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Web ReDesign: Workflow that Works

Steve MacLaughlin wrote this review of Web ReDesign: Workflow that Works , a book which transcends its title to address much more than workflow, and more generally than just on the Web. Steve promises that your copy will soon be tattered and marked -- and that's a good thing. Web ReDesign: Workflow that Works author Kelly Goto & Emily Cotler pages 253 publisher New Riders Publishing rating 9 reviewer Steve MacLaughlin ISBN 0735710627 summary Practical wisdom for Web creators on consulting, design, development and more rolled into a single readable volume.

There are books that attempt to impart the divine wisdom of consulting. There are books that detail best practices in graphic and usability design. There are books that detail the intricacies of software development. There are books that detail project management and surviving the technology lifecycle. But there are very few books that explain how all of these pieces work together successfully. Kelly Goto and Emily Cotler have pulled it off with masterful perfection in their new book Web ReDesign: Workflow that Works.

People, projects, technology, and clients do not work in a vacuum from one another. Process is the magnet that holds them all together. Goto and Cotler offer professionals a comprehensive "Core Process" to guide them through their Web projects. While other books may explain some of the tricks of the trade no book has really placed all of these best practices under the umbrella of a process or methodology. Perhaps that's because a lot of these processes have been closely guarded secrets in the highly competitive interactive services industry. It's almost as if Goto and Cotler are on a humanitarian mission to save clients and projects from future punishment under the hands of companies using poor or in some cases no processes at all.

Web ReDesign's Core Process is a five-step approach to producing successful Web projects. The five steps are Defining the Project, Developing Site Structure, Visual Design & Testing, Production & QA, and Launch & Beyond. And each phase is broken down further into steps and checkpoints in splendid detail. As someone who started out doing this kind of work I found myself making mental checkmarks throughout the book. "Did that. Did something like that. Man, it took me years to learn that I should do that. Where was this book six years ago when I needed it?"

Perhaps a book like this wasn't really possible until now. The profession had to go through its ugly duckling stages where individuals and companies tried to figure out what worked and what didn't. Grafting parts from consulting, marketing, project management, and software development into some freakish process monster that often resulted in turning clients into an angry torch-carrying mob. Thankfully Web ReDesign has finally arrived and it is certainly no Bride of Frankenstein. The processes are spelled out in clear language and the authors repeat certain key points in case you missed something along the way.

It's easy to get sidetracked reading Web ReDesign with all the sidebars, charts, sample forms, and interviews. But this is a good thing! The tips and sidebars along the way spell out in greater detail how to put the process into action, and what to do when trouble arises. The forms and charts are some of the most thorough ever published, and thankfully you can download most of them on the companion website located at www.web-redesign.com. Throughout the book Goto and Cotler call on experts like Lynda Weinman, David Siegel, Jeffrey Zeldman, and Jakob Nielsen to offer their perspective on a given topic. The overall design and layout work done by the folks at New Riders is phenomenal and the visual presentation of the book is really first rate.

The one big question I have about the books is its title: Web ReDesign. That's because this is a book that can be used for first time Internet initiatives just as well as for redesign projects. Perhaps the authors had some dual purpose in mind for the title: If you're doing this for the first time, you need to rethink the conventional wisdom that Web projects are a black art with no best practices. Or if you didn't use a process the first time, then you've probably learned how valuable it is to have a proven methodology to avoid repeating mistakes.

Goto and Cotler have produced a book that no Web professional, whether they're a consultant, project manager, designer, programmer, or specialist, should be without. Web ReDesign is one of those books that should be kept close at hand during projects of all shapes and sizes. It won't take long before your copy is either severely dog-eared or has post-it flags sticking up throughout it. Get your hands on a copy before the competition does.

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  1. first post for DPT by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

    INTRODUCTION

    N,N-dipropyltrytamine, the lesser known cousin of DMT has recently become more widely available among select entheogenic circles thus fostering a new wave of interest and research. Although mentioned in many classic psychedelic texts such as the Psychedelics Encyclopedia, Pharmacotheon, and TIHKAL, this obscure entheogen has yet to really see the light in the psychedelic world of today. In this DPT primer we shall endeavor to transmit some of the vital information that has been gleaned from our recent explorations.

    The power and force of this entheogen is comparable to DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, which is to say that you are in the major leagues of self dissolution and you need to approach it with respect and caution. From all accounts the imagery, coloration, feeling tone, and overall style of DPT is quite unique and very different from the more widely known tryptamine cousins. You are exploring new territory here, and as they say... The map is not the territory.

    In the course of watching a fairly wide spectrum of people experiment with DPT some important aspects of the drug have become evident. There is a huge amount of variability in the dosage curve, physical effects, and subjective psychological response. Some people have been completely smashed with as little as 50mg insufflated while others required 200mg to really get where they wanted to go. Many people reported being uncomfortable with the physical aspect and body load that manifests as a very specific body vibration. It could be described as the classic kundalini archetype. There has been a wide variability with this, and the people who are more sensitive to the drug typically manifest more of the tremor effect. I have personally witnessed a hard core freak out with 60mg insufflated and I feel obligated to strongly warn people about the serious nature of this drug. DPT is not for everybody, and certainly not for those just looking for a recreational good time.

    There are several routes of administration which have varying time courses and effects. For the initial exploration of this substance I would strongly recommend starting with smoking small amounts of the freebase (20mg) over the time course of 5 minutes. Smoking provides the fastest onset with almost immediate entry and a relatively short duration (20 minutes). This is by far the best way to learn DPT. Insufflation (Hcl salt) also works very well, but there is a much higher level commitment involved with a 2 hour duration. There are also distinct differences in the subjective effects of each route of administration. Among those who have experimented extensively with this substance the most direct and preferred route is intramuscular injection (Hcl salt). Most of the DPT we have seen available has been in the Hcl salt form and is not very efficient for smoking unless converted to freebase using standard kitchen chemistry basification methods. Although it was mentioned in TIHKAL that DPT is orally active, we found this route to be quite unpredictable when taking it without an MAOI. Recent reports indicate that propyl-huasca works very well using the standard amount of MAOI combined with 75-150mg of DPT.

    Again, we have observed that milage varies considerably from person to person with DPT. Some people were blown away with a lower end dosage level while others required two to five times as much to manifest the full effect. My advise is to work up gradually starting with a very low dosage level in order to acclimate yourself and then boost up as desired. There have been several major freak outs by those who chose to take the plunge and then could not handle the power of DPT.

    *It is essential to have a sitter present during your initial explorations of this material.*

    RECOMMENDED STARTING LEVEL DOSAGE STRATEGY

    Smoked (freebase form) The freebase is a little harder to nail down the exact dosage level but 20-100mg seems to be the reported standard amount needed for the full experience with the top end manifesting total dissolution similar to 5-MeO-DMT. Our initial experiments suggest that even less than 50mg will provide significant access into the space. It would be wise to nibble slowly at it first to get the general feel before diving in with multiple huge hits. The effects begin almost immediately (within 2-5 minutes) and maintain peak for approximately 20min followed with a steep decline and a slight residual. We noticed that two relatively small hits were all that was necessary to access the DPT space adequately for the first time.

    Insufflation (Hcl salt) Start with 25mg regardless of your body size and level of entheogenic experience. Wait 15-30 minutes for it to come on and settle in. If you desire more boost it up *once* with another 25mg. If you don't get there on your first go then so be it. Be patient, get a feel for the physical vibrational effects, and find out if this drug is for you before you jump in. The effects begin within 15-30 min, peak for about an hour, and then gradually trail down for another 3 hours.

    Intramuscular Injection (Hcl salt) If you have no prior experience with DPT then I would recommend starting with a very low dosage level of 15-20mg. For those who are experienced with the other routes of administration I would suggest starting at 30mg and working your way up from there in several sessions as necessary. Stan Grof reported a maximum dosage level of 160mg in his studies with DPT, but I have heard from one intrepid friend of mine that he passed out at 130mg. All indicators point to the use of extreme caution when using this route of administration. It would be wise to work it up in small increments and definitely have a sitter on board. The effects begin within 5min and very quickly progress to a solid peak plateau that lasts for over an hour followed with a trail down for another 2 hours.

    PREPARATION, SET, AND SETTING

    The nature of the DPT experience lends itself to a more private and internalized focus. It is best to create a space in which one can comfortably lay down or sit relaxed. You will find yourself drawn to close your eyes and explore the inner world of DPT. By creating your environment with minimal outside distractions you will greatly add to the quality of the experience. You may also want to add some good meditative music to your environment as it can add dramatically to the potential and possibility of the experience. DPT does absolutely wonderful things with sound, and very intricate states of awareness can be created and driven using musical influences. The visionary intensity and nature of this material lends itself to working solo or in very small experienced groups. As with any psychedelic journey, preparing oneself physical and mentally is a must. The usual pre-trip eating guidelines and mental focusing preparations should be applied.

    EXPERIENCE SUMMARIES

    A large size male ingested 250mg orally on an empty stomach. Effects came on hard and fast. The first 30 min of the peak was extremely rough, very intense, and he thought he was going to die. His body looked flushed, and his breathing pattern was forced and very similar to what I have seen with 5-MeO-DMT. Once past the peak he settled down and very much enjoyed the state. He commented that it had a definite empathegenic signature to it during the latter stages of the trip and that he was receiving lots of information regarding current issues in his life. He said he would not want to repeat this level again, but is interested in exploring the compound again at a lesser intensity level and a different route.

    A medium size male ingested 250mg orally on an empty stomach. Effects were barely perceivable and quite a disappointment. At T+3.5 he decided to insufflate 200mg to attain the full effect. This worked very well, and he found it to be a most unique space unlike any other entheogen he has ever experienced. He described amazing closed eye visuals and musical enhancement to be the most notable unique signatures of the material. The space was entirely comfortable for him, and he said that in the future he would like to try it at a higher level.

    A medium size male ingested 250mg orally on an empty stomach and found it to be almost entirely without effect. At T+3.5 he decided to insufflate 200 mg and found the effects to be very powerful and unique. He was impressed with the overall nature of the material and said it was definitely a bit on the "pushy" side. He commented that he was looking forward to exploring it again at a slightly lower level, perhaps 150mg insufflated.

    A medium size female smoked 100mg of Hcl salt with a slight effect. (We have since confirmed with additional experimentation that the Hcl salt form of DPT does not work very well for smoking). She then decided to insufflate 200mgs and was rather quickly catapulted into a heavy duty freak out. Need we say more?

    Two medium size females and one large size male smoked a bowl containing an estimated 100mg of DPT freebase (see preparation section). Each person took a small hit from the bong and passed it along. On the second hit they reported instant access into the space and remained there for 20 minutes. They commented on how non-confrontational and nice it was compared to DMT. "Like DMT space without all those pesky entities poking at you", one said. They all liked the fact that the window of DPT was open for a much longer duration than with smoked DMT. The smoking process was easier and much more relaxed, as it's not so essential to get in large amounts of vapor within the shortest possible time frame as it is with DMT.

    PROCEDURES

    Preparation of Solution for Intramuscular Injection: I carefully measured out 1g of DPT Hcl and initially placed it into precisely 10ml of sterile 0.9% nacl solution. It would hardly dissolve at all so I further diluted it to a total of 30cc, still having some difficulty getting it to all go into solution. Applying a small amount of heat (warm tap water bath) caused it to immediately go into solution and stay in solution. It may have gone into solution at the 10ml/gm with a small amount of heat, but I'll have to leave that for future experiments. This was all done using strict sterile technique, the only material being nonsterile was the dpt. The solution was then run thru a sterile millipore (.2ug) filter for a final concentration of about 30mg/ml.

    Conversion of Hcl salt to freebase: 2g of DPT Hcl was dissolved in 150ml of water. It was difficult to get the crystals to go into solution and it required a small amount of heat. Be careful not to apply too much heat, as DPT is very heat sensitive. Once the DPT was in solution the water mixture was added to a separatory funnel and ammonia hydroxide was then added dropwise to basify. After each drop I swirled the mixture to distribute the ammonia evenly, observing a white cloud of freebase forming out of solution. When it reached a ph 8-9, I added 75ml of chloroform. This mixture was swirled and thoroughly shaken for about 5-10 minutes with the chloroform layer settling on the bottom. The chloroform extraction was then poured off and saved in a flask. This process was repeated 3 more times, with each extraction requiring additional ammonia hydroxide to keep the ph level at 8-9. The last extraction was left to sit for 5 hours just to make sure that all of the DPT was recovered from the water solution. The combined chloroform extractions were then evaporated in a baking dish leaving a semi-clear-white DPT freebase oil behind. 2g of finely ground dried parsley was added to the baking dish and scraped and thoroughly mixed with a razor blade until the parsley was completely saturated. The mixture was still somewhat sticky but relatively easy to handle. It was then placed in a glass vial for easy use and storage.

    May your journeys into the light be conscious and fruitful...

  2. Privacy? NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I read this at The Slashdot Privacy Watch. You read their letter? I copy it for you:

    An Open Letter to VA Linux Concerning Privacy on Slashdot
    To whom it may concern,
    It has come to our attention that Slashdot is building a detailed database of every visitor and user of Slashdot. This database includes, among other personal details, an address history which permanently records every IP address assosciated with every Slashdot user and comment for all time. We are concerned that this database is a signifigant Intellectual Property asset that may be abused in the event of a sale of Slashdot by VA Linux to a third party.

    In addition, we feel that keeping a permanent and indelible record of every IP address used to post every Anonymous comment on Slashdot erases whatever hopes of anonymity that endangered or threatened users may have had. To name two examples, Chinese dissidents and corporate insiders can have no expectation of anonymously revealing civil rights violations and corporate abuse.

    It is our hope that given these concerns, VA Linux or Slashdot may choose to provide an opt-out option to users, whereby users could choose not to be tracked and profiled if they so request. Some discussion has been made of a Slashdot subscription service; perhaps one revenue stream for Slashdot would be to sell Privacy Rights. For a low yearly fee, a user could purchase the right not to be tracked, profiled, and logged by IP address.

    Whatever steps are taken, it is our hope that Slashdot will address the current privacy concerns in public to allay our fears and to promote open discussion.

    Thanks again for creating one of the most popular sites on the Internet, and all the best.

    -The Slashdot Privacy Watch Team.


    I don't know is this true or not?!? I mad AM!

  3. CmdrTaco Haiku by The+Turd+Report · · Score: -1

    CommanderTaco
    Boy, he loves to suck dick
    five dollars a shot

  4. troll fucking tuesday by Proctal+Relapse · · Score: -1

    by the power of Greyskull..... i have the POWER

  5. Offensive! by Guns+n'+Roses+Troll · · Score: -1
    The following phrase appeared on the top of Slashdot : This page was generated by a Team of Rabid Niggers for Guns n' Roses Troll (207208).

    As an African American, I take great offence at this and demand money from White people.

    1. Re:Offensive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      GNR SuX0R5!

    2. Re:Offensive! by The+Turd+Report · · Score: -1

      Well, you aren't going to get any money from these OSS guys. They might give you some stock in VALinux. Make them give you a shitload of them; they are only worth $1.30 per share.

    3. Re:Offensive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
      read my big fat nigger lips.. kiss my big black smell, greasy headed, watermelon loving, chicken craving ass you nigger! slashdot is a racist website against us niggers! it is also a homosexual website. jonkatz fucks cmdrtaco's asshole till it bleeds every night and then hemos comes over and licks the blood up.

      cdpb

    4. Re:Offensive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...kiss my big black smell, greasy headed,...

      where exactly is your "smell"?

      stupid cock nigger!

    5. Re:Offensive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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    6. Re:Offensive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you cock-sucking,

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      vaginal blood fart!

  6. Spiderman by Fucky+the+troll · · Score: -1

    spiderman

    does whatever a spider can

    Apply this theory to ironman.





    it's all going to shit, mon ami

    --






    Roadkill is yummy.
    1. Re:Spiderman by The+Turd+Report · · Score: -1

      Dude, that is pretty deep stuff there. Woah...

    2. Re:Spiderman by Fucky+the+troll · · Score: -1

      well today is, y'know, a deep day.

      Congratulations on your excellent trolling record by the way. You're an inspiration to us all.

      ONWARD!

      --






      Roadkill is yummy.
  7. CmdrTaco's madness, a short story by The+Turd+Report · · Score: -1

    "Slashdot is running so well, now that all the trolls have been removed," CmdrTaco said as he pushed back in his chair.
    The Aeron slid back towards the couch. The compound was quiet. Most of the staff had gone out for the night. CmdrTaco tuned his MP3 player on. The latest Pet Shop Boys remix started playing. He had just liberated the song from the evil recording industry. CmdrTaco opened a bottle of Bawls and took a long pull on it.
    "That is wonderful stuff," CmdrTaco commented to himself.
    Another person enters the office. It is a vision of beauty. Natalie Portman walks over to the couch and sits down. There is a light scent of flowers in the air. Soft light shines on Natalie's face.
    "Did you say something?" Natalie asks.
    "Oh, I was just talking about how great Slashdot is now that I have killed off all the trolls. And look, VALinux's stock has risen three whole cents. Everything is wonderful," CmdrTaco exclaims.
    "Uh huh," Natalie absentmindedly responds.
    CmdrTaco decide to take a walk around the compound. He gets out of his chair and swishes over to the door. Out in the hallway it is dark and quiet. The low hum of the servers can be heard from the NOC down the hall. CmdrTaco starts to walk, his footsteps echoing down the hall.
    "First post," a voice shouts out at CmdrTaco.
    CmdrTaco spins around and faces the noise. He is confronted by a tall, shadowy figure. It's hand pointing at CmdrTaco. The Free Dymitri shirt that CmdrTaco is wearing starts to stick to him as he sweats.
    "What did you say?, "CmdrTaco asks.
    "BSD is dying," the figure moans.
    "Who the fuck are you? What are you doing here?" Taco quickly asks.
    "I am Sunken Kursk," the figure replies.
    "You can't be him. I IP banned him. Who are you really?" a slightly shaken CmdrTaco says.
    "I am Dead Fart Warrior," the figure moans.
    "He is IP banned too, "CmdrTaco screams.
    CmdrTaco turns around and starts running again. The figure takes chase. Gliding along behind CmdrTaco. They race towards the garage.
    "Stephen King: dead at age 54," the figure moans at CmdrTaco. "Imagine a beowulf cluster of these."
    CmdrTaco makes it to the garage. He slams the door behind him. A sigh of relief escapes CmdrTaco's lips. The Slashdot Cruiser is there. It is a symbol of all things Slashdot. CmdrTaco takes a step towards it. The tinted window rolls down. It is the shadowy figure.
    "I have hot grits in my pants," the figure moans.
    CmdrTaco yells, "Who are you? What do you want?"
    "I am Fecal Troll Matter. I am Trollaxor. I am cyborg_monkey," the figure states.
    CmdrTaco dashes back out the door. He runs, panicked, towards his office. His footsteps are quick and heavy. It is the fastest CmdrTaco has ever run in his life. The door to the office is infront of him. He can feel the coldness of the figure behind him. He can feel it's eyeless gaze. CmdrTaco makes it through the door and locks it closed. He rushes over to Natalie and slumps down in the seat.
    "Oh, Natalie, what is going on? Is there anyone who can help me understand what is happening? Who can make everything alright?" Taco asks between heavy gasps for air.
    Natalie floats upwards from the couch and towards the center of the room. A bright and warm light fills the office. There is the light scent of roses and the singing of angels. Natalie has disappeared. OSM now stands where she had been. OSM is smiling.
    "Crap," CmdrTaco whines.
    OSM points behind CmdrTaco. CmdrTaco turns to see what OSM is pointing at. The shadowy figure is there. A dozen other shadowy figures are there as well. They all point at CmdrTaco. CmdrTaco tries to talk, but his mouth will not open. Only grunts and moans are heard from the mute CmdrTaco.
    "They want you to feel the pain they go through, CmdrTaco," OSM says. "I am going to make everything alright for the world. Have a nice seventy-two hours."
    OSM fades away, smiling and nodding at CmdrTaco the whole time. CmdrTaco looks around in fear; he has no idea as to what is going to happen. He is standing in a puddle of his own sweat and piss. The shadowy figures of IP banned trolls close around CmdrTaco. CmdrTaco tries to yell but he still can not; he tries to run, but the trolls just push him back in to the circle. The trolls all pull out clubs, they are labeled: "Flamebait, Troll, Redundant, or Overrated". They start to hit CmdrTaco. Not hard enough to kill him, or to knock him out, but hard enough that it hurts. Everywhere CmdrTaco tries to go, a troll with a club is there to hit him. The trolls stop hitting CmdrTaco. He wonders if it is over, if he can just pass out now. The trolls make an opening in their circle. Three people approach. It is Jon Katz, Michael Simms, and Timmah. Hey have rock hard cocks in one hand and 20oz jars of Astroglide in the other. They stare lustfully at CmdrTaco. CmdrTaco stares back, knowing what is going to come next. The screams of ecstasy and agony are heard for miles.

    1. Re:CmdrTaco's madness, a short story by Fucky+the+troll · · Score: -1

      I don't know what you just said little kid, but you' special.. You reached out.. and touched a brother' heart... *sniff*

      --






      Roadkill is yummy.
    2. Re:CmdrTaco's madness, a short story by The+Turd+Report · · Score: -1

      Fucking MS Word, bitch...

    3. Re:CmdrTaco's madness, a short story by Guns+n'+Roses+Troll · · Score: -1

      Today I dedicate my life to Jesus Crust.

  8. Its all a bit too positive for me. by Anton+Anatopopov · · Score: 2, Informative
    Doesn't match the reality of idiotic management and ludicrous deadlines that seem to be the trademark of the technology industry.

    A far more insightful source is Ed Yourdon's books the Mythical Man Month, and Death March.

    The sooner everyone, developers, management and consumers realise that to develop good software takes time, and money, the sooner we can all start to enjoy bug-free well written reliable software.

    Until then, we are stuck with the 'good enough' model.

    1. Re:Its all a bit too positive for me. by pointym5 · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Mythical Man Month was written by Fred Brooks, not Ed Yourdon.

    2. Re:Its all a bit too positive for me. by KnightStalker · · Score: 3, Redundant

      The Mythical Man Month was written by Fred Brooks.

      --
      * And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
    3. Re:Its all a bit too positive for me. by jdavidb · · Score: -1, Troll

      Anton, Ed Yourdon didn't write The Mythical Man Month. It was Fred Brooks, of IBM. I keep this book on my shelf. Everyone ought to read it once a year; it's gets better every time.

    4. Re:Its all a bit too positive for me. by KnightStalker · · Score: 2


      Damned psychotic moderators. This is not redundant. My comment was redundant. Actually all the comments saying "this was written by Brooks" were redundant, but this one was posted first. This should therefore be rated Informative, and *my* comment should be Redundant, even though I posted at +2.

      If you're a moderator, read at 0 or at least +1, and think about what you're moderating, dammit!

      And for that matter, the parent shouldn't be overrated, as he was entirely correct, except for the author of The Mythical Man Month.
      </rant>

      --
      * And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
    5. Re:Its all a bit too positive for me. by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Time, yes, but the money part doesn't always apply in the world of open source. The Linux kernel is a prime example of good software that took a hellacious amount of time but no money.

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
  9. Just a bunch of buzzwords by sting3r · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Although my employer doesn't specialize in web development, per se, my boss read this book a few weels ago and he couldn't help but fall over laughing at it. We were talking about it the other day and he told me it was all simply common sense and general tips that anybody in the business would already know. The book is just a collection of buzzwords, often misused, that describe the same thing you've already been doing. How else can you explain the section headings: "Defining the Project, Developing Site Structure, Visual Design & Testing, Production & QA, and Launch & Beyond"? Give me a break. Anybody who can't figure these basic concepts out on their own doesn't belong in the computer industry. I'm sorry, but I just can't recommend this book.

    -sting3r

    1. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      word up. geez, isn't this covered the first day of comp/sci 101? I'll bet he harps for a whole chapter on the importance of indentation and commenting your code. Anyone ever seen the google html source?

    2. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by pmz · · Score: 1

      This may all be very true, but, unfortunately, common sense is less common than it should be, even among very intelligent people. While books, such as the Mythical Man Month, are excellent, insightful, and inspiring, they are only part of the reciple for making good management. These books paired with someone who is predisposed to being a good manager makes for project heaven. Such books paired with Dilbert characters results in comedy only.

    3. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

      . We were talking about it the other day and he told me it was all simply common sense and general tips that anybody in the business would already know.

      You might be surprised at how un-common common sense actually is...

    4. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the projects fail because lack of 'common sense'. Developers and Project Managers tend to ignore, or forget key concepts and procedures during crunch time. This books sounds like it would help with organizing the life cycle of a web project, which IMHO is the biggest key to success. It does this by explicitly stating what we already know we should be doing...not necessarily a bad idea for a book.

      You sat that...

      >Anybody who can't figure these basic concepts out on their own doesn't belong in the computer industry.

      and I don't disagree. But the fact remains, people like this DO exist in the computer industry, and are probably in the majority.

    5. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by DaoudaW · · Score: 1

      In my experience (10 years as a programmer, DP manager, et al., 10 years as an educator) ideas which are well-developed and clearly explained always seem like commonsense. I've worked with people like your boss. In general they are big on what they could've done, but don't have alot to show for it. Hopefully that doesn't describe your boss...

      I think the book looks quite useful. Check out the Table of Contents and this Sample Chapter

    6. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're an idiot and your mother dresses you funny.

    7. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by Nater · · Score: 2

      You might be surprised at how un-common common sense actually is...

      ...To the extent that I wonder why anyone bothers to call it common. Some people call it "horse sense". I guess horses generally don't die doing stupid shit.

      --

      I like to play children's songs in minor keys.
      "We're all sons of bitches now." --J. Robert Oppenheimer

    8. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by arkanes · · Score: 1

      You mean like running so long that thier hearts explode instead of telling the guy riding them to screw off, or drinking too much water after a long run and distending thier stomach to the point where they die?

    9. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by rbeattie · · Score: 1


      Waitasecond. Did YOU read this book? Have you made an informed decision based on YOUR experience. Or are you just letting your boss do your thinking? If not, maybe it's YOU that doesn't belong in the computer industry.

      -Russ

      --
      Me
    10. Re:Just a bunch of buzzwords by fferreres · · Score: 1

      Common sense can't be bought nor learned. Common sense can only be copied for a specific situtation. As soon as something changes a bit, that guy is back his "nonsense" world and has to read another "common sense" book.

      And that's how things work for most companies! The look at your CV to learn what courses you where in (copied common sense) and what you do know. They don't ask you how devoted and determined you are and how much common sense you are endowed with.

      This is a generalization that represents the mayority of the cases. And of course, there are some people with "titles" and common sense as well as companies that will ask you "how would you deal this situation" in the interviews or test you for "common senseness".

      --

      --
      unfinished: (adj.)
  10. And by Bob+Abooey · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    |.- - - -- - - -.|
    | |
    | Bababooey |
    | to you all |
    | _ _ _ _ __ _ |
    ' - -- . . - - - '
    | _|/
    | ." ".
    | /(o)-(o)\
    /_)| / |
    |_)| '- |
    \_)\ '.___.' / |\/|_
    | \ \_/ / _| '/
    |_\ \.___./ \ ) /
    \ \_/\__/\__ ==|
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    `\ /\ / |
    ; | \____/
    | | |

    --

    All the best,
    --Bob

    1. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Hey Bob,

      thought you'd be all over the Linux Kernel debate. You're slowing down in your old age.

      Big Ol' Troll

    2. Re:And by Guns+n'+Roses+Troll · · Score: -1

      Your mouth is terrible... to me
      Your mouth is horrible... Gary
      Can't you see, can't you see?
      Those big green moldy choppers...
      They just can't fit underneath..
      Your dentist is pitiful... Gary...

    3. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your a goddess your a demon
      i love the way you drink my semon

      your breasts are like fluffy pillows
      my penis is small compared to your dildos

  11. Harsh, but fair by yatest5 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    (and don't you dare mod me off topic - its first rule of having a web domain innit???)

    Education site replaced by porn

    Web posted on 30/10/01 And for once, it's not the work of hackers.

    An educational web site run by accountancy group Ernst & Young has been replaced with a site promising '160,000 uncensored XXX Teen Pics'. Before you blame the evil hackers, this little problem has been created by the Ernst & Young accountants, who didn't renew the domain www.moneyopolis.org for another year. If they'd have done it through GetDotted.com it would have cost just £19.99 for 2 years, fully inclusive of all fees. Sorry.

    The site used to used as an educational accountancy game (boy, that sounds fun) and was used as a teaching aid by educational establishments. However, when the domain came up for renewal, the bods at Ernst & Young neglected it and anyone who wishes to pop in and check on their favourite accountancy game may find themselves staring at an altogether different kind of education. Ernst & Young have issued a warning to all users of the game, urging them to change their bookmarks. Yeah, let's all change our bookmarks from porn to accountancy.

    --
    • Mod parent up! [a] by Anonymous Coward (Score:5) Thurs, June 31, @13:37
    1. Re:Harsh, but fair by jsin · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Is someone going to mod down this illiterate off-topic post?

    2. Re:Harsh, but fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      mummy mummy i wet my pants agaiN!

  12. go listen to Staind, you new-metal faggot by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

    you wouldn't know good rock & roll if it raped you in a handicapped stall. hail and kill!!

    1. Re:go listen to Staind, you new-metal faggot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      heh? new-metal does sucks. try to listen to music that has a lot more soul in it. blues maybe?

  13. Play it again Sam by jsin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it's funny that we think our problems as web developers are new. It is easy to parallel the problems we have writing software with any other industry that involves engineering and marketing, how arrogant of us to beleive that we are any different.

    I suggest picking up any systems design and analysis book from the '70s for starters if you're looking for guidance as a developer, and if you need a bigger-picture view, read up on the industrial revolution.

    1. Re:Play it again Sam by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      one of the biggest problems in commercial software development is the idea that your group is the first ones to come across this particular problem, and that you have to weave your solution out of whole cloth.

      the programming field has left its "arts" phase a long time ago - as in - everything is new, so everything is a work of art. This is when most software people were graduating with Computer Arts degrees.

      It is currently at the end of its "scientific" phase, computer science degrees are the norm. This basically means that we are able to repeat what we're doing, and are beginning to make processes out of it, and to make some solid foundations.

      The next phase will be an engineering phase, where we refine the scientific techniques to be finely, highly efficient production processes.

      at least, i think...

      --
      ... hi bingo ...
    2. Re:Play it again Sam by jsin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree.

      I spent the last year trying to find solutions to the development problems we are having by reading many "modern" books about managing projects, the trade-offs between cost and quality, and the conflicts between the developer, manager and customer perspectives and while I did find several usefull books on particular aspects (code complete, the humane interface, etc), I struggled to find something that put universal meaning to the whole picture.

      At this point I began to look outside of the industry and see if I could find parallels in other facets of business. Indeed, I didn't have to look far as my first shot (the automotive industry) was an almost perfect analogy.

      If you look at the early days of the automobile, there were many companies who were strapping motors to horse-carts and selling this as a solution (simular to some of the first online shopping cart solutions). These vehicles were not very efficient or safe, and seldom out-performed what they were designed to replace (horses and steam-engines), but for the eccentric few who desired to be on the "cutting edge", they did the trick, and they did prove the concept.

      The next step was to improve the device itself, improve reliabilty, performance, efficiency etc. This required more expertiese and refined the list of "manufacturers" to companies who had enough engineering expertise to understand the underlying principals involved (mechanics, power, etc) and make improvements at that level. This improved the device but conversely increased the expense beyond simply the cost of the parts. The next step was to engineer the "product".

      The most significant event at this stage was Ford and the assembly line, which was able to make up for the up-front investment in engineering by reducing the cost of manufacturing.

      After this stage we bounce between the engineering of the device and the engineering of the product, continually refining actual features and coming up with new ways to convince people they need to buy them.

      This is where I beleive software is today. I think that consumers are generally smart enought to know the difference between a quality application and a cheap one, but are willing to settle based on cost (the reason you don't see duesenburgs anymore (I'm not sure about the spelling)).

    3. Re:Play it again Sam by alienmole · · Score: 2

      Enormous, huge problem with your argument: software is not a single-purpose product, like a car. The software field as a whole represents a potentially infinite family of products, most of which have nothing to do with each other. You might apply your logic to a particular type of program - accounting programs, for example - and then it might be relevant. But businesses are continually developing requirements for new, custom products. The day this becomes static is the day that all progress stops.

    4. Re:Play it again Sam by fusiongyro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A couple things about your argument...

      The next phase will be an engineering phase, where we refine the scientific techniques to be finely, highly efficient production processes.

      This was basically Bertrand Meyer's argument in Object Oriented Software Construction. Because object-oriented software lets us make everything into components, soon everything will already be implemented in these components, and then we'll have nothing but catalogues of components. Making software that works will be a matter of selecting the proper objects from the huge set of existing objects, not writing new objects (except glue code, I suppose).

      One counter-argument to this is the fact that this paradigm never really took off. Even now, with COM, COM+, CORBA, XPCOM, Kparts, etc. the complexity of large scale reusability is such a large barrier, people would rather reimplement the stuff. The good CORBA book is larger than The C++ Programming Language. This is not a win for small developers, learning developers, or hobbyist developers.

      Secondly, think about the personality types that are attracted to a given profession. Granted, computer science proper is mostly mathematical. But coders, developers, BS degree-bearing computer scientists, and information technology majors are not engineering types. If you've heard of the Meyers-Briggs test, you might notice that programmers and their ilk are all *highly* intuitive people. Engineers are not intuitive, they are much heavier on the logic side of things. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

      Third, I just don't see the early days of computer science as being very artsy. Most computer science programs today sprang from mathematics programs yesterday, barring a few strange exceptions like CMU. Fortran and assembly are not exactly expressive languages. Lisp is, and there is still a coterie of functional Lisp/Schemers out there.

      Algorithms tend to be conjured up in the dark via black magic or intuition. How did C. A. R. Hoare invent Quicksort? There's no formula for making algorithms. But by the same token--if it were artistic, there would be more than the rather small number of sorting algorithms we have.

      Plus, if you track programming languages, we seem to be tending towards more expressive languages and less towards stricter languages. FORTRAN has a lot of bizarre limitations, but as we all know, Perl will try very hard to execute line noise. Modern languages are starting to support function currying again, bringing us back to the Y-combinator and other idols of functional programming. We're in the midst of a bit of a strange renaissance with dozens of usable operating systems and hundreds of languages. Ever heard of CHILL? Every installation of GCC on Linux compiles four languages: C, C++, Objective C and Chill.

      If this is getting a bit fuzzy, compare it to the trends in music of late. In the beginning, there was classical music, which was composed by many but only geniuses are truly remembered for it. This was the case for an extremely long time, compared to the trends of just the past 50 years. Then, with the advent of rock and roll, everything we used to know is thrown out of the window. But I could make a very good argument that since the 50's, there have been alternating periods of individualism versus genre-ism, stagnation versus creation, and combination versus invention. Take the 50's: there was basically one sound, and everybody was doing it. The 60's roll around, and suddenly rock is moving in a million directions again. The name of the group or the genre becomes more important than the person behind it. Then, in the 70's, we return to the persistance of a few simple genres with the name of the individuals being more important. Singer/songwriters and so forth.

      The essential problem with taking this perspective on either computing or music, is that it doesn't take into account the exponential increase in the amount of producers and consumers of the product (be it music or information technology). If I try and sell you my alternating-decade theory of musical progress, what was the dominant music form in the 90's? For that matter, what programming environment is most prevalent today? You're tempted to say object-oriented, but what fraction of GNU/BSD applications are actually written in something besides C? At my school, exactly one course teaches you object-oriented principles in the computer science department, and it is the survey of programming languages class. However, the new IT program certainly takes it into account more. But which programming languages are actually the most prevalent these days? About the only thing you can do is rank them in order of usage:

      Structured (C) > Object-Oriented (Python) > Functional (Lisp) > Logical (PROLOG)

      Computing no longer is centralized enough to have a single ideology. There is no process going on which is holding computer science to anyone's prediction anymore.

    5. Re:Play it again Sam by n-baxley · · Score: 1

      While what you're saying may be true on the coding side, I think that too much of that has spilled over into page layout and user interface design. All webpages are beginning to look exatly the same, there is no variety. I'm not someone to design a user interface that has no labels and all the text is super small, but there is something to be said for thinking outside of the box when designing a webpage's look and feel. There are many "pure programmers" that can't pull it off. You have to be able to think like "normal user", not a programmer.

  14. Experts by 1alpha7 · · Score: 1

    experts like . . . David Siegel

    Please save us from "experts" like this. Good book anyway, though.

    1Alpha7

    --
    Live to be Moderated
    1. Re:Experts by mkelley · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with David Siegel, he created some of the first books on web development and web design and is an expert in the field. If anyone is an expert it's him. Who do you want instead?

      --

      m.kelley
      life is like a freeway, if you don't look you could miss it.
  15. Does it bring up the relevant stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Does is tech how to flip burgers? After all, thats the most crusial skill for any open source programmer.

  16. MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE LINUX DISK OPERATION SYSTEM by egg+troll · · Score: -1

    I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying technology.

    I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult for, we wanted to integrate Linux into our server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.

    I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3 machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say the results were less than impressive... We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a "server" based operating system. The 3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise" environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour, we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the Linux boxes.

    Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the same freedoms as the GPL.

    As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming, but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your only choices.

    thank you.

    --

    C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
  17. Is This For Real? by Patrick+McRotch · · Score: -1, Redundant
    I just found this [slashdot.org] at the Slashdot Privacy Watch [slashdot.org] page. This article (and the others posted by Slashdot Privacy Watch) present some seriously scary possibilities. I'm posting this in order to have your comments, CmdrTaco.

    What is the Slashdot Customer Profile?

    Slashdot is owned by VA Linux, and VA Linux is a for-profit Corporation. This means that, like other corporations, Slashdot must maintain a customer profile for every user (yes, even you Anonymous Cowards!). These customer profiles are kept in Slashdot's master MySQL database, which is archived on a frequent basis to preserve VA Linux's valuable Intellectual Property rights to its' customer information. The Customer Profile contains many fields, such as the email address you used to register your Slashdot account. In addition, it contains these fields [slashdot.org] which are accessed in users.pl [slashcode.com], line 1898.

    They're Tracking WHAT?

    You may have noticed that the Customer Profile contains a field called $iplist. You're not dreaming, this is a list of every IP address anyone has used to access Slasdot - ever. Slashdot has a perfectly legitimate reason [slashdot.org] for maintaining these detailed records on every customer. However, while every Slashdot user understands that the privacy of each Slashdot user is paramount to the current management of Slashdot, we must also understand that Slashdot is property, and that it has been bought - and sold - before. Therefore we must not consider the implication of the existence of Slashdot Customer Profiling under the existing management, but rather the implications under any future management.

    Who Would Want my IP?

    Let's assume, for the sake of argument only, that VA Linux decides to sell Slashdot to DoubleClick [doubleclick.com] in order to boost its' short-term cash supply. Doubeclick would be looking at Slashdot mainly as an Intellectual Property asset, and its' customer database as the primary portion of that asset (because Slaschode is GPL'd). How, then, can VA Linux maximize the resale value of Slashdot's Intellectual Property assets? By tracking every possible piece of information. The list of IP addresses used by every Slashdot user, reverse-correlated by email, would provide a very lucrative marketing tool to a would-be buyer of Slashdot. Doubleclick could use this Intellectual Property to:

    • Correlate web hits to member sites by IP address, sending an email to every Slashdot user who visits a target site.
    • Correlate web hits by IP address and present customized content to each Slashdot user who visits a target site, for instance: "Welcome to Superdomains.com, Slashdot user Jamie!"

    It is easy to see why recording the IP profiles of every Slashdot customer maximizes the value of the Slashdot Customer Database. The question is, should you be given the option to opt-out?



    Last time I posted this, I was immediately censored. Please distribute this and other Slashdot Privacy Watch publications extensively until CmdrTaco responds satisfactorily.
  18. Book's web site fails to validate as standard HTML by peter+hoffman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The companion web site of the book (at www.web-redesign.com) fails to validate as standard HTML when tested by validator.w3.org. What else needs to be said?

  19. Or...Re:Does it bring up the relevant stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Cleaning toilets, thats a very important service and support business :)

  20. FREE DEAD PENIS BIRD!! by TrollMan+5000 · · Score: -1

    DEAD PENIS BIRD, A REFORMING TROLL, HAS SUFFERED UNDUE BANNING AND MENTAL ANGUISH, THANKS TO TACO AND CO.'S EXCESSIVE AND UNNECESSAY BITCHSLAPPING POLICY!

    Check out this comment and that comment.

    This morning, when I logged in roughly 9 AM EDT, the comments were rated 5 and 4 respectively. Now they picked up a total of 6 "Overrated" mods. What's most strange about this is that NO BAN has been tripped.

    This reeks of editor abuse. How a fairly old comment can pick up FOUR "Overrated" mods in such a short span can be explained in no other way.

    You'd figure that Taco and Co. would love to see a troll change his ways and post some meaningful stuff. Apparently this is not the case. "Once a troll, always a troll" is their motto.

    I was looking forward to the challenge of reforming a troll. But their shortsighted ways have proved otherwise. Fuck 'em with a broomstick, I say.

  21. I'm Outraged by jamie+on · · Score: -1, Troll
    Hi, Jamie McCarthy here.


    I just discovered that Slashdot tracks users by IP adress and generates detailed profiles on users. We also ban and censor those with unpopular political views. And all this time, I though I was against censorware. Well, I'm outraged at myself, too.

  22. damn... he trolled a 4 digit guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    yhbt.

    1. Re:damn... he trolled a 4 digit guy... by Anton+Anatopopov · · Score: 1
      Hey, I made a mistake, Fred Brooks did write the mythical man month. I was not attempting to 'troll' slashdot.

      And you should realise that it is possible to create more than one user account on slashdot, and that it is quite easy to brute force the password system. Both of these facts mean that a UID number is no indication of the length of time a given individual has been reading slashdot.

    2. Re:damn... he trolled a 4 digit guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      yhbt. yhl. hand.

    3. Re:damn... he trolled a 4 digit guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      omfg. rofl. a/s/l????

  23. Your .sig. by TrollMan+5000 · · Score: -1

    My, what a gay .sig you have there, little boy!

  24. Good book, but what's with the smart quotes? by Bloody+Peasant · · Score: 1, Troll

    ... in the review, that is. On most *nix based browsers (mozilla, probably netscape too) these appear as question marks. This is usually a sign of a document generated in m$ word or some such.

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    1. Re:Good book, but what's with the smart quotes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this link will help:

      http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=h yp ocrite

    2. Re:Good book, but what's with the smart quotes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's usually a sign that your computer doesn't support the charset the designer used, or that your browser is set to the wrong charset.

    3. Re:Good book, but what's with the smart quotes? by Bloody+Peasant · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's usually a sign that your computer doesn't support the charset the designer used, or that your browser is set to the wrong charset.

      Well, then the designer didn't write it for the ISO-8859-1 (Western) Character coding. Plus, the quotes don't show up at all in opera, netscape, and lynx.

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    4. Re:Good book, but what's with the smart quotes? by brlewis · · Score: 2

      Obviously MSFT-charset quotes are not really smart. You should have used double quotes to qualify that adjective, like this: what?s with the ?smart? quotes?

      Check out demoronizer if using perl and the brl-msft-escape function if using BRL.

  25. Blech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This book is pretty darn basic. It touches on a lot of great concepts, but the book itself has a very hard user interface. For instance it's hard to tell which pictures apply to which captions, or in which order to look at pictures.

    Ironic considering the subject, don't ya think?

    Want a great book on the web? Read "Don't Make Me Think".

  26. CmdrTaco's hot arabian night by October_30th · · Score: -1, Troll
    My night out
    Copyright (C) 2001 CmdrTaco

    Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation

    With one hand in my pocket I was rubbing my hardon and with the other I was trying to flag down a cab, all up it'd been a lousy night.

    Being 29 years old I made a point to avoid the clubs but I didn't mind the pubs. I didn't have the kind of body gay guys seem to go for, the muscle in my arms and legs was their but it didn't have that self-consciousness about it, it was just everyday muscle, nothing special and lacking any real definition due to the ever increasing body fat. I didn't give a fuck really, I had pale white skin and maybe too much hair in some places and not enough in others but I always thought I wasn't that bad to look at, besides I was a decent kind of guy so if that was a problem well, fuck em'. At least that's what my geek compound friends and other Slashdot folk tend to tell me.

    Feeling light headed from the beers I'd drank at the pub I'd let my friend Jon grope me between two cars in the parking lot, both of us had worked up decent stiff poles in our trousers and it'd seemed only natural to make our way back to my flat across town. I was just about to suggest we make a move when a woman's voice yelled out across the lot 'Jon, we've gotta go NOW! I know you're out there. I just hope you're not molesting some misunderstood geek guy 'cos I sure as hell am not gonna bail you out this time!'. Turned out Jon had been drinking with his sister and two friends at a pub nearby and his sister had met an ex-boyfriend and started carrying on about some bullshit in their past. I really didn't give a fuck about all that but Jon reluctantly said he had to go because of some fuckin' reason or other. By then it was getting onto 2:00 a.m, the bars were closing up and I couldn't handle going to a club so with my hardon straining against the fly of my khaki's I made my way out to the street and started searching for a cab. Absentmindedly I rubbed my cock through the lining of my pockets and ran through my mind the things I'd hoped to be doing with that guy Jon before the whole plan was shot to hell by his sister.

    After 15 minutes I hadn't seen one cab that wasn't booked or full, the frustration was building up in me and so all I wanted to do was get home and jack off as a release. As I was trying to see through the traffic if the cab half a block down was trying to do a U-turn towards me another cab must've seen my hand raised as it glided to a stop next to me. The driver leant forward and looked at me "where you going?" He'd driven up so fast I hadn't seen him so with a jerk of my arm I pulled my hand out of my pocket, leaning forward to hide the rise in my trousers I gave him my address. With a barely noticeable glance at my crotch the driver nodded his head and told me to get in. "You very lucky, I just start work for tonight. You my first fare" "Yeah, great. I've been trying for twenty minutes" We'd pulled out into the street but in this part of town, at this time of night it wasn't long before we ground to a halt in the heavy traffic. The driver was an Arab guy, the ID on the dash gave his name as Ahmed, from the street lights I could see he was early to mid thirties, even so his moustache and unshaven face had the light covering I'd usually associate with a younger guy. As he looked around us and muttered about the traffic I had a chance to see his face, his full looking lips had a slight glint of saliva on them, his skin was dark and I could just make out some slight old acne scars - I try to avoid generalising but his nose, eyebrows and the thick but cut short black curly hair were what I'd call Arab looking.

    He wasn't skinny, I wouldn't call him fat but he was solid, it was obvious someone must of fed him well and regularly. He was a good looking guy but as with most middle eastern blokes I always assume they're straight so I turned and looked out the opposite window. A few times he half heartedly blew the cabs horn but as we inched along the crowded street it soon became obvious to him that no matter what we weren't going anywhere in a hurry. With a barely audible sigh he relaxed in his seat and accepted the wait. As I looked out the window at the other cars and pedestrians I could feel the driver looking at me, with a small cough I shifted in my seat and pretended not to know. I wasn't in a talking mood and I didn't wanna hear his gripes about the traffic.

    "Where you been tonight?" he asked.

    "Maloney's". Looking at him as he nodded his head I guessed he knew that this pub got alot of gay men in it. "Now you go home alone"

    "Yeah. It was going well but he had to leave" Making it known that it was men I was into I felt my flaccid cock shift slightly in my briefs.

    "Did you touch his cock?" This question shocked me, so damn direct but I wasn't gonna complain. I wasn't sure if he was interested or subtly taunting a guy he assumed was some western slut - stereotypes kind of figure loud in first meetings. 'Fuck it' I thought to myself I'll play along either way. "I was just about to but he had to leave"

    "Did you touch his arse?" "Yeah, I got my hand down the back of his trousers" This was crap, I didn't get that far but the glint in Ahmed's eyes made a few lies worth it.

    "Then what did you do?" "I rubbed one of his arse cheeks and ran my finger along the edge of his crack" "This men's arse is like a cunt to you?"

    "Yep. Anything you do with a cunt I do with a man's arse"

    By now Ahmed wasn't bothered by the traffic, shifting his thighs on the beaded seat cover, I could tell he was trying to adjust his own stiffening cock. Raising my hips slightly I made it clear that I was enjoying this conversation, my dick had stiffened at an awkward angle so the tent in my trousers was uncomfortable but for the moment I decided not to use my hand to adjust it.

    "Do you lick these men's arse?"

    "Only if they're clean, if they are I kiss their puckered hole"

    At the same time we adjusted our cocks as they strained against the fabric of our trousers. I didn't know how far Ahmed would want to take this but I was going to push it as much as I could.

    "Do you let them finger your hole?"

    "If they lick it first, yeah I do"

    "Do you put your finger in their arse?"

    "Yeah, I..."

    The loud prolonged beeping horn of the car behind us made it clear that the traffic was moving. With his stiff cock tenting his black trousers Ahmed momentarily concentrated on the road, coming up to an intersection we turned left and headed towards one of the main roads that wove through the quieter commercial part of town. Their was few cars on these roads so I could divert Ahmend's attention. Leaning over to him I tentatively rubbed at the rock solid bulge in his trousers, with a throaty moan he shifted his crotch so it pressed against the palm of my hand. Getting my hand under his slightly overhanging stomach I undid his belt and pulled his zipper down, lifting his arse out of his chair allowed me to pull his trousers down until they rested on his thick, dark and hairy thighs. His white y-front briefs strained and jutted into the air, through the slightly damp fabric I rubbed firmly on his meaty, heavy erection, the outline of the head of his cock was clearly visible through the fabric.

    Rubbing my thumb on the growing wet spot in the fabric over his piss slit I used my other hand to slide down his back until the tips brushed against the waistband of his briefs. Once again Ahmed lifted his heavy arse out of his seat, I guided my hand down the back of his briefs and rubbed at the light covering of course hair that trailed down his spine into his arse crack.

    Ahmed groaned deeply as my fingers began to journey down his sweaty arse crack, the clammy sweat between his cheeks spread across my palm...

    "Oaahh...Ahmed, I wanna lick ya' arse..."

    With a sudden swerve of the cab Ahmed drove down a side street between two darkened office blocks, gliding into a an empty car park we jolted to a stop. Ahmed kicked off his shoes, roughly took his trousers off then in one quick clumsy move he lent over the drivers seat, pushed his arse towards my face and lifting the shirt tail of his blue cab uniform offered his arse to me. His heavy arse was still covered by his large white y-fronts, two heavy mounds of flesh just inches from my face, by the light from the car park it wasn't hard to make out the dampness along the fabric over his crack. Hooking my fingers under his waistband I slid his briefs down to reveal two dark arse cheeks, the heady, musky aroma filled my nostrils as I breathed deep to experience the smell of a man's arse. Coarse hair lightly covered the cheeks, growing thicker along his crack I noticed that it thinned out closer to his puckered hole. Ahmed had began to slowly but strongly pound his stiff cock and rub it into the beaded seat cover...

    "You lick my hole now"

    As he said these words his slightly puffy arse lips twitched and contracted, spreading each hand over an arse cheek I lowered my face into the steamy, sweaty crevice. The clean, musky spiciness of his crack got me blinking my eye's trying to focus on the beauty of this Arab arse, lowering my lips onto the hole, the puckering arse lips met mine and I ground them into his hole.

    Ahmed's whole body jumped forward in ecstasy, the cab filled with the sounds of his groans and deep guttural sighs as I wiped my lips across this hidden opening, they soon became moist from the lust fuelled sweat that poured from Ahmed's skin. The dark hairs along his crack rasped against my cheeks as I began to push my tongue onto his hole, the clean exotic taste flowed through my body as my tongue slid across the top of the twitching flesh. Making small jabs of my tongue I managed to easily get my tongue past his arse ring until the hot muscle of his bowels squeezed tightly against this intruding tongue, pumping quickly I managed to work up spit which I pushed over my lips onto Ahmed's hole. Pushing it into his chute I could feel it relax and soften...

    "Oh man...oh man....ooahhh...lick me out...eat me...."

    Bringing my finger closer to his hole I took a couple of sloppy licks until they glistened with spit, resting my middle finger against his arse lips I began to push it against his hole....

    "Ahmed...push out...push out"

    Ahmed got the message and his arse lips grew and opened slightly, welcoming my finger as I rammed and burrowed into the warm, softness of his arse. With every thrust of my finger Ahmed's head rose in a grunt, pushing his arse closer to me I knew he wanted more so I slipped the second finger past his ring into the depth of his bowels.

    "You fuck my arse. You fuck me" Pulling my two fingers out of Ahmed's moist, smooth hole I wiped them on his slowly humping arse cheeks. Fumbling wildly at my zipper I wrenched my trousers down and hoisted my rock hard cock from out of my briefs, Ahmed looked back and smiled lustfully as he saw my circumcised cock head jutting out from my fist. I spat and dribbled onto my palm and slathered my cock shaft until it glistened in the street lights. Ahmed reached back and pulled his arse cheeks apart, strained his arse so it opened and contracted greedily, guiding my cock head onto his hole his twitching arse lips seemed to want to suck my shaft into his hot Arab tunnel.

    Placing the head onto his opening, I leaned forward, grab Ahmed's shoulder and pulled myself hard against his body, my cock head initially strained and pushed against the hole. Ahmed let out a groan of pain, lust and desire, grunting like an animal my cock head popped past his arse opening muscle then quickly I slid into his body, inching my way up his hole I watched as my cock shaft sunk between the dark hairs of this beautiful Arab. Riding and humping his body my cock prodded against the warm bowel muscles, digging deep into his guts as he pummeled at his cock, Ahemd's groans and grunts grew louder and faster my heavy pale thighs slapped sweatily against his upturned arse cheeks. The heat and musky aroma of cock digging into a man's arse rose up from our bodies and filled the cab the unmistakable smell of men's sweat.

    "Uh...huh...huh..." I could tell Ahmeds was close and from the way my taught shrunken balls nestled between his cheeks I knew I was close to. Deep inside his arse I felt the head of my cock tingle and harden even more...."ah...ah...Ahmed....I'm close....man....ah" With a glistening wet brow Ahmed looked over his shoulders into my eye's, glassy with lust he asked me to cum on his back..."blow your cum...on...my shirt....huh....huh". I was close. I was close....this fuckin' hot arab arse...."whoa...whoa...whoa".

    Suddenly Ahmed's whole body started to shake and buck "o...o...o...huh...huh..huh...huhhhhhh" His cumming cock blew his load hard against the seat....yanking my cock from his hole I had just enough time to start pumping at the greasy shaft...."ah...ah...ahh...ah...ahhh" ribbons of white cum shot out of my piss slit, splattering wildly across Ahmed's back it wasn't long before the blue fabric was coated in wild, wet strings of cum, soaking into the fabric his shirt clung to his body as the sweat and the cum plastered his uniform...still holding my slimy, arse sweat covered cock I grabbed at Ahmed's shirt tail and wiped the softening shaft clean...leaning forward into his wet back we both took long deep breaths of satisfaction. Ahmed's heavy body heaved under mine until our breathing was in unison....I did end up in the right place tonight.

    --
    The owls are not what they seem
  27. Buy an established web site and redesign it. by herve76 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Some web sites are now listing web sites for sale.
    So you can now buy a web site for cheap, and
    redesign it to make it great.

    Creabiz.com lists over 90 web sites for sale.

  28. Let me get this straight... (Halloween Special) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    As if recent events (attacks on the World Trade Centres, Anthrax Attacks) raising our collective conciousness into a state of terror wasn't bad enough, Halloween is just around the corner. Soon, a new terror, a spooky terror, will unfold as the souls of thousands of innocent civilians who died, raise from the dead on All Hallow's Eve to terrorise yawl's neighborhood. And you people have the gall to be discussing web redesign???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!

    The angry souls of the recent dead could give a good god damn about web redesign, instead preferring to wander the areas where they met their untimely ends, seeking out unwitting victims for retribution. By all means, on the evening of Hallowe'en, try to avoid the area around Ground Zero of the WTC, the area near the Pentagon, and the crash site in Pennsylvania unless you don't mind becoming a victim of terror (a very spooky terror indeed), yourself.

    You have been warned!

  29. The Perfect Snack by LinuxIsForAssholes · · Score: -1

    For years now I've wondered if science could give us a better snack. Science has done much good for us in the snack department. I'm not saying it hasn't been a long bumpy road. Let's think about this for a bit. The pretzel is a good snack, but insufficient on its own. I've always found it a bit bland. Especially on an airplane where I want and deserve a nut.
    But lets think about some other examples. The Granola bar had much potential. Especially it's chocolate covered variant, the Kudos bar. But at that point we've forsaken the health factor and you might as well just eath either a butterfinger or a nutrageous bar.

    Then there are things that put "Fruit" in the name to fool your brain into thinking that they are healthy. This never fools your ass... it continues to just get fatter and fatter. Leading examples in this category is the Fruit Roll Up.

    But today I discovered what may be the best snack ever. The Honey-Nut Chex Mix. Chex mix is great. It takes one of the only "Healthy" cereals that doesn't taste like crap, and mixes it up with the nuts that are now lacking in today's modern air craft. But I always wondered how to improve upon this design. Chocolate covering things is always a popular choice. Chocolate covered pretzels. Chocolate Covered Nuts. Chocolate Covered Chocolate. I mean, you can improve nearly anything by covering it in chocolate... at least so goes the theory. But I always foudn that overkill. Chocolate is like the one ton gorilla of candy. Sure it's powerful, but after you've let it ride you for a bit, you're just not gonna feel the same.

    But honey nut chex mix solves the problem. The deception of being "Healthy" because it contains chex. The joy of a prezel. Little pseudo nut clusters... and it's all covered in "Honey Nut" (literally translated: some sticky coating and sugar). It's not quite as sticky as eating pure chocolate, so it even solves the messy problem of eating much sugar or chocolate covered snacks. And it tastes good too!

    It's the perfect snack and it's all mine. Hands off biznatch.

    1. Re:The Perfect Snack by Guns+n'+Roses+Troll · · Score: -1
      I've always found it a bit bland. Especially on an airplane where I want and deserve a nut.

      Paging Jon Katz, paging Jon Katz. Your services are required in the airplane bathroom.

  30. Shameless bit of advertising on /. by LinuxIsForAssholes · · Score: -1

    Steve MacLaughlin wrote this review of Web ReDesign: Workflow that Works, a book which transcends its title to address much more than workflow, and more generally than just on the Web. Steve promises that your copy will soon be tattered and marked -- and that's a good thing. Web ReDesign: Workflow that Works
    author Kelly Goto & Emily Cotler
    pages 253
    publisher New Riders Publishing
    rating 9
    reviewer Steve MacLaughlin
    ISBN 0735710627
    summary Practical wisdom for Web creators on consulting, design, development and more rolled into a single readable volume.

    There are books that attempt to impart the divine wisdom of consulting. There are books that detail best practices in graphic and usability design. There are books that detail the intricacies of software development. There are books that detail project management and surviving the technology lifecycle. But there are very few books that explain how all of these pieces work together successfully. Kelly Goto and Emily Cotler have pulled it off with masterful perfection in their new book Web ReDesign: Workflow that Works.

    People, projects, technology, and clients do not work in a vacuum from one another. Process is the magnet that holds them all together. Goto and Cotler offer professionals a comprehensive "Core Process" to guide them through their Web projects. While other books may explain some of the tricks of the trade no book has really placed all of these best practices under the umbrella of a process or methodology. Perhaps that's because a lot of these processes have been closely guarded secrets in the highly competitive interactive services industry. It's almost as if Goto and Cotler are on a humanitarian mission to save clients and projects from future punishment under the hands of companies using poor or in some cases no processes at all.

    Web ReDesign's Core Process is a five-step approach to producing successful Web projects. The five steps are Defining the Project, Developing Site Structure, Visual Design & Testing, Production & QA, and Launch & Beyond. And each phase is broken down further into steps and checkpoints in splendid detail. As someone who started out doing this kind of work I found myself making mental checkmarks throughout the book. "Did that. Did something like that. Man, it took me years to learn that I should do that. Where was this book six years ago when I needed it?"

    Perhaps a book like this wasn't really possible until now. The profession had to go through its ugly duckling stages where individuals and companies tried to figure out what worked and what didn't. Grafting parts from consulting, marketing, project management, and software development into some freakish process monster that often resulted in turning clients into an angry torch-carrying mob. Thankfully Web ReDesign has finally arrived and it is certainly no Bride of Frankenstein. The processes are spelled out in clear language and the authors repeat certain key points in case you missed something along the way.

    It's easy to get sidetracked reading Web ReDesign with all the sidebars, charts, sample forms, and interviews. But this is a good thing! The tips and sidebars along the way spell out in greater detail how to put the process into action, and what to do when trouble arises. The forms and charts are some of the most thorough ever published, and thankfully you can download most of them on the companion website located at www.web-redesign.com. Throughout the book Goto and Cotler call on experts like Lynda Weinman, David Siegel, Jeffrey Zeldman, and Jakob Nielsen to offer their perspective on a given topic. The overall design and layout work done by the folks at New Riders is phenomenal and the visual presentation of the book is really first rate.

    The one big question I have about the books is its title: Web ReDesign. That's because this is a book that can be used for first time Internet initiatives just as well as for redesign projects. Perhaps the authors had some dual purpose in mind for the title: If you're doing this for the first time, you need to rethink the conventional wisdom that Web projects are a black art with no best practices. Or if you didn't use a process the first time, then you've probably learned how valuable it is to have a proven methodology to avoid repeating mistakes.

    Goto and Cotler have produced a book that no Web professional, whether they're a consultant, project manager, designer, programmer, or specialist, should be without. Web ReDesign is one of those books that should be kept close at hand during projects of all shapes and sizes. It won't take long before your copy is either severely dog-eared or has post-it flags sticking up throughout it. Get your hands on a copy before the competition does.

  31. Others disagree by Xoro · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...by Kelly Goto & Emily Cotler

    I heard Dijkstra wrote a really damning criticism of this. Using it could even be considered harmful or something...

    --
    Kill, Tux, kill!
  32. my 2 cents by British · · Score: 2

    All that I ask from webdesigners is to make the colors of links that you haven't visited yet and have already visited DIFFERENT. For forgetful folks like me, it's helpful when you are going through a bit list of links and seeing which ones you have already looked at.

    1. Re:my 2 cents by symbolic · · Score: 1


      And for Pete's sake, you shouldn't use dark-colored links on a dark background! Duh.

    2. Re:my 2 cents by Pope · · Score: 2

      On my last full-time job, I argued with my boss over that issue all the time. So I added a different colour for the VLINK "for testing purposes" and just never took it out!

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    3. Re:my 2 cents by Ashok · · Score: 1

      For it to really help you need to think through what you're linking to and what you're serving off.

      If you link to /foo - but it's really some index page served off /foo/ then a bunch of browsers won't give you vlink-happiness.

      We should go further still and serve the same bit of content of one URI. This includes - amongst other stuff - picking one fully qualified domain and redirecting the various alternatives (www..., ...com/org/co.uk/whatever) to that one. Unless of course you're doing different stuff for different hosts - sensibly. It helps for caching, for people returning to the site, and it's just plain cleaner.

      --
      ash
      ... You can call it a wizard once it can do bloody magic
  33. Re:Book's web site fails to validate as standard H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    That you are too anal?

  34. I like bacon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Oh yeah. And my hair is short.

  35. REAL music: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Britney Spears.

  36. OT: Amazon boycott? by JamesOfTheDesert · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You can purchase this book at Fatbrain.

    Sure, but the article's top paragraph has the book title linking to Amazon.com. Is the boycott over, or is that link there so people can check out the reviews on Amazon, then buy the book from someone else (as I do)?

    --

    Java is the blue pill
    Choose the red pill
  37. Wide pages by TrollMan+5000 · · Score: -1

    As wide as her asshole, after the meetings with the record companies!

  38. Web Professional? by imrdkl · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Isn't that an oxymoron? I mean, aren't lots of these folks now back in school, perhaps learning about what happens on the other 1023 priveleged ports?

    I dont mean to slight anyone, but hasn't enough hype been published, fortunes lost, BMW's repo'd, and trees killed for this kind of thing to loose it's glitter yet? Sheesh, if not, drop by my house and I'll let you pick from my dusty, unused, and outdated-after-one-week library.

    1. Re:Web Professional? by hearingaid · · Score: 2

      Tons of people do web design. It's not just e-commerce.

      Quite apart from the number of people doing web design as a part of their jobs (for example, all the librarians out there who have to support library websites), there are lots of people who maintain web sites to help enable communications.

      Look at any government website. Do you think people work on those monsters, or are they magically created from nothingness?

      What's died (almost, we'll always have eBay) is e-commerce. But that's a minority of the web, really.

      --

      my old sig used to be funny, but then slashcode ate it and now it's not funny anymore

  39. Some insight by Smoking+Joe · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    More information here.

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    If the lameness filter actually worked, would you even be reading this?
  40. Interesting point by Smoking+Joe · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    I found some more information here.

    --
    If the lameness filter actually worked, would you even be reading this?
  41. Re:Book's web site fails to validate as standard H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot's HTML is looking pretty broken on my Windows machine today, too. Maybe it's an epidemic or something. Missing end tag for a bold, so all the italics disappear, or something like that.

  42. Good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went here and learned all about it.

  43. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  44. Books for who? by f00zbll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am biased, but the books I've looked at often are gibberish or common sense. As others have stated, anyone who is a serious professional focused on producing quality already has a good grasp of project development.
    People tend to confuse bad developers and managers with a lack of process. If a person is focused on getting the job done and fluid operation, process isn't critical. Sure process helps improve metrics of performance and efficiency, but a process is only as powerful as the people using them. I've seen the implementation and lack of process kill projects. I've also seen situations where process was organic and worked fluid. At the core of it all is "who" you work with and now "how". Of all the MBA's I've met, those who stick to text books fail miserably. The best managers I've had didn't get a MBA degree, nor do they hold to a set of rules like pilars of heaven. As Lao Tzu said, "the only certainty is uncertainty." More people should read classical literature(all languages) and realize none of these problems are new.
    I haven't read the book, but from the description, I wouldn't bother. Get a job and learn first hand. That's the real way to figure out what works for you and those you work with. No book can teach you how a real person works.

  45. No reason to distinguish web sites from code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Just treat your HTML like it was code for a software project, and you'll be okay. There are plenty of good texts that describe the project planning, development, and release process - there really isn't a need for a book that treats HTML as its own animal.

    Think about it, if you design software that has a UI, communications protocols, and a backend of some kind, you already have done everything a designer for a major web site.

    And just to preemptively deal with all of the replies that will tell me I don't "get it" - I have spent five years developing major sites for the busiest web site in the world.

    1. Re:No reason to distinguish web sites from code by fferreres · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Now you'd hire a programmer to redesign printed media as well. After all, how and where things go and interact does not matter. What matters is that the code is writen by a software professional.

      I trully believe the web need good programers, good interface designers, a lot of usability testing. It's different to a software proyect. It's beyond a software proyect scope.

      That doesn't mean you don't need good programmers and a clear view of what and how things can be done. But certainly a web site is NOT a software project.

      I'll agree in that you need a team that know about the web and not about "generic stuff". You need to know the WEB. WEB Programers, interface designers for WEB projects and a project leader that knows what he is doing and why.

      --

      --
      unfinished: (adj.)
  46. Agreed. Giant GIFs != not web design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dave Seigel's books were basically descriptions of people use 500k GIFs in place of intelligent design.

  47. Steve is better than Sarah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Am I the only one that first read that "Sarah MacLaughlin..."


    Regardless of spelling, that was rather perplexing for a few moments... :)

  48. Just read any software project management book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    There is no need for a book dealing with HTML projects on their own - HTML is just code - albeit very dumb and limited code.

    Steve McConnell wrote some great books about software project management that are surely more worthwhile than this dumbed-down approach that somehow tries to distinguish HTML as its own beast.

    Project planning, design, test, debug....how is this different than a software project????

    1. Re:Just read any software project management book by Brummund · · Score: 1

      HTML is not code. It's markup. And, looking at the quality of HTML on the varius sites, including Slashdot, being able to produce good HTML still seems like a black art, only mastered by a few. :(

    2. Re:Just read any software project management book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      HTML is not code. It's markup.

      Its not 1994 anymore. HTML includes events on most tags (mousover, etc. - and yes, its part of the HTML standard, not Javascript).

      On top of that most any web page contains Javascript or other code today, so it would be easiest to just generalize it as code (as I said, dumb code, but still code).

      In any case, even if it is just markup, the same project management principles apply.

    3. Re:Just read any software project management book by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 2
      Nice try. HTML doesn't support events in a vacuum. The events are tied to a logic implementation that necessarily includes an embedded language like JavaScript. HTML intrinsic events cannot do anything without an embedded language to deal with them.

      In any case, it isn't 1999 anymore :) HTML intrinsic events are the past and DOM 2 Events are the present and future.

    4. Re:Just read any software project management book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      okay the fucking point is you can use cvs to store html just as well a c code....which i think is the entire point of this meaningless thread

      dq

  49. w00t! by tt2k1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The power is yours, Proctal Relapse! The power is yours!

    --

    Troll Tuesday 2001.

    --The Mess

  50. Get real ... W3C != good design by melquiades · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The companion web site of the book (at www.web-redesign.com) fails to validate as standard HTML when tested by validator.w3.org. What else needs to be said?

    That it's a clear, well-organized, visually pleasing, fairly low-chartjunk site. W3C validation is a good thing, but it is not the defining standard of what makes a good site. Most sites that I've seen with the "W3C Validated" sticker are messy, ugly, unnavigable sites that have "geek with no design skill" written all over them.

    So yes, standards compliance is a good thing. But I think the point of the book was making a web site that actually succeeds with real people, not validators. There own site seems to be a decent example. That's what else needs to be said.

    1. Re:Get real ... W3C != good design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > visually pleasing.


      Maybe to your eyes. To me, I can hardly read the tiny italics. They get low marks from me.

  51. You're right! Screw the standards! by MRossland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're utterly right. Standards have done nothing for us, and won't ever.

    I know that I love testing my pages in all the different flavors of IE on Win, Mac and Linux. And, its even better making sure the NN 4.x and Netscape 6 work too. I mean, some people like being creative with their time, but me, I like screwing with different CSS, JS and HTML flavors of the different browsers.

    I also agree that XSLT is a total waste of time. Its not like its supported by any browsers. Well, it is supported by numerious server technologies, and is used to render content in HTML lots of places on the Web. And, I guess if you really look at it, it probably never was intended for the browser anyway. But, you're right! Just because I don't fully understand it, its a total waste of time!

    And, you are so dead on with the W3C. I mean, any organization that could produce XML 1.0 is a bogus waste of time. What is XML ever going to do for us? It doesn't even have a FONT tag!

    (Come on man, I hope you were kidding. Standards allow us to do our job ... not prevent us. Learn about the stuff. Don't just stick to HTML 3.2 ... the Web has moved on.)

    --Mark.

    1. Re:You're right! Screw the standards! by fferreres · · Score: 1

      TCP/IP is a standard and although not 100% of it's breeds are 100% standard compliant you can't say TCP/IP is not working for you.

      Also, HTML is a standard and that's why you can read any HTML. If it was a Microsoft invention you'd now be using IE even if you didn't want it to.

      Now, the standards EVOVE...

      If they evolve BEFORE implementation you may find you don't yet want to support that features yet. After some time it may be usable when 80% of the software has been updated.

      If they evolve AFTER implementation, then it means the are "putting on paper" features that (in this case) the standard browers have (IE, Mozilla). And you'll argue "damn, i have to code differently for diferent browser. Why don't they do things the same way?!". That leads you to the last paragraph.

      In practice, you try to accomodate 80% of the browers or hurt the user experience and reach everyone. And of course you won't care about testing your site with the W3C tools (Users run browsers not testing tools).

      --

      --
      unfinished: (adj.)
  52. maturity of the industry by versil · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This book is yet another in a series of indicators to the growing maturity of the web development business.

    There are approaches to creation that any engineer who got the point of their signals-and-systems (the transforms class) understands. I don't wish to slight non-engineers (you know, CS and MIS people :) some of them get it. Even some managers get it. But there are so damn few...

    Life-cycles, methodolgies, project oversight, customer relations, etc...they are all inter-related and must be managed to create a succesful product. There is an industry proven mindset to providing reliable, repeatable, and innovative solutions - its been around in the engineering disciplines for centuries. People need to understand that it has a broader application than building bridges.

    Evidence of this is Carnegie Melon's recent incarnation of the SEI Laws...the move from a software specific capability model (SW-CMM) to a systems generalized model (CMMI) is more a result of lesons learned from reiventing the wheel than from genuine innovation in best practices. (BTW: I am helping institute the CMMI procedures and policies in my company and the CMMI is a big improvement over the SWCMM...)

    How long will be before we see, with frequency, the term web engineer? and how much longer then until its decay into abuse like the now ridiculous term software engineer? The title engineer is so abused in the software industry that it bears little significance to many. I don't wish to imply that you must be a degree'd engineer to say that the work you do is engineering any more than you must be a licensed carpenter to build a birdhouse.

    This has gone off-topic and become a vent. I apologize and will close with this: There are too few engineers in the software industry and too many people writing code...

    1. Re:maturity of the industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait! ARGH! I stink. Offtopic a bit maybe, but I think it's all relavent. Oh well...

  53. all visual, no back-end by davejenkins · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So far, I've seen very little attention paid to the database connectivity, dynamic content interaction, or nuts-and-bolts of ERP integration-- without which a website is useless...

    It seems this book is aimed at advertising and graphic designers who are still attempting to dabble in website design. In that sense, this book will probably be successful: there are thousands of shops out there skimming this surface, and who would welcome a book about basics like this.

  54. Re:Book's web site fails to validate as standard H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What else needs to be said?
    You're a pedantic fuckwit?
  55. Re:Nope... by symbolic · · Score: 1

    I disagree - what you don't take into consideration is that time and technology change requirements, processes, and expectations. While there may be some fundamental similarities between what we're trying to do now, and what we have done, the rules have most likely changed.

  56. Re:Nope... by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they may change details.

    look - take bridges as an example.

    we use new materials, new techniques, new requirements, but the basics are still the same.

    what you are talking about is exactly the problem that i'm trying to expose. You THINK that every time you sit down to a computer that what you're doing has no relation to anything that anyone has ever done before, so you make up a new technique to get it done, instead of standing on the shoulders of the really smart (tm) people before you.

    you're project, isnt different, it isnt new.

    --
    ... hi bingo ...
  57. Don't under estimate the value... by kpooley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't under estimate the value of having the simple processes laid out. We tend to take for granted that a well designed software dev. cycle will turn out well designed software. But often management has no clue. On one hand books like this provide external validation of your insistance that a process be followed. On the other hand you also get a nice happy set up vocabulary/phrases and logic to use when convincing a client to stick to the track. I have always loved " Practical Software Requirements" but I have yet to work with anyone who will see requirements documentation through before they start plopping logos into fr-page along with 7 zillion add-on extensions which only work with v4.67123 of browser X.

    If nothing else this book appears, in the picture at least, to have that rare blend of surface area and heft which makes it perfect for wacking the pointy haired dweeb across the noggin...when all else fails.....

  58. Re:Book's web site fails to validate as standard H by QBin · · Score: 2, Informative

    actually, his site (www.opensourcers.com) does validate as HTML 4.01 Transitional according to W3C

  59. Re:Book's web site fails to validate as standard H by peter+hoffman · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Your posting might have had some credibility if you hadn't over-ridden the DOCTYPE of the document in the links you provided and if you hadn't been quite so selective in the pages you chose to reference.

    The Oracle HOWTO page was a quickie that required only a couple of minor edits to bring into compliance.

    The sites www.Erskine.edu and www.KentMcCarter.com are no longer under our control but the work we delivered validated. www.GaeaCorp.com does validate.

    Perhaps you enjoy wasting your life away trying to put square pegs into round holes (or is it just a way to bill the customer for more hours?) but I will continue to support standards.

  60. WRONG, the referred-to website does validade by marick · · Score: 1
    danheskett said:

    Next, lets go to your home page. No doc-type definition, so it doesnt validate. Bad. Plus you are using out-of-date tags. Check it here[w3.org].

    I ran the site through the validator and got the response:

    "Congratulations, this document validates as HTML 4.01 Transitional!"





  61. Information Architecture by asv108 · · Score: 1

    Looking at this review and the plethora of reviews available on Amazon.com, this book appears to nothing more than a re-write of Oreilly's Information Architecture Book with a lot more fluff and buzzwords. Just look at the 5 main steps that are listed, each one is covered in the 3 year old Oreilly book.

  62. I'm one by Pope · · Score: 2
    Uh, dude, I build web sites for a living. Granted, it's not much of a living at the moment :) but I've made some good contacts recently.

    I'm not a CS major, not an uber-geek, and never wanted to be either. I like using computers for design and got into the field because I found I was good at it.

    It just helps that I don't buy into hype that easily, which is why I work for cash money, not stock! :)

    --
    It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
  63. Re:Nope... by jsin · · Score: 1

    You're right, I guess time and technology didn't have any effect on the automotive industry.

    ...now I need to go so I can check the spokes on my Model T and fill'er up with petrolium distillates, post-haste!

  64. Re:w00t! Turtle Power! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Heroes in a half-shell - TURTLE POWER
    They're the world's most fearsome fighting team
    (We're really HIP)
    They're heroes in a half-shell, AND THEY'RE GREEN
    (Hey, get a GRIP)
    When the evil Shredder ATTACKS
    These turtle boys don't cut 'em no slack
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Splinter tough and to be ninja team
    (He's a radical RAT)
    Leonardo leads, Donatello does MACHINES
    (That's a fact, JACK)
    Raphael is cool but rude, Michaelango is party DUDE
    (Partyyy!!)
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
    Heroes in a half-shell

    TURTLE POWER

  65. Re:w00t! Turtle Power! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i think the turtles could beat up the pokemans and the digimans all at once. also im drunk

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  69. Its cheaper a Bookpool.com, you know by hparker · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the boycot, but the book is cheaper at www.bookpool.com. Bookpool doesn't have the widest selection, but if they got it, I've always found them to charge less. (Fast, too. With the money I save, I often sign up for 2 day delivery and still come out ahead.)

    I'm not affiliated with them - just a very satisfied customer.

  70. I thought Dykstraj had gotten rid of Go To by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the name Kelly Goto strike you as curious for the author of a system design book?

  71. substandard troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you're a troll, but can't you at least troll with grammar and spelling?