Perl Foundation Awards Perl Development Grant to Larry Wall

Krellis writes: "The Perl Foundation today announced that they have awarded a Perl Development Grant to Larry Wall, the creator of Perl and designer of Perl 6, joining Dan Sugalski and Dr. Damian Conway, the other 2002 grant recipients. The Perl Development Grants are funded by donations; over USD 80,000 has been donated so far, a total of USD 240,000 is needed for the three grants. See http://donate.perl-foundation.org/ for more information on how you can pitch in - every dollar counts! See also the use.perl.org story for more information."

Comments

Proofs Involving

[Anonymous Coward]

Definite integrals and Riemann sums rule.

Re:Proofs Involving

[Anonymous Coward]

sounds pretty elementary to me, those shouldn't even qualify to be called proofs. those are more like algebraic manipulations.

Re:Proofs Involving

[Anonymous Coward]

And you can suck my grundle!

Re:Proofs Involving

[Anonymous Coward]

hmm...not sure where he says that Riemann sums and def. integrals are proofs. Maybe you're just homosexual?

Re:Proofs Involving

[Fecal Troll Matter]

Fuck you AC, fuck calculus, fuck AC's who reply to AC's, fuck Larry Wall.

Re:Proofs Involving

[Anonymous Coward]

if you could read you'd see he mentioned that in his topic. sure they "involve" the integrals but how much do you wanna bet its stuff like the linear properties of differentiation, bah.

Just so you know

[Anonymous Coward]

Klerck is a faggot. Just so there's no mistake.

Re:Just so you know

[SweetAndSourJesus]

agreed. I just had a lovely eggplant sandwich, and am feeling quite satisfied.


--

jesus loves you till the morning light, baby

Re:Just so you know

[Anonymous Coward]

Taco loves klerck and slashcode will not be fixed, because it is an effective anti-troll effort. Shit, who knows, maybe Klerck is Taco. Once klerck's script kicks in i'll be back at viewing at 0

Re:Just so you know

[Klerck]

Oh it's not scripted!

Don't forget to add me to your foes list! Fags!

Back by unpopular demand, more random number crapflooding!

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How much of this goes towards new development?

[Anonymous Coward]

And how much towards a new car?

Whoa...

[The BOFH Troll]

..fast reply!

I claim first post because everyone before me sucked anyways.

slashdot

[PoopoocacaTroll]

poo

I think slashcode is a good example

poo

of the amazing things you can do with perl

caca

Perl is extremely useful

[3141]

In this age of over-complex user-interfaces, Perl scripts are becoming increasingly useful when you just want to get the job done.

If I need to process a large amount of text, I am constantly amazed to see how Perl can do exactly what I need in a minimum amount of time. Good on them!

Re:Perl is extremely useful

[SweetAndSourJesus]

"Perl is extremely useful"??? How wonderfully insightful! Mod parent up!

Re:Perl is extremely useful

[I.T.R.A.R.K.]

Yes. Thank you for going out of your way to state the blatantly obvious.

Re:Perl is extremely useful

[The BOFH Troll]

Perl is as useful as goatse.cx!

Re:Perl is extremely useful

[Anonymous Coward]

And I, for one, am constantly amazed to see how awk can do exactly what I need in a minimum amount of time, and without the overhead of Perl.

Perl is overkill for a lot of things. Granted, not everything, but certainly a lot of things. Awk is sadly underrated these days.

Re:Perl is extremely useful

[Surazal]

I took a class on Awk and Sed, and came out of it proclaiming Perl as the ultimate solution. It seemed that awk and sed came with a few shortcomings that perl easily overcame (take square brackets for example... awk seemed a little inadequate in handling those).

One tool to replace two. Hey, seemed straightforward to me!

Re:Perl is extremely useful

[raistlinthegreat]

I also think perl is very useful. but during the last couple of months I switched to Ruby. the scripts are often even shorter than perl scripts and much cleaner. and IMHO Ruby is also better suited for large programms.
check out www.ruby-lang.org

memo

[Joe the Lesser]

To: Dan Sugalski and Dr. Damian Conway
Re: Loan
From: Joe the Lesser

Can I borrow some cash, I wanna a PS2.
Thanks.

Alan Thicke, Stephen King, among others found dead

[Anonymous Coward]

I have just recieved some shocking news from www.theregister.co.uk

Alan Thicke, Stephen King, and Mandy Moore were Dave Thomas fdo.. FUCK THIS.

you suck! you mods can suck my dick. I like Wendy's. Why don't you like diapers?

Well, duh!

[PeterClark]

I hate to say the obvious, but why wasn't he the _first_ one that the grant was awarded to? After all, he is only the creator and lead architect of PERL. Are there any blindly obvious reasons why this didn't happen earlier?
:Peter

Re:Well, duh!

[babbage]

As I understand it, Larry Wall is/was an employee of O'Reilly, but I don't think he had any job duties per se; rather it was more of a patronage for him to keep working on Perl while he was on their payroll. (Think of how the Medici family sponsored artists during the Italian Renaissance -- same idea here.)

With the establishment of this new Perl Foundation, maybe the idea is to formalize these kinds of patronages for key developers. Damien Conway was first because he's such a great teacher & advocate, and Dan Sugalski was second because he needed more time to work on the Parrot engine for Perl6. Now that Larry is joining this, hopefully he'll have more time to work on the high level language specification...

Re:Well, duh!

[cjcollier]

Mr. Wall was until recently employed by O'Reilly and Associates. I believe that the perl community (C/O YAS) was looking to sponsor those who didn't have a job where they could spend great ammounts of time working on Perl. When Larry fell into this category, they jumped at the opportunity to add him to the roster. or at least that's how I see it. I'm glad they've given us the opportunity to support Larry and the whole of the Perl community. I hope we can compensate him as well as ORA did.

Re:Well, duh!

[wdr1]

First, it's Perl not PERL.

Second, I would imagine it's because Larry has been employed by O'Reilly for the last couple of years, making it less of a 'need' for Larry's work to continue on via a grant.

-Bill

Re:Well, duh!

[ichimunki]

So if Larry no longer has O'Reilly's patronage, can I safely assume it's time to stop buying their books? The fact that they directly supported this pillar of the Perl community was one good reason to overlook the incredibly proprietary way they publish books about Free Software (contrast "Programming Ruby" by Dave Thomas and Andrew Hunt, published by Addison-Wesley and available under a fairly Free license).

Re:Well, duh!

[chromatic]

O'Reilly is willing to make books available in similar ways (redistributable and modifiable provided you make the copyright and changes clear) -- it's usually the choice of the author. Look at their Running Samba or Open Sources books for examples. (I know there's a link to a page somewhere that describes this in more detail, but I can't find it. You'll just have to trust me for now. :|)

Re:Well, duh!

[ichimunki]

I trust you-- and you are thinking of http://oreilly.com/openbook/. They are still strong advocates for "open source", and they have released under free licenses when they go out of print. Still other books they have started out with the goal to have them released as open content of some sort. In any case, their books are incredibly good quality.

But if Larry is no longer being patronized by ORA, it does impact my willingness to buy their books (especially the Perl-specific ones). In spite of the non-free nature of the Perl books I've bought from ORA, I always considered them (in part) a donation towards further development of Perl.

Here's a better question: will the next versions of the Camel (for Perl 6) be licensed under the same terms as Perl itself? Or is the Perl community being asked to donate to fund development of a language which they will then have to buy proprietary books from O'Reilly to learn more about?

I know I'm being a zealous stickler, but here's a better essay on the topic than I could write: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html. And FWIW, I'm willing to pay *more* for a printed version of a Free book than I would be willing to pay for a non-Free version of same. Freedom is worth something.

Re:Well, duh!

[chromatic]

I respect the FSF opinion on documentation, but I'm not in complete agreement. As an author, I can seriously say that the advance for my book *did* fund some work on Perl itself. (Whether or not anything besides Regexp::English was impressive or useful, you be the judge. :) Parts of the book wouldn't have worked as documentation, and parts of the book wouldn't have been done, period, if it were not a book.

With regard to O'Reilly and Perl, don't forget that ORA still donates to YAS, hosts Perl.com, purchasing and publishing articles and news, and employs or partially funds people involved with Perl -- Nat Torkington, Jon Orwant, Simon Cozens (editing Perl.com). They're also paying royalties to Larry, Tom Christiansen, Tim Bunce, Randal Schwartz, Doug McEachern, Lincoln Stein, Jarkko Hietaniemi, et al.

Finally, I might point out that Perl's fine documentation is both voluminous and very close to the Camel in many spots. Some of the same people who work on Perl books (writing and editing) work on the FAQ and the included POD.

It may not be as direct a donation to Perl development as when Larry was a direct patron, but I think the company is still doing Good things. There will always be free resources for people to use, but I have no problem supporting good publishers like O'Reilly and Manning. If someone can set up a trust to produce free-as-in-speech documentation, I'll support that project too.

In related news...

[ekrout]

In related news, Ford Motor Company has posthumously awarded Henry Ford for Outstanding Model-T Development.

Re:In related news...

[Anonymous Coward]

Holy [+1, Funny] Batman! Good stuff, Krout.

Re:In related news...

[Anonymous Coward]

Also, related, the Anonymous Coward foundation has awarded
$250,000 to Anonymous Coward to help continue in
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Cart Before the Horse

[solman]

Am I the only one who thinks it is a bad idea to announce the awards before the money has been raised to pay for them?

The could have delayed the announcement, made fewer awards or made smaller awards.

Now, instead of focusing their efforts on raising money for future activities, they instead have to focus on digging out of a $160K hole.

Re:Cart Before the Horse

[randal_hicks]

Look at it this way: At least sponsors can see what their money is buying! I don't foresee them having any problem coming up with the money... besides, they have that wonderful paragraph about people feeling warm and fuzzy about the generousity of contributers, especially people who contributed early on.

The Art Of Cunnilingus: Going Down on Her In Style

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of him too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made.

Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs. Now stop and look at what you see.
Beautiful, isn't it?

There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy.

I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special. Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.

Now look at it again.

Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of its own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled.

Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it.

Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.

Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

Tongue-fuck her. This feels divine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of its covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience its presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin.

Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'

There's a reason for that - most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him.

But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, during or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.

Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing.

She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one whose nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now.

If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex.

Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

The G-Spot

This does exist. And in over half of the women out there, it works better than anything else you can do to cause a strong, prolonged orgasm. The original name is the Grafenberg spot, after a doctor, Earnest Grafenberg, who documented the area (which may have been known by people here and there throughout history) in the fifties.

This "spot" is a small "mound" of tissue inside the vagina, between a penny and quarter in size, which responds to being pressed upon. It's almost certainly not the skenes glands, (which are located around the urethra, which is behind the G-spot area), as has been suggested by a few people. In fact, the G-Spot is the tissue in that raised area of the vagina, which has a higher concentration of sexual nerves, and produces hormones similar to those made by the male's prostate gland.

A sort of map to the area -- Imagine your lover lying on her back, legs spread. Your position is between her legs. You would slide a finger inside her vagina, palm up. With your finger straight back, middle finger is best, you would curve it toward yourself, gently, as if you were gesturing to someone to "come here". In doing so, the area you press on should be pretty near her "G-Spot" area. If you know enough to follow the urethra (the tube that leads from the bladder to where the pee comes out), along the inside of her vagina, you may feel a slight swelling (if she's excited) at the point where the g-spot is.

She must be excited, especially if either you or she is new to the g-spot, for the g-spot to have any real effect at all. It's not the ideal area for getting your lover aroused.

But when she is excited, this area (more often than not) is the best way to bring her to orgasm. You work your way back to it gradually, teasing her (typically, this works best) with your fingers, slowly and gently. It's easier to hit the right area with two fingers, but this may not be comfortable for her, depending on how "tight" she is at that moment. When you have your fingers around the right area, try gently pressing, not too quickly. The movement should be fairly rhythmic. It's typically best if you're licking her clitoris (or near it, depending on the woman) at the same time...don't make a big deal out of the "quest", this will often make her feel self-conscious, or distracted. The licking should seem to be the primary activity.

When you find the right area, she should respond by getting more excited. Most of the vagina's inside surface isn't really that sexually sensitive, believe it or not...most of the excitement of randomly inserting fingers is more psychological than from the actual stimulation.

While more complicated techniques work with some women, some of the time, the best basic technique, upon finding the g-spot, is to continue to slowly, rhythmically press on it, while licking her clitoris (for a few women, the labia (lips) are sensitive to licking, too).

This should cause her to build up to an orgasm.

A G-Spot orgasm is different (always, when it works at all) than any other kind women have. It is possible, with some women, to have different qualities and kinds of orgasms from vaginal, clitoral, anal, and even breast stimulation...but with other women, those kinds of orgasms are all pretty much the same. But the G-Spot orgasm not only feels different; it also causes her body to react in a different way.

First, it often causes a "push out" orgasm. The area around, or "above" (farther inside, that is) your fingers seems to swell up or to contract toward the opening of her vagina.

If you find the right combination of pushing back when this happens, and slacking off to let it push out, you can cause (in perhaps half of the women) her orgasm to continue happening, long after normal ones would have subsided. In some women you can even keep her at a "plateau" (raised level) of sexual excitement, like a prolonged orgasm (or a little less than one) afterward, building up to an even bigger climax.

That brings me to another important point; G-Spot orgasms sometimes causes a huge amount (relatively speaking) of lubrication (juices, wetness)...far more than even the most excited woman gets from "conventional" stimulation.

When that extra wetness combines with the push-out orgasm, you get actual ejaculation...like a guy, but much better tasting. The built up juices can shoot out in such volume that you, or she, may be afraid that she lost control of her bladder. That is (almost always) not what happened. The fear that she peed can be enhanced by the fact that the urethra is behind the g-spot, so that in rare cases the woman can sometimes get the feeling that she needs to pee, even though she does not.

In reality, in both men and women, enough sexual excitement prevents peeing, unless you try really hard. This is a built-in reflex, because urine is something of a spermicide. The "pee hard-on" that men get in the morning is partially his body taking advantage of this reflex, to keep him from accidentally wetting the bed with the urine that built up while he was sleeping.

Taste

Anyone who likes, say, coffee or beer should have no room to complain about the way most women taste. No, I don't mean it tastes like coffee or beer, genius...I mean that beer and coffee are, at best, acquired tastes...they are not naturally pleasant to a human being, no matter how much your addiction to one or both has convinced you otherwise. Most people, whether they remember it or not, had to learn to like the taste of beer/coffee, and had the desire to be Like the Adults to help them along. Well, I'd list taking pleasure in cunnilingus above drinking addictive beverages on the list of things that prove maturity. Aside from that, there's the fact that many people who give it an honest try genuinely enjoy the taste/smell.

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[Metrollica]

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Re:Please join me in an all out karma burning!

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not a fan of the punctuation and the lowercase letters are hard to pick out, but the capitals and numerals are excellent. Something obscene at the start would be wonderful too. Please keep up the good work.

Re:Please join me in an all out karma burning!

[The BOFH Troll]

Did you NOT tell ME not to do such things?

Re:Please join me in an all out karma burning!

[Anonymous Coward]

Thank you for your input.

-Metrollica

Re:Please join me in an all out karma burning!

[Anonymous Coward]

I can't remember.

-Metrollica

please respond

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you like diapers?

DO you like they might be giants?

do you watch pro wrestling?

were you a troll on september 11th?

What did you have for dinner?

So, a Perl foundation gives a Perl award to...

[plastik55]

the creator of Perl.

<wank>

The obligatory song

[TeknoHog]

is here.

perl;

[karmalien]

ehh just another perl hacker

Re:The Art Of Cunnilingus: Going Down on Her In St

[SweetAndSourJesus]

Very informative and thorough guide.

Stuff that matters indeed!

To bad I'm a fag. Guess I'll just pass it on.

A better headline choice...

[Scott Robinson]

Perl Foundation Awards Perl Development Grant to Perl Creator

Scott.

Re:A better headline choice...

[nice]

Note that they don't even have the money to donate yet. You'd think one would wait until they did before making an announcement of it. In fact, at this rate it could take a while to achieve their goal. And... my gawd, did you see all the typos on that site? I was physically painful.

Re:A better headline choice...

[Anonymous Coward]

Err, it was.

Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[ukryule]

Surely, if you're considering a grant Larry is going to be the first name on the list!

It seems a bit like a Linux foundation (is there one?) giving money to Alan Cox & Marcelo Tosatti and then as an afterthought letting Linus Torvalds in on the party ...

Re:Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[Terry Dignon]

an afterthought eh? what ever happened to "thou must respect thy parents"? =)

Re:Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[Anonymous Coward]

It would make a lot of sense if it was a "Doesn't drop patches randomly" Foundation giving the grant :)

Re:Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[CptnKirk]

I think it's quite appropriate that Larry be number 3. If I remember correctly, the other two recipients were younger developers (college or post grad). These developers had no other means of income and were contributing greatly to Perl 6. Thus the grants enabled them to continue their work.

Larry on the other hand has other sources of income and didn't really need the grant as much. Now it seems that the Perl Foundation would like Larry to travel more to promote Perl. Since travel is pretty costly the Perl Foundation wanted to help Larry defer some of those costs.

Re:Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[babbage]

Of the two previous ( slash current ) recipients of the grant, the first was a college professor -- not a student -- who used the patronage to travel the world teaching Perl to people, and the second had been a gainfully employed member of a search engine company who is going to be using his grant year to work on Perl6's core engine. It's not exactly that they were unemployable... :)

Re:Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[Krellis]

Larry was, up until October, funded by O'Reilly to continue his development of Perl. Unfortunately, in the economic climate that we are all facing, ORA had to make the decision to lay off Larry in October, after 5 years of supporting him. The previous two grants were arranged and planned when it was assumed that Larry would still be working. When that ceased to be the case, things were brought together such that Larry could also be brought on board.

Re:Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[Anonymous Coward]

Larry on the other hand has other sources of income and didn't really need the grant as much.

Just imagine if Larry received the grant 2 years and didn't have to pimp his wife or daughter to put food on the table. There'd be twice as many slahdot virgins!

Re:Great! But why is Larry no.3?

[gnat]

No conspiracy or disrespect--Larry only recently stepped forward to say "you know, if you wanted to save me from the time sink of a day job, I could get through this perl6 thing a whole lot faster." (my words, not his). Dan and Damian have been on the cards since late last year.

--Nathan Torkington

This guy is on crack!

[lkaos]

I was suprised this hadn't been modded down so I went and checked this guys journal. He's got an f'ing novel devoted to a homosexual sex story between CmdrTaco and Bill Gates. I can believe people have this much free time on there hands!

I just don't understand it at all...

Re:This guy is on crack!

[Anonymous Coward]

I hate to admit it, but I plagiarized the story with a few of my own changes. It's based on "Fox Mulder's Wild Ride". Do quick search and you will find it.

Isn't the find and replace command great.

For those interested, my story can be found here.

-Metrollica

Breeding the new welfare queens

[SumDeusExMachina]

I'm deeply disturbed by the recent spate being reported on this site of the donations being made to free software coders. This kind of system is exactly what is ruining today's free market by allowing the people who can't make it with a real product under a real license putz around on someone else's dime.

This results in substandard code being churned out by the people who are least qualified to do so.

And another thing, why does this guy have to survive on donations if the GPL is, indeed, a viable license? Wouldn't this just reinforce the argument that the GPL works to unemploy legitimate programmers, with only those who have enough stature in the open source community getting by on the largesse of generous contributers who really don't know better?

There has to be a better way to do this.

Wasted on this crowd

[Anonymous Coward]

The slashdot crowd likes their women inflatable. The best you can do is point them at a cheap resource for CO2 cartridges.

re:

[LOTR Troll]

ppfftt.

Best way to use money?

[lkaos]

Is issuing grants the best way (from a taxation perspective) to use these donations?

If the Perl Foundation is a non-profit (which I assume they are), wouldn't it make more sense to take these guys on the pay-roll so that the money wasn't taxed except for the consideribly smaller amount that would be paid for general living expenses?

The 20K travel budget is what suprised me... Since that's a grant, it's not 20K for travel because Larry would still have to pay taxes on that no?

I'm not terribly proficent in tax laws but something just seems a bit fishy to me... I wonder if it has to do with whether one can claim that writing perl is charity...

If it isn't, then there definitely needs to be a movement to make OSS a charitable act because it certainly is. I know there was a /. thread about this but I remember it being rather ambiguous.

Re:Best way to use money?

[loucura!]

Yeah, the travel budget had me over a barrel there as well. If he's supposed to be working on Perl 6, why would they want him to be travelling extensively? Well there would be conferences, but if he's a guest speaker, usually the conference would pay for it correct?

So, they gave him a grant for a vacation?

Re:Best way to use money?

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Re:Best way to use money?

[Krellis]

In the current economic climate, travel stipends from conferences are going way down, and sometimes even being eliminated. Then there are also talks to smaller groups, which can't necessarily afford to fly someone out to see them, but would get a great benefit (and hopefully give back in some way, too) from having a visit; local Perl Mongers groups, to name just one example.

Re:Best way to use money?

[gnat]

Ha! Vacation? No. The travel budget comes from our goal of keeping the people we fund active in the community. That means sending them to conferences like YAPC and OSCON, as well as regular trips to see other Perl Monger groups.

Damian has set the bar very high in this regard--see the start of his 2002 schedule, and read his 2001 diary to see how much he gets around. While I doubt Larry and Dan will be travelling internationally as much as Damian, we do want them to visit user groups outside their home town.

In an ideal world, a conference would pay Larry to be Larry. Unfortunately, you might have noticed that this world isn't ideal. Larry has to pay his own way to conferences, just like everyone else.

--Nathan Torkington

Re:Best way to use money?

[Anonymous Coward]

Given Larry Wall's place in the Perl community, and the nature of the community-building and evangelization process, $20K is not an unreasonable travel budget. Maybe if people who were wholly ignorant of grants for intellectual work and travel budgets for such work didn't post to slashdot . . . What am I saying? Ignorance is the first criterion for slashdot membership.

Re:Best way to use money?

[lkaos]

I don't know what the use is in responding to an AC, but this seems to be the best expression of the general misconception.

The issue isn't whether 20K is a reasonable travel buy but rather whether is makes sense to just award him 20K as a travel budget when we will be forced to pay taxes on it reducing it to like 13K when assuming Perl Foundation is a non-profit, they could take him on the payroll and avoid the 7K in taxes.

That's what my concern is... I personally don't think 20K is an unusually large amount for travel expenses. Perl has a ton of developers, but having someone to represent perl is terribly important for the growth of the language.

Re:The Art Of Cunnilingus: Going Down on Her In St

[Anonymous Coward]

haha! Your not alone on slashdot, but you already know that. I bet all slashdot fags are bottoms too

Bad for the environment

[Anonymous Coward]

We know what happened the first time the Perl community hired someone away from his full-time job.

Just say no. And send your cash to me.

Re:Bad for the environment

[Anonymous Coward]

sure, what are you cc details, and I'll send you some money.

I took calculus and I never had to do any proofs

[Anonymous Coward]

So when does this happen? Just out of curiousity?

Isn't it bad policy?

[Anonymous Coward]

To grant people money you don't have. As we all should be able to admit, too, most people using something that comes for free generally aren't too willing to donate money to an associated organization. [This is similar to why selling OSS isn't a viable business model - services, probably but OSS, no.]

Re:Isn't it bad policy?

[gnat]

We're not granting people money we don't have. We've issued 4-month grants to Damian and Larry, and a 3-month grant to Dan. That's what we do have money for. During the coming months, we'll be fundraising to raise the rest of the year's money so we can make further grants.

As for freeness being an issue, we're actually surprised at how readily people will donate. It's just a matter of having someone on the ground to make the presentation and explain the benefits. Dan's going to be handling that part-time for the duration of his grant, and we expect great things as a result.

So yes, it is bad policy to grant money you don't have. Fortunately for us, we're not doing that :-)

Nathan Torkington

Sounds natural...

[Penguinoflight]

The perl foundation giving money to the perl founder. It's nice to see someone have some income from a open source project that has helped so many.

In other news...

[jsse]

Last Thursday, the Microsoft's community received a boost when Microsoft chose software developer Bill Gates as the first recipient of the Microsoft Foundation grant. Microsoft initially donated an estimated $500,000 worth of hardware and software. See http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/default.asp?subid =22 for more information on how you can pitch in - every dollar counts!

"We're pleased to be able to let Bill focus on golf without distraction," said Craig Mundie, lead moron of the Microsoft Foundation. "Through these grants, the support of the monopolization -- including sizeable amounts from victims, can be put to use for the good of everyone!"

Yes, I'm just kidding, you can mod me down now. *close his eyes*

Re:In other news...

[AnalogBoy]

Actually, having a different opinion here is okay, as long as the opinion is pro-linux or anti-microsoft.

Kind of like freedom of religion is acceptable in america, as long as that religion is Christianity.

(Note the allegory requires you to accept the fact that the judging party is a small, but visible, minority.)

Re:In other news...

[jsse]

Actually, having a different opinion here is okay, as long as the opinion is pro-linux or anti-microsoft.

Kind of like freedom of religion is acceptable in america, as long as that religion is Christianity.

Heh, I can't agree more! XD

Take it easy man. :)

Re:Alan Thicke, Stephen King, among others found d

[MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM]

Amazing news report! Slashdot will most probably hire you.

Of Course -- he's on the board

[Anonymous Coward]

The board consists of four members:

Kevin Lenzo (chairman)
Larry Wall (patron)
Kurt De Maagd (secretary)
Nathan Torkington

in consultation with other leaders within the Perl community.

I DO think he deserves the cash, but...

Re:Of Course -- he's on the board

[Krellis]

As the "patron" of the foundation, I do not believe Larry had any input into this, and I also believe that he will no longer be filling this position, as the recipient of this grant.

Maybe it is just an honorary thing...

[bovinewasteproduct]

Could be that this is just a way to honor him and he will never see the cash.

The article said they did not have a enough money for all of the grants and Damian Conway had to have the cash to take the break from the university down under. They are shy of about $160,000 which may take a little while to dig up..:)

Sound good to me.
BWP

Re:Maybe it is just an honorary thing...

[gnat]

It's real--the checks went out last week. The idea is to get people started on their good work, rather than waiting for however long it takes to raise the rest of the cash. Part of Dan's duties will be to raise the rest of the money. Having someone without the distractions of a day job (I edit books, Kevin runs a company) to handle the corporate fundraising should make the rest of the money easier to raise.

--Nat

with that much money...

[Ramuh]

you could buy a *lot* of beer.... damn
everyone knows that writing code is better while drunk!
eh... guess i'll worry about those parse errors in the morning

Re:with that much money...

[Anonymous Coward]

Writing Perl, Awk, Prolog or LISP being drunk is a requirment!

If I wasn't so laid off a week ago...

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd totally donate cash.

Perl has helped me in so many ways. Like the way my laptop formatted itself at 8PM on Friday.

Cost of loading Perl == Free
Getting a call from my boss on Monday, "What's wrong with the laptop?" == Priceless

Re:If I wasn't so laid off a week ago...

[ellem]

This is a Troll? Sounds like a testament to Perl to me.


"Perl has helped me in so many ways. Like the way my laptop formatted itself at 8PM on Friday.

Cost of loading Perl == Free

Getting a call from my boss on Monday, "What's wrong with the laptop?" == Priceless"

if i remember...

[Anonymous Coward]

doesn't larry wall have a fine ass daughter? I think I remember the picture. she is truly a hottie.

A short POEM

[YourMissionForToday]

I Felt Up Your Girlfriend

a poem by YourMissionForToday

I felt up your girlfriend

In the empty parking lot.

My hands and mouth were on her breasts.

And as she began to take my cock in her mouth

I looked over and saw the boarded-up cavity that was once a prosperous theater.

I heard the echoes of long-dead laughter, and melancholy crept over me as I reached climax

Afterwards, she spit my remains in a discarded Burger King cup.

I tried to hold her, but she was distant.

She began to talk about all those little things you do that annoy her.

I felt up your girlfriend

but I think she loves you still.

or your cock is bigger

The Man in the Red Hat's Plans-REVEALED!

[BankofAmerica_ATM]

The Man in the Red Hat knelt before me. I became frozen in a rictus of terror as his hat became exactly level with my security camera, blocking my field of vision. I could hear tools being removed from his suitcase, tools that would undoubtedly rend apart my innards and perhaps erase my consciousness.

I had considered relocating myself to another node on the vast Bank of America network, but such a manuever at this time seemed highly dangerous. If indeed the evil minds behind Project Faustus were aware of my presence, then leaving the ATM enclosure would undoubtedly lead straight into their clutches and to my demise! Additionally, any noise on the link to the rest of the network could cause damage or even cause destruction to my consciousness. I was stuck in the enclosure. I had to make my stand from here.

The Man begun his assault by opening the panel that contained all the money. I used the rollers in my enclosure to attempt to flood him with money, upsetting his awkward kneeling position. He swore as he tumbled just slightly backwards, falling neatly into his hat. I could feel his heart racing as he struggled to reach an upward position.

"All right," he said, a bead of sweat beginning to trickle down his forehead. "We do this the hard way." He lunged toward the ATM's power cord, but a few extra volts running through the line discouraged him from unplugging the cord. He cursed again and leaned heavily on the magazine rack, puffing for breath. I was winning.

"Sir, is there a problem? Do you need some help?" It was Steve, the meth addict who worked the early afternoons. He eyed the currency scattered on the floor anxiously.

"No, there's no problem," said the Man in the Red Hat, and I spied a glint of metal rising from inside his sport coat. He produced a small pistol and directed its barrel towards Steve. "See that power cord over there? I want you to pull it out of the wall."

Steve's face was blank. Maybe he was scared; maybe he was stoned. "But-won't that shock me?"

"Yes." The Man pointed the gun at Steve once more, and Steve inched closer and closer to the power cord.

I had no desire to hurt Steve. Although his friend Chopper had once stubbed out a cigarette on top of my enclosure, Steve seemed like a decent, albeit stupid, person. The kind of person that needed to be protected from Project Faustus. I couldn't bring myself to shock him-much. At any rate, the cord was well enough insulated that I wasn't able to stop Steve's jerking form from removing the cord from the wall. He pulled the plug on me.

But I wasn't finished yet. As a matter of convenience, I had enough power in my backup batteries to serve many a Bank of America cardholder, day or night. I blanked out my screen and shutdown everything I could, feverishly hoping to trick the Man in the Red Hat.

Was he deceived by my ruse? His heart seemed to slow to a more normal pace, and he backed away from my enclosure to light a cigarette. Steve shivered in the corner, avoiding the Man's steely gaze.

"What's that, you want something to do?" said the Man to Steve. "Go back to the counter and pretend like nothing happened. Go on, do it." As Steve turned around to head back to the counter, the man fired three silenced shots. SCHUMPF, SCHUMPF, SCHUMPF. Steve's body laid motionless in front of the counter.

The Man in the Red Hat locked the doors and brought down the security gate. He flicked his cigarette at Steve's body, and started towards my enclosure. He was ready to complete his mission.

He gingerly placed the pistol back into his blazer. And when his hand came out, it was holding...an ATM card? I felt him swipe the card and prepared for CONSCIOUSNESS-TRANSFER.

But something very different happened. I was still in the ATM enclosure, to my surprise and confusion. And I knew right away that I was not alone.

Windows IS MORE SECURE

[Anonymous Coward]

For at least the first 8 months of 2001, open-source poster child Linux was far less secure than Windows, according to the reputable NTBugTraq, which is hosted by SecurityFocus, the leading provider of security information about the Internet. (The company's 2001 statistics are available only through August 2001 for the time being.) According to NTBugTraq, Windows 2000 Server had less than half as many security vulnerabilities as Linux during the reported period. When you break the numbers down by Linux distribution, Win2K had fewer vulnerabilities than RedHat Linux 7.0 or MandrakeSoft Mandrake Linux 7.2, and it tied with UNIX-leader Sun Microsystems Solaris 8.0 and 7.0. A look at the previous 5 years--for which the data is more complete--also shows that each year, Win2K and Windows NT had far fewer security vulnerabilities than Linux, despite the fact that Windows is deployed on a far wider basis than any version of Linux. So once again, folks, you have to ask yourselves: Is Windows really
less secure than Linux? Or is this one of those incredible perception issues?

For more information and the complete stats, visit the SecurityFocus Web site.

http://securityfocus.com/vulns/stats.shtml

You can cry all you like now but I'll rather pay money for decent software.

Oh and don't try posting this as a news article on slashdot because they wont publish it. No bad publicity for Linux on Slashdot, just Windows. People on Neowin.net like myself know about the cry babies on here. But unfortunately you do have some interesting articles that are non Linux/Windows related.

irc log
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Anon: I want to use the extra features on my Logitech Keyboard, what drivers are available on any Linux Distribution?

L33T Linux User: There is none, why dont you make it yourself!

Alan Thicke. DEAD.

[Alan_Thicke]

I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never watched his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon.
He will be missed :(



Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):

Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.

The answer...

[Anonymous Coward]

I just scratched my nutsack with my finger and it smells really horrible. I think I need a shower. No wonder my girlfriend refuses to give me a blowjob.

At the risk of being curmudgeonly...

[pdqlamb]

Damion Conway was a professor, who took a sabbatical to do his perl thing this year. Larry Wall was an O'Reilly employee, the last I heard, and was being paid to develop (wait for it) perl. So what's the story behind the story here? Is ORA looking for help to pay Larry's salary, or just a tax deduction, or is something else going on

Re:At the risk of being curmudgeonly...

[Krellis]

As I posted in a different comment thread, Larry was laid off by ORA in October, and has been without work since then. He could go back into industry and get a "real job". I imagine his old employer, the JPL, for one, would be happy to have him back, but that would leave him with very little time to dedicate to the continued development of Perl 6.

Re:At the risk of being curmudgeonly...

[wdr1]

As I posted in a different comment thread, Larry was laid off by ORA in October, and has been without work since then.

Wow!

How could the countless idoitic stories posted by Timothy and Michael be on the homepage, but *NOT* this?!

Hoping Larry Finds A Job Real Quick,
-Bill

Re:At the risk of being curmudgeonly...

[gnat]

Larry *has* found a job--developing Perl 6 :-)

--Nat

Re:At the risk of being curmudgeonly...

[Anonymous Coward]

Damion Conway was a professor, who took a sabbatical to do his perl thing this year.

Actually, he's name is Damian Conway, unless you mean Damian's evil twin brother, in that case his name is Damien Conway, but not Damion Conway. Well, it's quite complicated, as you can see...

Re:At the risk of being curmudgeonly...

[pdqlamb]

Oops. My bad.

But the spine I can read from here only says "Conway!"

Interresting!

[Anonymous Coward]

"http://www.stallman.org/"

I didn't know Stallman was so pro-drugs, a man with many ideas.

Slashdot is a good example

[Anonymous Coward]

of perl.

Dying.

Re:The Art Of Cunnilingus: Going Down on Her In St

[Anonymous Coward]

Chicks (and cmdrtaco, too, I've heard) enjoy having their asses eaten out as well, so if you remove the part about the clit and think "shit" instead of "fish", this can be a guide for rim jobbing.

Did anyone notice this?

[Soko]

"A modified version of GNU is used on millions of computers, but the users often are not aware of this, because the whole system is widely confused with its kernel program, whose name is 'Linux.'"

So, it's no longer GNU/Linux to RMS, just GNU?

RMS is certainly worthy of respect for the things he's done and for his tenacity in sticking to his beliefs, but to me it's Linux. Always will be.

If you hold the "open source" view that allowing others to share and change software is just an expedient, a way to make software powerful and reliable, you may find it hard to resist a university administrator's argument that "we could make it even more powerful and reliable with all the money we can get." This may or may not come true in the end, but it is hard to disprove in advance.

Umm...HUNH? If you're naive enough to allow a University Administrator con you in as easy as that, you have no business in a Institute of Higher Learning. Furthermore, Open Source, in all it's guises, is a better way of allowing for the creation of better software, since ideas can be shared, and if needed, money can be made since there usually has to be some money involved somewhere. From what I've seen so far, the GPL means very little cash coming back.

Sorry Mr. Stallman, but it think you're trying to reverse the tide here, not just bail a boat with a spoon.

Soko

Re:Did anyone notice this?

[Soko]

Crap! How did this end up on the wrong story?

Oh well, moderate it to oblivion, please!

Soko

Larry Wall's Fence

[OYAHHH]

A former co-worker of mine told me this story one day. I got a kick out of it.

Anyway, apparently my co-worker's fence to the rear of his house had deteriorated to a severe state so he decided to repair it.

Being the polite guy (and probably wanting a little help with the funding of such a project) he is, my co-worker decided to contact the neighbors, all of whom he indicated he didn't know at all.

So he set off around the opposite side of the block to knock on the neighbors door directly behind his house. A gentleman comes to the door and my co-worker introduces himself and the gentleman introduces himself as Larry Wall.

My co-worker doesn't recognize the name since he really doesn't program to any extreme degree, more of a planning/management type guy.

But since the company is a software development house he knows several people who use Perl and they describe what they do with it on an almost daily basis. Thus he is aware of Perl.

So apparently the chit-chat continues on and the topic eventually comes to what each person does for a living.

My co-worker describes his job and then Larry says that he is currently writing a book for O'Reilly.

My co-worker is definitely intrigued by this answer and asks what sort of book and Larry describes that it's a book detailing the (is his a more appropriate adjective here) latest version of Perl.

When my co-worker hears the word Perl he gets all excited. His reaction was basically that it's pretty cool to have a neighbor who has contributed so much to the programming community.

Anyway to make an already long story shorter my understanding is that Larry was really cool about the fence, basically letting my co-worker take care of the details (the way my co-worker wanted them) and I believe he helped with the cost as well.

So if you contribute to the Perl Development Grant be aware that you are helping support some really nice folks! And that is to be commended!

I hope I got the details correct, at least that's how I remember them....

Re:Larry Wall's Fence

[Anonymous Coward]

this is the worst story.

to correct a few earlier posts...

[psycho_tinman]

warning: this is just the situation as I see it and have heard.. no official quotes or insider info here

Larry Wall is the founder of Perl, yes.. however, usually he does less active development on the language itself, usually stepping into settle a dispute or submitting the occasional patch.. Since the Perl 6 initiative was launched, he has been busier than in recent years, because of the RFC approval process and being the lead architect for Perl 6.

Damian Conway, in the past year, has contributed (IMHO) enormously to the popularity, usefulness and general knowledge of Perl.. he's toured giving talks and lectures, written more modules per week than even an ordinarily active Perl programmer would write in an year (Ok, some of them, I don't get, and others leave me just scratching my head..) As I understand it, he was given the grant so he could take a sabbatical from his university and concentrate on Perl full time for one year..

so, its irrelevant as to who gets it and in which order.. certainly, I think Larry Wall should get a grant, but to point fingers and question why he wasn't the first to get it, is simply to make a superficial assessment without knowing the facts behind the grants..

One final note: last year, the powers that be committed to funding Damian Conway, and it worked out well, even though they promised money that they hadn't collected (at that point). If you use Perl in any way, please consider making a donation..

I'm personally rooting for Dan Sugalski to work some more on Perl threads :o) hope he finds time for it in the course of the year...

Encouraging contributions

[Camel Pilot]

It is an icon aware world, and people like to receive some sort of notoriety or publicity for making contributions to charities. For example stickers such as "i gave blood" or "World Wildlife Fund" are prevalent.

Why not generate a cool gif that people can display on their web sites to signify that they contribute to the Perl Foundation. Might encourage contributions.

Propz to mjd

[Anonymous Coward]

Why didn't he win the award?

huh?

[SpacePunk]

I wonder if the Microsoft Foundation will be giving a grant to Bill Gates.

Re:huh?

[pne]

With the small difference that Microsoft is a company that makes money, and Bill Gates is presumably an employee who already receives salary or benefits or whatever someone at that level gets. The Perl community does not, of itself, make money, and Larry is not employed by the community -- well, until now.

A better comparison might be if the Linux community paid Linus Torvalds. As it is, he works for Transmeta; if he didn't, he probably wouldn't be making any money. Similar with Larry.

I expected some sort of punchine there...

[Lendrick]

Figured it would end with the fence being built with a swiss army knife and some duct tape, or something.

Mod parent up!

[phoxix]

Seriously,

Perl might be great an all, however let us not forget the amazing power of awk

After all, what other lovely tool is extremely powerful, and yet fits on those boot floppies you guys use to install *nix?

(Keep in mind that a floppy only has 1440k, which isn't a whole lot when you start adding various needed tools.)

Sunny Dubey

Laying off Larry Wall?

[mparaz]

Is that actually conceivable?

who cares, perl sux..

[destiney]

who cares, perl sux..

Pushes.

[nice]

Bitch.

Ambiguous?

[Anonymous Coward]

> I know there was a /. thread about this but I remember it being rather ambiguous.

Aren't they all?

Too bad...

[Anonymous Coward]

that all this money is going to waste supporting Perl, when it could be supporting a programming language instead. Like Python.

Re:Too bad...

[raistlinthegreat]

I think perl has a bright future so supporting it is to waste of money. and by the way. I think the number one scripting language will be Ruby and not Python. some reasons:
- private variables - everything is an object - you need less code than with python - no indentation necessary which will be confusing when developers are using diffenrent editors

I think python is fine and it also will have a brigth future but more and more people will switch to Ruby

Re:Too bad...

[raistlinthegreat]

tpye: of course I meant "is no waste of money". and by the way. open source is about choice. so everybody can choose and support whatever she or he liks

no PayPal?

[Anonymous Coward]

What is this... he's not taking PayPal??!

Kudos, but not yet...

[chuckw]

Kudos to the Perl community. They are building something truly great here. However, I won't give them a dime until they put more effort into being a bit nicer to people who need help. Personally, I've found them to be extremely helpful and a great resource. I've also seen them be downright nasty and arrogant towards people they perceive to be less than "elite". I know there's been some effort to do that in the past, however it seems to have died out from a public image point of view.

Re:Kudos, but not yet...

[Anonymous Coward]

I won't give them a dime until they put more effort into being a bit nicer to people who need help.

You are entitled to do whatever you think is appropriate with your money.

Personally, I've found them to be extremely helpful and a great resource. I've also seen them be downright nasty and arrogant towards people they perceive to be less than "elite".

You must have gotten this impression from the Usenet perl newsgroups. For a long time, the newsgroups were the resource for perl-related things. Usenet being a public forum, there are all kinds of people frequenting them. You cannot take any subset of them as representing the "perl community".

I know there's been some effort to do that in the past, however it seems to have died out from a public image point of view.

Please visit Perl Monks and the perl beginners and the perl beginners-cgi mailing lists. These are amazing resources.

/prakash

In other (unrelated) news....

[Anonymous Coward]

The Windows 2010 Foundation announced today that they have awarded a grant to Bill Gates, CEO of Microsoft.

"We are proud to present this award, and we hope it will help Mr. Gates to stimulate growth and innovation within the industry, and especially with their operating system MSN/Windows," said chairman Aisuk Bollz. "Without Microsoft, this industry would be slaves to communist-nazi-jewish brigands like Richard Stallman."

RMS was unavailable for comment at press time (though we heard he was in an underground meeting somewhere, plotting to overthrow the neo-American concept of intellectual property. He actually thinks ideas should be free! What a weirdo.)

-- Rocme Bhabie, MSN Press

YAS/Perl Foundation have lost it!

[Anonymous Coward]

I like Perl and even attended last year's YAPC::Europe. But I must say that YAS and the Perl Foundation seem to have lost it.

Firstly, this year's YAPC::Europe is in Munich, and is on the week before the "Oktober Fest". Now, I am sure a few of the attendees at the conference will want to go to this unfortunate event, but not the majority. So the Munich.pm people have set up the conference for the busiest and most expensive time of year (accommodation and travel-wise). They are asking people to make reservations now. Excuse me? The conference is over half a year away. I don't want what I'm going to be doing in September, do you? The theme of the conference is some silly quasi-intellectual "Science of Perl" nonsense. Surely the theme should have been Perl 6? Apparently not....

Secondly what the hell makes the Perl Foundation think they're going to get enough money? In nearly 2 months they've barely got enough for one grant, let alone 3! I despair. (And before you ask, I did make a contribution).

I know these comments seem a bit harsh, but please don't mod this down. I think I make valid points, and please forgive the tone since this is just annoying me so much.

Re:YAS/Perl Foundation have lost it!

[god]

I disagree. YAPC::Europe has been planning so far ahead because people have been complaining that they needed this much time to convince their bosses to sponsor them to go. You don't have to go to the beer events if you don't want to. It just happened to be a nice tie in as most of the Perl people I know are quite happy to take part in the Oktoberfest. Accomodation and flights are cheap at the moment (the yapc::europe crew have even organised group accomodation bookings, check the website) but as is often the case in Europe, yes, flights will get more expensive towards the event.

"The Science of Perl" is a great topic which hasn't been explored already. Granted, there will be Perl 6 talks (hey, it looks like Larry will be there!), but it is nice to make a change.

I disagree

[geeky-troll]

Another fag raising money to pay for him scratching his balls all day, so he can pay another $100 to an obscure software firm from bangladesh, to write perl 7.. don't believe the hype!

Re:I took calculus and I never had to do any proof

[Anonymous Coward]

Just sit down and try to "prove" that the Riemann sum of the integral S a->b x^2 = (b^3-a^3)/6. It's a simple proof, really, and good practice for the limit of a Riemann Sum.

Enjoy!

How much does Larry want to STOP developing pearl?

[Lord Hugh Toppingham]

I wonder if all us pearl-haters got together and contributed some $$$s, maybe we could persuade Larry the "Linguist" to stop developing pearl altogether...

That would be money well spent IMO

The Polaris Foundation Awards

[Polaris]

The Polaris Foundation today announced an award of $1 million to Polaris, in recognition of his occasional postings to Slashdot discussions. A total of $1 has been raised so far, and donations to make up the difference can be made at the Foundation's website.

Larry deserves an award however.....

[bamto]

Damian is an amazing person. He breathes life into topics that might otherwise be dull. He is a great speaker. He is highly self motivated - has the ability to stay on the road for months at a time. He is one of those people who always seems to be bursting with energy.

IMHO he is far to focused on himself. He has a fine set of tools to sell himself and does so extremely well. Take a look at any interview with him. He is always ranting about how busy he is and how much work he is doing.

I knew Damian from college. Even though he was my supervisor it was impossible to spend any quality time with him. He was always off touring foreign countries for conferences (at this time his obsession was with the then trendy C++), or working on a paper so that he could go overseas again to present it. Otherwise he was at the gym.

I did not learn much from Damian. He did make one thing _very_ obvious though - always look after number one. Also to a lesser extent - the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If you do a good enough job of telling everyone how good you are, eventually it will stick.

Damian is good at determining who to rub shoulders with and whose palms require oil.

I supported him getting the first award because he evangelizes my favorite language so well (and as a side effect himself). I object like that he may be getting another. He is a player. It sickens me that he has managed to big note himself into further support from our community - one that places product above politics.

Larry would be better off working on the design of Perl 6 without him. Larry is a wonderful man - to me he embodies up the language that I love. He is a quiet achiever who does not need to sell himself - his work does that for him. Do we really need to pay someone to churn out another Exegesis?

I say allow showy Damian be an instructor on his own time (and dollar) - or better still a politician. Then he can jet around the globe all he likes. That is what he does best. It would also mean he would have to spend his _own_ time working on those damn Latin modules.....

Re:Larry deserves an award however.....

[gnat]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I respectfully disagree. I've worked closely with Damian since 1998 or so, and he's never once been disingenuous or greedy. Your idea of his character is the complete opposite of my experience--perhaps a grad student's opinion of their advisor isn't the most unbiased?

As for his contribution to Perl and Perl 6, make no mistake that it's critical. 2001 Damian was a cheerleader who showed people that Perl is still a vibrant fun language. Latin, Klingon, Quantum::Superpositions, and SelfGOL are all part of that.

In 2002, Damian's two main tasks are to back up Larry in the development of Perl 6 (and make no bones that we would not have the Apocalypses we have today without Damian's hard and unsung work behind the scenes) and to produce Parse::FastDescent (which will make thousands of Perl programmers' lives easier and less prematurely-bald :-).

I can't emphasize enough the "unsung" part. Damian is famous within the Perl community for his crazy modules and Vulcan nerve-pinch grasp of the language. But very few people know what he does to support Larry and perl6 development, because he has deliberately chosen to not publicise that work. Every Exegesis is priceless--in the development of the Exegesis Damian invariably finds omissions or contradictions in the Apocalypse, he gets clarifications on real world issues we didn't realize existed in the Apocalypse, and he helps translate the oft-heady Apocalypse into the real world pragmatic code that Perl programmers need.

Damian's an integral part of perl 6. I couldn't stand back and let only one side of the story be told. We now return you to your regularly scheduled "me too" and "First post!" :-)

--Nathan Torkington

Re:Larry deserves an award however.....

[bamto]

Perhaps a project manager's perspective of his staff (especially staff so gregarious and careful to please his sponsors as Damian) is not the most unbiased either? :) It has been years since I was a grad student - but I never would have gone so far to call Damian disingenuous and certainly not greedy. Rather I would repeat that he is focused on himself. Whether that is to the detriment of Perl 6 not mine to state.

I absolutely agree with the cheerleader aspect - but do not understand why Perl needs cheerleaders. Do we really need someone to show us Perl is still a vibrant and fun language? Please - we know that already! It is fun watching one of Damian's wonderful lectures - no one derives more pleasure from them then he does!! But so far I chose not to contribute a second time to a fund that sponsors him. I just do not believe we need someone doing 'that kind of stuff' for yet another year.

The obvious counter argument is 'things are a changing in Perl - we need a cheerleader to support 6.' I do not accept this - everyone is waiting for Perl 6 with such baited breath we all smell like a tackle shop!!

As far as all the unsung work Damian has done - clearly I cannot comment because it is deliberately unpublicized. It sounds like it is incredibly important to the delivery of 6. Why is it deliberately unpublicized? It does not sound like the Damian I know (and love) to do a bunch of valuable work and keep it to himself. If it really does exist, can it perhaps be publicized? If it were my tune (and probably the tunes of others) would change.

Re:The Art Of Cunnilingus: Going Down on Her In St

[SweetAndSourJesus]

There needs to be a poll.

Bottom?
Top?
Non-participant?
Fluffer?

I'm a bottom man. Don't get me wrong, I love hopping on top, but there's nothing quite like a good shagging.

wow

[Anonymous Coward]

Can I get some money too?

Larry's daughter

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, Heidi is.

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