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Great gadgets at CeBIT

janeko writes: "CeBIT is propably the largest techno/gadget exhibition in Europe. Every year there is great news of new gadgets and this year is no different. A company from Israel called VKB has created a vitual keyboard that can be displayed, using a laser, on almost any surface. Connect it to your PDA and use your kitchen table as a keyboard. Talking of surfaces, Olympia has created sound device called Soundbug that uses any hard surface as a speaker. Again, attach this to your PDA and kitchen table and enjoy your mp3's. News.com has more." Soundbug was also mentioned in this earlier story; what other gadgets from CeBIT are worth talking about this year?

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  1. Kitchen table ostility by Gruturo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looks like this guys really has something againt his kitchen table... luckily there were no chainsaws on show!

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  2. Ergonomics? by Mr+Windows · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's hard enough to find a decent keyboard with physical keys. I imagine that typing on your kitchen table (or wherever) is going to get painful pretty quickly. Perhaps the flexibility of the keyboard and the ability to get rid of physical effort might have a positive effect, but I'd be reluctant to use a "virtual keyboard" for a lengthy period without having the ergonomics properly checked out

    1. Re:Ergonomics? by ricardo2c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, you may end up with a much better keyboard! If you use a cushioned surface, I don't think you'd get painful fingers. Just don't punch the table! _touch_ it... Besides, with a laser printed keyboard, I could change the key designs the way I want. "Hey, I'm in the mood for a ergo-keyboard now! Separate and twist'em keys!" Or even an expanded keyboard, with as many extra keys as you wish. Sliders. BIG buttons. Piano-keys. Whatever!

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  3. Tiny Linux PDA with Thumb input by Cy+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Yhaoo is running a story on the Filewalker PDA from Invair.

    It sounds like neat gadget, using IR to connect with your mobile phone for email/msg access, but the price makes no sense unless it actually comes with the phone itself.

    Here are the specs from the Invair website:

    * Metal Housing
    * Tiny credit card form factor
    * CPU: 133MHz Intel StrongARM system-on-chip processor
    * Memory: 32MB SDRAM; 16MB Flash ROM
    * LCD display: 160 x 240 pixel resolution, 16 grayscale, EL backlight
    * Dimensions: 1.6 x 2.5 in. (42 x 63 mm)
    * I/O expansion: IrDA, USB
    * Card slot for MMC and SD Card
    * Dimensions: 3.4 x 2.2 x .74 in. (85.9 x 54.4 x 18.8); Weight: 3.2 oz (92 gm)
    * Batteries: 2 AAA or 2 AAA Accu
    * Multilingual Embedded Linux operating system (German, English, French, Italian, Spain)
    * Multilingual Application Software:
    Email, Notes, Contacts, Todo, Calendar, Clock, Alarm, Games, Linux-console
    * PC-synchronization with MS Outlook, plus backup/restore
    * Email Support: SMTP und POP3
    * Fileviewer: TXT, HTML, PDF, JPEG, GIF
    * It will be sale for the price of 649 Euros with a 32 Mb MM-Card included in April 2002
    * FILEWALKER was developed and is manufactured in Germany
    * The desired language is chosen during initial configuration and can be changed anytime with a hard system reset.
  4. earlier on Slash? by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Informative
    we did have rthese stories:


    Virtual Keyboard by CmdrTaco with 248 comments on 05:27 PM -- Wednesday November 14 2001
    Using Tables as Speakers by Hemos with 312 comments on 10:41 AM -- Thursday March 14 2002

    at least products are making it to the trade shows.

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  5. Wraparound fabric keyboard for PDAs by dipfan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The laser keyboard mentioned may be vaporware, but in the meantime Logitech had on show at CeBit a very cool little wraparound fabric keyboard that doubles (when not in use) as a case for a Palm PDA. It's water-resistant, has hot keys, and folds out to be about the size of a notebook QWERTY keyboard. I think it's retailing in the UK at about £100 ($140), which seems steep, but I'll find it very useful for use in libraries as it's totally quiet. On sale in the UK next month.

    The company's press release is here (has pix):
    http://www.logitech.com/cf/newsarticle.cfm/ 4406

    1. Re:Wraparound fabric keyboard for PDAs by bje2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i agree with the vaporware assessment...has anyone checked out the VKB Web Site??? it seems a little lite on information or any actual content...in fact, the only thing there seems to be of any detail is bios of the management and the board of directors...i almost expected it to be one of those fake SEC investment sites...

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    2. Re:Wraparound fabric keyboard for PDAs by HeUnique · · Score: 2

      1. It's not a vaporware - it's very real

      2. You cannot buy it (at least not now) - it's for selling to OEM's.

      3. You can also connect it to your cellular phone (depends if your OEM supports it)

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  6. Nokia 7650 Phone by nookieman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you are a real mobile phone freak like me, you ought to be interested in the new Nokia 7650 mobile phone. It has a color display, digital camera (640x480), bluetooth, does MMS, has MIDP JAVA support and uses the Symbian OS.

    Look at the live CeBIT web-thing demonstration the MMS feature here (it has girlie pictures :-)).

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  7. 2000 by KDENCE · · Score: 2, Funny

    See this is what I am talking about! I had way too many expectations for the year 2k and for the first time it seems that we are getting some of that Jetsons stuff that I thought we would have by now. This keyboard seems to be a glimpse of the future that I thought was fast acoming in the 80's. I am very impressed with this and just can't wait until the flying car comes into my local car dealer, plus the robot maid that does all my work around the house for me.

  8. CeBit is the largest trade show WORLDWIDE by Moritz+Moeller+-+Her · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes. It is not only the biggest in Europe, but the biggest in the world, even including the North American Continent.

    Some facts:
    2.041.550 m show area
    ~ 8.100 exhibitors (3.000 intternational ones)
    800.000 visitors

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    1. Re:CeBit is the largest trade show WORLDWIDE by Gerein · · Score: 3, Interesting
      True. I'll be there tomorrow. I hope it's not as full as last year...

      Additional it may be interesting to the American readers, that there will be a "CeBIT america" next year in New York, which will be positioned against Comdex. (Heise reports here. In German, couldn't find the English announcement... I'm sure it's somewhere on www.cebit.de...).

      Ambitious undertaking, will be interesting to see how they'll do. On the other hand there are already several CeBITs worldwide which AFAIK are doing quite well...

  9. Wireless Monitors by Bakajin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The VKB looked very cool. Too bad the website was next to useless.


    I am excited about the new wireless monitors. I was seriously concidering the PaceBlade, a laptop with a wireless monitor! But felt it almost what I wanted, just not quite. For instance, no mention of whether or not I can use the monitor with a standard computer or if it takes analog signals for watching TV. I'll wait for that perfect combination.... hopefully not too long! I'm salivating.

  10. Did you see... by SkyLeach · · Score: 2, Redundant

    The picture of the guy typing while driving?

    Virtual or not that scares the crap outa me.

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  11. Re:Why don't you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is not the official CEBIT website. Moderators, fulfill your duty. The real thing is http://www.cebit.de/.

  12. how does it work? by gargle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ok, so how does this virtual keyboard work? How does it know what keys you're pressing?

    1. Re:how does it work? by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      When your finger interrupts the beam, there will be a reflection from your finger. It is not that it will go in a particular direction, but it will go in every direction, including back to the sensor. The frequency of the light used is very well known, so there is little chance of interference from daylight etc. It knows which key you hit because it knows what it was painting when it detected the reflection. There will be some kind of complex processing for it to figure out what the baseline should be for the position of the typing surface, but all that can be dealt with using modern tech.

      It's really just a glorified light gun or light pen.

      The lack of tactile feedback would suck for touch-typists.

  13. kinda phunny.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the laser-keyboard website...

    the main graphic eventually flashes to a dude trying to type on his dashboard...

    while he's driving right down the CENTER double yellow lines.

    Who are the ad wizards who came up with that marketing idea, and how long do we have to wait to get rear ended by some dude using his dash as a keyboard???

  14. Difference between invention and innovation by yerricde · · Score: 2

    I have heard of these things [over fifteen] years ago ... Why do you always try to sell the same old stuff as "news"?

    Because only now have the prices come down (Moore's Law and all) to make the technology viable in the market.

    In VA453 (The Entrepreneur) at Rose-Hulman, I learned that creation of a new machine or process is invention; turning it into a product and introducing it to the market is innovation. (Note how the dictionaries define "innovation" in terms of "introduction.")

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  15. Re:VKB.. by Tom7 · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but that was only because it would hardly register your fingers unless you pressed hard. I think it could work if it accepted light touches..

  16. All the laser displays Iv'e seen.. by RandomInAction · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..flicker at a frequency seemingly tuned to create horrible headaches. If this thing is real you couldn't use it for more than a few minutes, before having an epileptic fit. Increasing the refresh is not a simple thing, needing more than one laser/mirror combo. It's the mirror that draws the image, the laser remains still in most designs. Unless MEMS tech has vastly improved since last night, this seems to be an investor black hole.

    1. Re:All the laser displays Iv'e seen.. by Ozan · · Score: 2

      Hmm are you sure that it is a laser projection? The image is static, laser projection is useful for changing images only. It seems to me that it simply projects a mask. Unless it is possible to have multiple keyboard layouts of course.

  17. Keyboards on the car dash? by ssclift · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it just me or is the guy using the keyboard on the car dashboard driving in the middle of the road, right over double yellow lines?

    The message there is pretty clear... :-)

  18. Zaurus shipping date by erl · · Score: 2, Informative

    From memory, they said around May-June.
    First in Germany and the UK.
    It really looks like a gread PDA. Nice screen and GUI.

  19. keyboard on any surface? by White+Shadow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a hard enough time finding keyboards that I like and trying to type on a table top sounds like a bad idea. I'm pretty picky about key travel (the distance that a key moves when pressed). I really like the small key travel of laptops and I searched around for weeks before finding a desktop keyboard that had an acceptable key travel. Even if you're not anal about key travel like I am, it's nice to have some sense that your keys are in the right place by having something move. I imagine it would be pretty easy to get lost trying to type on a table with no feedback from the table.

  20. Exercise while typing? by bob_jordan · · Score: 2

    I wonder if you can shine it onto the floor and jump from key to key so you can get some exercize while emailing?

    Bob.

  21. Logitech doesn't want customers by wytcld · · Score: 2
    When I followed the Logitech link:

    "Cookies Required

    "As part of offering and providing personalized information, Logitech uses cookies to store your Country and Language preferences. A cookie is a small amount of data that is sent to your browser from a web server and stored on your computer's hard drive. This allows us to provide you with Logitech product and company information relevant to your preferences. In order to use the features of the Logitech site, you must configure your browser to accept cookies and have javascript enabled."

    Right, Logitech is willing to bet that I read English - witness the message - but won't say more to me in English unless I let them use my machine to help track me. Too bad. Next time I need a mouse I'll have to find a new brand.
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    1. Re:Logitech doesn't want customers by laserjet · · Score: 2

      I noticed the same thing... sigh... now your choice is Microsoft or Kensington... There are few other quality mouse/trackball makers out there other than Microsoft of Logitech.

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  22. Here's a potential trojan attack... by C+A+S+S+I+E+L · · Score: 4, Funny
    Couldn't someone record an MP3 which, when played back on your kitchen table acting as loudspeaker, has the effect of typing on the laser keyboard projected on the table, hacking into your system?

    Developers really do need to consider the security implications of their products, especially when making our kitchen furniture smart.

  23. Classic Keyboard Feel by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2

    I'll project it over an original IBM PC keyboard missing it's cord so I can get a nice 'Clakity-Clack" feel for my Palm 105

  24. Sony PlayStation 2 Linux Banned from CeBIT by Blackwulf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just read a post here written by someone at SCEA confirming that CeBIT required all PlayStations to be removed from the show floor - even though they were not showing any games. (You can't play games at CeBIT, which I understand and agree with - but the Linux kit isn't a video game.) She even mentions that the signs with the apology could not mention the name PlayStation - they had to refer to it as "our computer system".

    This was a gadget I was wanting to hear about from CeBIT, too bad I won't be able to.

    1. Re:Sony PlayStation 2 Linux Banned from CeBIT by Rackemup · · Score: 2
      From what I read, Microsoft complained to the event organizer that Sony was letting people try out the Playstation2 when such behaviour was not allowed. Imagine, a company actually letting their potential customers try out a new device at a tradeshow? How dare they!

      Sounds like M$ was being catty, the organizers wouldnt have bothered if M$ hadnt complained.

    2. Re:Sony PlayStation 2 Linux Banned from CeBIT by Cy+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, Yahoo is running the story here.

      I don't understand why MS thinks this will win them any fans. The story includes a MS denial that they were the ones that ratted on Sony, but the show organizers have confirmed it was them.

      MS had people playing the XBox at the show, but they were paid MS employees. Sony should have just paid 1 euro to everyone that wanted to play on the PS2, then claimed they were doing the same thing as MS.

  25. Another Name by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

    > We used to lovingly call it the "hammerboard" because it would take a hammer on the buttons to register keystrokes. :)

    We used to refer to it lovingly as "case decoration" since that seemed to be its only use.

    Virg

  26. Re:See the VKB in action (Movie) by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 2

    MPlayer plays this file just fine under Linux.

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  27. Touch Typecasting by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

    I can't say I agree that all touch typists would miss the tactile feedback. That said, I personally would miss it, but I thought of a very good use. When possible, I could project the virtual keyboard on a real keyboard. The value is that I wouldn't need to connect the real keyboard so I can park it anywhere on the desk (without worrying about wireless keyboard communication, which causes audible interference in my sound recording gear or requires a line-of-sight to the sensor for IR), and I could use the projector without it when I'm away from the desk.

    Virg

  28. You're kidding... by TheMCP · · Score: 2

    When I read about the user inferface I thought it was a joke.

  29. Gadgets galore... by frozenray · · Score: 3, Informative
    what other gadgets from CeBIT are worth talking about this year?

    Here's a collection of neat CeBIT gadgets from the c't newsticker. All articles are in German, but there are pictures and links to the manufacturer's webpages:
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    1. Re:Gadgets galore... by uradu · · Score: 2

      The i-Buddie is a joke, primarily considering the target prices. If its main selling point is that it does away with "expensive" batteries by requiring mains power, and uses cheaper desktop components, where exactly is the savings? The mentioned prices are as high as regular notebooks with true portability.

    2. Re:Gadgets galore... by stripes · · Score: 2
      The idea is interesting, though: rechargeable batteries are bulky, heavy and expensive (ever tried to buy a replacement battery for an old laptop?). Price is only one factor, you can build a lighter system and/or one with and additional spindle.

      Apple has already done it...sort of. The old PowerBooks (before the G4 Ti PowerBooks) had two bays, one normally held a drive of some sort (CD, hard drive, DVD), one normally held the battery. Apple shipped a "weight saving device" which was just a hollow plastic rectangle that fit in the slot. Replacing the drive (DVD in my case) saved a little weight, replacing the battery saved a noticeable amount of weight. Still not like half the weight. You could also use two batteries which was one way to survive a long flight.

      Apple's way didn't save any money since the shipped a battery (list price $120, which one a PowerBook priced laptop is a whole lot less money then the drive, or that I spent on RAM...). I'm not sure the price savings is really all valuable. I don't use my laptop unplugged all that much, but I do like being able to move it without shutting down, and with "instant on" when I power it up again....hmmmm...and "not all that much" is about twice a week, so yeah, I would really miss it.

      As for space, the battery in the new PowerBook is pretty small, not large enough to get a CD-ROM, but probably big enough for another laptop drive.

      Now PowerPC CPUs (so far) use a lot less power then modern x86 CPUs, so you might save more weight/money/space on a x86 this way...

  30. You're asking the wrong question. by TheMCP · · Score: 2

    You're trying to compare this idea to the keyboard you would use on a laptop or desktop computer. I think that's not really a great comparison.

    Instead, try comparing the idea of typing a quick 2 paragraph email with a "virtual keyboard" to the idea of laboriously pecking out a one sentence email on the numeric keypad on your cell phone.

    Now is it a little more desirable? I thought so.

  31. Of course, what the world is waiting for... by serutan · · Score: 2

    is a gadget that can use any surface to display spam and online porn. For example:

    From: Sasha234x3qu8r@yahoo.com
    To: jb234923j492j34
    Subject: saw your recent posting

    Click Here to see Debbie Diamond, live in 3-D, on the kitchen counter next to the dish drainer!