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Review of the Cybiko Xtreme

Levendis23 writes: "We've just posted our latest review: the Cybiko Xtreme. Pretty slick little gadget, with RF networking and ability to set up bluetooth-like clouds so that other units can talk to each other, play games, or swap files. You can can even use another unit at as a repeater to bounce your message to another unit out of your range."

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  1. Wave of the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just a couple days ago my father related to me how he was telling his students about Fidonet - sending a message across country by having it hop modem'd servers in the good ol' days - and the kids saying "Why not just use the internet?"

    So having these little babies spread across a country could easily lead to a "Cybiko across America", eh? An alternative to the U.S. gov't filtering all our packets? Hmmm...

    1. Re:Wave of the future? by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Although it would take a week or better to make it. Their little SMS service doesn't have routing capabilities, so the message would bounce around with all the other lost messages.

      And somebody has to say it, so "Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of these...."

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    2. Re:Wave of the future? by deander2 · · Score: 2

      _Your_father_ had to tell you about fidonet?!? Good god man, how old are you? I consider myself a fairly young professional at the ripe old age of 22 here, and I used fidonet for years back when BBS's were all the rage...

      Maybe I'm becoming one of those old fart geeks.
      "Man, _I_ remember when I got my first 286 OCed to 12.5MHz!! It had a 40mB HDD too! It was svveet!!!" ;)

    3. Re:Wave of the future? by Legion303 · · Score: 3, Funny
      An Atari 800? We had to make do with a network of cans and strings. And we *liked* it!

      -Legion

    4. Re:Wave of the future? by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Informative
      Sorry, Sonny...I'm a true old fart geek...

      No you aren't. I started my computer experience on a PDP-8 with terminal and accoustically coupled modem. I think you measured the modem speed in seconds per character. A few years later, I graduated to a PDP-11. My first "home" computer was a TI-99/4A with only 16K of RAM, NO floppy drive and NO modem. It used cassette tape for storage. Note that there were many home computers that came out prior that I passed on.

      But even I don't qualify for the true old fart geek. I missed punch cards in college by one year. Learning Fortran on punch card machines would have rounded out my nostalgia-geek experience.

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    5. Re:Wave of the future? by phil+reed · · Score: 2
      Learning Fortran on punch card machines would have rounded out my nostalgia-geek experience.


      Nah. You haven't been a true old-fart geek unless you've toggled in a bootstrap loader to read a paper tape from a ASR-33 teletype.

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  2. The Specs by The+Gardener · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Since the article is long on hype and thin on substance, here are some details:
    2 NiMH Rechargeable Batteries - Not Removable
    Power Adapter
    USB
    Installation CD

    I don't have the hardware specs on the new "Xtreme", but here is the previous model:

    CYBIKO COMPUTER MODEL CY6411.

    Hardware specifications
    Main Processor: 32 bit, 11 MHz Hitachi H8S/2246
    Coprocessor: Atmel AT90S2313, 4 MHz
    RAM: 512 KB
    Flash disk: 512 KB, extendible up to 1 MB
    LCD display: 160x100 dots, 59x40 mm, 4 level grayscale
    RF transceiver: RF2915
    Expansion cartridge slot: 68-pin
    PC connection socket: RS232 serial port
    Size: 5.7" x 2.8" x 0.86"
    Weight: 4.3 oz
    Software specifications
    Operating System: CyOS v.1.2
    Software: CyOS v.1.2 compatible apps
    Communication Protocol: CyDP x.30 (Cybiko RF Digital Protocol)
    Dynamic Wireless Local Network: automatically provided by CyOS v.1.2 and CyDP x.30
    RF communication features
    Frequency: 902-928 MHz
    Number of channels: 30 digital channels
    Communication Rate: 19200 bps each channel
    Transmission and Receiving Range: 150 ft. indoors, 300 ft. outdoors (environment dependent)
    Max. online Cybiko units: 3000 (100 units on each of 30 channels)

    The Gardener

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    1. Re:The Specs by zeno_2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was somewhat disappointed with the article, it has no mention on what the device can actually do. Sure, the buttons here and there are great, yada yada, but what happens when you turn it on?

      From what it sounds like, you can send and recieve text messages between devices, maybe play games, *maybe* send and recieve mp3 files from your friends if you both have that expansion card. Am i missing something? I guess I can say that in the town I live in, I really doubt anyone would have one of these, and those willing would probably rather have one of those motorola 2 way radios, much longer range, and if you just needed to 'talk' to someone else, that would do the trick.

      Ah well, maybe it does some other stuff im not aware of.

    2. Re:The Specs by Levendis23 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whoa, those things turned on?

  3. original cybiko by mliu · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had one of the original "classic" cybiko's. Why did I have it? Because they gave them away by the boatload in a contest on their website where everyone who signed up won one pretty much. A lot of people who got them took them right back to Best Buy/CompUSA/Staples/Toys R US etc. and got themself a $100 return credit. I wonder how many of these give-aways they're including in the "half a million" they claim they sold.

    That aside, it was really a pretty neat toy for any one in school still. It was no PDA, but it wasn't meant to be one either. They eliminated features that you can live without in a device targeted towards school kids (touch screen, high res screen, size, etc.) and they added some really nice features (wireless networking which could chat, play games, check email, etc). It would supposedly automatically network with nearby Cybiko's so you could chat, and play games with them, and if one of them was plugged into a computer, you could use that one to access the internet to check email and stuff, though I dunno how well these things actually worked as I never met anyone with one besides me.

    I was a little surprised these things didn't catch on more. I'm guessing that's why they gave so many away, because this seems like the sorta thing with a critical mass. On its own, it sucks (not much fun to chat with yourself), but the more people who have it, the better it becomes. Add in the school mentality of the more people who have it, the cooler it becomes as well, and I thought this thing had a lot of potential if they could have gotten the spark started.

    But in their giveaway they screwed up big time by not including an age limit at that time, so the wrong people ended up with these things, and those people took them back to the stores, thus taking away even more sales for them! I'm surprised to see that these guys are still around, I was sure at the time after that mistake, and giving away 1000's of these things that surely they would be just another .com/tech company down the tubes. Their new one seems pretty nice though, the size was one of the kickers with the original, maybe they'll make it this time.

    Though this also seems like exactly the sort of thing where just as it starts to get popular, school administrators will start banning it, so I don't think they're out of the woods yet......

    1. Re:original cybiko by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2

      I was a little surprised these things didn't catch on more

      They *did* catch on in a big way, but the target market is about 4th through 9th grade. 500,000 units in a year is impressive.

  4. PDA... by don_carnage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't wait for the day when this sort of technology (the ability to communicate with/through other units) comes to the PDA. Palm Pilots and Visors are on just about every desk here at the office and the ability to schedule meetings, send messages and (play games) over wireless would be very useful and widely used.

    1. Re:PDA... by Cato · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quite a lot of mobile phones have these features already, at least in Europe - SMS (short message service, aka text messaging) is on every phone, and many phones have two-player games over infrared and calendars. The latest phones, e.g. Ericsson T68, have colour, Bluetooth for syncing and games, and can sync over the GPRS packet network as well.

    2. Re:PDA... by redhog · · Score: 2

      SMS still goes via the masts. What would be übercool would be if the phones could route messages among each other. But that will never happen, as that would ruin the teleco:s buisinesses...

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    3. Re:PDA... by Gleef · · Score: 2

      Nextel phones have a Direct Connect feature that bypasses the Cell masts.

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  5. Uh... by Psarchasm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Specs are on the web site...

    http://www.cybikoxtreme.com/support/specs.asp

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  6. Cybiko == AOL by mshiltonj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't forget, AOL is directing the development of the Cybiko. The Cybiko will be AOL's Palm Pilot.

    Look away from the light.

  7. Cybiko Extreme Website by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2

    Said you can now get a MP3 player with purchase of a cybiko extreme. It plugs into the expansion slot. It also adds the SD/MMC slot and can take cards of any size. Not a bad idea to get sales going! The more Cybiko's the better.

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  8. Re:Weapon for terrorists ? by Xawen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damn, now that you're onto us, we'll have to start encrypting those major business networks that run on Cybiko power! The world is no longer a safe place! Hackers now have small devices capable of sending wireless signals....

  9. Re:How hackable are these suckers? by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 5, Informative

    A quick perusal of their website doesn't reveal any thing that would allow someone do their own coding. Toys like this are only worth having if they are hackable :). Anyone know of any projects to hack them or provide dev. tools.

    You can get the development tools and documentation from the Cybiko web site. They've been available for free right from the start.

  10. Links by doofsmack · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to be active in the cybiko community. Here are some links:
    www.cybla.com
    www.cybimunk.com
    www.devcybiko.com

    Hope you find these useful

  11. skeptical by British · · Score: 2

    I'm a bit skeptical about this. I had the VTech "phones" expecting to talk with all sorts of people and exchanging voice mail with other people, but upon buying 2 of them, I quickly realized they had almost NO range whatsoever. Boy did I feel ripped off.

  12. Important things not covered.. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are these "compatable" with the older cybiko?
    Specifically in wireless connectivity and data sharing.

    That is a very important issue.

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  13. I predicted this... by Richy_T · · Score: 2

    I bought a couple of Cybikos a year ago. I felt that they were actually pretty good value for the money but I could see where there were some shortfalls and I predicted that it wouldn't be long before they released a new version with some of the better features. Cybiko denied they had anything planned and a lot of people said it wouldn't happen but *smug*.

    Seriously though, these are cool devices. The SDK is open and free although documentation was a little lacking last time I checked. There is a whole host of games and apps for them (as with the palm) and a thriving developer community. Also, one of the coolest things is that if you have two of these things, you can use one as a tunnel, connect to your PC and have wireless internet on the other one.

    I was planning on writing some apps for mine but unfortunately, events overtook me this year. Now they have this new one out, I shall have to have another look (I hope the Xtreme has a serial port like the classic)

    Rich

  14. Investment != Control by fm6 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before you jump to any conclusions as to who "controls" Cybiko, find out all the investors, who owns what percent, and what shares have voting rights.

  15. Re:Two things.... by phil+reed · · Score: 2

    Not only that, but whenever you connect it to your PC to load stuff on it, the software sends your personal information to the Cybiko site. It also apparently collects information on Cybikos it communicates with and sends THAT as well.

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