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HP's Digital-Audio Entertainment Box
ARP writes: "Hewlett Packard has introduced the de100c Digital Entertainment Center, a one of a kind stand-alone product that combines Internet features and digital multimedia capabilities. The unit connects to the television and stereo, from where it allows for organizing and storing MP3 and CD music that can be stored on its 40GB hard drive. It also comes with a CD writer for burning CDs on the fly, and USB connections for transferring files from and to portable devices such as PDAs. Coolest of all is the ability to connect through the Internet (broadband and dial-up both supported) to download music. The de100c is expected to hit the stores around the holidays. More info and shot at RatedPC." If this had the video capabilities like TiVo, it might be a much easier sell, but still looks like a useful component.
As far as the CD burning capabilities, I really don't trust HP in that department. I had an HP CD burner, it didn't last longer than a year, and two other people I know experienced the same thing. I'd wait for about a year from now before buying any HP product that has CD burning as one of the features, as they don't seem to be up to par there.
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It looks like a great addition, but how much is it gonna cost me??
anyone know if there are going to be any copywrite issues with these things? seems like everyone is adding something nowadays.
is this
First, does anyone have an idea about how much this will cost, what PDAs it works with, what kind of outputs it has, ANYTHING? A lot more information is needed.
Second, why USB? Perhaps this is for compatibility with the aforementioned PDAs/MP3 players, but IMHO it should have firewire for future scalability.
Third, cost could easily kill this thing. It doesn't seem like it has many more features than say a GCT Allwell set-top (which is easily hackable), and the aesthetics of it certainly don't appeal to me, so the only way that I would consider it is if the price was *very* low.
Fourth, how much you want to bet that the RIAA will have a field day trying to push against this thing? Maybe they already have a foothold (i.e. you wont be able to burn anything unless its a digitally signed download, etc.?) with this. I myself don't trust set-top devices for burning, especially not with the latest digital rights management push.
Fifth, Access to RealNetworks will never convince me to shell out money. In fact, nothing Real has ever done anything worthy of purchasing, in my opinion. I just don't think its a selling point.
On a side note, all of my home entertainment equipment is Black, what's with this sudden push to make everything blue && || silver? Cut it out!
Appliances are always so far behind the times. When appliances first came out, at a time when home LANs were taking off, they all connected to the internet through dial-up. Ugh. So now that 802.11b's the thing everyone's into, we're seeing the next wave of appliances, and they support... ethernet. Good job, guys!
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I saw it at Linuxworld in San Francisco. It apperently runs linux on 'encrypted' hardware. The guy demo-ing it pretty much challenged anyone to crack it.
You can only play media files with DMR controls on this box, it won't play MP3's...
Chris.
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Actually at the bottom of the article, RedHad 7.2 is apparently out. Getting slow in our old age or is it a joke like the rest of the page?
So here's the blurb:
Hewlett Packard Digital Entertainment System 10/27/2001 1:36:27 AM by Amir R. Pakdel - apakdel@ratedpc.com Now you can introduce your home entertainment system to the multimedia advancements that had been available on PCs. Hewlett Packard has introduced the de100c Digital Entertainment Center, a one of a kind stand-alone product that combines Internet features and digital multimedia capabilities. The unit connects to the television and stereo, from where it allows for organizing and storing MP3 and CD music that can be stored on its 40GB hard drive. It also comes with a CD writer for burning CDs on the fly, and USB connections for transferring files from and to portable devices such as PDAs. Coolest of all is the ability to connect through the Internet (broadband and dial-up both supported) to download music. The de100c is expected to hit the stores around the holidays. Record music to CDs with a built in CD-writer; Transfer music to select MP3 players, handhelds and memory card readers; Use its built-in connectivity to download music and artist information and access streaming video through dial-up, DSL or cable connections; Easily store, manage and automatically catalog up to 750 CDs (approximately 9,000 tracks); View music selections and other product features through an easy-to-use on-screen TV display and simple remote control; Access RealNetworks' RealPlayer and RealJukebox services; and Connect to stereo and TV components.
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Since we're on the topic of support for HP devices, I was wondering if anyone could help me. I have an HP 9100 CD writer and though red hat 7 detects it ok it isnt detected by cdrecord, cdrdao, xcdrgtk, gtoaster, etc. It's detected as a read only device (I think). I haven't been abe to fix it and desperately need help. thanks
If they are going to continue the story of the alien band that goes to earth with the rest of the songs on the CD. If they did that would make one hella phat movie. I'd like to get some angel dust and watch that shit! woowoo!
lose the burner, add dvd playback, add firewire, slap it in a mini component box and make mine black. Thanks!
Well, my iBook does all that + plays DVDs, with FireWire connectivity, but most important of all, it gives me a sense of security regarding the ugradability of the OS and software.
Whereas I don't see a lot of Unix/Mac/other developers waiting in line to expand this HP box's capabilities to handle new formats.
So it'd better be very cheap and very recyclable.
AC332
In an interview Bill Gates was talking about the distinction between the hubs/areas where technology is used and being away from the PC and near the TV was one that Microsoft is apparently concentrating on. (He indicated that he was disappointed at the lack of broadband in homes though.)
Anyway, I think the XBox is going to evolve into the weapon-of-choice for Microsoft to deal with these so-called entertainment centers that combine various multimedia home-appliances.
XBox/MSN/Windows Media --- all controlled by Microsoft. HP's solution works with media formats HP doesn't control and internet services it doesn't control -- makes evolving the product more difficult when you aren't dictator.
I think Microsoft has a pretty good combination for starting toward domination of the "TV-space" and they control everything they need to progress.
(Personally, I think control of the TV-Space is going to be HUGE since that device will probably control most usage of video-on-demand and music-on-demand services. There will be a lot of hours spent using this appliance.)
Assuming of course it isn't sold as a mini-PC....because we all know that Microsoft is under *no* threat with *it's* contribution to music piracy by including ripping and encoding in it's OS.
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There was an update. The detail specifications of this thing is now on the site. It uses a Pentium2 566MHz processor!
Hmmmm, it seems to have some proprietary OS that is married to "Real" software products (which i hate), it works with "select" mp3 and portable music players, which sounds like it's RIAA approved. it has no firewire so adding drive space is a bitch. it has no interactive television capibilities....
this is shit. sorry to be glib but this is the most unexciting componant entertainment solution i have ever seen. i am sure just about every slashdot reader could build a better box then this with off the shelf parts at a best buy.
No firewire? Gah. Good luck filling up 9000 tracks by USB. And what does it have over me bloody computer? If you need a computer in the first place to load the thing up, why not invest in some good speakers instead? (Yes, I know it can download from the internet, but don't think for a minute they're gonna get away with a direct connection to any of the napster wannabes.) I suppose if you hacked it to get around that stuff it might be cool, but anybody who can hack something like that most assuredly has a computer, so we're back to square one. To wit, nice idea, but unnecessary and fairly useless.
Is it a device to give the RIAA execs nightmares or wet dreams? We all know that the MPAA and RIAA would both like to uninvent the computer, and this sort of specialized digital entertainment box may be just the thing they need, a special-purpose device that they have near absolute control over.
We all know that digital rights management is impossible to enforce on a general-purpose computer. But on a special-purpose entertainment console like this one, it will be trivial to do so except against the most determined cracker, if it has been designed properly.
Maybe the CD writer it's got is one of those that only writes those junk CD's that you can't play on a computer...
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The general idea of a pc-based entertainment center is, actually, a great idea.
A PC gains more and more entertainment capabilities. You can use a PC for game playing, listening to MP3, watching DVDs, as a smart TV (a-la TiVo), and the list goes on.
There is one problem with a TV, though: it is not designed to sit in your living-room.
So, an entertainment center designed to sit at your living room and function as a combained DVD/CD/MP3 player, TiVo, internet set-top box and play-station is a great idea.
The problem with HP's offering is that it focuses only on the music-related features, and hence it is may end up as a pretty expensive toy that have a relatively small set of features.
Out of the list of suggested features, I may be willing to give-up on the game-playing features (it would be difficult to have a rich game library unless the product is based on an existing gaming platform, or is windows-based PC under the hood). I would like to see a combined DVD/CD/MP3/TiVo with internet conectivity, though.
According to their specs, they are using a 4/8/4 CD-RW (rips music at 4x, writes 8x, write CDRW at 4x). Considering 32/16/10 are the minimal specs for CDRs now, it looks like they's using this box to get rid of outdated CDR stock they got.
I don't know about you
Here's what I want from Apple, a la iPod, in a stereo component (iDeck, I kinda like that for a name...)
Removable 60 GB firewire harddrive. Sync with my mac (or move your mp3's manually from peecee). Connect to my stereo. Play mp3's through my stereo, easily.
PVR functionality. Record television shows, Tivo, etc. Play DVD's, CD's, mp3 CD-R's, etc.
Snync recorded video to my mac (or drag and drop from the mounted firewire drive to my peecee...) Have a plugin for iMovie that allows me to record my television programs to DVD, via the SuperDrive. This would be very cool, and Apple could actually do it.
Make it expandable. Include an empty bay so that I can add another 100GB firewire drive if I want. Include networking, but not to transfer massive video files over a network (why? when you have firewire...). Allow mp3 streaming to PC clients on the network.
Release a mini-iDeck that will connect to the main Deck via airport and have music streamed to any room in range. Build on cheap G3 hardware, embedded Darwin, scaled down Aqua gui for tv out (antialiased text on a television...)
I'm also waiting for Sony to release something like this, perhaps with linux inside (they seem to be gearing up for war with Microsoft...)
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So the venerable DEC rises from the ashes?
First Compaq buys Digital Equipment Corporation, and then HP buys Compaq. The result? DEC changes from a name associated with minicomputers and mainframes to entertainment equipment. Hmmm...
Tim
I'm wondering if you even deserve a response. Is this flame-bait? Like, where the hell did that all come from? Sometimes I think its better to approach unwanted behaivor with a dose of compassion, lest you come off as a wailing lunatic *cough* *cough*. You have a point though - I don't know if its a world wide trend or what, but most people I know barely recognize anything outside their own concerns. Its a valid note because sometimes people get hurt when others choose to ignore selfishly.
::too:: paranoid, its this type of blatent disregard of what your spirit is trying to tell you that causes trouble. There is also a lot of harm and good achieved when it's not. (Forgive my terminology, but its the best model I've found. Spirit, dreaming, tao, Jesus, global brain, my left pinkie toe - pick your poison).
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Anyone remember that stoty of the stabbing with a dozen witnesses, but no one bothered to call police until it was too late? Or about Jeffery Damer's nieghboors who heard screams and moaning but neglected to investigate? Although instances like these are extreme, and people can get hurt when your
Your concerns are valid, but criticism doesn't ussually achieve anything. It will only create a barrier that will ensure your perspective will be disregarded (in my opinion). Communication can only occur between equals. So better to act compassionate and in the interest of those who you are trying to convey with. And if your not interested in those people, why bother with them?
I've been reading some stuff by Arnold Mindell that I really like. He's genuinely concerned with our world and it's conflicts and acts the part. Racism, oppression, abuse, schizofrenia - plus much much more! Really though, if you're interested in ways to get this globe out its funk, Mindell is an insightful author with provactative ideas.
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So goto your public library and check it out today!
P.S. Who cares if people don't like what you say! Stand up for yourself and ideas and post under your name!
You can easily build a PC to do that and more. I am currently building an Entertainment PC that will be tied to my TV and stereo. Some specifics:
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* AMD Processor
* Desktop Case (painting it black myself)
* ATI All In Wonder Radeon (PVR and TV out)
* Plextor BuRN proof CDRW
* Ethernet NIC
Some of the my uses for this PC:
* Play MP3s
* Play Games (PC and M.A.M.E)
* Record TV via ATI AIW (has some PVR features)
* Burn CDs
* Play DVDs
You can vary the components greatly depending on your budget. Of course this is turning into to an expensive toy for me.
http://athome.compaq.com/showroom/static/ipaq/musi c_center.asp
Curiously enough, Compaq has a similar device out under the IPAQ label that does pretty much the same thing.. I think the capacty is lower than the HP, and it doesnt burn CDs..
Didnt HP just buy Compaq recently?? Interesting how they managed to come out with similar products...
Is anyone not working on one of these at their day job?
My PC (or "Personal Computer") already does all of the functions of this contraption, and I enjoy using it with a full-sized keyboard and mouse. Plus, I run Linux, America's most popular operating system, which allows me to write my own software. Try writing your own software in Windows!
Just remember: if it's not Linux, don't buy it.
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Since when is Digital Entertainment limited to one audio file format? I'd like to be able to dump some DivX on there and watch those. It makes no mention of video at all (except for streaming Real Player, which is like saying your computer has sound because you can hear the fans humming). Entertainment for me is a lot more than just mp3s playing. They don't even mention visualization during playback.
Digital Entertainment includes AT LEAST music, video, and digital images. (being able to do a slideshow on the TV would be nice). MP3 playback is just MP3 playback.
Disclaimer: I work for HP, but nowhere near the CD or home appliance divisions.
HP oems their drives. They use various manufacturers. We did use Phillips in the past. Our last few CD-R drives have been Sony drives. Much better than past choices.
I have no idea what this particular device uses. I've never heard of it before.
Knowing Apple, they'd make this device with a translucent case in bright colors. That's not going to fit in too well with my black A/V components.
The problem I have with most digital music vault devices is the user interface. My ideal user interface is voice input, of course ("Computer, play something upbeat" or "Computer, play some U2", etc.). Of course, even this needs a supplement, since I need a fast way to see what I have available. My current system is to look at my rack of CDs and scan the titles from the cases, then pick the ones I want. I need a UI that gives me something as easy as that. I can't stand it if I have to constantly press a scroll button and wait for every title to go by. It would be better if I had a scroll wheel, and the listing of titles would move as fast as I turned the wheel (while remaining completely readable at all times). I could spin the wheel, scan the titles, stop it at the ones I wanted, the hit "select" for those. The important thing is that it be fast (and responsive), since I may have lots of titles (of course, there should be lots of selection modes, not necessarily just for titles). Anybody seen any good UI ideas in a good music product lately?
They were very interested in how we would respond to advertising that was downloaded to it and played for us based on our music choices. The group said downloading concert info about the bands we liked was fine, most of the people didn't really mind more annoying ads, but I said that if there wasn't a way to opt out of the ads I would firewall its outgoing network connection.
They asked if it would be ok if the box reported back certain user preferences, and I said that would be fine if they were totally upfront about what information was sent. I told them that lying would just get them in trouble, because we would see every packet this thing sent over the wire, and would raise a stink about any unexplained ones.
I think the final insult is when they asked the price we would pay. Most of the other people said $1000 or $1200, but I said that I had built similar devices for $300. That was a bit unfair, because $300 doesn't include the surplus and out of date computer pieces used from work, and their box was certainly nicer than what I had put together. At the time their box had a 20GB drive, and a CD burner, so it would have been more fair of me (on then prices) to have said $450-500.
I think their main problem was they had tried to pack the room with people who were very into music, yet somewhat tech savy. Unfortunately I am very tech savy, and only somewhat into music, so instead of spending my time dreaming about the virtues of a 20GB CD changer (besides I already had the equivilant) I spent my time dreaming about all of the evil things they would be doing with this box.
This looks sweet. Pentium 566, USB (for keyboard & mouse), composite & svideo (use a TV as the monitor), probably has pretty decent sound, for a computer. If the price is right, this could be a lot of fun.
I was looking at the back panel, and I noticed that port/expansion card layout looks like standard NLX. This is encouraging.
It sounds almost exactly like the Kenwood Entré, except with a bigger hard drive, DRM, and no DVD title/information downloading ability.
Except I'm using this which was previously mentioned on Slashdot. Not only will it work for all the above mentioned, but I can stick in a DVD drive and use it as a DVD player too!
All you people bitching about the unit, build yourself one like me!
Have you actually bothered to click on Apple's hardware page lately? Well, all I see is Metal, and Glossy White! Where's the translucent colors? There are none! Do your homework before posting next time.
My roommates and I currently use one of our computers to share all of our MP3's. Plus, when we have a party, we generally burn a few CD's and pop them into the CD Player. This device from HP could change things.
For one, if it has the ability to share it's data to other PC's via the LAN connection, it could become our new 'MP3 Server'. We could listen to the music from our PCs or through our Stereo system in the living room.
Another great feature that I hope it has is some type of visual effects such as Geiss. That way, we could have some cool stuff on the TV while the music is playing during our parties.
Plus, you don't have to wait for the CD changer to switch CDs when you have it on Random or on a Playlist. You could have tons of playlists stored (as opposed to the single playlist I currently get on my CD Changer) for all sorts of scenarios. A study playlist, party playlist, romantic playlist
All in all, I think this device is Great, and if it features PC Access via the LAN connection, and some type of Visual Effects that go along with the music, you can bet that I'll be picking one up (provided the pricetag is reasonable)
anyone know if there are going to be any copywrite issues with these things?
Copywrite refers to writing and editing text. An example of a "copywrite issue" would be the fact that Sony's MemoryStick.org web site is full of Engrish on the front page.
On the other hand, copyright is a monopoly that the government grants to creators of original works of authorship and that said creators have twisted into a way to screw their customers.
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So, an entertainment center designed to sit at your living room and function as a combained DVD/CD/MP3 player, TiVo, internet set-top box and play-station is a great idea.
And you're endorsing a proprietary platform (i.e. Sony PlayStation (TM) (R) (C) (patented)) for the gaming part? Why not a more open platform like Famicom whose patents have expired?
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So the venerable DEC rises from the ashes?
If they were calling this a DEC S ound S ystem, and they later announced a DVD upgrade, would they be sued?
Will I retire or break 10K?