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Has Free Software Saved Any Schools?

morcego asks: "I think everyone remembers the case of PCs for Kids, the Australian group that donates computers for the poor children, when Microsoft asked them lots of money for the software on the computers they donated. I am trying to convince schools to start using free software, and I have heard arguments like 'all free software initiatives in public schools around the world have failed.' I know this is not true, but I need cases to show them. So, do you know of any school (public or not), or other educational institution that has been saved from paying large amounts of money (and closing its doors) by free software?" For those interested in this topic, you'll probably want to read up on the latest salvo in the Microsoft private antitrust settlement. It sounds like education, and Open Source, may now have an official relationship, and things are now getting kicked into high gear. While it's good to hear about the "SchoolForge" coalition (no relation to SourceForge or NewsForge), what educational resources are currently available to schools from the Open Source arena?

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  1. Here's One by ScumBiker · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's used in Albion, WI. Redhat on older Gateway hardware. It sits right along side of the Win95 and Mac boxen. I'm pretty sure they're going to be installing it on the rest of the x86 boxen.

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  2. an interesting site by MoceanWorker · · Score: 4, Informative

    you should check out OpenSourceSchools. it's a great site that focuses on Open Source in the education system

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  3. I'd say so, yes. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 5, Informative



    A couple guys I know of started an organization called the OSEF, or Open Source Education Foundation. They basically assemble machines and networks from spare parts, go out to a school and install the gear, free of charge. I know of at least one school they've helped, in downtown Tucson. About a dozen machines remotely administrated from a central server in the back room. Google for them, you might find a link or two.

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  4. It isn't just free software by meckardt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Think about it for a second. There are three elements of the equation here: Hardware, Software, and Operations. If we are talking about computers to be used by a school, then first you have to have the boxes, then you have to have something to run on the boxes, and then you have to have somebody who knows how to make it all work. Of the three, the last is probably the biggest expense, and certainly the one that you aren't going to get for free. Even if its just a tech savvy teacher who maintains the things, its going to take a lot of his time to do so... time taken away from his primary job of teaching the kids. QED, it has a cost.

  5. An anonymous school in Ontario, Canada by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    We're using RedHat 7.1 to host webpages here, which has saved quite a bit against the cost of a copy of W2k Pro. Also, if we weren't running Linux, our aging IBM server (60 MHZ, 64 MB of ram) would need to be replaced.

    In addition to that, we use Linux in our Cisco networking academies classroom because we can't get any of the software we would need under NT (no doubt it exists, but it would be hard to find, possibly expensive, and likely non-standard). We can use the free FTP, TFTP, and HTTP servers on paticularly ancient PCs(one of our more powerful machines is a 75 Mhz machine with two gigs of SCSI drive!) without the hassles of running Windows (windows will now reboot...).

    There was a plan a few years ago to turn the ancient machines on the network into X clients, for which they would be quick, but they are now sluggish W2K machines.

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  6. Computer Lab by fishybell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here at Westminster College, Salt Lake City Utah, we have a dozen-or-so-computer lab where every computer is running linux. I'm not quite sure, but I'm pretty sure that it is also the only non-classroom computer lab on campus. No there are not any classes that teach/use linux, but there is a horde of geeks that are every bit as useful as the teachers.

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  7. link to several case studies by einreb · · Score: 5, Informative
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  8. Open Source In Schools NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This movement is gaining ground. Here's a ton of sites:

    Start with Why Use Open Source Software In Schools to answer your (and your superior's!) questions. Note that Microsoft is trying to keep a stranglehold on this and their salesmen are playing dirty; but we as free software activists have one thing they can not have: integrity. Teach the truth about Open Source, explain that this is the true American way, show how we need to use it in education to teach kids the right way to do things (and to share with neighbors) to make a productive world, and we'll go at it. Academia can't afford to lose itself in proprietary software; as this site explains, with free software we've got a chance for a blossoming in academia.

    The K12 Linux in Schools Project

    A good example is St. John's School in the UK (attention, USA education boards!)

    Open Source and Education tells you how to do it, what you need to know.

    Linux in Higher Education: Open Source, Open Minds, Social Justice is an important article in Linux Journal about this.

    K12 Linux Terminal Server Project for Schools is just one of the things you can do.

    K-12 Linux, another good site about this.

    A good technical primer on Linux in Education

    If you use free software in schools you will also need free documentation and training materials. Here is a list of the best of it.

    (Pls mod this up guys, I'm posting anon...)

  9. Corbett School in Tucson by r_j_prahad · · Score: 5, Informative

    OSEF has a great article from a feature story the Arizona Daily Star ran on them. URL below, but here's some quickie quotes from the story....

    "As such, they're entirely unimpressed that Corbett is among a mere handful of primary schools around the world with a computer network that runs Linux, the flagship of the fashionable free software movement. They probably can't appreciate the amount of money the school is saving, or the thousands of hours that Linux devotee Harry McGregor has donated to transform a collection of PCs past their prime into a Net-connected laboratory that's ahead of its time."

    "A lab similar to Corbett's could cost the district $100,000 or more if it were set up with new computers and commercial software. Instead, the school spent just $12,000 to convert its donated PCs into a Linux network that offers similar access to the Net and educational programs. Moreover, Corbett's pupils will gain experience with an operating system that's becoming more popular every day."

    http://www.osef.orgarticles_and_letters/azstar/whi zkids.html

  10. riverdale school by McVeigh · · Score: 4, Informative

    www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/ good linux info there also

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  11. Well, my son's grade school, for one... by freebsd+guy · · Score: 4, Informative
    About two years ago, my son's grade school upgraded their computer lab and, as a concerned parent, I was on the advisory committee for that. Originally they had planned to do an all-NT installation for security and usability reasons, but we did a cost-benefit analysis and found that the licensing would have cost us an arm and a leg.

    So, we arrived at a compromise: although I wanted a straight FreeBSD shop, we settled for Linux on the desktops and FreeBSD on the servers, provided that the Linux USB support and stability improved. We still use the 2.2 kernel series with backported USB support, and are running FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE on all of the servers (which, by the way, have not been rebooted since they were installed).

    When the numbers came in, we found that we were able to afford 20 extra computer systems (!) by not paying the Microsoft tax. Also, we were able to hire a sysadmin very cheap who works remotely (he has been banned from the school grounds), and found in our analysis that we would have needed to pay about three times as much to get the MCSEs that it would have taken to keep an NT shop running smoothly.

    So, the school board wins and the kids win with Open Source. That is the way it should be.

    freebsd guy

  12. Come see a 4th grade Linux Classroom right now... by pnelson · · Score: 4, Informative
    http://k12ltsp.org/classroom.html

    It works, it's fast, it's free, we like it.

  13. Re:Hmmmm by spudnic · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are correct about the use of images in schools, at least at the ones I was at. I worked as a consultant for 13 small to medium sized school districts for 4 years, so I have some insight into this.

    School district admins wouldn't even listen to a suggestion of putting Linux on desktops. The rational? Well, I've listed a few:

    1) "The kids need to learn on the types of computers that they will be using in a typical office. They need to know how to use Word and Excel."

    - I know they could develop the same skills by using an alternative, but the name recognition thing is really important. Parents would be up in arms at the next school board meeting if they heard their kids weren't going to learn about spreadsheets using Excel.
    2) "We can't run Accelerated Reader and the other programs that are essential to teaching on Linux."

    - This is a huge argument. AR is used a lot in most schools. It helps teachers not actually have to teach anything. If you're not familiar with it, it's a pretty simple program that tests a students understanding of a book after they have read it. There was some chance of using the old DOS version on Linux, but we haven't been able to run the Windows version under wine. The program would be trivial to duplicate, but the real value is in all of the thousands of tests that are available for it.

    3) "Windows doesn't cost that much money for us, and most of our grants specify a certain portion of the funds for software purchase."

    - This is true. I know we where spending like $21 for a Windows 98 license, $45 for NT. And, the federal grants that we where writing (and helped spend the money from ;) for the schools required us to allocate for the purchase of OS and application programs or the proposal would be rejected. I'm sure we could appeal if this where the case, but schools don't like to risk it. Every t must be crossed, every i dotted, and the staple has to be in exact right spot.
    4) "We don't need to worry about maintaining desktops. Each teacher has a boot disk for all of the machines in their room that will automatically reimage the system if there is some sort of problem. Network apps and updates are provided via NAL or something similiar based on the user logged in, so we don't even have to touch a system to allow access to new programs."

    - The same system could be used by Linux, but because the same thing could be said about Windows it doesn't help the argument in their minds.

    Now I want to be clear that every one of the school systems that I worked in had at least one, usually quite a few, Linux boxes performing functions behind the scenes. After talking to some of the IT directors recently I found that these boxes where all just running perfectly. And they loved that, they just run.

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