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Sklyarov Clarifies Circumstances of Release, Testimony
*ZiggyP0P* writes: "We remember hearing how Dmitry was let off and released (so he can finally go home) but how he had to cooperate with the government in the prosecution of his employer as a plea bargain. Turns out that this was all a lie by the Justice Dept. Skylarov has released his own statements which explain what exactly happened. He has entered into no legal plea bargain and he is still employed by Elcomsoft (even though the justice dept called him his former employer)."
I'm glad for the opportunity to see exactly where they lied, though. Thanks, Dmitry.
-Legion
Spin spin spin. It looks like the gov't is backpedaling fast and putting on spin in hopes it will all go away.
"Cooperate" probably means he agreed to take their phone calls.
Some junior D.A. probably wanted to make a career on a "big, bad, Russian hacker" and found out real life isn't like a Hollywood movie.
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Can he sue for being wrongfully imprisoned? I mean, he was jailed for 5 months, does he get some kind of reparation for his trouble?
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Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Janet Reno, FBI @ Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc.
The gov't has demonstrated not only a willingness, but an eagerness to lie on all fronts over anything that might be potentially embarrasing.
Why stop now?
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
sounds to me like the gov't is just trying to cover what they finaly realised to be a big mistake on their part... now they need to make it look like they are going easy on him out of sympathy or his "cooperation."
i also remember in another article (can't remember where), his employer even offered to stand trial in his stead if they released dimitry... i found that to be quite admirable myself
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If the statement by Skylarov is indeed the "Fact" then he should have a very good case for Defamation charges against the US government. Hope they file this is a Russian court so any claims agains the company will have a local offset. The DOJ made a mistake but they can't admit to that. Anyone found it poetic Justice that Adobe was barred from selling InSIde due to Patent Infringements.
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Is how they are trying to use this crap to "teach" a lesson. Know your rights!!!!
I think that Neo said it best:
"How bout I give you the finger and you give me my phone call."
I still think the biggest punk in the whole process is Adobe...they backed out of the process in order to save some face on thier own knowing full well it was too late to stop the prosecution. grrr....
Before Dmitry was detained, who had heard of Elcomsoft? Apparently, they had sold very few copies of their software. Not that they'd asked for it, but now they've got more publicity than they could have paid for. I wonder if sales are picking up too? Could it be that Adobe's strategy has completely backfired?
Turns out that this was all a lie by the Justice Dept.
What exactly was a lie? He did enter into an agreement. The government never said that he admitted guilt. Sure, they screwed up the employment status, but that is likely a minor oversight, not a lie. Much more minor than slashdot's "lie", saying that he agreed to testify against Elcomsoft.
The FULL TEXT of the document regarding Skylarov
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Everytime I read yet another update to this semingly never-ending ordeal, one thing that remains constant is what a wonderful employer Elcomsoft must be to work for. They've stood by Dmitry's side beginning with day one, they're still hanging in there fighting for him, and their CEO even offered himself up in a bizarre "hostage exchange" scenario.
I hope all of the employees of Adobe are truly embarrassed about this.
Maybe I am putting words in your mouth that you never meant but it seems to me that going back to the "Source" is not quite valid. The issue at hand is the perception that he had admitted "wrongdoing" that is perpetrated by the DOJ / Press release. We have seen again and again the government's refusal to protect its citizen, let alone a foreigner, from its own misconduct. This got to stop.
Help fight continental drift.
This actually means two things
1.Dimitry will not face any charges, nor will have a felony record.
2.Since this is not a case of testifying against Elmsoft, this means that a challenge to the DMCA is still possible, with a legitimate corporation with relatively large coffers defending itself.
So really, the tech-culture gets its day in court without any criminal reprecussions and we get a constitutional challenge to a very unconstitutional law.
Way to go, DOJ, I knew you were on our side!
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Young man,
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Because your plane
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I said young man,
Get comfy in your new town
There's no need to be unhappy.
Young man,
There's no place you can go
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Until you cough up some dough
You will stay here
until you've served all your time
For your insignificant crime.
It's fun to stay in the U S of A,
Because of that old grand D M C A
For cracking DVD's,
Or an e-book or three,
You'll get jailed for eterniteeeee...
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Because of that old grand D M C A
For proving to the world
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This proves two things:
1) It must be obvious to everyone that the DMCA is unconstitutional
2) DMCA type laws are never going to go away till we attack the root of the problem, copyrights
Unless you think that we're going to conjure up a propaganda machine the size of the movie industry, or that the government will suddenly start protecting liberties again, civil disobedience is the only way to go.
I hope all of the employees of Adobe are truly embarrassed about this.
I'm embarassed about this, because my government is making our country look like an ass.
It's one thing to accuse the government of being corrupt. It's quite another to pin the blame for this corruption on the very parties who tried to clean it up.
I'd very much appreciate you explaining each one of these incidents.
I'm very much curious what you think Janet Reno did that was wrong. The only thing I can recall is her listening to the Republican appointees in the FBI when she first took office. Thus begat Waco. Both her and President Clinton apologized for that, and cleaned house in the FBI.
What always amazes me is how ignorant, stupid and partisan Republicans are. This idiot is trying to pin the blame for Ruby Ridge on the Clinton Administration when the event occured in '92.
But I'll bet back in '92 if it had gained any news coverage this moron would have claimed we shouldn't criticize the FBI because that's not patriotic.
It makes me want to puke just thinking that my family has died protecting the rights of scum like this.
You have it so wrong, please actually think about the facts before spouting off, like some brainless slashdroid. Using your analogy it would properly be stated like this...
An American gun maker/seller being arrested in
Japan for making guns in the US & selling them in Japan.
If his dumbass company would not have had their servers located in the US, it would not be an issue, but because the servers were physically located in the US, it is breaking the law *IN THE US* (download from Chicago, and the credit card transactions occur from a town in Washington, both IN THE US). That's what all the mindless droids don't get, it's not that it was created in Russia and somehow we are locking up people who do things legal in their home country when they come to the US. As long as they don't do their shit *in the US* then we don't do shit (and looking over history we haven't done anything until they physically bring it to the US). This was the entire point of Sealand (Havenco) do your shit in their country where just about anything is legal and other countries can't touch you, because your doing transactions physically in another country.
Sheesh, sometimes people really need a cluestick to the head.
personally I think that the government is going to jerk around until enough people forget about this. I think in hind sight they do not want this very high profile case to go to court, likewise none of the media companies want it there either. They want this law to sit on the books for awhile and become "accepted" before anyone tries to test it. I'm sure another year from now we'll here some snippet blurb saying that the govt and elcomsoft entered into a "Plea" agreement where elcomsoft agree's not to sell the product in the US in exchange for the small slap on the wrist or "deferred" sentencing. What a joke!
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Why was Dmitry arrested? "His" program was under US Copyright Law a "work for hire", and therefore he never owned it in the first place.
I live in Texas, and I still don't think the govt did anything legally wrong at Waco. All I know is, a bunch of nutties with guns were down there plotting to eventually kill me and my family, and a bunch of govt agents got themselves shot trying to take them out before they all killed themselves.
It blew my mind how conservative talk radio immediately tried to picture these guys as, "Just peaceful, churchgoing, religious folks exercising their 2nd amendment priviliges.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
Truthfully, I was nodding when I read your original post. Our founding fathers had the luxury to flee to a completely new continent (albiet one populated by some pesky indigenous peoples that needed wiping out). We, however, have no such luxury. When people say idiotic things like "love it or leave it" they don't think to ask "leave for where?"
Another continent ruled by ogilarchy and the same corporations as every where else? Bummer.
You americans should be sick of your governments behaviour. Lying? Urging the people not to question their government? Regular people being harrased for just that thing by the Secret Service and FBI? You my freinds are living in a totalinarian police state. Enjoy living in 1984 for the rest of your life. Personally, I never cared for being forced by the government to think their way and being threatened by a federal agency to do so or "you are in line with the terrorists", but I'm in a country which is still required by law to allow it's people to question government. I'm in a country where satire against the government(and corporations) is still allowed. I'm in a country where the person who gets the most votes in an election is the winner. In short, I don't live in the USA.
It's been a long time.