geek. Go do a Mozilla distribution for geeks. Add in all the patches like gestures and PGP. Do a new, cool skin. People will love it. That's what the code is for. mozilla.org wants to see that happen.
Or quit whining.
Gerv
Mozilla is being built as a successor to Netscape Communicator, and so includes a bunch of tools to take advantage of a variety of open Internet standards, including POP,IMAP,NNTP,LDAP, and IRC. Mozilla also includes a web page editor (Composer) which can be used to create mail and news posts as well as web pages, if you're into that kinky HTML stuff. This makes Mozilla vulnerable to the (misleading) bloat charge, for those who don't like flexible tools, but it also gives you a one-stop tool that can take you all over USENET as well as the web.
One of the most important benefits that I can see on Windows is that Mozilla comes with support for using Sun's recent, vastly improved, Java VM's integrated into the browser. Yes, people can write HTML for Java applets that will work on IE and Netscape 4.x using the Java plug-in, but Mozilla automatically uses the Java plug-in for all Java code, with significant benefits in performance and stability. If you have any use for Java in your browser, Mozilla will support things better.
There's also things like themeing, the sidebar, the improved cookie management, and the lack of operating system exploits that IE and Outlook seem to continually fall prey to.
- jon
Ganymede, a GPL'ed metadirectory for UNIX
Let me know when it compiles out of the box on OpenBSD then I'll believe that it isn't a horrible product.
Not very portable? Consider the large numbers of basic architectural differences among Unix/X, Windows, MacOS, MacOS X, BeOS, and OS/2, and the fact that it compiles out of the box for all of them.
0.9.4 had released versions for Win32, Mac Classic, MacOS X, Linux, AIX, BeOS, Irix, OpenVMS, OS/2, HPUX, FreeBSD, NetBSD, BSD/OS, Solaris, and Tru64 Unix. That's fifteen operating systems, including multiple BSD variants.
The reason it isn't around for OpenBSD is that no OpenBSD person or group has bothered to get involved with Mozilla. That's fine, but it isn't a defect of Mozilla.
I've been using it for 304 hours now, as close I can tell.
;-)
Dude, do me a favour. Before you update your build, find some way of crashing it, OK? Then send in the Talkback data. That way, our recorded MTBF goes up.
Gerv
> Please, be more specific on what is missing from
> Konqueror.
Decent support for the W3C DOM. Decent XML support. Good CSS2 support.
It renders brain-dead sites fine. It does not render sites using current technology fine.
But, of course, Opera could never be bloatware. And it isn't. On Linux, where it doesn't have half the features and doesn't display anywhere near as well as the Windows client.
Opera is one of my primary browsers on Windows and Linux. I use it all the time. But please do not try to pass off that if you want "just a browser" you should be using Opera.
Oh, and why is it that nobody seems to include the concept of a Custom Install? I can get "just a browser" with IE and Mozilla that way.
I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
Is it possible that they could make it all the way to 1.0 without a simple spell check feature?
Perfectly possible, and extremely likely.
surely there must be open source dictionaries they could implement?
Probably. The trick is finding someone to do the implementing.
Can't they use netscape 4.x's dictionary?
No. It's proprietary.
I'm too ashamed to recommend Mozilla to my friends
...because you know they can't spell?
Gerv
You can always take it out of your personal copy of html.css. Open up the jar files in your Mozilla install using some Zip tool until you find it. Edit the file in-place (decent zip tools can do that) to remove the part that references blink.
Gerv