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Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.1.3
nbvb
submitted what I'm pleased to say is our first
apple.slashdot.org
story. We'll be posting more news for our sizable
Apple population there in the future. Anyway, He says
"Apple today released Mac OS X 10.1.3. Be sure to click your "Software Update" and "Install" buttons! (Hey, if we can get an announcement every time a new point rev of a development kernel hits the FTP sites, can't we hear about Mac OS X?)" As usual, user reports of the new release have been both positive and negative.
Can we have this theme on the other pages?
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
The new DVD player can show movies on the external monitor attached to my PowerBook G4. That was the only remaining regression OS X had versus OS 9 on my machine. I'm a happy sometimes-OSX user now :)
Warning, Slashdot Conspiracy Theory:
I think someone just wanted to use the new apple icons...
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Now, I'm a Mac user and do the rounds off all the Mac info and rumors sites each day as well as thoroughly reading evey article on /. having to do with Apple, so don't get me wrong. But, I guess I'm wondering why Apple stuff is being broken out? What's the reasoning? Will we have a windows.slashdot.org soon? Isn't this just going to make it possible to hide possibly interesting articles from people on the main page that don't visit apple.slashdot?
"Let your heart soar as high as it will. Refuse to be average." - A. W. Tozer
I hit the update button in the tools menu, and it didn't mention anything about 10.1.3.
:-(
All it gave me was some "Welcome to Windows Update" page.
alias uptime="echo '5:33pm up 22342352324 days, 6:28, 2124315623 users, load average: 2432.40, 12312.31, 123123.19'"
Out of the loop? Hardly. You were one of the first 10 people to post in the brand new section about Apple on Slashdot. Apparently, you are in the middle of the loop.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
http://bsd.slashdot.org
A Mac-branded portion of Slashdot, complete with oogly googly prettiness in the form of gradients and rounding.
.slashdot.orgs would have to be:
The message being broadcast to me on a quick hop around the
Apple = Pretty, ooh, ooh
Linux = Ugly, stinky, green
BSD = Red
Hm.
Anyway, this is far too hi-fi for me. Back to ugly, stinky, green.
-l
p.s. Why is Science ugly, stinky, green, too? Science and Linux don't look even nearly similar, I dual boot them!
You may remember when Apple permitted clones that Apple almost went under. This was because the clones were causing Apple's finances to hemorage like a hemophilliac.
I agree it would be nice to have OSX for my PC. I'd dump Windows in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, doing this would also mean the end of Apple, so its nothing but wishful thinking.
*sigh*
Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I'll never know.
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Apple Macintosh:
1. Nope
2. Work
3. Home
4. Work and Home
5. Cowboy Neal eating an apple. Yum.
I guess this counts as a First Story, not a First Post? :-)
--NBVB
(Whee, my first accepted submission, too!)
Actually, it doesn't beg the question.
Anyone know if, by chance, they have fixed the annoying finder issue where folder views are not kept?
This is an issue with me that's actually addressed in the KB. They state it will be fixed in a future OS revision. Anyone else think that's kind of lame?
I happened to be in the process of downloading 10.1.3 when I came across this discussion on Slashdot. The installation was effortless, and it's great to have system software that's less than 24 hours old. But when I rebooted and selected "About This Mac," the box came up saying 10.1.3 is installed, "Copyright 1983-2001 Apple Computer."
Oops! Fortunately, other than that little oversight, 10.1.3 seems amazing so far. Rock solid and gorgeous.
I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
Slashdot got Aquified!! i hope this isn't some sort of plot to keep us apple-ites separated from you "real" computer enthusiasts ;) J/K, I have noticed a lot more coverage of Apple stuff since OS X started gaining steam in the tech community, and I really appreciate it. Also i think its funny that you guys remade the UI elements in aqua fashion.
:)
Mac users may have to fight for respect and fend off the "condolences" of our Windows counterparts a lot of the time, but its nice to know that we have Slashdot on our side, or at least not berating us. Thanks for the recognition guys!!!
Oh, and 10.1.3 RULES. easy flawless upgrade. System keeps getting snappier and more impressive. I'm dying to see 10.2: The Return of Sping-Loaded Folders! Excuse me while i trip out to my killer iTunes visuals on my 27" television
At home, I run fetchmail, UW Imap/pop3, and postfix. (Some excellent instructions for installing it are here at Stepwise), Image Magick, Gimp, and some other Open Source programs on OS X. I also use BBedit and Microsoft Office X. (And I can say that Entourage is a far superior program to the one I have to use with Windows.)
The good news: Nothing broke. 10.1.3 didn't rewrite any mail settings, so all of my mail continued to come in/get sent out just fine.
The bad: Still no focus-follows-mouse, multiple desktops, or the ability to connect to my wife's printer on her Windows 98 box.
I did have a problem with Samba for a little bit (I have another computer running Win98 I use just for games playing). Once I turned off the SMB service and turned it back on, it worked fine.
Some of these things comes from a former KDE user (ie: focus-follows-mouse, etc), but overall, since it didn't break anything, I'm assuming all went well. As person who used Linux 90% of the time up until last week, OS X is still surprising me by all the little nice things they put in.
52 Weeks, 52 Religions with John Hummel
I think it is a cool idea since now, because of Apple, BSD has a 3 to 1 lead over Linux on the Desktop. Take that Tux!
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
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Now, because I'm at work I haven't had a chance to install the 10.1.3 update. Someone please tell me they did some Aqua or ATI 3D optimization on the Rage chipset in the new iBooks. That is -all- I want! Also, I haven't really seen much comments or reports on the update, since Apple doesn't publish a really big CHANGELOG. But Macintouch has a fairly huge reader reports section. If not, I guess I'll have to wait for the next 10.2 beta.
Anyone know how to make non-supported DVD drives play with OS X DVD player.app? I have an LG 12x burner 8x DVD that is supposed to work according to xlr8yourmac.com - it'll work fine in OS 9 but no love from 10.1.2. Cool. Have fun!
-Pat
It's because they're tired of Apple user's tireless honest answers to stupid flames:
CmdrTaco: Oh yeah, the new xMac is out. It can burn DVDs and run BSD software while preparing you a tasteful, healthy meal for you every day and never needs to be taken for a walk, and it actually looks halfway decent, but I won't ever use it because it ships with a one-button mouse.
Mac-using hordes: BUY A GODDAMN $10 3-BUTTON MOUSE ALREADY!
Taco: All right, I'm sectioning off a Mac ghetto and sending you there so I don't have to listen anymore.
BTW, I couldn't post to this article without going through apple.slashdot.org. That's annoying. And a shiny ugly green theme is still an ugly green theme.
I have a positive modifier on Troll. When I mod someone Troll their karma should go UP!
Ah geez people:
s oft.slashdot.NET
/. is all about? It's a multiculture (well, geek-culture of course) discussion and news forum. Maybe it has it's own mind, but at least every opinion is hosted.
/.
apple.slashdot.org
windows.slashdot.COM
micro
freebsd.slashdot.edu
what's the point in separating ourselves from the rest in what
First poll suggestion:
cease apple.slashdot.org?
O Yes, please post all mac news on the real
O Maybe, I dunno
O No, I don't care about the rest, Apple is my leader
O what's a poll?
Question: What does this do to Macslash? I've always looked to them for info first (although the conversations were admittedly dead and moderation points were nonexistant) and they're apparently in a bit of a financial scrape. Personally, I'd rather an active discussion here than dead air there, but I'm still curious. Triv
It's probably a very strategic move into the space of mac info/rumors sites, ~because~ those sites have a dedicated following like /., but with a splintered offering of niche info. In other words, Can /. rule the mac weblog space?
/. will have to deal with or risk dissolving its brand.
Slashdot was probably asking themselves "Why not use our brand and slashcode to bring a superior geek news site to a community that has demonstrated their desire for this kind of content."
The problems you bring up are going to be issues
P.S. I used to visit macosrumors everyday, then they posted a link to this new site "Slashdot"... 1997?
Locked up during the "Optimizing OS X" portion of the install. Cursor moved, but no apps responded. I almost expected this, as I read about install lockups with tibook users. I was not immune.
Powered off, and rebooted. Ran 'sudo update_prebinding -root', which is what "Optimizing OS X" usually means. Seems to work like a champ, now. I notice a little speed increase.
% uname -a
Darwin neptune.sps.lane.edu 5.3 Darwin Kernel Version 5.3: Thu Jan 24 22:06:02 PST 2002; root:xnu/xnu-201.19.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
Never ceases to amaze me how much people dismiss Apple out-of-hand simply because its not a free OS.
... heh.
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I love Linux and what it represents, but it is NOT a viable alternative for people who just want a computer to WORK out of the box when they bring it home.
It is NOT a viable alternative for graphics professionals, video professionals, and although can be suited for use as a desktop OS in a corporate "office" type environment, it lacks the easy-to-install-and-configure aspect that is holding it back from displacing Windows entirely in corporate America (who could save billions every year by switching to Linux if they were smart).
Apple, to be fair, is more pricey. But as has been noted MANY times, the total cost of ownership over time is dramatically lower. Linux and Apple should co-exist peacefully. If I want a box for internet surfing and mail checking and light office work and didn't want to spend much $, you're damn right I'd build a cheap linux box. But if I want a computer I can use for EVERYTHING, that works as advertised, with minimal effort in maintenance, where everything i do and need and use on a daily basis is provided immediately upon opening the box and plugging it in, I'll take a Mac, thank you.
Oh, and as a side note, i have never in over 2 years recieved a single bit of spam at my Mac.Com email address. Wanna know why? They don't sell out their customers.
And don't give me the upgradability thing..... I just took my B&W G3 350 purchased almost 3 years ago and once again made it a screamer with 1GB of RAM, a new G4 500 proc., an 80GB drive, and a new Radeon 7000. Plus a nice FireWire 16x10x40. It can still crush a P4 1GHz easy. yes, I know they're up to 2.2 Ghz, but Apple's got dual 1GHz
check out:
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http://www.appl
What I would really like is a topic where all these Linux 2.2.0.2.3.4.1.3 and MacOS X 10.1.3 updates are posted so I can skip them. I like to read about a substantially new version of an OS, but why should we be bothered with these minor bug-fixes. The people who use the respective OS's will learn about the update from their own sources (I learned about this update from 5 sites before Slashdot told me about it) and the others couldn't care less about minor fixes that don't affect them.
Besides, the most important reason to read slashdot is for the comments and these topics get the worst comments of all. It's mostly trolling (Mac/Linux/BSD rulez/sucks) and uninteresting trivia (did you know that this update fixes DVD on external monitors?). Get me some serious technology news that illicits comments about the problems of EPIC or an ethical story about censorship.
The Drowned and the Saved - Primo Levi
Check out Space for multiple desktops. Not quite true multiple desktops but I can't imagine OS X without it.
Why can't I moderate something "Wrong" or at least "Grossly Misinformed"?
Carbonized or rewritten completely in Cocoa?
(I really tried, I just couldn't help myself)
This
I'm very pleased to say it also works great on the Powerbook G3 (Pismo/Firewire) ;-)
Just tested it on my TV and on an external monitor, all I can say is SWEEEEEET
Together with an Cordless Optical Mouse from Logitech it's the ideal makedue DVD platform
Now al we need is support for VCD and SVCD under OSX. And maybe mp3 audio support in quicktime so we can play Divx without all that conversion stuff.
Apple really dropped the proverbial ball on that one if you ask me. I thought it was THE multimedia OS ?
Oh, well I'm already happy I can play my copy "Hackers" when I'm in need of my regular fix of pure Bullshit.
blaah !
Somewhat open Apple goodies:
Quicktime Streaming Server
Darwin, the base guts of Mac OS X
Apple/Genentech BLAST
OpenPlay (game sprockets)
Not to mention that SourceForge now has Mac OS X boxes on their compile farm...
Hmmmm. I'm wondering if, with the advent of apple.slashdot.org, I'll be able to come here, make pro-apple comments, and more easily get Karma.
Not that I don't have better things to do with my time... and most Apple fans I know really aren't drooling idiots.... but one has to wonder if segmenting the audience would lead to this kind of change in moderation.... kindof like talk radio shows don't tend to attract people whose views diverge wildly....
Just a thought...
Libertarianism is rich wolves and poor sheep playing gambler's ruin for dinner.
apple.slashdot.org has been around for over a year. It is called MacSlash and it is run by actual Mac users.
First, I have to say, I've had no problems with 10.1.3, and it works fine on my PowerBook G4.
About the apple.slashdot.org site: does this mean that Apple stories won't be cross-posted to the regular slashdot site? If they are still cross posted, then that's cool.
If not, I see a problem: partitioning Apple-related stories away in a separate site from general science, technology, YRO, and other non-Linux stories seems counterproductive and silly. I mean, there's a reason why MacSlash doesn't get a tenth of the traffic as Slashdot. That is, as a Mac user (and Linux and Windows user), I don't care to visit another site that only covers Mac stuff; that's what Macintouch and MacCentral are for.
So if this site is going to be like the latter, you should have done a poll to see which topic had to get off the swingset and play by itself.The Aqua-fied slash look is pretty cool, though.
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
... is in the Detect Displays button on the Displays System Preferences pane. Previously, to get my laptop to recognize an external display, you'd have to put it to sleep & wake it back up. This wasn't a big deal, since OS X can go to sleep & wake back up in about 4 seconds total. But, it's nice to have a button to detect other monitor(s) on the fly.
And on a random external-monitor point, it blows people away when you're doing an Powerpoint presentation, then you pull up a pretty translucent terminal for a Unix-y CLI demo, then you start up an X-served app, all from a little Mac laptop. It amazes me that so many *nix folk still don't appreciate the phenomenal job Apple has done w/ OS X.
--Mid
If you're kind of person who really wants to know how much is in an "update" (Measly bullet points doesn't do it justice): /Library/Receipts/MacOSXUpdate10.1.3.pkg/Contents/ Resources/MacOSXUpdate10.1.3.bom"
"lsbom
Will produce a file listing... piped to WC, there's 1832 files/folders involved in this "litte" fix.
What happened to MacSlash.org
If thsi si the same thing, why the "new" site?
If it isn't, why don't you leave this to them?
I just installed 10.1.3: the install froze on my titanium g4 about 1/3 of the way through the "optimization" phase. I rebooted after the system became unresponsive and it looks like all the updates are in place, although 10.1.3 isn't listed as having been installed on my Software Update Log.
Getting IMAP+SSL support in Mail is huge for me since that's the only way into my mail server (short of pine over SSH!). Unfortunately, Mail doesn't seem to support SMTP+SSL, so I have to rely on local relays which change depending on my connection. What a simple feature to add and what a joy that would bring to me!
It's a good update, but some loose ends remain.
David E. Weekly
Code / Think / Teach / Learn
h4x0r for
It might be possible to work out a scheme using mouse acceleration to determine whether the user is shooting for the menubar at the top or a window. If there were certain characteristics of the mouse pointer accelerating towards the menubar that are different from those of a mouse pointer accelerating towards a window, it might be possible to use the differences in acceleration to make a distinction between the two situations and be able to apply the following focus to only when the pointer is meant to hit the window.
Of couse, this would probably require serious quantities of HCI experiments and a damn fine usability lab. Some AI work might also be necessary. But it is theoretically possible.
>DON'T use a lot of hacks, particularly ones that screw
>with the forbidden System folder of OS X (unlike the OS 9
>System Folder, this is Apple's area--unless you really
>know what you are doing, stay out. The things you usually
>find in an OS 9 Sys Folder are found in your Home folder,
>in the Library folder.)
Here, here! I've been hearing a lot of complaints from people (particularly on Macintouch) that say that Mac OS X is giving them problems. After listing all the things that don't work for them, they let loose that they're using Tinkertool, messed around with moving their swap file, they ran the public beta initially and never did a low-level format of their hard drive, or they're running it on a old 9600 with a G4 upgrade and the required kernel hacks to get it working.
I have had no significant problems with updates on Mac OS X. I ran the Public Beta a while ago, but I took the time to do a low-level format before moving to the final version. You couldn't pay me to go back to Mac OS 9 (in fact, on my new PowerBook, I haven't allowed Classic to start even once).
In short, if you play with fire, don't be surprised if you get burned.
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.