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Nautilus 1.0.5 Release

mz001b writes: "Proof that just because a company goes out of business does not mean that their open source software goes with them -- Nautilus 1.0.5 has been release. See the LinuxToday notice."

223 comments

  1. great! by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1, Funny

    just let me run out and get an extra terabyte of ram or so, so I can use it! GMC still works just damn fine.

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    1. Re:great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just use konqueror.

      it seems to fill the middle ground between gmc (too few features), and nautilus (bloat, too slow).

    2. Re:great! by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

      konqerer(sp?) is great, but using KDE bloats things just a wee bit too much. I run the standard gnome/sawfish on my redhat install, and didn't even bother to install any kde/qt stuff, and it's been just fine. Nautilus did do a great job of showing what adding useless "features" does to stuff. I never in my day to day activities find myself thinking "hey, my filemanager opened in less than 3 seconds. there must be something wrong..."

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    3. Re:great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SCHecklerX, posting anonymously b/c slashdot's code is fscked.

      Anyway...

      http://rox.sourceforge.net/

      Enough Said.

    4. Re:great! by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      whoa...I can post again.

      Anyway...

      http://rox.sourceforge.net/

      Enough said.

    5. Re:great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to not bother to install KDE/Qt too, but having used KDE in the last few months, when I've switched to _anything_ else, I've just felt.. like it was wrong in some way. I think the best thing that's going for KDE is moderation. It doesn't have the bloat/performance issues of GNOME 1.4 and has more features than GNOME 1.2. That's why I use it.

    6. Re:great! by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 0, Troll

      Who in god's sweet name modded me up as informative?

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    7. Re:great! by WWWWolf · · Score: 1
      just let me run out and get an extra terabyte of ram or so, so I can use it! GMC still works just damn fine.

      So does Gentoo, but I thought command line was the ultimate solution...

      Anyway, I'm running X11 with WindowMaker, Nautilus, Mozilla and XEmacs just fine all the time and I still have a couple of megabytes of physical memory left! And it runs really smoothly! Cool, huh?

      ...but note that this is a P!!!-600MHz with 256 megs memory. Yep, if my old P166 would have any disk space left I would be really eager to install Nautilus there and see it crawl =)

    8. Re:great! by Dashslot · · Score: 1

      Rox is great. So refreshing to use a filemanager that doesn't have its own HTML renderer. As a result (probably of more things than just that, I suppose) Rox flies.

  2. Hmm... A "Start button" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will Linux users be able to figure that out?

    They were very confused when Microsoft introduced that feature 6 years ago!

    1. Re:Hmm... A "Start button" by guuyuk · · Score: 1
      Only that the first thing you get on the "Start" button is to shut down the system.


      (yes, it's a flaming troll... live with it)

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    2. Re:Hmm... A "Start button" by drsoran · · Score: 1

      The first thing on my Start menu is "Windows Update". Equally ironic and you can be damned sure you better use it asap. :-)

    3. Re:Hmm... A "Start button" by guuyuk · · Score: 1
      Only if you don't have the task bar at the bottom of the screen. It's amazing that most people who use MS Windows don't know that you can move it around. (For those of you who don't subject yourselves to MS Windows 9x/NT4.0+, the first thing your mouse moves over when you click on the "Start" button when the taskbar is at the bottom of the screen (default position) is the shutdown command.)

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  3. Try editing your MIME settings.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 trashed the GMC MIME setting editor. Why would I use GMC? Could it be that Nautilus makes a 1.3GHz Athlon with 512MB of DDR act like a 486 running Windows 2000 professional with 4MB of RAM?

    Sure it's purty, but GEEEAWD is it slow.

  4. that's the truth brother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    damn I have 384mb of ram and a Pentium II 450 and it kills my streaming internet radio download speed, slows the system to a crawl, and this is in GNOME. With KDE it's like a faster Windows 2000. Damn ram is cheap though, too bad computer chips are still under 10,000GHZ or I would download this program right away.

  5. Perhaps I'll actually be able to run it now by uchian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Being a KDE fan, I don't use Gnome, but I check up on it every so often to see if it's reached a state where I might convert - not because I don't like KDE, just that I like to keep my options open and use the desktop which best suits me.

    Trouble is, the last couple of times I tried to run Gnome, Nautilus would appear to lock up completely for 30+ seconds at a time.

    I don't know why and haven't been interested enough in Gnome to find out why yet. I'll probably give it another try now though, see if it works yet.

    1. Re:Perhaps I'll actually be able to run it now by Minstrel78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is because it's trying to use ESD (esound), which is not configured properly, yet is set to run in the Gnome Control Panel.

      Either make esd work right or disable it and nautilus will become very responsive.

      I'm tracking debian unstable and i've found it to be acceptibly fast for everyday use on my rather average machine (p3/450) and it has a whole bunch of neat features that I keep discovering :)

    2. Re:Perhaps I'll actually be able to run it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that this is pretty much a troll because Nautilus is MUCH SLOWER than Windows Explorer on my Athlon 1.33ghz.

    3. Re:Perhaps I'll actually be able to run it now by fferreres · · Score: 1

      What for? You definetly DONT need Nautilus on Gnome. I don't use it / miss it. I don't even use gmc an i am an ex=microsoft zealot troll... :)

      Federico

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    4. Re:Perhaps I'll actually be able to run it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe you're the troll. Nautilus performs acceptably on my PII-300.

    5. Re:Perhaps I'll actually be able to run it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't on my Athlon 1.33ghz. Windows Explorer shows large directories with previews instantenously. Konqueror takes a little while, but Nautilus is by far the slowest. No way I would use it in my day to day graphics server work (this is with scsi too!)

  6. changes by nzhavok · · Score: 5, Informative

    A full list of changes can be found here

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    1. Re:changes by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Some of the changes appear to allow KDE users the option to run Nautilus. My question is why? Why would a KDE user use Nautilus instead of Konqueror?

      I'm serious here. I've never used Nautilus. What features does it have that Konqueror doesn't? How do they compare in speed now that all these optimizations have been made?

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    2. Re:changes by fault0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not exactly sure *why*, but here is what I think about both of them (at the risk of turning this into ANOTHER KDE vs. GNOME post):

      features-> konqueror is a bit better, it has some neat features such the embedded terminal frame. Although Nautilus can be used as a web browser, I think that Konqueror does a much better job at it. Also, Konqueror thumbnails more filetypes, afaik, and has a customizable toolbar. I think that the only (relativly) minor features that Nautilus has and Konqueror doesn't is the labeling of files (I don't use that feature), and the zooming of views up to 400% (of course, no one in their right mind would use that).

      speed-> konqueror wins against Nautilus 1.0.4, hopefully this new release will have speed improvements (from what I hear, it doesn't). Comparing

      eye candy-> I think nautilus wins slightly here. Konqueror 2.2.1 really caught up, but there are small pieces of eye candy missing such as the neat (but slow) selection of Nautilus, and imho, the border in image previews in Nautilus looks nicer than in Konqueror. Perhaps the Konqueror developers can do something like that? (If it decreases performance in any way, DON'T).

      So, IMHO, if you are using KDE, use Konqueror. If you are using GNOME, use Nautilus (or GMC).

    3. Re:changes by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Why would a MS Windows user use Netscape/Opera instead of MSIE?

    4. Re:changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opera? some people like it's interface, and some of it's neat features (gesture control!)

      netscape/mozilla? no clue why someone would use it over IE. Anyone care to enlighten me?

    5. Re:changes by YellowBook · · Score: 5, Informative
      Some of the changes appear to allow KDE users the option to run Nautilus. My question is why? Why would a KDE user use Nautilus instead of Konqueror?

      I'm not sure why a KDE user would use Nautilus instead of Konqueror (though perhaps they might just like it)? But my guess is that these changes in Nautilus weren't so much because they really thought a bunch of KDE users would want to run it, but for standards compliance. KDE and GNOME are supposed to meet certain standards for compatability; most of the KDE-related changes in Nautilus seem to be in order to meet these, especially the extended window manager hints spec.

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    6. Re:changes by fault0 · · Score: 1

      1. Nah, Konqueror is much faster. I think the general impression among the community is this too. Just look at some of the threads here and in every story covering Nautilus, for example.

      2. Terminal in a frame is very useful. Can't do a operation using the file manager? Just press a key to show a terminal frame and type it in! Really fast and efficient.

      3. I think that Konqueror as a web browser is one of best features that it has. In modern GUI desktops, this integration is very important. Nautilus is missing it.

      4. Actually, it does. It thumbnails things like .html pages, which is very useful.

    7. Re:changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Nah, Konqueror is much faster. I think the general impression among the community is this too. Just look at some of the threads here and in every story covering Nautilus, for example.

      You're judging the speeds based on a slashdot thread? You do realise that any GNOME story is packed full of stupid KDE trolls telling lies?

      I've installed both on a 333mhz 192mb RAM - there is little or no difference.

      2. Terminal in a frame is very useful. Can't do a operation using the file manager? Just press a key to show a terminal frame and type it in! Really fast and efficient.

      And that's different from opening a terminal window, how exactly (say using Natilus scripts)? It's not, it's just stupid, pointless and limiting. A gimmick. Something for KDE trolls to get all hot and bothered over.

      3. I think that Konqueror as a web browser is one of best features that it has. In modern GUI desktops, this integration is very important. Nautilus is missing it.

      Everybody I've ever seen use a PC starts a web browser. The idea that it must be mixed with a file manager is bullshit, pure and simple. As for this "modern GUI"... fuck you. If you define modern as Microsoft, then fine - though most people would view that as some kind of sick joke.

    8. Re:changes by Glytch · · Score: 3

      Because when Opera crashes, it doesn't take down the whole fucking OS with it. Good enough answer?

    9. Re:changes by fault0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. No, I'm not judging based upon slashdot people's comments. It's really a shame that this discussion has become a huge KDE versus GNOME shouting match. I've also installed both on my Athlon 750mhz, and Konqueror seems to load directories much, much faster (and general response of file operations seems to be faster too, such as selecting a bunch of files).

      2. It _is_ different. Doing things from the same app is a very nice feature and helps efficiency.

      3. I hate to point it out, but browser integration was probably one of the best (and first) innovations that Microsoft really did. Others had the idea to do this before Microsoft did (like Apple with OpenDoc and Cyberdog), but Microsoft was the first to really implement it well. Either way, it really has caught on. As the market share of Netscape went down, this has become a more and more important feature in modern environments. Gradually, "applications" are becoming less important, and what you do with them (the idea of the "document"), is becoming more important. The computer, after all, is a tool. Thus, intregration is best. All in all, taking the best ideas from different operating systems is very good, and I'm disappointed that Eazel chose not to implement this in Nautilus!

    10. Re:changes by redtux · · Score: 1, Informative

      Nautilus since about 1.03 (which should have been 1) has been pretty quick excluding web

      Smart cookies just use galeon for the web

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    11. Re:changes by fault0 · · Score: 1

      No, I'm not a KDE advocate/troll. I used/loved GNOME through 1.2. I was just pointing out the features different from Nautilus and Konqueror. If you are just going to attack me instead of my arguments (or attack my arguments on non-technical issues), then fuck you too.

      As for browser/file manager integration, the idea is that not only should the same program be able to manage files, but also show documents (wether it be on a network or not). This is called network transparency, and is something is found in KDE more than any other environment I can think of (except perhaps the fact that it's also possible in MacOSX, but KDE did it with 1.x).

    12. Re:changes by Skeezix · · Score: 2

      Couple of points regarding nautilus features. There are several terminal-view components for nautilus that you can choose from. Hopefully soon there will be a central nautilus web page where you can get all these components. Also work is being done now on a galeon nautilus view component--which will go a long way to improving the web browsing experience in nautilus, because we all know how much galeon rocks.

    13. Re:changes by fault0 · · Score: 1

      That is good to hear, but wouldn't improving the embedding of gecko within nautilus (or improving the embedding of gtkhtml2) be better? I think it would introduce an extra source of performance loss in Nautilus to embed Galeon which in turn embeds gecko. I think that the speed that we all love in Konqueror is acheived because it embeds khtml directly.

    14. Re:changes by Skeezix · · Score: 2

      Galeon is actually quite speedy. You can also run galeon as a server (-s, --server) which keeps it running all the time and reduces the time of initialization. If you just embed the mozilla embedable you don't get all the features users are used to getting from a web browser. Galeon has a very nice feature set. So you have a couple options. Either you reinvent the wheel in nautilus and rewrite all those features, you go without those features and just have a simple html viewer, or you use component technology to share resources. The last option makes the most since to me. If done properly, you won't take a serious performance hit. Even in its early stages I've observed the galeon web view to actually be faster starting up than the mozilla view. Go figure.

    15. Re:changes by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Heh, damn, I was pushing for a Funny score on that one. :)

  7. Is it usable yet? by Tack · · Score: 4, Informative
    I haven't used Nautilus in a while. I want to like it. I mean, it looks great, that's for sure. But I have been following nautilus-list, and the word is that 1.0.5 is actually slower than 1.0.4. There were some serious performance issues just a few days ago, but Darin Adler made some significant improvements and the others were excited to see that CVS nautilus was only 10% slower (yes, _slower_!) than 1.0.4. (Reference here.) Good enough for a release, apparently, and here we are.

    Performance, if you ask me, has to be their #1 priority. There may be fewer bugs, but bugs in software I don't use due to bad performance doesn't affect me any. I have a 1.4Ghz/512MB system and it remains significantly too slow for me to use productively.

    I can't help but think of Mozilla about this time last year. It was horridly slow. And the typical tune on slashdot was something like "Mozilla is so slow it's useless garbage! They should scrap it all and start over." And now the tune has changed, and the general opinion about Mozilla is very positive. Given that, maybe in a year or two Nautilus will pick up in performance and reach a state of usability. I hope, anyway!

    I can't say myself if Nautilus is really much slower because I haven't used it myself. If anyone has used it, can you post your observations here?

    Cheers,
    Jason.

    1. Re:Is it usable yet? by sulli · · Score: 3, Funny

      I haven't used Nautilus in a while either. And I must have gained at least 15 pounds as a result!

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    2. Re:Is it usable yet? by dwlemon · · Score: 1

      Those are some worrying results. I remember reading about Alan Cox doing some profiling on the code and finding lots of room for improvement. I'm just wondering what Nautilus is *doing* in that 11 seconds it takes to load a folder.

      Seems like Nautilus is GNOME's club foot.

    3. Re:Is it usable yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh? I still find that Mozilla is still _really_ slow on Linux. On windows, it is about twice as fast (but still not as fast as IE).

      Opera or Konqueror for me. Thanks.

    4. Re:Is it usable yet? by NonSequor · · Score: 4, Interesting
      1.0.4 works fine for me. A little slow opening the first window (3 seconds by my estimation), but good after that. This is on an Athlon 1000 with 374MB of RAM (I had 128MB before and it ran at the same speed). I use the music view to play all of my MP3s but from time to time that crashes.

      I really like using Nautilus to organize my files. I've changed the icons and backgrounds of all of the subdirectories of my home directory to suit my fancy. Certainly this is just fluff, but I like to personalize everything. I use the emblems to mark MP3s that I get from Morpheus. Rather than just deleting low quality MP3s I mark them as being bad and keep them until I find a good replacement. I may eventually write a program that generates a random playlist for my MP3 player, giving songs with a certain emblems higher or lower chances of being picked (I want to listen to my favorite songs more often, but I would like to have others thrown in for variety).

      There's still some work to be done though. Sometimes the sidebar tabs die for no reason. The music view crashing also needs to be fixed. If these two things are fixed then I will have no problems with Nautilus.

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    5. Re:Is it usable yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used Nautilus for the last 6 months, and I'd have to say that I have gained at least 40 pounds as a result of all the extra hours in front of my computer waiting for Nautilus to load up my home directory!

    6. Re:Is it usable yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It runs *acceptibly* on my Thunderbird 1.4ghz, but it is about half as fast as Konqueror or Windows Explorer.

      Especially migrating from GNOME 1.2 to GNOME 1.4, GMC is _much_ faster. But recently, I've switched to KDE 2.2.1, and Konqueror is much faster than Nautilus (but not as fast as GMC was).

      Besides GMC, DFM is also another good file manager (used it on my PII 266, works like a charm).

    7. Re:Is it usable yet? by WasterDave · · Score: 2

      I'm just wondering what Nautilus is *doing* in that 11 seconds it takes to load a folder.

      IIRC Monsieur Cox was saying something about loading a font 4700 times. Hmmm.

      Dave

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    8. Re:Is it usable yet? by Wolfstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but I think that the overwhelming difference here lies in the current status of the project.

      A year ago - heck, even as little as 6 months ago! - Mozilla was sluggish to terrible. The only reason people were using it was because it did a much better job out the gate of handling fonts and images. But the reason for that was simple, and oft-stated by the Mozilla folks.

      Debugging code.

      Mozilla was still new enough and untried enough that every build they did had debugging code all over the place, so that when the Lizard died, they could get an accurate autopsy right away. And they hadn't even BOTHERED with speed optimizations. As they steadily creep closer to 1.0 - and this is really only since they hit .9 or so that it's become more true - they've been pulling the debugging code and starting to optimize for speed. The difference in performance is incredible, and I've had at least two people tell me that they've gotten better results on unofficial page-loading benchmarks from Mozilla than IE under Win32.

      Nautilus, on the other hand, is a shipped product. Sure, no program is ever really ready, it just gets released; that doesn't change the fact that the debug code should be out and the speed optimizations should be in.

      If I had to take a guess, I'd imagine that the performance hits Nautilus takes are from trying to be too user-friendly while maintaining a Kitchen-sink toolset.

      IANACoder, but that's one of the reasons I don't bother with Nautilus.

      Well, that and the fact that Xterm works just fine for my file manager. =)

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    9. Re:Is it usable yet? by CdotZinger · · Score: 1


      <best Mozilla developer voice>

      If your computer can't load 4700 fonts per mouse event, that's *your* problem, not Nautilus's. Nautilus is just MORE POWERFUL than Konqueror, and needs a MORE POWERFUL computer--take a walk outside your trailer park, throw away your fuckin' C64 and get with the times. I'd like to see this uninformed luser "Cocks" you mentioned shut his kiddie yap and write some code. !!!

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    10. Re:Is it usable yet? by GauteL · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is indeed a bit slower on regular tasks than 1.0.4 (unnoticable).
      BUT:
      A lot of those not happy with the speed of Nautilus were in fact experiencing some speed-bugs that have been cleared out. So while Nautilus is now overrall a bit slower than 1.0.4, the horrible worst-case behaviour is now much smoother.
      Speed is indeed a high priority with the Nautilus-team, but there is always something more important: reliability.

      Nautilus 1.0.5 is now in a very usable and reliable state. For most people it should actually be fast enough, but some may still find it on the slow side.

      On a 1.4GHz/512MB system it is already very fast. On my 800MHz/256MB system, things work like this:
      Staring Nautilus: 7.5 seconds
      Opening the first window from blank desktop: 3 secondsOpening second window: 2 seconds
      Changing directories: 0.2 - 3.5 seconds (on average around 0.5)*

      * The 3.5 seconds is worst case (a directory with ~900 pictures to display pregenerated thumbnails for). Thumbnailing in itself is a seperate thread and async.

      This is with all the Bells and Whistles on.

    11. Re:Is it usable yet? by big.ears · · Score: 2

      I don't believe that its the 'kitchen sink' aspect of Nautilus that is causing problems. Examining bugzilla, there are tons of features that were cancelled by Eazel in hopes of getting a product out before their cash ran out. And these are all fairly modular, and so don't impact speed that much. People tend to use the word 'bloat' as a general insult, usually one that doesn't reflect reality. Just because something is slow doesn't mean it's 'bloated' and even if something is 'bloated', it doesn't mean its slow.

      I think one reason why nautilus can be unresponsive is the way disk i/o is handled. They attempted to layer the disk handling, so normal functions in the application can't read files directly. There are special request-callback routines that run as their own thread which are required to access file systems. This helps make it easier to deal with different file systems, different platforms, remote file systems, and to make things (like ftp) appear as file systems even if they technically aren't. But, by abstracting a layer, and having the layer be autonomous, things get trickier. Sometimes, designs that encouraged optimal normal behavior produced atrocious worst-case behavior, and sometimes, fixes to address worst-case behavior impacted normal behavior.

      So, I think your assumptions are incorrect. Its user-friendly aspects are not impacting its performance as much as some of the nuts-and-bolts infrastructure, but these are getting worked out as well. Hopefully, we'll start seeing more of the document views appearing in the next months (like pdf, ps, targz, .rpm, abiword, etc.)

    12. Re:Is it usable yet? by FyRE666 · · Score: 0


      This is on an Athlon 1000 with 374MB of RAM (I had 128MB before and it ran at the same speed).


      So, are those 246mb memory sticks much cheaper than the normal ones then?
      :-)

    13. Re:Is it usable yet? by NonSequor · · Score: 1
      You would think that a discrete math major such as myself would be capable of handling simple arithmetic.

      Maybe I should change majors.

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    14. Re:Is it usable yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL You've got me splitting my sides over here. :)

    15. Re:Is it usable yet? by ReinoutS · · Score: 1

      Given that, maybe in a year or two Nautilus will pick up in performance and reach a state of usability.


      Usability amounts to more than just performance. It has to do with GUI design, taking the user's conceptual model of the computer into account etc. To see what the GNOME Usability Project's proposals for Nautilus are, please visit Nautilus GNOME 2 must-fix list.

    16. Re:Is it usable yet? by Tack · · Score: 1
      Usability amounts to more than just performance.

      I fully agree. Performance is just one factor of usability, but it is nonetheless a factor. And, for my usage, Nautilus' performance is painful to the point that it is not usable. Nautilus may have a great UI design and be completely intuitive, but all the great UI design in the world doesn't help software that is not being used due to bad performance.

      Regards,
      Jason.

  8. more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For one (the feature made for me but it doesn't work with .ogg) it allows you to do a mouseover on a .mp3 file and it plays it, when you take the mouse cursor off the .mp3 file it stops playing it.

    At least that's how it worked with redhat 6.2. Now I have 7.1 and the latest official Ximian desktop and that don't work anymore for some reason. Perhaps a Redhat 7.2/ and a NEW Ximian Gnome would suffice.

    If I can get that working with .ogg support and the speed problem is fixed I will use Gnome and Nautilus more. I think the thing here is they got the ideas working, now the code has to be optimized.

    1. Re:more interactivity by rikkus-x · · Score: 2, Informative

      Konqueror does that, and yes, it works with .ogg.
      Just enable sound previews (View->Preview->Sound Files)

      Any other examples ?

      Rik

    2. Re:more interactivity by uchian · · Score: 1

      I've been using this feature in konqueror for some time now, so it definitely exists, and it works with ogg Vorbis files too - I'm guessing that it is fairly simple to set up .ogg in Nautilus too if mp3's can be, but having yet to get Nautilus working, I can't check this out :-(

    3. Re:more interactivity by GiMP · · Score: 1, Troll

      Nautilus is to Konqueror as OSX is to Windows95.

      Just a crapload of really cool eyecandy. It comes at a beefy performance cost though, but it can be used on even old and slow stuff.. i just wouldn't recommend it.

    4. Re:more interactivity by uchian · · Score: 3, Informative

      As an addendum to what I just said, I had a quick look at konqueror and realised that Ogg files didn't preview.

      (Incidentally, I don't know if this breaks anything else, so proceed at your own peril)

      After a couple of minutes digging, I found out that in KDE Menu -> Preferences -> File Browsing -> File Associations, Ogg was listed as an Application, rather than an Audio mimetype I have read reasons why this is, but the upshot is that they did not preview. To make it preview, I changed it to an audio mimetype.

      Just thought I'd pass the knowledge on :-)

    5. Re:more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, Konqueror has almost as much eye candy as Nautilus does. Except that it's much faster.

      It's more like, Nautilus is to Konqueror as OSX is to WinXP.

      Your analogy is more like Nautilus is to GMC (OSX is to Win95).

      I hate to admit it, but WinXP is actually really good :!

    6. Re:more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but KDE has butt-ugly icons.

    7. Re:more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, wtf are you smoking. It doesn't. best of all, you can configure all icons in kde however you want them (see konq.jpg for an example). Effects, text location, everything can be customized. This is probably why KDE is the choice of all of us skinners/artists :) )

    8. Re:more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm still laughing :) That damn protruding door on the home icon is even in the screenshot you point at!

      KDE has absolutely insane icons.

    9. Re:more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Teehee... I hate feeding the trolls, but here it goes.

      Yes, it's a home icon. I agree that it should be an image of a home. The image of a home used in KDE however is bizarre, and it's the quality of these icons images in KDE that I find laughable.

      Notice that the top-left of the door in the KDE "home" icon is shiny as if it catches light as it protrudes from the house. The light sources in most KDE icons fail a most basic glance appearing to come from whatever angle needed to make every object have a shiny spot in the top-left corner :)

      The zoom (enlarge/shrink) icons are a magnify glass. The search is also a magnify glass (with animal paw prints). The lightsources in all these icons are again just bizarre.

      In the shot linked to there's the off-centre stop (X) icon. The ugly reload icon (sorry - unlike the others there's no technical problems with this particular icon, it's just ugly). There are the continuous problems with objects in icons leaving the icon margins (the clipboard icon - the pencil leaving the icon boundary).

      KDE's icons are really just insane :)

    10. Re:more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate feeding the trolls too, but here goes.

      The icons used in GNOME have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the action that they perform. Most commercial operating systems (Windows, MacOS), and KDE have quality icons in which the graphical representation of the icon actually has to with the action that it performs.

      To all GNOME icon developers, I suggest that you read the KDE user interface guidelines here. I think that the lack of proper ease of use in GNOME (perfectly illustrated by the dark and blurry icons in GNOME), are what are causing so many former GNOME users to switch to KDE.

      Face it, GNOME is dieing. KDE is winning the the desktop environment war. You may not like it, and there might be a handful of GNOME users in two years (like there are a handful of Netscape users now), but your desktop environment will cease to exist in the future. muahahahahahahhaahha.

    11. Re:more interactivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No no no, I hate feeding the trolls more than you do!

      The icons used in GNOME have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the action that they perform. Most commercial operating systems (Windows, MacOS), and KDE have quality icons in which the graphical representation of the icon actually has to with the action that it performs.

      Oh please don't give a vague description of the icons in Gnome. I was kind enough to give examples of insane KDE icons. Right now you're just blowing off steam and preaching to the converted :)

      (Without evidence, the opinion that someone walked into your comment with is the same one they'd walk out with)

  9. seems like by L-Wave · · Score: 1, Interesting

    seems like many of the speed improvments lie in the fact that they are now caching everything or removing certain abilities (like checking for a smaller set of extentions) is this the correct way to make speed improvments? I mean really, reducing functionality can hardly be though of as a speed improvment... so now If i want to search for an icon that happens to be an unpre-defined extinsion ill prolly have to find it myself...bah, do it the right way (code corretly) second, caching everything is a quick fix, but wait for people to shout "it doesnt run with 64 meg ram!!"

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  10. Xiamian Red Carpet by mlrtime · · Score: 0

    Seems to be updating everything without a hitch... good speeds too.



    I'm not a troll!

  11. Screen Shots? by sakusha · · Score: 2

    Anyone know of some screen shots of the new release? I haven't seen a recent version running, just wondering what it looks like.

  12. Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you dummy by HanzoSan · · Score: 0, Offtopic



    If you want speed, use SCSI, better yet SCSI raid.

    Nautilus runs as fast as Windows does in IDE mode when running on SCSI.

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  13. I love GNOME, but... by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Prepare to lose all karma...

    Perhaps I'm alone... I love GNOME, but I really don't care for Nautilus. In fact, I sort of have a strong distaste for it. But I have to give Andy and company from Eazel credit for taking a risk and for following their dreams. They've made a product that's loved by many... just not me.

    1. Re:I love GNOME, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I kind of agree with you. In my case it is not that I like Nautilus or not. It's just that I have no use for it. Which is why I have no Nautilus on my desktop, and I am not likely to ever have it.

    2. Re:I love GNOME, but... by the+Atomic+Rabbit · · Score: 1

      Right on. panel + sawfish + xscreensaver fits all my needs.

    3. Re:I love GNOME, but... by fferreres · · Score: 1

      You are NOT alone...i find it clueless and uneeded. Of course i do not ban people liking/enjoying it! But i think it's a step backwards...

      Nonetheless is has cool icons i do use for some other programs :) ... we definetly need to implement icons library! I care about how thinks look, either at home, work or desktop. Think of it, if you wark a lot with computer you probably look at the desktop like 70% of your awake life...

      Federico

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    4. Re:I love GNOME, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you, but I don't see how you've informed me +3 now:)

  14. OT: OSS profiling tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Forgive a question from someone with a Windows background: but what's available in the OSS world of gcc, etc. to deal with profiling application performance? I know that under Windows, I've got tools like the MS profiler, TrueTime (NuMega), Quantify (Rational), and a few other profiling suites.

    I understand Quanitify originated as a *nix product... it also costs over a thousand bucks. Are there any OSS tools that match TrueTime, Quantify, etc. for usability and features?

    Similarly, are there any OSS tools that correspond to BoundsChecker (NuMega) or Purify (Rational)? I'm aware of ElectricFence and other utilities that are primarily geared towards memory management issues; I'm wondering if there are any more comprehensive tools available.

    (No, this is not a troll, and yes, I do know how to usee Google, thank you. I've got a genuine interest in the topic, and thought I'd be lazy about it for once and ask people for recommendations before doing my own research.)

    1. Re:OT: OSS profiling tools by fault0 · · Score: 1

      i'd suggest you use gprof. There are other utilities available, but this is the defacto one in terms of usage :-)

    2. Re:OT: OSS profiling tools by Teferi · · Score: 2

      The standard profiling method is to build with -profile (I think) and run gprof on the profile data file running the executable generates.
      At least, that's how I seem to remember it.

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    3. Re:OT: OSS profiling tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just recompile your kernel with ReiserFS support turned on.

    4. Re:OT: OSS profiling tools by gkatsi · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.mozilla.org/performance/jprof.html (jprof)
      http://www.mozilla.org/performance/eazel.html (eazel profilers that mozilla guys use)
      http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/

      of the three, I believe that jprof and oprofile work on the same principle, only oprofile is system-wide and comes with a kernel module.

      for debugging, there are tons of malloc replacements (which may or may not require recompilation) besides electricfence. Obviously, I have no idea what other things boundschecker or purify can do, but I'm sure there must be a tool for most pieces of functionality that these programs provide (but not necessarily all at once).

    5. Re:OT: OSS profiling tools by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Build with -p if you wish to analyze with prof (I've never done this), or -gp if you want to analyze with gprof. Then learn how to use prof or gprof. Learning to use gprof is a good investment for your time. The only difficult part is correctly interpreting the analysis returned by gprof, which is very detailed. It's not that bad, but it can be daunting at first.

      Or you can use the old "ctrl-c" profiling method: run the program in a debugger, and stop it at random times with ctrl-c. Each time, make a note of which function you interrupted. If one function shows up a lot, then optimizing it is probably your best bet for improving performance.

      I prefer gprof. =-)

      -Paul Komarek

  15. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, we could save lots of money on a SCSI drive/card and simply use Konqueror.

  16. you dont need "MORE" ram, you need a faster drive by HanzoSan · · Score: 0


    Get SCSI raid and have 64 megs of ram and it runs fast.

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  17. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    I ran Nautilus 1.0 on a 10,000 RPM 80MB/sec LVD SCSI RAID-5 (video workstation) and found it to be horrible.

    Even when it wasn't accessing the disk it was munching CPU time like nothing else. I hope it's improved since 1.0.

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  18. That was 1.0!!!!! by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    I use 1.03 but still you are talking about 1.0!!!!
    Geez use the version released in the past 6 months

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    1. Re:That was 1.0!!!!! by aussersterne · · Score: 1

      What, did they rewrite the whole thing from the ground up between 1.0 and 1.05? I much prefer GMC (for GNOME) and Konqueror (for KDE). Nautilus makes the same mistake the early versions of Enlightenment made. It can either be called a) dog fscking slow or b) 5 years ahead in terms of both vision and [important] in terms of the common man's average computing power. Either way it's a loss.

      Nautilus is so slow compared to other file managers on my existing (far faster than average) hardware that it just seems broken, period. First impressions mean a lot and I'm not going to be first in line to try a Nautilus release until I hear something about massive performance increases in the headline.

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    2. Re:That was 1.0!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right on, gmc or konqueror for me too.

      there have been speed improvements from 1.0 to 1.0.5, but they are marginal at best, from my experience.

  19. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by GiMP · · Score: 1

    Yeah, swapping to ide can be a bit of a bottleneck :)

  20. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by Arandir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah right. If you're trying to make a file manager suitable for the masses you had better make it run tolerably on the masses' hardware. They all have IDE and could care less about what you think.

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  21. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by fault0 · · Score: 1

    Come on.. Nautilus is faster on a SCSI drive/card, but both Internet Explorer and Konqueror kick Nautilus in terms of performance on an IDE drive.

    Don't you see something wrong with that?

  22. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by dangermouse · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Nautilus runs as fast as Windows does in IDE mode when running on SCSI.

    This is a joke, right?

    You've posted at least three times that people complaining about Nautilus' speed (or lack thereof) should ditch their IDE drives and go to SCSI.

    You might want to jump a little, I'm gonna throw some basic logic at you.

    If the Windows file manager runs as fast on IDE as Nautilus does on SCSI, you can make two conclusions: (1) SCSI is not any faster than IDE, and Nautilus is just slower than the Windows FM. (2) SCSI is faster than IDE, and Nautilus is a lot slower than the Windows FM.

    Either way, you're not helping your case.

    While we're on the subject, you might want to consider that if only one device on the controller is speaking, SCSI has no real advantage over IDE. That means for most desktop systems, which only have one hard drive, IDE is perfectly sufficient and a hell of a lot cheaper. Do your own research: here's the first link I found at google on the subject.

    So drop your ridiculous SCSI fetish and recognize that Nautilus is just slow (even according to your own damned post).

  23. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    both Apple and the former Eazel hackers need to be taught that too much eye candy is not a good thing and generally pisses everyone off.

    It's all about the performance bay-bee!

  24. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in recent versions, they toned down the CPU usage in return for slower IO access.

    as a result, you have Nautilus displaying a 100 file dir. in 1 min, but using 5% of CPU, while IE does it in 10 seconds, using 5% of CPU.

  25. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by toxic666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, this is what the Linux Desktop movement needs. Just go out and buy expensive hardware and it will be fine!

    Yes, the average desktop NEEDS a SCSI RAID controller just to use poorly written code that needs to be compiled on each system.

    Take your meds, get a real job supporting a profitable company and then tell me how great it is.

    Give some consideration to the reality of supporting applications and systems in a business environment before you post comments that fail to account for sound economic and engineering decision-making principles.

  26. Re:n^2? by chromatic · · Score: 2
    Because sometimes code that works is better than code that doesn't work, but is theoretically O(log n)? Because the n in the O(n^2) algorithm never exceeds a dozen? Because profiling hadn't revealed it to be a bottleneck yet?

    It's good to use efficient algorithms, but big-O analysis is rarely the only concern with real-world code.

    (I haven't read a whit of Nautilus code. I tried it on my parents' -- midrange -- machine several months ago and immediately moved them back to GMC.)

  27. Re:n^2? by Tack · · Score: 2
    I thought that everyone knew n^2 was a Bad Thing and to avoid it and bubble sorts like the plague. It's not as if it is any effort to use an already written better data structure/sort algorithm that is in some library of which there are hundreds!

    I get the impression that you think n^2 strictly refers to sorting algorithms or something. n^2 can refer to a measure of any algorithm's efficiency, and from what I can see in the change log, this case has nothing to do with sorting. [FYI, this may also be written in Big-Oh notation, as in O(n^2) (although note that O(n^2) is not necessarily equivalent to n^2).]

    And yes, sometimes n^2 is needed. Sometimes x^n is needed, and sometimes even n! is unavoidable. Maybe you ought to revisit those computer science texts. :)

    Jason.

  28. It's not locking up, that's typical operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nautilus is the biggest pig in the pen. It's slow on GHz+ machines with fast drives and plenty of RAM.

    GMC is plenty zippy, but they seem to have abandoned it and broken the MIME editor.

    That's why I switched to KDE....

    1. Re:It's not locking up, that's typical operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, I was a happy GNOME 1.2 user, and they had to release the horribly bloated GNOME 1.4.

      So I'm using KDE 2.2 now.

  29. Ditch Nautilus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am really disappointed in this release. I finished compiling it and ran it, and it about the same speed if not slower than 1.0.4! The nautilus developers should aim to make Nautilus FAST. I don't care about the eye candy, I like my computer to be a tool.

    I really think that some people should really extend GMC for some of the features Nautilus implements, such as file previews, and make GMC the default again!

    1. Re:Ditch Nautilus? by bartok · · Score: 0
      "I don't care about the eye candy, I like my computer to be a tool. "


      Amen to that. It always surprised me how slow it is compared to the Windows file manager. And it's not like it does anything out of the ordinary for christ's sake. they need to either update GMC or scrap a lot of eye candy out of Nautilus.

  30. Dependencies from hell by ikekrull · · Score: 2

    I'm not even going to try installing this thing because i know its going to require about 50 supporting libraries to be downloaded just to get it to run.

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    1. Re:Dependencies from hell by styopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be exact, according to dpkg it has 37 dependencies. Of course, those have dependencies also.

      I know that I will get flamed for this, but that is why I use Debian GNU/Linux. Figuring out dependencies stops becoming my job.
      apt-get update
      apt-get install nautilus
      Done.

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    2. Re:Dependencies from hell by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      Ummm...

      The apt package was ported to RPM distribs months ago...

      Next?

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    3. Re:Dependencies from hell by fossa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your point? Are you trying to say that apt is no reason to use debian now that it's been ported to rpm based distros? Now apt rocks, but what sets debian apart from the others[1] in my eyes is the debian policy. Nothing's perfect, but when I install a debian package I have a pretty good idea of what it's going to do and where it's going to install. Some examples are /usr/share/doc/package for every package, every package giving a menu entry to the debian menu system and therefore automatically appearing in the window manager menus, and a strict following of fhs (maybe not strict but at least consitent across packages[2]).

      Apt only reaches its full potential when it can be used with confidence, and I can definitely use apt with confidence on my debian box[2]

      I'm not dissing other distros. I'm simply stating that in my own experience I feel a confidence with debian that I did not feel with the other distros I've tried. So if one feels safe using apt on debian then apt is most definitely a reason to use debian.

      [1] Back in my distro experimenting days, I tried RedHat 5.2, Caldera ?.?, Suse ?.?, RedHat 6.? and debian slink (2.1?). I feel safest installing debian packages and haven't tried another distro since (for better or worse).

      [2] At least when I used debian stable. It is unfortunate that debian doesn't release more often. But I have plenty of confidence installing from unstable as long as I'm not upgrading libc or perl.

    4. Re:Dependencies from hell by Maniwaki · · Score: 1

      And this is why I use Mandrake:
      urpmi.update -a
      urpmi nautilus

    5. Re:Dependencies from hell by Nicopa · · Score: 1

      I would think that you need an apt-able set of packages, designed to be fetched that way. And a package manager with features that RPM hasn't.

      If you are curious about those thinfgs that makes APT not enough, check here.

  31. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by tzanger · · Score: 2

    You run an extremely powerful fancy GUI on a Pentium 4 1ghz on an IDE slow harddrive?!?!?!?!?!

    If the damned program chews up enough memory that it has to eat into swap on any of my systems, it's out the window.

    In fact, on the laptop I'm typing this on right now, I have turned off the swap drive. My desktop needs should never need more than 256M of memory, ever.

    Yes I understand disk access can be slow but that's what the linux cache is all about. I don't have any trouble with Konqueror, Opera or even that pig of an OS...er...browser, Mozilla. If Nautilus hits the drive more than Moz, it's broken, and no amount of you bitching about my IDE drive is going to speed it up.

  32. Re:you dont need "MORE" ram, you need a faster dri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, it's the raid that does it. /rolls eyes

  33. Hell from dependencies by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 1

    Use a package manager that follows dependencies. Of course that will require someone to package it and post it. Nevermind, it will be 10 months before it makes the debian tree. Then again they probably consider it non-free for some religious reason.
    Long live pkg_add -r!
    Back to sleep......

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    1. Re:Hell from dependencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when you get those debian packages, they'll probably depend on themselves or otherwise have a weird circular or unspecified dependency.

      The RPMs will be much better. They'll just break PAM and init and /bin/rm, but at least they will install.

  34. Slow-NOT! by SparkyMartin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't find Nautilus slow on my Athlon700 system-not exactly a screamer by todays standards. When running Gnome it opens up in a couple seconds. In KDE it takes three times as long to start but once running I don't notice any lags. I dunno, maybe I'm too use to Windows.

    1. Re:Slow-NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to use kde 2.2.x with objprelink. It makes KDE app's launch time as fast as GNOME's (it addresses faults in g++, not any faults in KDE).

    2. Re:Slow-NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the loading that's slow; it's the displaying/updating of directory listings when a new directory is selected or a button is pressed.

      Everyone knows mc rocks the Nautilus world.

  35. Nautilus 1.0.5 has been release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love that Slashdot editing.

  36. I just want a File manager by snoozerdss · · Score: 1

    I just want a simple program that I can browse through my files with, I use roz sure it's not skinnable and it doesn't have neato icons or browse the web but it does what I want it to without hogging resources.
    And yes I have an older computer a P2 350 with 448 MB of ram ( I'm a RAM junkie, hell it's cheap enough!)everything else I use runs great ok ok well Mozilla isin't the fastest but it works.

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  37. slow? by sanchz14 · · Score: 1

    Nautilus is slow when first installed. most of the themes which come with the package don't help matters. they have too much eye candy and slow it down tremendously. with plain-type buttons, folders and background nautilus is usable and even moderately fast. my problems have been with freezing. and other bugs...

  38. Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I did a quick speed analysis in the loading of a directory with 2870 mp3 with Nautilus (1.0.5), Konqueror (2.2.1), and Windows Explorer (XP).

    all 3 apps were already running, but never visited directory before (so no caching). test done on athlon 800 with 256 mb ram. Everything was set to order by name.

    Windows Explorer - loaded new window and loaded files almost instantenously.
    Konqueror - open new window was instant.. loading files took about 4 seconds.
    Nautilus(icon view) - open new window was instant.. loading files took 28 seconds, 4 more seconds for the GUI to finish layouting.
    nautilus (music view) - still loading, has been over 10 mins, gui usable, but the view part isn't (using bonobo?). incomparision, xmms, winamp, and noatun load metadata from mp3s much faster.

    looks like nautilus is 32 times slower than Windows Explorer. Much optimization has to be done!

    1. Re:Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 2

      Interesting analysis... in Windows Explorer, did you compare against the "thumbnail view"? I believe the "thumbnail view" is roughly equivalent to Nautilus' concept of previewing each document instead of an icon. Its a great idea, just needs to be a *lot* faster!

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    2. Re:Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by ScottBob · · Score: 1

      Now if Nautilus could be made to behave exactly like Windows Explorer, all the way down to the last cut, copy and paste operation, listing the folders in the left pane and contents of the folders in the right pane, showing a list of small icons in both panes, it might be workable. Of course it would also have to ditch the written-in-stone file associations that plague Windows Explorer. Hey, wait a minute, I just described Konquerer.

      What I hate about Nautilus (and other Linux file managers, for that matter, this ain't just a Nautulus problem) is that it tries to launch files upon clicking them once. Also the automatic thumbnailing of images is annoying, wastes time, and adds garbage to folders (the thumbnail file, indexes, etc...)

      Ooh- I know! Let's bring back SID from the old Amiga days! The file manager, that is, not the Commodore 64 sound chip.

    3. Re:Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You expect us to believe you when (1) you posted as anonymous coward and (2) you can't spell worth shit. Someone needs to moderate your post as troll.

    4. Re:Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we need is something from the current Amiga days - Directory Opus Magellan. It's fast like a greased lightning bolt, it's got any feature you could possibly want in a filemanager, and if you want more features you can add them yourself. No, it's not trying to be a web browser, which IMHO is a Good Thing. DOpus Magellan is also available for windoze, but it's not Free though. However the DOpus 4 branch is GPL'ed!

      I find the performance of both KDE and GNOME on my PIII/500MHz pathetic in comparison to the GUI on my A4000 040/25MHz, and until they do something revolutionary with the Nautilus code I will consider it unusable.

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    5. Re:Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by infiniti99 · · Score: 2

      What I hate about Nautilus (and other Linux file managers, for that matter, this ain't just a Nautulus problem) is that it tries to launch files upon clicking them once.

      I believe this is to get us away from the old double-click paradigm. You won't double-click anywhere in KDE (except maybe in a listview widget like from Licq). If you want to make Konqueror behave more like Windows Explorer, try disabling single-click launch and "change cursor over icons" (that hand thingy). Now if only it were faster..

    6. Re:Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by FyRE666 · · Score: 0

      Funny, but I've found explorer very slow when reading directories from a samba server (latest build). The deeper the directory, the slower it gets - thumb nail views are terrible. This is with a dual 800 p3 desktop looking at (amongst others) a 1.4ghz athlon server. When I'm editing files on the server, a directory listing takes around 3-4 seconds when changing directories but other apps on the Windows machine that display the files in a picklist are virtually instant...

      I agree Nautilus is seriously slow (at least the last time I looked at it), so I went back to the Midnight Commander under Gnome which is nice and snappy on my laptop and 1.2ghz athlon. I hope Nautilus does get the speed sorted out, as I love the look of the thing, but it's irritating to use for me.

      At least there's a choice though, pity the poor OS-X users - now there's a seriously slow desktop :-) (before anyone thinks I'm trolling, I also have a mac that's been rendered unusable by OS-X - even the latest 10.1 "update")

    7. Re:Nautilus vs. Konqueror vs. Windows Explorer by GauteL · · Score: 1

      Not so... your scores are either due to a misconfigured Nautilus (possibly wrong bonobo-version), or are fake.

      These scores make absolutely no sense, unless you've stumbled upon some rare bug, and in that case I'm sure the developers would really like a bug-report.

  39. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by pivo · · Score: 1
    if only one device on the controller is speaking, SCSI has no real advantage over IDE

    Except automatic background bad sector location and mapping out.

    (just to pointlessly fan the flames)

  40. Re:you dont need "MORE" ram, you need a faster dri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who needs RAID when you can fit your entire disk into buffers/cache?

  41. WTF: Invalid form key: RSzsQ8xzZ9 ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Invalid form key: RSzsQ8xzZ9 !

    If you this error seems to be incorrect, please provide the following in your report to SourceForge:

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  42. Re:Quick note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi!

    Sorry, I am running Windows XP, ntot win2k. I did not have indexing turn on.

    jiango richard huang

  43. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pijemo, pijemo, pijemo, pijemo PIVO! :)

    Bog!

  44. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by redtux · · Score: 0
    Can win/kde people please stop trolling on the basis of 1.0


    Since 1.3 nautilus has been fast enough and roswell2/1.05 is nice

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  45. Re:Nautilus is a bloated piece of shit by Glytch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windowmaker is like the girl next door that you keep coming back to because she's the perfect balance. Gnome is like the horny divorcee who's desperate for company and tries in vain to make herself look good. KDE is the preppy bitch cheerleader who requires way too much upkeep to keep happy. KDE also runs with a different crowd, calling themselves QTs, who are convinced of their own superiority.

    And Opera kicks Konquerer's ass. As long as I'm pissing off the eyecandy freaks, I'll piss off the purity zealots too.

  46. For what its worth... by plastercast · · Score: 1

    For what its worth, I think that nautilus is a great product. Is it a bit slower than exporer, sure, but it is not as if you were getting nothing back for it (everything is so smooth :) Anyway, thanks alot nautilus team!

  47. yeah... red-carpet is so hard, my mom can use it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    winey little bitch

  48. agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a little ways to come on speed optimisation, but at the rate things have been progressing, 1.0.6 could be the killer release. god do i love things like the emblems and SVG icons :)

    1. Re:agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but the community will never accept Nautilus unless they make it as fast as Explorer or Konqueror.

      There really isn't any reason to use Konqueror versus Nautilus if you are running Linux. and there is no reason to switch from Windows to Linux just for Nautilus either. The eazel team should be worked on improving GMC or even Konqueror.

  49. Gotta use it awhile to appreciate it by flacco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If your'e still using GMC, try Nautilus for awhile - it will grow on you (please, clever punster wags, control yourselves).

    I especially like the ability to have remote FTP file systems integrated with the file manager alongside local storage, so I can cut a file from local drive and just paste it into an FTP site. Can't wait till they get SMB file shares and other filesystems added to it as well.

    Combine this with the bookmarks feature and you have a very efficient way of managing remote and local files transparently. It's worth a few seconds startup time IMHO.

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    1. Re:Gotta use it awhile to appreciate it by Iggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Can't wait till they get SMB file shares and other filesystems added to it as well.

      You can already browse SMB shares, but you need to get the gnome-vfs-extra package from somewhere. If you are happy with CVS then get it from the GNOME CVS server, otherwise, have a hunt around for a package for the distro you are using.

      One limitation is that to browse stuff you need to enter the username and password into the URI eg.

      smb://user:password@sharename

      But it's a minor quibble.

      I don't use nautilus or need to browse SMB shares so the information is coming from memory having read the nautilus mailing list archives...

    2. Re:Gotta use it awhile to appreciate it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eeh, I can really imagine your pain trying to run IE 4.x or newer on machine with 16MB of RAM, not to mention that the ftp-implementation ir horribly buggy and the rare occurrence it does manage to work its damn slow anyway... on the D800/448M box.

  50. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  51. Re:Screenshots by Shelled · · Score: 1

    As good a reason for an IP ban as has ever been seen here.

  52. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, yup, I fail to see how a graphics heavy file manager which mostly concerns itself with arranging and drawing icons on the screen can possibly significantly benefit from a switch from ATA133 to SCSI drives.

    Clearly a SCSI fetish, a subculture very similar in many ways to the arrogant audiofiles who insist everyone spend $10,000 per speaker to listen to their vinyl collection.

  53. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by 11+platter+hard+driv · · Score: 1, Troll

    Nautilus runs as fast as Windows
    does in IDE mode when running on SCSI.


    This is a joke, right?


    I do not believe he would have written
    it that way unless he meant for it to be serious.
    I believe you are anti-scsi. It may be because
    you are still using a 286, or maybe you are
    jealous that he has scsi and that you don't.
    Either way, he has his own preferrences, and
    you have yours. Get off his case.



    You've posted at least three times that people
    complaining about Nautilus' speed (or lack thereof)
    should ditch their IDE drives and go to SCSI.


    Perhaps this guy prefers scsi, and you don't.
    Or perhaps he is making a valid point. IDE is
    only so many wires, and scsi has so many more.
    Plus with the ability to put up to 15 drives
    on there, you can find someones old 500 meg
    scsi drive that they will give you, and give
    yourself another page file or some other use
    for it, without saying "You know, I can't really use
    that drive, I already have 4 drives hooked up
    to my eide controller", assuming that you do
    not use raid. I believe you may be in love with eide,
    or even ide, because you may not yet have the
    capabilities of eide. Who knows?



    You might want to jump a little, I'm
    gonna throw some basic logic at you.


    AHHH..


    If the Windows file manager runs as fast
    on IDE as Nautilus does on SCSI, you can make
    two conclusions: (1) SCSI is not any faster
    than IDE, and Nautilus is just slower than the
    Windows FM. (2) SCSI is faster than IDE, and
    Nautilus is a lot slower than the Windows FM.


    SCSI IS FASTER THAN IDE AND EIDE!!! Any A+
    certified technician can tell you this. Even my
    little 13 year old brother can tell you this.
    Let me call him in here, I will tell you what he and
    I talked about...


    Hi brother.


    Hi


    Which is faster EIDE, or SCSI


    SCSI is


    So you see, it would be of great advantage to know more
    than my 13 year old brother does.
    Either way, you're not helping your case.


    While we're on the subject, you might want to
    consider that if only one device on the
    controller is speaking, SCSI has no real
    advantage over IDE. That means for most desktop
    systems, which only have one hard drive, IDE is
    perfectly sufficient and a hell of a lot
    cheaper. Do your own research: here's the first
    link [acc.umu.se] I found at google on the subject.



    I would assume that if you have scsi, you have more
    than one drive connected. So this argument is way
    down the tubes already. Ha.



    So drop your ridiculous SCSI fetish and recognize
    that Nautilus is just slow (even according to your
    own damned post).

    If you were to put it on a decent processor,
    and by decent, I mean anything over 486 dx2, you
    would probably be doing better. Hmm.... or maybe
    you just don't know how to set it up. Who knows?


    Quite honestly, I do not even want to attempt to
    set up nautilus, but I have heard great things
    about it. You are just jealous of the guy
    because he knows more than you do. Either that,
    or you just posted because you felt like it. If
    you could keep this down to a smaller amount,
    then it would probably be better for the
    servers.

  54. Re:n^2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing a file manager does can possibly take n^2. Sorting is the most complex thing it does, and even junior high school kids have that down to n*logn

  55. another gui fm is pointless by destiney · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This story reminds me of what I have thought for quite some time now... the fact that Linux is never going to succeed on the desktop. There are too many factions at work for it to succeed. There are too many Window Managers. Competition is a good thing, I'm all for it, but we (the people still waiting to use Linux as a desktop OS) don't need 87 different GUI file managers. For the most part the GUI file manager competition is irrelevant anyway, how can anyone compete with "free". Who wins in the end anyway, the file manager with the most what?

    Konqueror and GMC both work great. Why not program something worthwhile, like a good game or something? Linux games are severely lacking. Sure, I can play thousands of roms on Linux, and Loki even has some good titles out, but where's my Diablo? or Diablo II? And if you say Wine or VMWare, you lose a testicle! Emulation and virtual this-or-that sucks in the performance realm and you know it!

    1. Re:another gui fm is pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always nice to see new and interesting ideas brought to the discussion, you idiot.

    2. Re:another gui fm is pointless by destiney · · Score: 1


      Exactly my point, we don't need any more "new and interesting" ideas for gui file managers. There are plenty of file managers out there already, just stick to making those work better and you'll be plenty busy.

  56. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Nautilus on my own computer and it's perfectly usable. Yet my computer is already two years old. My configuration: PIII 600, 256Mo RAM, IDE drive, Redhat 7.1 and Ximian Gnome.
    Sometime, Nautilus start to use lots of CPU when starting. Killing it and restarting it solves the problem.
    I hope this program will continue to get better and better.

  57. care to elaborate? by 2ms · · Score: 1

    I'm curious as to what aspects of Nautilus you find so distateful. I wouldn't have thought that it could elicit such strong feelings.

    1. Re:care to elaborate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because even with the speed increases, it's still:

      slower than alternatives with less features (GMC, DFM)

      slower than alternatives with same features on other operating systems (Windows Explorer)

      slower than alternatives with same features on the same operating system (Konqueror)

      so.. the alternatives are used.

    2. Re:care to elaborate? by shaderaven · · Score: 1

      I agree with the previous post completely.

      People simply do NOT want to wait any time a t all for their File Manager to run. Quite simply it should be the fastest module of any Desktop. Nautulis is simply too slow to be attractive to users. Especially users of older machines that can run linux and X just fine but choke on things like Nautulis. Backwards compatibility with older slower machines was always the most impressive feature of Linux and projects like the current Mozilla and Nautulis defeat the purpose completely.

      Notably, Nautulis is based on Mozilla and is clearly dependant on it for some inner workings, although I am not sure what. This seems to have caused Nautulis to inherit the same preformance problems.

      In the end I use GMC still and it does fine too bad no one is trying to improve to compete with Nautulis.

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  58. Naming by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

    With hindsight, it was probably a bad idea to choose a company name only two letters away from Edsel.

    (Or Etzel which is German for Edsel... == Attila, BTW.)

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  59. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by rking · · Score: 1

    You might want to jump a little, I'm gonna throw some basic logic at you.

    If the Windows file manager runs as fast on IDE as Nautilus does on SCSI, you can make two conclusions: (1) SCSI is not any faster than IDE, and Nautilus is just slower than the Windows FM. (2) SCSI is faster than IDE, and Nautilus is a lot slower than the Windows FM.


    Is that what you call logic?

    I do not see any sane way that from the premise "the Windows file manager runs as fast on IDE as Nautlius does on SCSI" that you could possibly conclude "SCSI is not any faster than IDE, and Nautlius is just slower than the Windows FM". If SCSI is no faster than IDE and Nautlius is slower than the Windows FM then logically you would expect Nautilus to run slower on IDE than the Windows FM does on IDE, which is incompatible with your opening premise.

    Your second alternative conclusion is a valid possibility given the premise though.

  60. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by rking · · Score: 1

    If SCSI is no faster than IDE and Nautlius is slower than the Windows FM then logically you would expect Nautilus to run slower on IDE than the Windows FM does on IDE

    Meant to say "...slower on SCSI than the Windows FM does on IDE", obviously.

  61. Nautilus Sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't understand why anyone likes this software. Is bloated, slow and not THAT functional. are people just happy with any GUI filemanager that pops up for linux? Nautilus is a joke and I wish it died with its company.

  62. Re:Screenshots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the code. I posted it over at Yahoo! bastardized message boards for someone looking for the MS CD cracking software.

  63. The linux desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's with the ever evolving state of file managers for linux? Besides thumbnail view and an embedded audio player MS has had the same file manageer since 1995 and it works fine. Only now with XP does it look even slightly different. Yet the linux ones want to be web browsers etc and can't even do that right. A file manager should do one thing, manage files. These "file managers" are constantly changing and can never settle on a feature set. Talk about feature creap. It slices, it dices, it does ftp,http, nfs, smb, blah, blah. Did you know the "desktop" audience the linux community thinks it deserves for the most part does not even know how to use a file manager? They just use file->save as to put the file where they want.

    There are soo many more important issues for the linux desktop than a SUPER file manager. How about the linux commmunity spend a few years making or copying there OWN GOOD LOOKING FONTS? I can't imagine it could take as long as Gnome has and would truly benefit the community as a whole as opposed to a bloated file manager. The linux community for all their push behind open standards has none when it comes to the linux desktop. Linux hackers do what Feels good and as a result you have a bunch of patch work windows managers that fight with each other and need P500's with 256MB ram to run O.K.

    I'm sure I just don't "get it" but it seems to me that simple and stable seem to be the future for Computer desktops, and linux is way off track.

  64. What is the role of nautilus? by jhdsl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder what the role of nautilus is? It is not a very good file browser, it can't browse tar-archives like its predecessor midnight commander could. You can not drag images from thumbnail mode into another window to get it displayed. It is not a very good browser either, you can't for instance drag links to another window, no image control, no "open new window on middle mouse click".

    The playing of sound files by just pointing at them is neat, but doesn't work in 1.0.5 for me (it did in 1.0.4).

    I think it is strange that Gnome replaced MC with something that can't even do all the stuff MC did. And as a web broswer it is not up to galeon or mozilla or konqurer. If one wants to be sarcastic one could say that they took two programs, MC and mozilla, integrated them and in the process removed a lot of useful stuff. The eye-candy is impressive for about two minutes, but then what?

    Nautilus seems to be stuck in this not-ok-file-manager-not-ok-browser state.

    I'm no big fan of KDE but at least konqurer is an ok filemanager and an ok browser. Nautilus is not really usable in any role.

  65. Compare Nautilus to WindowsXP by HanzoSan · · Score: 1

    Nautilus is faster hands down.

    I have windowsXP and nautilus on my computer, 400mhz pentium, SCSI drive, 256 megs of ram.

    Nautilus runs much faster than XP, Gnome runs faster, Enlightenment runs faster in fact windowsXP is the slowest OS i've ever used in my life.

    Nautilus is competiting against XP.

    Let people who want a good file manager upgrade their hardware, isnt that the point of buying new hardware? to run the most powerful software?

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    1. Re:Compare Nautilus to WindowsXP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nautilus is not faster hands down on my UPGRADED and FASTER machine (athlon 1.2ghz, ibm deskstar ATA 100 hd). In fact, it's about 3 times SLOWER in loading directories. Almost EVERYTHING i've seen is FASTER than nautilus.

      and I've tried Nautilus 1.0.5, WindowsXP, GMC, Konqueror

      I dunno wtf computer you have, because you seem to be a brainless troll. Nautilus is one of the most bloated apps I've ever seen!

  66. Have you tried WindowsXP? by HanzoSan · · Score: 1

    Windows XP is even slower than nautilus!!!

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    1. Re:Have you tried WindowsXP? by Arandir · · Score: 1

      Glad to hear that. Now where are the lines to pick up XP. I don't see them in my area. People are either sticking with 98 or going to 2K.

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  67. The average user needs a 486 by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    The average user who just checks their email and surfs the web has no need for a good machine.

    Thats why these new computers arent selling.

    Force them to buy new machines, computer sales pick up and we have jobs again!

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  68. Re:Its slow because you use a IDE harddrive you du by dangermouse · · Score: 1
    I'm sorry, I assumed part of his argument in the premise, instead of stating it explicitly... I should have included the statement that "Nautilus is slower on IDE than the Windows FM is on IDE."

    So now you have the premise: Nautilus on SCSI and Windows' FM on IDE are equally fast, while Nautilus is slower on IDE than Windows' FM on IDE.

    Now, if SCSI is not faster than IDE, then the hardware difference is not a defining factor of the software's performance. Therefore, there must be some reason other than the IDE/SCSI difference for Nautilus running slower than the Windows FM on IDE while the performance remains equal with Nautilus/SCSI and Windows/IDE. Your best case scenario, then, is that Nautilus and Windows' FM perform equally well, and the Windows FM does not in any case run more slowly than Nautilus. Therefore, you can reasonably conclude that Nautilus is generally slower than the Windows FM. This is my first of two possible conclusions.

    Better?

  69. One really good point to advertize by einhverfr · · Score: 2

    Eazel went out of business because they had a shitty business model. But their flagship project lives on and may be a success yet. So what does this matter?

    It shows consumers that open source projects are not tied to the success of their parent companies. This is extremely important when it comes to the ASP businesses. My message to them is: escrow your code or open it up if you want my business. I want to make sure that if an ASP I contract with goes under, I still maintian access to MY data.

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  70. Nautilus. by miguel · · Score: 5, Informative

    For a long time I stuck to GMC as my desktop manager, because I figured someone had to run it if we planned on keeping people with small systems happy (there are a lot of under powered machines out of the US).

    I finally made the switch because of the simplicity and cleanliness of Nautilus. I did not like Nautilus 1.0, I felt there were too many taste differences between my way of working and Nautilus way of working.

    But the Nautilus hackers were quick to respond to the input of the user community, and by the time Nautilus 1.0.3 came out, they had addressed most of the community issues.

    Today people are using Nautilus in really creative ways, and I finally made the switch because of all this creativity. Tuomas has a `magnets' package for his desktop and a set of images to play free-form solitaire on the desktop. Sure, they are just toys, but like that there are hundreds of other things being done with Nautilus.

    The core foundation in Nautilus is sound, and a lot of people are doing really creative things. For example someone wrote a "3D" viewer for directories. You can at any point switch your default view into 3D-view inside the window. It is just a Bonobo component, you do not even need to touch the Nautilus code to add these third-party views.

    Some other people have been writing Nautilus scripts, and I have been using a few of them. They could use some polish, but for being user-contributed things, they are pretty nice.

    I also noticed that the new Windows XP shell incorporated various ideas that were in Nautilus or earlier versions of Nautilus and some others were demoed as concepts by Andy as potential services to consumers.

    I would like to extend's Andy's idea of "actions" that are available on the left pane to be more comprehensive as it is on XP.

    Other features in Nautilus are its support for SVG-icons. Something that has been overlooked for some time. I did not knew about this until I saw someone's desktop with these huge icons (common used things were huge, others were there just for reference). Those huge icons looked perfect (maybe they were 100x100 size), when I asked I found out that it was the new Tuomas/Jakub set of SVG icons.

    Many hackers have been using pictures of themselves as their desktop "home". For example Nat's personal home directory has a `Friends' directory, and each `Friends' folder has a high resolution picture of his friends, where he keeps his information. He has a picture of his car for details about his car. Maybe he can post a screenshot of his desktop so you get an idea.

    There are many more creative uses of Nautilus out there, but I have to say that as the product matures, more and more options are available.

    But Nautilus overall makes for a terrific file manager, but it takes some time to get the best out of it.

    I still want to see some of Andy's experimental code that allowed live objects to be shown in Nautilus. At some point I saw someone's desktop contain various "web sites" in a folder. Instead of using an RSS feed, various mini-web sites (fully functional) were embedded into a directory. I wish someone could send me a link to this url.

    Miguel.

    1. Re:Nautilus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are many more creative uses of Nautilus out there, but I have to say that as the product matures, more and more options are available.

      I'll keep monitoring the Nautilus development, but I won't be using Nautilus until the "manage my files, archives and packages quickly and leave some RAM for applications" option is available.

      As other people have pointed out Nautilus doesn't quite seem to know what it is supposed to be. It tries to be a file manager, but has too few basic features of a file manager and is not sufficiently configurable. It also tries to be a web browser, using the resource hungry Gecko engine without providing any other features expected from a modern web browser than basic HTML rendering.

      I seriously DO believe that Nautilus has great potential, it just seems like the developers have focused on unnecessary things before getting the basics right. And I really don't think it's worth calling it even version 1.0 just yet. I think anyone planning to do a file manager should have a serious look at Directory Opus Magellan for AmigaOS before starting the project.

    2. Re:Nautilus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey miguel you fucking spic

      perpared your scrotum to be fucked by three strong german KDE developers.

      hahahahsdhashahahhaahhahash!#!@#!@#@!$!@#!#!#!

    3. Re:Nautilus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that is nice, very nice.. however nautilus is not functional if it's slow. I can do that same stuff with Konqueror.

  71. Good to see the community support it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wholehartedly expected Nautilus to disappear once Eazel went under. It is a testament to the power of Open Source for another major release to come out despite the death of the sponsoring company. Go Linux!

  72. Re:Stop complaiing about speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lot SLOWER than konqueror and IE on my computer!!!!!!!!

    using 1.0.4

  73. Re:Nautilus is a bloated piece of shit by VadPlessky · · Score: 1


    And Opera kicks Konquerer's ass.

    I guess you are speaking about rendering speed, right?
    Yes, Opera renders simple HTML faster than Konqueror. But it comes at the expense of quality. Opera's DOM/JavaScript is very poor. CSS support is incomplete and somewhat misleading.
    Anyway, Opera is very good for *easy* sites, which were designed to run in Netscape 4.75 or even in Netscape 3. You can go to such sites and still get adecuate results.

    In contrast, Konq was designed to run on much bigger number of sites, and has excellent CSS2 and adequate DOM support

    More info at: www.konqueror.org

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  74. mozilla in Nautilus by 2ms · · Score: 1

    yes, I always figured it was slow only because Mozilla was god awful slow at the time. That was back before releases of mozilla which suddenly made it ten times faster. Do you know whether or not Nautilus is still slow now that Mozilla is fast?