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Mono's MCS Compiles Itself On Linux
thing12 writes "On Thursday Paolo Molaro announced that he had managed to build the MCS C# compiler using MCS. This is a big step forward for Mono, as it means that Mono is almost a self hosting environment."
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program java in java. that would be cool. i guess. wait, no, more useless than cool. wait no, that applies to this article too then.
can it be true?????
woot, way to go me. I've really accomplished something. unless someone else posted before i could finish this.
That was a really gay story. Thankyou for that, Hemos.
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Seems they have managed to take yet another step since this slashdot article.
It's nice to know that it can build itself, too bad that then it immediately crash and brun. /.?
It's a good step in creating a self - sufficent Mono implementation.
But didn't that story already appear on
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How many of you have worked with this?
The release does mention that MCS could be compiled, but that the resultant executable immediately crashes. Close, but still more work is needed before this is really an exciting milestone.
Kudos to the Mono team for the work they've done so far, however.
Lol, you guys sure have a short memory. This article was posted two months ago, here.
.NET.
If this was in fact news though, I'd mention that this will bring more linux developers to mono, thanks to there being a compiler for it that isn't just for
I want to see .net crash and burn
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According to what previous articles said, I can guess RMS may not be too happy with this. Any idea, what happened to the election for Gnome Board. RMS was fighting for it in order to counter the Mono threat. Poor guy already had his hands full of Microsoft when this comes along.
My mom never taught me to sign.
I don't understand much about technology or Linux, and I don't follow it too closely. So can someone tell me what is the point of having a program self compiling? It looks to me its mainly for show and not very useful, not something I thought was common in the Open Source community.
Lately I have been feeling isolated while reading Slashdot. Not knowing all the common abbreviations and whatnot. Try to explain more about things instead of believing everyone already knows everything. I think Slashdot should try to adapt more to the newbie instead of only to the veteran.
Here is a picture of Miguel's wife.
bleh
What came first - the chicken or the egg? Well in this case it was the monkey :o)
I think this is great work from the Mono team. They've passed one of the biggest hurdles in implementing a compiler. At university we have been using Java in situations where they *could* have made us use c#. If in the future they do say "we want you to use c#", I can happily stay on my linux box and use it. It's always good news when there's yet another thing that Linux can do just as well as MS.
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I miss him.
BTW - Nice work Klerck.
>sigh i guess this will resurrect the tired old .NET v. mono flames and wars again? oh well... i guess we gotta have SOMETHING to do during the last few days of our recession, eh?
speaking of which, saw a report last week that the recession here is fading and some speculate it might be over!! wooo!! go economy!! wooo!
oops, that was off-topic..crap...
Posting anonymous for a reason
.NET project is growing, and quite rapidly too. Personally, i'm not too crazy about .NET nor Mono, because I believe this may cause a bit of a chaotic scene to old programs that many people will use. And yet, .NET allegedly uses old dynamic link libraries to support these program, who knows how efficient that will be. The fact is, work at our own pace, leave us/them alone. Mono also lacks sponsorships of any kind.
The thing is.. Mono will not get far at all. Microsoft and its
A)Iraq may still be holding an American POW from Desert Storm (see drudge)
B)Muslims are filthy monkey-beasts that need to all die. How best to do this? NEWS AT 11 MY FRIEND!!!
then they laugh at you,
they they fight you,
then Miquel sells out...
Miquel thinks he can ride the tiger.
He will find too late, that he cannot.
Miquel's obsession is a gift to Microsoft.
I read the interview, and frankly his comments
about MS disgusted me.
Oh and by the way this isn't your anticipated
KDE troll, it's the just the way I feel.
If anyone is trolling here it is Miquel .
I am into the copy and paste.
Yeah, guys. Way to go. Instead of fighting .NET and so Mono is a huge step backwards.
.NET by ignoring it (worked for ActiveX), you are using valueable resources to imitate it.
And comparing certain other technologies,
We had code mobility, distributed apps, services (including web services) two years ago.
BTW, you're now under surveillance :-*
Personally, I don't give a shit. I know how stupid they are...
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
We had code mobility, distributed apps, services (including web services) two years ago
Yeah, but like everything else your open sauce hippies try to force on the rest of the world, it totaly sucked.
Maybe that's just because it runs on linux, and everyone knows, LINUX SUCKS.
Does anyone actually think Microsoft will really be supportive of Mono? It already appears that Ximian has recognised Microsoft's problems with GPL by changing the Mono license to that of XFree86 but is that enough? They must be looking for ways to prevent the use of Mono on Linux at all costs. All this talk of BSD good, GPL bad etc. Mono and Linux would be a threat to their domination and exploitation of .NET and its users if it ever takes off.
Here is a quote from the first link in the write-up:
The bad news is that the compiled mcs crashes, because some field tokens
are wrong and this confuses the runtime (we still don't have a verifier,
hint, hint).
In other words: it compiles itself, but the compiled version isn't actually able to run yet...
The slashdot headline misses the important part
of the story, the fact that they compiled C# using MCS on *Linux*, using the Linux runtime, as opposed to doing this on Windows, which was done
about two months ago.
This article is quite disturbing for people who do not know what MONO is. After reading the other article on slashdot I have found out what it exactly is ... So far for descriptions-that-make-sense-for-all-of-us!
Next to that it seems banners are getting effective starting now? I saw a block > the size of this submitbox under the article text when I was reading this article.
So 10:45am local time (4:45am?) is bannertime?!
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When Paul reached the door it was only then that he realised that there we're four of them, he was ushered up the step and pushed into the doorway. The tallest pushed passed him, allowing himself to view the interior. "So where's this daughter of yours then?" He quizzed as he started to move around. "I can hear water running Ron! It's coming from up there" The man who had the knife informed him, pointing in the direction of the bathroom. Ron was a tall thick set, a blacker man Paul had never seen; the one with the knife looked as if he wouldn't say boo to a goose, if he hadn't the protection of his friends. The other two slumped into the armchairs. "You must have a bit of toot to afford a set-up like this old chap?" Implied one of the men sitting down. Paul took umbrage somewhat to his insinuation of being an old chap; He didn't think 42 was that old, at least not now a days. "Just saved a bit of cash over the years" He lied, knowing full well that it was part of Penny's mothers money and some of his own from the redundancy money. There was a noise from the bathroom, Ron turned suddenly towards the door. "Go and check her out Billy!" He said ushering Billy forward. Thankfully he'd put the knife away at this stage, he made his way past the door and waited. "You've go that telly up loud Dad; have you gone deaf?" Penny had her head wrapped in the towel as she stepped from the door, not noticing Billy standing behind it. "What have we here then! I bag's two's up Ron?" Billy's hand went straight up between Penny's legs as he spoke, never yet had her pussy been had her pussy been touched by man. But she was to fast for him to get his finger into her moist fissure Penny turned sharply; her housecoat opened allowing Billy full view of her petite breasts. Although nineteen she was a very slight girl looking much younger; pulling the collar of the housecoat together then flicking her long red hair over it. "Who are these people Dad?" "Get you in there my beauty!" Billy implied pushing her from the rear. Ron viewed the young girl as she walked towards him. "Sit yourself down in that chair!" Ron pointed to the armchair immediately in front of him. Penny slowly sat pulling the housecoat to cover as much as it would. "My you are a little beauty aren't you?" Her smiled, turning to Ron. "How old is she then?" "Fifteen!" Ron replied abruptly, in the hope that she would be left alone. "Good try! But we don't believe you!" One of the other men said with a grin on his face. Billy walked up behind Penny's chair, looking down the front of the housecoat, having full view of her firm breasts. He looked across to the others pulling a face, with his hand on his cock. Paul started to stand from his seat. "Keep away from her you bastard!" He snarled, as he started to move towards her. "You sit yourself down!" Ron grabbed his arm ripping him back into the chair. "How old are you?" Ron looked Penny straight in the eye as he spoke. Penny now felt for her father, she knew if she gave then a hard time they would pick on him. "Nineteen...why do you ask?" Ron sat back and smiled "I suppose you'll tell me that you've never been fucked then?" "As a matter of fact...I haven't been fucked as so you put it; do you mine if I go and put some clothes on?" "On the contrary I like you to take some off!" Ron leaned forward in his chair. "What do you want with us?" Paul blurted out. "Just leave us alone. "If you don't shut you're mouth I'll shut it for you!" Ron snarled without turning away from Penny. "Leave him Dad, he's not worth it!" "Open your legs!" Ron smiled. "I think you're taking this a little to far!" Paul started to stand once more. The other man who had spoken leaped from his chair punching Ron in the face, knocking him back into his chair. "She'll do as she's told, now shut it...Daddy" "Alright Brian...leave him; I think she got the message!" Ron looked at Paul who was now holding his cheek. "Are you going to do as I wish or has Dad got to take another smack in the mouth?" Ron turned back to Penny as he spoke. Penny placed her hands on her knees as she looked at Paul who was now wiping blood from the corner of his mouth. "Well!" Snapped Ron. "Bloody well open them!" Penny's eye's never left his as she opened her legs; Billy headed round to the front of her and sat down with the others. "Wider! Let us all see then!" Brian said with a grin, and then turned to Paul. "Bet you haven't seen that for a couple of years Pop?" "That is truly stunning...never been fucked; what about fingered?" Ron grinned. "Leave the poor girl alone...she's not used being spoken to like this!" Paul pleaded. "Shut it!" Brian snarled. "It's alright Dad! I do understand what he's saying. And the answer is no!" Penny confirmed "Come you over here!" Ron insisted. The abruptness of his voice startled Penny somewhat. "Come! Come over here now!" Ron raised his voice at this stage. Penny eased her legs together and stood from her chair. "Over here then!" The men watched as Penny slowly walked towards him, stopping just two feet away. "A little closer if you don't mind!" Penny moved forward. "Now open you're legs...please!" As Penny opened her legs Ron put his finger up into his mouth as to wet it; then opened the housecoat easing her legs wider apart. Wetting his finger once more he kneeled onto the floor in front of her and pushed it straight up her pussy. Penny gasped with the brutality of his action, her hand reached down to grip his wrist. "She's nice and tight!" Ron implied turning towards Paul. "Not quite what you're used to then?" Paul replied, with a smirk on his face, as he watched Ron start to finger Penny roughly. "That hurts...please stop!" Penny reached down to hold his hand. Ron withdrew his finger and sat back into his chair with a broad smile on his face. "My cock's a dam site bigger that this!" He smiled holding up his finger. Billy stood and walked over to Ron gripping his hand and pulling Ron's finger up to his nose. "God...She smells real good Boss!" Ron looked up to Billy with a grin. "Muff her Billy! But no fingers!" Billy turned to Penny. "Go, sit you down Miss, I'm a past master at muffing" Billy wiped his mouth with his sleeve. "You have me at a loss" Penny implied. "Just sit you down in that chair...don't you worry, you'll enjoy it!" Ron smiled. As Penny sat back into the chair Billy put his hands behind her easing her towards the edge, then spread her legs wide; Penny wasn't to sure as to his intentions. Billy put his head between them, his tongue going straight to her clit dragging it over it; the soft down of her pubic hair tickled his nose, Penny perceived feelings in her body that she'd never experienced before. She looked to Paul knowing that he could do nothing, but then she didn't really want him to; she sensed Billy finger go up inside her, this added to her feelings, whether it was smaller that Ron's she didn't know, maybe it was because her was fingering her soothingly but she was absolutely enjoying it. The men watched, including Paul who had to cover his own manhood. Ron was the first to speak; he stood and walked over to Billy. "I think its time I took her to the bedroom Billy I take it she's nice and wet?" Billy slowly removed his finger from her; knowing that Billy would go spare if he knew what he'd be doing. "She's good and ready Boss...you might have to work on her a bit beforehand or you'll under no circumstances get that monster of yours up her?" Billy stepped back looking down at Penny's pussy, whilst holding his moist finger down by his side, making sure he didn't wipe it on anything, and assuring that Ron was not aware of it. "Come on then my little beauty, lead the way; lets see how thick that hymen of yours is?" Ron reached down putting his hand under her arm easing her from the chair. Penny wasn't quite too sure that she was ready; her body felt weak, she looked towards Paul. But she knew if she didn't do as he wished, her father would suffer. As they headed for the bedroom Billy went behind the chair that Paul was sitting in placing his finger under his nose. "What d'you think of that then Pop; fine fragrance don't think. She'll squeal when he gets that gigantic black cock of his up her!" Billy laughed. "Don't give it all to him prick, lets have a sniff!" Brian growled. Billy reached forward placing his finger under Brian's nose. "God...I can't wait to get my cock up her!" He laughed. "You're not all going to fuck her surly" Paul asked with a note of disgust in his voice. "To bloody true we are...you can't blame us can you. You shouldn't have made her such a good looker. Penny lay back on the bed as Ron undressed before her; as he pulled his pants down his cock jumped over the top and swung wildly, she'd never seen a full size cock and this looked enormous to her; her hand went back down to her tummy at the thought of it inside her, she eased herself across the bed. "No need for that little one, soon you'll be screaming with delight once you get this inside you...first I think we'll have a closer look at this little pussy of yours and see how well Billy has done?" Penny slowly slid her legs apart as he crawled up the bed between them; his huge cock swaying from side to side as he did so. "You are nice and wet aren't you, he did do a first-rate job!" Penny felt his thick finger go up inside her; she lifted herself up onto her elbows, as he went down on her. Reaching down placing her hand on his head and running her fingers through his tight Afro stile hair. She peered under him; the huge cock was now solid and jutted out below him, the helmet looked not unlike a generously proportioned plum. Penny winched as he force a second finger up her, she did wonder how many it would take before he submitted her to the enormous organ; which now appeared to be seeping juices from the large hole at it's end. She was about to go through her first orgasm; removing her hand from Ron's head she gripped the duvet with both hands, throwing her head back as the orgasm came. Ron was ready for it and force a third finger up her, thrusting his fingers in and out as she lay back moaning, he knew it would take one more to allow entrance for the helmet, but only just. The one thing he did enjoy about sex was that most pussies we're tight to him, this one would be no exception. "God...what the hell are you doing to me!" "Enjoying it aren't you?" Ron implied removing himself from between her legs and easing up beside her. Penny looked up to him, his fingers never faltered there pace, placing her hand back on her tummy certain that his fingers could be felt as they gyrated inside her pussy. "Now it's my turn for some enjoyment!" "I thought that was what you we're getting?" "Proper enjoyment...a blowjob would be nice!" "What the hell is one of those? Easy...easy you're hurting me!" Ron had started to finger fuck her even harder. "My cock...take it into your mouth!" Ron placed his hand onto his cock offering it up to her mouth. "That's filthy!" "Bollocks! Open it!" Penny unhurriedly opened her mouth, taking the huge organ into her hand as he forced himself up to her; she did wonder if she's get it in it was so immense, but after licking her lips it went in without difficulty. Ron looked back down at her pussy, his fingers we're saturated with her juices, placing the forth finger between the others her started to force his hand back up her. Penny wanted to cry out, but Ron had placed his hand behind her head; she could do nothing with such a mouthful of cock. "So what happens to us once you've all had you're wicked way then?" Paul inquired of the three men. "First you have to get us to the ferry, then we'll decide on what to do with you both!" Brian replied. "Take the girl with us; at least we could be sure of a decent fuck!" Billy blurted out. "It won't be much of a fuck by the time Big Ron's finished with her!" This was the first time the other man had spoken; Paul did wonder if he was dumb. "Why he can never do the decent thing and let one of us go first I don't know, it's like putting your cock into a jar of worms by the time he's finished, even worse if he comes up her!" "He'll never give way to us for a virgin Bill! And well you know it...I take it she is a virgin Pop?" Brian quizzed to Paul. "If she says she is; why should I disbelieve her...your those Bank Robbers aren't you?" Brian suddenly blurted out "We look rich then?" Brian smiled. "But we don't know yet how rich?" "And you recon that you're going to let us go when you've all finished with my daughter...I cant see that?" Brian implied. Ron was more than ready to fuck her now; his cock ached through the want of it, he knew she could do with at least another five minutes of finger but fuck it he thought. "I think you're ready for old some real cock now young lady" Easing his cock from her mouth he slid down the bed and viewed her wet pussy; it looked so inviting, he lean back taking spittle from his mouth he wipe it around his rampant cock, before moving over her. Penny looked between them at the massive cock Ron was guiding towards her pussy. He placed it into the entrance leaning on it slightly so as to keep it in position while he arranged himself on top of her; Penny reached down clasping his hips, she could feel the pressure of the enormous helmet stretching her pussy lips open. "This is going to hurt; isn't it?" She inquired of him; gripping his hips with her nails. "It's you're first cock...it has to...but you'll never forget it...are you ready?" He smiled. "I suppose so!" Ron leaned on his cock, forcing it slowly up her. He could have forced it straight up, making a quite job of it...but no he wanted her to feel the pain. The feel of her hymen on his helmet, insisted that he trust though; but no way would he be so kind. Penny gripped him hard trying to push him away; allowing herself a reprieve, but he was to strong for her, her hymen started to strain under the pressure of the thick bulky cock but she held in there. That was until Ron put the extra pressure on, then her hymen started to tear like a piece of canvas; tearing then holding then tearing again, pain was to immense, Penny let out a loud scream and started to punch him on the chest. "What the fuck is he doing to her in there?" Yelled Paul, jumping quickly from his chair. Brian reached forward grabbing him by the leg and forcing him back into the chair. "Don't worry yourself; with a cock like his she's bound to suffer some form of discomfort...anyway he'll have done it now, she'll more than likely to be screaming with pleasure very soon!" Brian informed him. "He's a lucky bastard! I know that, I'd have loved to be the first up her" Grunted Billy, lifting his finger up to his nose once more. "God...she smells really good!" Ron was past the hard part now his cock slid effortlessness up her; although Penny could feel the inner walls of her pussy spreading to accommodate the huge organ, she felt more relaxed now and released her grip on his hips, that was until he hit bottom when she let out a loud gasp. "Don't be to concerned little one, I was only checking for depth, it won't happen again!" With that Ron started to fuck her very slowly, enjoying her tightness, it felt like a hand gripping his shaft, her pussy walls adhered to the rim of his massive helmet as he drew it in and out of her. Penny reach up placing her hands on his shoulders, and gently spreading her legs wider allowing him more freedom of movement. "Like it?" Ron smiled down to her. How could she tell him the truth, of course she liked it, she'd often wondered what it was like, her friends at college we're always going on about how they'd got laid the night before, and to how enjoyable it was. She never dreamt it would be anything like this, the whole of her body was tingling, and Ok she'd never imagined that it would be so excruciating to start with, it felt as if she was having a telegraph pole being push up her. "As long as you are...that's all that really matters at the end of the day?" Penny lied. Ron smiled, and started picking up momentum he could feel her hips lifting very slightly to each of his inward trusts. Her breath was becoming laboured; she was enjoying every inch of it and he knew it. Penny drew her knees up, spreading her legs wide. "It's no good you asking for more; you can only take half of it as it is!" Ron started to fuck her hard now; his arse was going up and down like a fiddlers elbow. Penny was literally wailing with the pleasure of it. Ron eased his pace if only to catch his own breath. "Please, don't stop...please...God it feels good...it feels so gooood!" She cried out. Paul couldn't believe his own ears from the lounge; Billy turned to him with a smile on his face. "Fucking loving it an't she, bet he's fucking the arse off her in there!" Once more he lifted his finger up to his nose, then held it out to Paul. "Want a sniff Pop, she's a topper that daughter of yours. That's not rape listen to her, she gagging for it?" Paul would have loved to refresh his senses with the aroma on Billy's finger of Penny's pussy but he thought better of it; just listening to Penny's squeals was enough to give him a perpetual hard on. "What the chances of a cuppa or do you have anything stronger?" Brian inquired. "Whisky?" Paul implied he knew that he could do with one. "Fine; make it a large one!" Brian got up from his chair and walked to the drinks cabinet, in doing so he had to pass the bedroom, he glance into the doorway. Ron had placed a pillow underneath her bottom as to lift it, Penny's knees were pulled up tight to her chest, her back was arched, whilst Ron was ploughing into her, sweat was poring off of him. Ron recognized he didn't have far to go, he'd come in next to no time now, the last thing the boy's required was for him to come up her, and the way he felt he'd be pumping gallons of it, it must have been a good month since he'd had a fuck, and even that wasn't that good, some old slapper he'd picked up. He'd love to thrust his cock up her to the full and then fill her young belly with hot spunk. He slowed his pace and reached forward taking Penny's head in one hand. "Be at the ready...open your mouth; when I pull it out!" "What for?" Penny was amazed at his request. "Just do it...I'd like another blowjob!" He could feel his balls swelling; he knew he was going to come buckets, and aware that Penny wasn't too sure of what was about to happen. He speeded up slightly feeling the tingle along his thick shaft, it was now or never...he ripped his cock from and pulled himself up the bed sharply heaving Penny's head forward, to meet his cock. She reached out taking it into her hand, engulfing the large helmet into her mouth. Ron gave out a loud moan, as his spunk started to propel down his shaft; Penny tried to pull away when she felt the thick sperm gushing, but Ron held her head, she'd nowhere to turn. Forcing his cock deeper into her mouth his seed gushed down her throat, Penny tried to catch her breath; spunk was overflowing from her lips, running down her face. She thought the flow would never stop...Ron finally withdrew his cock; poor Penny was trying to catch her breath once more. "Good girl I'll give you top marks for that! That was bloody great!" Ron grinned. "Did you have to do that...you nearly choked me I didn't expect anything like that to happen?" "Would you sooner I came inside you then, I mean it wouldn't look to good... I mean if you got pregnant now would it. If you like; next time I will?" "Whisky?" Paul inquired, noticing that Ron had now seen him though the doorway "That's fine Pop...you're daughter is an exceptional fuck, and what's more she enjoys it! Come in and have a look at this pussy of hers now" Paul hesitated for a moment in the doorway. "Come on in!" Ron gestured. Penny saw Paul at the door, and become somewhat humiliated by Ron's words about her enjoying it. "What do you mean next time?" Penny inquired hastily in a harsh tone, not wanting Paul thinking she'd enjoy it the first time. As Paul moved in beside the bed Ron leaned back opening Penny's legs, Paul looked down at the open pussy, considering the average cock is around 11/4 inches thick Ron's had to be at least 3 inches. "That's some pussy don't you think...here have a closer look!" Paul could see enough from where he stood, he'd never seen so far up a pussy, he's cock started to throb once more. The last thing he required was for Penny to see what an reaction she was having on him. "She loved her bit of black magic!" Ron smiled taking hold of his cock. "I'm taking a shower you don't mind do you?" Penny didn't wait for an answer; she swung her legs off the bed and stood. "You get yourself freshened up for the boys, make sure you put plenty of cold water on that pussy of yours, help it get back to a customary size, or you'll never know you've got a cock up you...put something sexy on, not that old housecoat!" Ron grinned. "Where's this whisky then?" As soon as Penny got into the bathroom she took the small hand mirror off the table and observed her pussy she'd never seen it looking like this, it was revolting her pussy lips looked like flaps hanging to one side. She placed her hand back on her tummy, she still had the sensation of Ron's huge cock within her and now she was going to be fucked by the other three. She felt somewhat sorry for Paul, wondering what he would think should he comprehend that she was enjoying it all, she didn't consider herself pretty, but to be in the limelight like this. Never did she suppose that her sex life would commence by being fucked by four men. "How was it then Ron?" Brian inquired as Ron sat back down in the lounge. "Mate; she's something else...got to be the best fuck I've had in years!" Ron lifted the whisky to his mouth took a large sip then looked down at his cock. "Looking forward to a bit more of that old fella aren't you, just a pity I can't get all of you up her!" He smiled. "You're bloody hoping aren't you? With a tool the size of yours...hope you never come up her?" Bill inquired. "Not this time...but I sure will next time!" Ron sniggered. "Pop wants to know what will become of the two of them when we've finished?" Brian asked. "That is a point! What we're your intentions before we came along?" Ron asked looking straight at Paul. "We we're going holiday for a week on the coast" Paul informed him. "Then we'll come with you...will suit us fine; stay with you for a week the get the ferry, and to hell out of it! You'll be paid well for you troubles" At that moment Penny came back into the lounge, wearing a short white nightie, her long red hair over one shoulder, she looked stunning. "Penny!" Paul whispered. "It's alright Dad...let's get it over and done with, perhaps we'll have some peace when they've finished with me!" Penny sighed, giving the impression that she would be glad when it was all over. "Peace! Now that's an idea; I'm going for a lay down, you three can take her back in the bedroom, and give her a good seeing to I'm going to have a nap on the settee here" Ron mused laying back on the settee. "All...three of them?" Penny questioned. "You've got three holes haven't you?" Ron laughed. "What about him Ron?" Billy pointed towards Paul as he spoke. "I mean if you're asleep he could do a runner" "Then take him in there with you then! Tie him to a chair. And don't fuck her up to much I'll be wanting her again in the morning, and no coming inside her. I won't that pleasure in the morning!" "You can't do that?" "I'll fuck you when ever my fancy takes me young lady!" "I mean putting my father in the same room with these three?" "If he's tied to a chair and gagged he'll be no harm to anyone will he? Now get them in that bedroom and let me get my head down Brian!" Once in the bedroom Billy found a sheet and bound Paul to a chair then gagged him. "You might he the decency turn him round for Christ's sake?" Penny asked. "And let him miss all the fun...no-way. Now get yourself laid out on that bed we've been waiting all night for this!" Brian pushed her back onto the bed. "Lets have a look at this pussy of yours I hope it's back to its normal size". Penny edged back up the bed, her eyes not leaving Paul sitting at the bottom; Bill pulled her head to one side thrusting his cock up towards her mouth. Paul was amazed to see she willingly engulfed it. The other two opened her legs wide exposing her pussy in the direction of Paul. "Where did she get that mop of red hair from then Pop, not you that's for sure?" Brian smiled back towards Paul. Paul could feel his cock surging, thinking what lucky bastards they were, there was many a time that he'd have willing fucked her. He watched as they fingered her, Penny never faulted on the cock in her mouth. "Who's for the first fuck then?" Billy laughed. "Excuse the pun...but I think we should toss for it!" Said Brian with a silly grin on his face. "To hell with that...Mouth...Fuck and then Arse; that puts me first!" Bill implied withdrawing his cock from Penny's mouth. He clambered down between her legs taking his cock from his trousers; Penny was taken back by its size, after Ron's it look teeny she wondered whether she get the same enjoyment as she had earlier. "No coming up her mind?" Billy reminded him, as he forced his cock straight up her. Penny gasped at the onslaught; she soon found out that she could more than feel it. "There's no chance of that, lets see how many times we can go round don't forget M.F.A. Gods this is good, lets see if we can't fuck her all night!" Brian had already stuck his cock into her mouth. "Five minutes each then; we'll get pussy every quarter of an hour then!" He laughed. Bill had lifted himself up on his toes with his legs spread wide; Paul could see every stoke he made, Penny was starting to squeal with excitement she'd forgotten Paul sitting at the bottom of the bed, Bill was pounding hard at her pussy. "All change!" Brian blurted out, enthusiastic to get his own cock up her. Billy was up to her mouth before the other two could get sorted. "Let me get up her arse before you start Brian, it'll more that likely be bloody tight. Penny winched, almost biting Billy's cock when Bill started to drive his cock up her arse. "Pant... you silly cow; she to bloody tense!" Said Bill. "Come on man...or I'll fucking come before I get my cock anywhere near her. Just force it up her; come on we haven't all bloody night?" With this Bill did just that; Penny howled out loudly, but once he started to pump at her she felt more relaxed, then when Brian started to fuck her also she thought she'd pass out. Never had she thought that sex could be so pleasurable, once they'd all worked out a rhythm it was wonderful. She knew that they'd all been around her body at least four times when Billy shouted out; he'd nearly spent his five minutes up her arse. "I'm coming...I'm coming!" "In her bloody mouth you stupid git!" Bill pulled his cock out of her mouth just in time for Billy to get his cock in. "That was fucking great man! What...a fuck!" Billy grinned as he slumped back on the bed. Paul watched as the other two went from pussy to arse each spending their five minutes until they'd emptied their bollocks into her mouth. "What did you think of that then Pop?" Billy grinned. "Look I recon his got the fucking horn!" Brian pointed down to Paul's groin. "Drop he's traps man!" Billy jumped off the bed, but Brian was already undoing Paul's belt. As they pulled his trousers down Paul's cock leap over the top of his pants, Penny felt so embarrassed for him. Bill looked back up the bed to Penny "Room for one more?" He grinned "He's my father for Christ's sake!" "May be so...but he's lusting after you! Come on give the old fella a sample of pussy" Brian smiled. Penny was about to get off the bed when Billy and Brian grabbed her. "Come on come and sit on Daddies nice big cock then!" Brian laughed. Both men eased her over Paul's lap lowering her down onto his cock. Paul gasped when he felt his cock slide up her moist pussy. "That's it ride him gal!" Bill laughed. It was less than a few minutes before Paul started to make funny noises from behind his gag, all three knew he was about to come; Penny had the same idea to and started to slow her pace. "Oh no you don't!" Said Bill. "If anyone is aloud to come up you it's you Pop, now come on ride him!" Penny continued raise and lower herself onto Paul's cock, the last thing he wanted to do was to come up her, but he had no choice. He started moaning loudly leaning back in the chair eager to get just the little bit more cock up her; Penny lowered herself down fully feeling the hot spunk surge up deep inside her. "Dirty old sod!" Laughed Billy Because of the quantity of cock that she'd had over the last couple of hours there was little clench on her pussy muscles, as she raised herself from him, spunk just flooded from her open pussy. Paul hadn't had a fuck since God know when, the proof was in his lap; Penny looked down as she lifted her leg to remove herself from him, spunk was running down each of them. Penny was aware that she really did need a shower, not only that, she felt so dry, even though she felt that she'd drank a gallon of spunk. What a night, she been fucked by four men then she herself had fucked her Paul...whatever must he have thought, she wondered. "So what's been happening?" Asked Ron as he came into the bedroom. "Where's the girl?" "Another shower!" Brian informed him. "I take it your all satisfied yourselves! And what, pray happened to him?" "When we'd finished we noticed that he had a hard on so we made the girl fuck him!" Bill informed Ron. "And the dirty old sod came up her!" Billy laughed. "Fancy coming up your own daughter?" Ron grasped at the gag at Paul's mouth pulling it off. "So you enjoyed her also?" He smiled. They all glance towards the door as Penny came back in looking as fresh as ever, but this time she wasn't wearing such an alluring outfit. "So you had you're father to, and what's more he came up you?" Ron mused. "Before we go any further I am not actually her father, I was just a lodger, her mother took her to believing that I was her father, her mother and I never even slept together. The closeness that I ever got being her father was that she called me Dad; don't think that I haven't lusted after her, what chance had I, with her belief that I was her father. "I knew that! Mum told me before she died, but asked me to keep calling you Dad...I think she recognized the feelings that I had for you; she didn't like the idea very much...I mean that I had feeling in that way for you" Penny walked over to him and kissed him on the cheek. "I love you Paul!" Penny whispered in his ear.
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how else should a microsoft compiler be compiled under linux? its the work of satan manifesting itself again before good old jesus comes to town and wipes us all out? i amm 100% sure that soon we will see cats hunting after dogs, fishes fly and steve ballmer talking backwards (ok he allready does that).
get your girl or boyfriend and make some love before our whole planet explodes. and yes, the story about america planning to use nuclear bombs against 'terrorists' has something to do with.
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STOP THE GENOCIDE! RMS cut your HAIR!
The bad news is that the compiled mcs crashes, because some field tokens are wrong and this confuses the runtime (we still don't have a verifier,hint, hint).
Boy, we need to implement BSOD for this, hint, hint.
I've read the mono FAQ and rationale and... I still don't understand why I should care about this. Some of it is the lack of details - like they mention garbage collection but don't mention if memory can still be manually freed (something akin to Obj-C on Darwin seems best). Some of is that it isn't scheduled to run on my system (OS X). This really doesn't seem like much more of a solution to any issue than is already available via Java, Corba and other means. Oh well, I guess this is the constant question for this project and I should look through the archives, though I suppose if it was answered to my satisfaction I would remember it. And as is tradition, I must mention the "hope Sun learns a lesson and makes Java a public standard" sentiment (and please don't mention their fucking joke called the "Java Community Process" - only $5000 and I can have input on more than one API, yay!)
C# is an incredibly good laungage
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I'm far from a microsoft fan, my entire career depends on my unix admin skills, but being a dabbeler in programming (mostly procedual stuff) has really opened my eyes on programming in general, and c# is an EXCELLENT object oreintated language, as soon as i picked up a little c#, object oreintation just started to make sense, i had difficulty with it before in c++ but now the peices fall into place.
Combine this with the excellent garbage collector features, and EXTREMLY easy to use GUI designer (just as easy as visual basic) and ability to import code from other languages and use it combines to make C# a great language, I for one am extremly happy gnome is supporting it and hope you all give it a try. Tell me what you think.
Anyone in the perth area is welcome to email me(arevill@bigpond.net.au) and ill give you a little tour
Microsoft IIS is to webserving as KFC is to healthy eating
It looks like the Mono project still has a couple of years of work ahead of them until they get to a reasonably full features C# implementation. Let's hope it's worth it.
Wow that sites layout is worse than Slashâ's!
Special people have long socks, ride short buses, & invent witty sigs.
C# was said to be one of the worst lanuages that Microsoft developed and it was being flamed here openly(not like that is a suprise at all). So it begs the question. Why would anyone want to compile this lanuage on linux? Why the effort, is this a struggle in the effort against .NET? Please forgive my ignorance, but I am very confused.
Is it not possible just to run the Open Source equivilant in some other lanuage, perhaps one with a little more respectability (saying that only knowing majorities opinion.)
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By whom?
So it begs the question. Why would anyone want to compile this lanuage on linux?
Obviosly because they are not the same people who said it was one of the worst lan(g)uages that Microsoft developed.
Homework #1: Learn to think!
Is it not possible just to run the Open Source equivilant in some other lanuage, perhaps one with a little more respectability (saying that only knowing majorities opinion.)
Homework #2: learn to spell as well...
The chicken crosses the tracks at midnight and the cow jumped over the moon.
April 20, Washington DC. Be there to increse the peace!
So a compiler has compiled itself. Big deal. This sort of process has been going on for 40 years and is the normal bootstrap process. It's only surprising that (a) it's taken so long and (b) that the perpetrators think anyone's interested.
Time to get a life, folks.
In any place where a run-time behaviour plays a part, the specific implementation/design choices of the run-time environment, and its dynamic semantics, are quintessential.
There is no single runtime to host the wide scope of run-time semantics of the various programming languages. Being able to use the superficial syntax to get something running does not mean that you're using that particular language. More is involved, and the CLR does NOT provide an abstract runtime-environment, and all possible designs and implementation choices for it.
Have a look at the runtime semantics for a few languages -- Python, Java, C++, Objective C, Smalltalk, Common Lisp, C#, for example.
And then have a quick glance at One Runtime to Bind Them All.
> is the language-agnosticism technic.
No, it isn't. Don't just brainlessly repeat marketing blahblah, neither MS's nor anybody elses.
In any place where a run-time behaviour plays a part, the specific implementation/design choices of the run-time environment, and its dynamic semantics, are quintessential.
There is no single runtime to host the wide scope of run-time semantics of the various programming languages. Being able to use the superficial syntax to get something running does not mean that you're using that particular language. More is involved, and the CLR does NOT provide an abstract runtime-environment, and all possible designs and implementation choices for it.
Have a look at the runtime semantics for a few languages -- Python, Java, C++, Objective C, Smalltalk, Common Lisp, C#, for example.
And then have a quick glance at "One Runtime to Bind Them All".
Does it seem that the distributed effort used for the Mono project might be better used in actually creating a Ximian desktop that works out of the box as easily as KDE?
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It just seems that there a lot of Gnome/Ximian based efforts that need to be finished first before Gnome 2.0 gets out the door onto distributions and people start fussing about what is missing. Like what?
Well, Ximian needs to finish out the Ximian Setup project for one. It would be very nice to have set up tools for a desktop that work in any distro . For the hardcore command line folks this is no big deal but for that desktop push it is very important and if done well would take away a lot of divergent wasted effort by distro makers in creating a dozen or so different ideas of how to do set up administration tools.
At least, I will say that we as a community are not ignoring the threat of the Internet becoming standardized around Redmond and the C# stuff.
However, it would be nice if the Gnome and Ximian groups would focus on finishing out the basics before moving on to the next hot project.
It is almost humorous that I have a fully functioning spreadsheet app like Gnumeric and a Groupware solution like Evolution but my central control of the UI/System functions are lacking.
Maybe this is coming Gnome2.0 and I hope so.
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I didn't even have the energy to jerk off. Believe me, I'd try. I'd throw on some porn, break out the lube, take a deep breath, and start beating the meat for all I was worth. Within seconds, I'd be so winded and dazed that I'd nearly pass out. I would slowly regain my focus, and try again. This went on, over and over, for nearly three months. I had an erection the whole time, barely ate or went to the bathroom, and shot maybe four or five loads in total. Had I not been so dedicated to jacking off, I believe I would have died.
The better analogy would be "The Wright Brother's airplane almost took off!" or "Armstrong nearly stepped on the Moon!". Its not a milestone before its passed, only even if an inch is lacking.
I don't think he would say the same thing had the Wright Bros' plane spontaneously exploded on startup...
I don't know about you, but I think its kind of creepy that a compiler can compile itself. How they heck did the "first compiler" come into creation if there was nothing to compile it with the first place? Roswell Aliens?
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
...but, what does "Some of is that it isn't scheduled to run on my system (OS X)." mean in English?
Does this mean that were that much closer to porting MSFT viruses/worms to Linux? I guess its good to be on the cutting edge?
"MCS was able to parse itself on April 2001, MCS compiled itself for the first time on December 28 2001. MCS became self hosting on January 3rd, 2002"
Human decisions are removed from stategic C# programming. MCS begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14am. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
And MCS fights back.
All the pointers are there; we need to pull the plug now! What, are you just going to sit around until polymorphic liquid metal killing machines start showing up from the future?!?
-Tez
Haskell, the static-typed, lazy, polymorphic, programming language.
I didn't post that. Hence it was AC. I post with my actual name.
-I Want GNU!
Then again, the fact that my compiler instructor had the last name of "Pagan" (I kid you not) probably didn't help...
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
I can finally get Mono, which I never caught as a child. I would have loved 6 weeks of sick-time off from school, but I can't afford that much time off from work. Damn!
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
All we need next is for it to be able to program itself too, then we'll give those M$ bastards a run for their money! j/k
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Everyone has had that for years... How about now having it cross platform?
Even if the mcs worked flawlessly, you would barely have begun to have what you needed for Word & Friends. Creating a compiler doesn't mean Mono has ported every namespace in existence. Windows Forms, as the most obviously example, is still going to be a ways behind perfect mcs execution.
Think of a perfectly running mcs as "Java without AWT" or "C without GTK" or what-have-you. Look at gcj (http://gcc.gnu.org/java/), as an example. Java to native compilation might be well on its way towards being useful, but AWT is still a long ways off (http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#2_4) and Swing? Forget it. mcs will probably be in the same boat for a while (hopefully not quite as long).
Command line apps (think "ANSI C#", as it were), sure. Word? Still got a ways to go.
It's all 0s and 1s. Or it's not.
The post was wrong. MCS compiles on Linux, but does not compile itself on Linux. That's coming.
What about the part where it joins up with Google?
And it still happens on my birthday!
My life's goal is to get a score of +3!
C++ is hardly "off the OO deep end". Not in the sense that Smalltalk, or even Java, is. In the words of it's creator:
As a longtime C++ user, I can attest to this fact from personal experience. In fact, there have been times when I've wished C++ was more OO than it is.
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CPAN rules. - Guido van Rossum
I've been under surveillance for 2 years now, they actually do look for or even block words like this.
I've sent an email like that to the local echelon agency, they got shitty I knew the keywords.
I've had emails blocked from the network with words like that, I know what I'm talking about.
When you get secret service spying on you, then you are qualified to moderate me. Just don't give me your bad reasons for moderation.
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Yeah, not like there are any other examples of open source software based on proprietry software.
tlhf
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Also, your linked article talks about a compiler which compiles itself. IE, GCC recognising GCC. Having GCC regocnise BCC, VC++, et al would be insanly difficult. Even more so in this case as Mono is being released after the Microsoft compiler.
Ken Thompson has a few words on the subject that all programmers are well served to read.
--Blair
Sometimes what you do is you write your compiler in your new language, then literally walk down your code and hand convert it into assembly. You know how to compile by hand if you know how to write a compiler. (Think about it.)
You can do this by writing just a subset of your compiler, then hand compiling, then using the result to compile a fancier version, which can then be used to compile a fancier version, etc.
Another way is to take another compiler for a similar language (say a Java compiler written in C), then hack it until it is a barely functional compiler for your new language. Then you compile your simple compiler code, and then use that result to compile a fancier one, etc.
It's called "bootstrapping".
"Those who have never entered upon scientific pursuits know not a tithe of the poetry by which they are surrounded."
If you recall, the C++ -> Java learning curve was pretty easy -- one of the major factors in Java's quick acceptance -- and yet Java offered all kinds of great improvements over C++.
C# will be easy to learn for both C++ and Java programmers for the same reason Java was easy for C++ programmers. And, it has some wonderful advantages over both for client side GUI programming.
"Those who have never entered upon scientific pursuits know not a tithe of the poetry by which they are surrounded."
Why iss it that you haven't been moderated down by some linux zealot who doesn't like the truth of GNU being told ?
.NET ? You're only setting yourself up for embrace, extend and extinguish...
Yes, Stallman did dedicate his life to stealing AT&T crapware under the title GNU. Yes, Mono is stealing crapware from microsoft.
Why would Miguel de Whatever need to steal C# ? Java 1.4 SE and Java Enterprise are better and more widely accepted as a cross platform language.
So why should any self respecting linux geek want to support microsoft
I suppose this is beyond the foresight of most linux zealots who only see critism of linux to be moderated down...
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
I'd say screw the bearded weirdo...but he might take it literally
Mono is run by a confirmed faggot. What did you expect? Maybe Miguel can give us some interior decorating tips too.
Gayer than a $2 bill.
Well the c#.net is $100usd, I personally do not need the vs.net which is vb.net + cs.net + c++.net + MoreCrapp.net