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Webcasting and the DMCA

nknouf writes: "A recent article on Salon talks about how college radio stations that webcast could face fee increases from $623/year to $10,000 to $20,000 per year. What's more interesting is information that Congress is considering a bill called the Music On-Line Competition Act, co-sponsored by Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah and Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va. The bill aims to "break the hammerlock the recording industry has over music distribution." My favorite quote, from Rep. Cannon: Napster is "one of the coolest inventions of modern times.""

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  1. HR 2724 link by Oily+Tuna · · Score: 4, Informative

    More permanent link to the Music Online Competition Act

    HR 2724.

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  2. Links to the bill by SuuSt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the link to the bill is dead, here are some links to pdf copies of it:

    Digimedia.org pdf

    house.gov pdf

    A summary of the bill here at house.gov

    And the google cached version here

    There if you can Slashdot all of those, we deserve a collective cookie.

  3. The link is already broken. by Enigma2175 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Too bad the link to the bill is already broken, I would have liked to have read it.

    OK I did a search and found a PDF copy of the bill HERE. Also found a site to organize support for the bill, it has a form to send your representative an email. Since Cannon is mine, I guess I'm already OK on that one. However, I have been pretty unhappy on his stance on several issues in the past, hopefully he won't drop the ball on this one under the intense politial pressure of the RIAA.

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  4. But it's only fair. by b.foster · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I hate the RIAA and their supporters just as much as the next guy, but this policy is really only common sense. The fees are outrageous, but contrary to popular belief, there's no reason why webcasters should be able to reach an enormous new audience on the internet and get away without paying any additional fees. And if they feel that the fees are unfair, our free market system will let them make the conscious decision to just stop webcasting and not have to pay another dime.

    For instance, consider the following scenario: radio stations N and L, located in New York and L.A., are owned by the same person. N webcasts their content (for free, under the old regulations), and L rebroadcasts it. Why wouldn't L get to rebroadcast it for free, considering that everybody in L.A. already has access to it? ASCAP is there for a reason: the more you distribute the music, the higher the price, because: the more you distribute the music, the more you can charge your advertisers.

    There is a time and a place to bash the RIAA but let's choose our battles a little more wisely, okay?

    Bill

    1. Re:But it's only fair. by ywwg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "our free market system will let them"

      The free market is not a conscious entity. If ever there was an underlying philosophy to the US in general, it's this odd idea that The Market is somehow this all-knowing, all-seeing entity that does What Is Best For Everyone. I don't have the proper background to expound expertly, but it seems to me that relying on The Market to decide everything inevitably benefits those who benefit most from capitalism -- the rich. Ok, so having the government decide what is best for everyone doesn't have a great record in history. For one thing, its motive is profit, nothing more. Is profit really the best measure of a society?

      Closer to this example, it bears pointing out that the recording industry has a monopoly on music distribution anyway, and they prices they charge and the restrictions they impose are not those of a natural system. When the artists themselves are restrained from distributing their music how they see fit, is the Great Free Market really fulfilling its function?

    2. Re:But it's only fair. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      What is also in suspense is the applicability of classical economic theory to dubious "goods" such as the right to reproduce a musical work and other inventions of intellectual property law. Unlike the case with real goods, which are alienable and subject to immediate defense, intellectual "property" requires draconian intervention into the everyday lives and the normal community patterns of people far afield from either producer or "owner."

    3. Re:But it's only fair. by radiojock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about small "non" label driven webstations? I run one of those Stations We only do unsigned bands in the North West,I've read the ASCAP and BMI agreements, even if I don't do any advertising, Or make any money from the site, it still costs me money . Ascap and BMI have had a strangle hold on the industry for years. If they had their way, All the sites that carried "free downloads" from the artists ( yes some bands give you one or two songs free) The sites would have to pay for every song downloaded.

    4. Re:But it's only fair. by radiojock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you think of it this way, RIAA is hurting the economy.. So is ASCAP and BMI Webcasters let music be heard that may not have a venue elsewhere,be heard. In turn the listeners are interesed in the band, they go out and buy the CD(which pays BMI and ASCAP), In turn the bands have to play more shows... In turn they buy new musical equipment, to play more shows where more people are coming,In turn the clubs make more money and continue to have live bands. If webcasters are charged outrageous fees, then we can't play the music, thereby shutting us down, the bands don't sell any CD's the clubs don't make any money, the music stores don't sell equipment. Pretty vicious circle... my site www.nw-radio.com doesn't sell records, we let people hear music that they may not have any idea is out there ... So Why should I have to pay RIAA or BMI or ASCAP for helping THEM ?

  5. On the other hand... by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How many people could these webcasters REALLY reach? If everyone in LA listens to a station at once that's fine, and you have millions of listeners - but since the practical reality of many webcasts is one of limited bandwith, perhaps pricing (if any) should be reflected based on how many simultaneous users could really listen at once.

    The other thing to consider is how many of the artists a station is playing are really going to get a piece of that ASCAP pie. If all you're playing is experiminetal stuff, why should ASCAP get anything from you? How about a pool composed of exactly the artists played, that seems a lot more fair.

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  6. College radio stations must stay. by GeorgieBoy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some of my favorite stations have been college radio stations. My personal example is WSOU, Seton Hall University's station in NJ. There's no way I can hear them w/o webcasting anymore because I've moved across the country.

    Poor record companies - no one sympathizes with their "dilemma". The Internet has revolutionized music and it's about time they realized that the more they make access to music difficult, the less people want to buy their music, and the more people will find other ways to get it.

    Some of the more interesting music I've heard has been on college radio. Treat an academic institution's radio station like an enterprise is beyond disgusting. The best part of college stations is that their playlists are often less strict, and much of what gets played wouldn't fit into the "mainstream", or even a format, for that matter. It's way better than having a radio station pump their "Heavy rotation" down my throat.

  7. College Radio? A partial answer... by SnakeStu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...is to recognize the nature of their audience and the utility of the Open Audio License. All of the colleges I am aware of have a significant population of aspiring musicians eager to be heard, as well as many young, fresh minds open to listening to something other than what "Mom and Dad" listened to at home. So you have willing producers and open consumers, and the Open Audio License allows the college radio stations a way without fees to bring them together.

    In such an environment, a college radio station should actively promote the Open Audio License and encourage student musicians to release their work under it -- and then give it plenty of airplay (it costs them nothing). Open Audio might not work well in some markets (i.e., those where listeners expect to be given what the music industry convinces them to listen to via advertising), but I can imagine no market more prime than college radio.

  8. Music On-Line Competition Act by FFFish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hell with that.

    We need a "Music Competition Act." On-line, off-line, on-air, whatever: the problem is that the music mafia -- let's start calling them by their true name -- have their greasy, pudgy fingers wrapped around the throat of every artist, choking the life out of them.

    Y'ever notice how many artists set up independent studios and private record labels? It's because they want ownership of the music they create, control over the production process, and aren't willing to whore themselves out to the mob any longer.

    The only ones who stick with the bigname labels seem to be the ones that are just manufactured puppet bands: the boy/girl bands that pump out mindless pap for the gullible teenage market. Without a mobster's hand up their ass, making them perform their puppet moves, these glam-bands wouldn't be able to make a living wage, so they're forced to stick with their masters.

    But there are legitimate artists who have been strung up by the puppeteers. Binding contracts that guarantee their whoredom for many years, loss of ownership of image and name, mounting debt because the mafia loaned them the money to become successful and demand payment back.

    We need a Music Competition Act that cuts the hands off the music mafia. It's currently not plausible, if not completely impossible, to break into the music market without sponsorship of the mafiasio. Let's change that. Let's make it so that artists don't have to whore themselves to make a buck.

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  9. Re:"To uphold and protect" indeed by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, clearly, you failed your civics class in school, but let's recap:

    Congress is the legislative branch of the Federal government authorized under the Federal Constitution. It creates legislation and can, either in cooperation with, or independently from, the President, pass it into law. The Constitution enumerates a number of powers to be granted to the Congress. One power is the ability to create copyright laws.

    Note that they're not REQUIRED to do so! Congress could abolish copyright tomorrow, and it would be perfectly within their authority.

    Furthermore, within a few broad Constitutional limits that would not be applicable in a scenario where Napster et al are legalized, Congress can set up copyright laws however it likes.

    The first Copyright Act, passed in 1790 by the First Congress only granted copyrights to books and maps that met certain criteria. (e.g. the copyright had to be applied for and approved, had to be held by an American, etc. IIRC) Do you claim that they were acting illegally by creating this law? If so, what law could a law-making body be breaking?

    If Congress legalized Napster and its ilk, they wouldn't be advocating the violation of federal law, but encouraging people to exercise their free rights. Free and frank debate about the worth of our laws is the only way to improve them. Nothing wrong with doing a reality check and seeing that people aren't happy with the status quo.

    Our government's pretty damn well good, all things considered. It's been stable for a few hundred years whilst remaining rather free, and that's definately an achievement.

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  10. Re:"To uphold and protect" indeed by Silvanis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On a slight side note, it can be agrued that Congress was only given the power to CREATE a copyright law, not change it. While this may spell bad news for the legality of the current bill being debated, it also makes the extensions to copyright illegal, which I think serves a much greater good.

  11. What a minute by flacco · · Score: 4, Funny
    My favorite quote, from Rep. Cannon: Napster is "one of the coolest inventions of modern times."

    What, have teens started voting or something?

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  12. Contradiction by Oily+Tuna · · Score: 2, Insightful

    greasy, pudgy fingers wrapped around the throat of every artist, choking the life out of them.

    Y'ever notice how many artists set up independent studios and private record labels

    Which is it?

    IMO, it's closer to the former; there may be plenty of independent studios and labels producing excellent music but something is preventing them from getting wider exposure. It isn't lack of quality, so is it unfair competition from the bignames?

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    1. Re:Contradiction by nomadic · · Score: 2

      IMO, it's closer to the former; there may be plenty of independent studios and labels producing excellent music but something is preventing them from getting wider exposure. It isn't lack of quality, so is it unfair competition from the bignames?

      Well, let's be honest; there is a tremendous amount of really bad music in the independent music scene. The vast majority of independent bands aren't signed not because the music companies "don't get it" or "can't appreciate great music", but because they aren't that good.

      As for competition, yes, that's why most bands don't get any exposure. But it's not because the record industries are preventing it somehow. How many people do you know in a band? How many want to do it for a living? Now multiply that by a hundred thousand, and that's how many bands there are fighting to be heard in this country. Even the smallest record store will have thousands of different musicians across a broad variety of genres; the market is just oversaturated to an extent that doesn't exist in any other industry.

  13. Suck my cock, RIAA by Legion303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't it about time the college radio stations said, "Piss off, RIAA, we're only playing non mafia-sponsored music from now on"? "KBBL: RIAA free and damned proud of it." The first radio station that has the balls to do this will get as much donation money as I can afford. -Legion

  14. They must've known slashdot was going to link toit by Jailbrekr · · Score: 2

    The link provided by the esteemed Slashdot authors gave me the following:

    Please resubmit your search

    Search results are only retained for a limited amount of time.Your search results have either been deleted, or the file has been updated with new information.

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  15. Re:Republicrats by CokeBear · · Score: 2

    When Hitler got elected, it was with only 40% of the people voting. We are getting dangerously close to that here now.
    hmmm...

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  16. Better Salon Link by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Informative
    You can bypass those nasty ads on Salon if you link to the printer friendly version of the story:

    http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/12/13/colle ge_webcast/print.html

    And it is a bit easier to read as well.

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  17. RIAA is putting down "non-signed" bands... by g00z · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I recently ran into this snag about 2 months ago. My band was playing live on a community radio station in St. Louis (www.kdhx.org) and of course I wanted our fans and friends of mine to listen in, so I sent them I link to the radio station. I remembered the radio station had a live web stream and figured listing online was the easiest thing to do.

    As I came to find out, the radio station recently (Like 2 weeks before hand) was forced to shut down their web-stream (a shoutcast server) because the RIAA had threatened to sue them unless the station paid the RIAA some obscene amount of cash (around 500K) to comply with this new charge thanks to the DMCA.

    So let's think about this for a second -- My band (unsigned) cannot be heard by our fans because the RIAA thinks they should be getting money from music streams over the internet, in turn, my band playing (not signed to an RIAA partnered label).

    What pisses me off the most is comments about the artist deserving the cash, yadda yadda yadda, so the RIAA somehow deserves this cash. That's a bunch of horseshit. I'm obviously not receiving any of this cash for my records being played on the radio, nor my live performances on a station.

    In case you didn't know, the RIAA's been screwing the independent musician for DECADES. Take recording for an example: most independent musicians use small 4-track cassette based recorders to put record their music to sell at shows, give to stations, etc. But did you know, ALL blank cassette tapes have a RIAA tax attached to them? So when I buy a blank tape, not to copy a RIAA CD, but to record myself, I give the RIAA around 10%-30% of what I paid for the tape! To record *MY* music. Now they want to start taxing CD-R's, and hardrives. Go to hell guys.

    Listen, I'm pleading with all of you -- if this stuff makes you angry, don't just boycott RIAA bands, support non-signed/non-RIAA bands! You don't even have to buy stuff, just go to shows, download free mp3's, anything -- just give the underdogs a chance. It's the last thing the RIAA wants. It's not about controlling their copyrighted materials, it's about controlling music -- who hears it, and what they hear.

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    1. Re:RIAA is putting down "non-signed" bands... by M-G · · Score: 2

      Well, as another St. Louisan, I can say that KDHX does a pretty decent job.

      Now, what I can't figure out about all of this is how the RIAA has _any_ say in this whatsoever. The sub-$1000 fees mentioned in the Salon article are paid to ASCAP and BMI, the major groups which represent music composers. A college or community radio station only pays these reduced royalties to ASCAP and BMI for a 'performance license' to broadcast a composition. The RIAA has no say whatsoever in what you broadcast, and don't get any money from the station. How they're able to suddenly extort cash simply because you're streaming audio over the net as well is beyond me.

  18. WSOU by PaxTech · · Score: 2
    From WSOU's website :
    • The decision to change WSOU's format was submitted to WSOU from the executive cabinet of Seton Hall University in the form of a letter. The letter stated that the administration of Seton Hall desired the current "hard rock" format be dissolved by January 1st. This decision was by no means decided by the WSOU staff. Meetings are currently being held as to the future of WSOU. We will keep you posted on any new events. Thank you for your continued support of Seton Hall's Pirate radio.
    Looks like WSOU's playlist just got a LOT stricter.
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  19. Jamie Zawinski on Webcasting by ewhac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Jamie Zawinski wrote a most informative rant on the labyrinthine regulations and pitfalls that potentially face anyone wishing to Webcast. As he owns and operates the DNA Lounge nightclub in San Francisco, which does its own share of Webcasting, the man has definitely done his homework. Definitely worth a read.

    Schwab

  20. Music Online Competition Act by thumbtack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live in VA. Rick Bouchers home state and have spoken with him about MOCA. While the RIAA and the recording labels spend millions to buy the congress, one thing has been emerging.

    Your Congressperson and Senators need your vote MORE than they need the RIAA cash. Washington is about maintaining power, without the votes there is no cash, no lunches, no trips, no chance to make a difference. Make it clear to your congressperson that you support MOCA and as a consitutant of his you expect him to vote accordingly, not that of special interest groups such as the RIAA.

    The text of the Music Online Competition Act can be Found Here . The MOCA is a even handed piece of legislation the strives to fix some of the roadblocks brought about by the DMCA, but faces a uphill battle. Congress is reading their e-mail these days, write, specify the topic in the subject line Music Online Competition Act, and as much as it pains you be nice. You catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar.

  21. new horizons by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Well, there is always IndyMedia.org, which is is a true open publishing solution. they are starting to run into the problems of scalability in a community, since the signal noise ratio is starting to drop.

    or you could try to help build other sites like RadioFreeNation.net or GlobalFreePress.com, or AlternateNews.com, or SmirkingChimp.com, etc etc etc

    The point being is that maybe one percent of people reading will even post a comment, and a lot less will submit a story. so when there are hundreds of submissions, there is a plenty good chance that someone will post it before you. It is again a scalibilty issue

    Then you have to see if one of the editors will like your write-up or not. Or if it confuses them, or does it entertain them enough, etc.

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  22. Re:Do my eyes fail me? by thumbtack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MOCA was co-sponsored by a Republican and a Democrat. A bi-partisan bill which is needed if it is to have any chance of passing. The RIAA spreads its money across the board, Republican's or Democrats, it doesn't matter. The RIAA is losing a lot of credibility on Capital Hill after the USA Act fiasco

  23. Re:They must've known slashdot was going to link t by Animats · · Score: 2
    No, that's just the way the Library of Congress system works. The search engine is a front end to Congress' IBM mainframe system. It generates web pages when you make a query and puts them on the web server, deleting them in about an hour. It's a bit clunky, but the legislation database is more secure that way. Several major U.S. Government sites work that way.

    Go to the main legislative search page and put "HR2724" in the search box.

  24. They already get royalites for blank audio CD's by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2

    Which is why theyr're so much more then regular CD roms. The radio station I work for uses audio CD's for archiving shows and commercials... The commercials have NO copyrighted music on them (we pay big bucks for our own custom created musical content for commercials) and any music that gets recorded is already covered by the station's blanket copyright (5% of GROSS revenues)yet we get taxed TWICE.... The music industry IS a CARTEL...who has managed to bribe congress into doing whatever they WANT them to do!

    1. Re:They already get royalites for blank audio CD's by Dwonis · · Score: 2
      regular data CD-ROMs ... These don't have the RIAA tax on them

      *Sigh* They do in Canada. OTOH, at least we don't have a DMCA...

  25. Godwin's Law by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2

    I dug around in Google's new USENET cache and found the first post of Godwin's Law.

  26. This is a perfect example of why... by jesser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you should read your diffs before posting them.

    EXEMPTION.--Section 110(7) of title 17, United States Code, is amended--
    (1) by striking "(7)" and inserting "(7)(A)"
    (2) by striking "by a vending establishment" and inserting "or of a sound recording by digital audio transmission, by or in a physical vending establishment"...


    How is a congressman supposed to review this? Do you expect them to look up the context around every change? Legislators have many patches (excuse me, bills) to review, so you should help them out by using a --context or --unified switch in your diff command.

    If your bill is unreadable, the reviewer is less likely to catch bugs, accidental loopholes, or unintentional stray changes from another bill you were working on in the same tree. Of course, if the bill contains "accidental" loopholes and "unintentional" stray changes (note scare quotes), I suppose it makes sense to try obfuscate your bill, but don't whine when the reviewer says "please attach a unified diff".

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  27. Jet grind radioooooooo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    if you like internet radio, take a look at this. Damn sweet:

    http://www.beosradio.com/tunetracker/

    The version 2 is in devellopment and should be released soon.

  28. Peer-to-Peer webcasting? by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    That article got me thinking. Perhaps the nifty peer-to-peer technology behind Gnutella, Swarmcast, FreeNet, and etc. can be used to do for audio streaming the same things that it does for file sharing?


    In particular, I'm thinking of a system where anyone can broadcast audio (or even video) streams semi-anonymously. Listening nodes automatically forward the stream packets to each other, meaning that only the nodes directly adjacent to the source know who/where it is, and only those nodes use any of its bandwidth.


    Such a system could be as scalable as "real" radio, since the bandwidth available increases with the number of people listening, and it could be lawyer-resistant enough that the RIAA couldn't stop it (similar to how they haven't been able to stop mp3 file trading).


    Time to start coding I guess :^)

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  29. IP is not "property" and isn't subject to "theft" by yerricde · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdorks can agree with any politician as on as they support the theft of intellectual property

    The U.S. Constitution recognizes it not as a birthright but as a tool "to promote the progress of science and useful arts" (U.S. Const. 1.8.8) "Copyright" is a misnomer; it really should be "copyprivilege". The law doesn't recognize intellectual "property" as property at all, especially considering how it treats transfer of exclusive rights. Copying another's work isn't termed "theft" but merely "infringement" on a government-granted privilege. Besides, with enough storage space, I could generate and store every melody in the book or at least a melody confusingly similar to every melody in the book (thus killing practical trademark law).

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  30. Re:Translation, please. by cthugha · · Score: 2

    The US Code can be found here.

  31. Re:"To uphold and protect" indeed by gilroy · · Score: 2
    Blockquoth the poster:

    ...what law could a law-making body be breaking?

    Um, the Constitution? Congress has a law-making authority constrained by the Constitution. That bit of law cannot be overridden by a vote of Congress. (It can be amended by such, but that's not the same thing: the amendment process is spelled out in the document and, when followed, leads to new law under the Constitution.)



    My other quip would have been, the laws of mathematics. Remember the state legislature that considered mandating a value of 3 for pi? :)

  32. New Laws to Protect Old Rights by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the bill summary:

    (2) for the owner of a phonorecord lawfully acquired by digital phonorecord delivery, or a copy lawfully acquired by digital transmission of a literary work embodied in that phonorecord, to make another phonorecord or copy of such works, if such new phonorecord or copy is for archival purposes only and that all archival phonorecords or copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the phonorecord or copy should cease to be rightful.

    Does anyone else find it disturbing that we have to pass more laws to protect established rights like fair use? Shouldn't fair use be able to defend itself? As a programmer, I believe in writing the minimal efficient code to achieve the objective. Why don't lawyers feel the same way?

    IMHO: because more laws means you need to pay more lawyers to understand your rights and duties. They're preserving and expanding the clan.

    1. Re:New Laws to Protect Old Rights by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because 1) this isn't fair use. Fair use is well-defined, both in its original judicial form, and its more recent legislative embodiment, and doesn't cover this. And 2) because they are being efficient; something like fair use applies all across the board. Here they only want to carve out an exception for a particular class of works. Archival copies of books, for example, wouldn't be protected here.

      Law is really not all that complicated -- it's just that there's TONS of it. There need to be.

      Heck, I'm a law student, so let me ask you a question as a programmer: why don't we have OSes that can fit in a kilobyte of memory and be clear and plainly understandable, while not sacrificing any of the features or ease of use we want? Or are we stuck with it just having to be larger than that in order to get what we want out of it?

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  33. Big deal.... by filtersweep · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "College Radio" ?? How many RIAA major label acts ARE there on "college radio" anyway?

    An artist on a truly indie label or an artist with self-released material receives no compensation for radio play anyway (and much of college radio consists of this type of material).

    The most ironic aspect of all is that we EASILY have the technology to track and pay the actual performers for either broadcast or webcast WITHOUT pooling the money the way the present system operates. We can arguably track even the number of LISTENERS of webcasts.

    Perhaps this scenario will further a movement to create truly independent mechanisms for distributing and compensating artists/labels for material... that an alternative system will develop (that isn't ASCAP, BMI, RIAA, etc...). I doubt major label artists would feel much pain by NOT being included in college radio.

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  34. Rick Boucher by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 2

    I worked for him on his campaigns in the late 80s/early 90s when I was in college. An excellent being as humans go, and really, really up on tech issues for a Beltway guy. Always has a firm grasp of the people side of issues as well as the numbers and ideologies.

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  35. "Depriving" of an "opportunity" is theft? by nyet · · Score: 2

    Now you are on thin ice. I see an opportunity to profit from robbing a bank. You stop me. Can I sue you for stealing from me?

  36. Re:bye karma by hearingaid · · Score: 2
    I wish there were someway I could read through the submissions directly, and cut those worthless editors, with their inane, poorly-written comments, right out of the process since I could really give a damn about those little biased blurbs they throw on the end of each post.

    That would be Usenet. Get a newsreader, head on back.

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  37. Re:Webcasting vs. SW transmission by hearingaid · · Score: 2

    Well, I have DSL with 1024K down, and I can listen to streams quite effectively: although I usually have to pick something rather a bit smaller than the size of my pipe would suggest, due to router distance. For example, I usually listen to Tag's Trance somewhere around 128K or so.

    I would be very upset if I had to give it up. Fortunately, all the college radio stations I listen to are Canadian, but if Tag's Trance went offline I would be unamused.

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  38. Re:Webcasting vs. SW transmission by Dwonis · · Score: 2
    The bandwidth needed for webcasting will be irrelevent once IPv6 (i.e. mandatory multicasting support) becomes mainstream.

    IPv6. Bug your ISP for it today.