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Thumbs Are the New Fingers for GameBoy Youth

An anonymous reader writes "Reuters is running an interesting story on how the use of gadgets such as mobile phones and GameBoys has caused a physical mutation in young people's hands. The use of the thumb is a deviation from the use of the index finger..."

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  1. Not a mutation by Jonathan · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is possible that the use of hand-held devices make one's own thumbs more dextrous, but that certainly doesn't cause a mutation, which is a genetic change. That would be Lamarkian inheritance of accquired characteristics. Both Slashdot and the article are using a completely incorrect term.

    1. Re:Not a mutation by bloggins02 · · Score: 5, Informative

      MODERATORS!!! Are you on crack? This is in no way "off-topic". The shift in allele frequencies to favor this trait through evolution would:

      a) not have happened yet, there hasn't been enough time

      b) not happen at all. How does scoring more points on your gameboy increase your reproductive fitness?

      Thus, the only way to posit that the latest generations have somehow developed a "mutation" which causes their thumbs to be more nimble is to invoke Lamarkism (which is primarily the view that acquired changes in the genetic code are inhereted by the next generation). This view has been refuted in so many ways it's not even funny, and for slashdot and the publication to use the word "mutation" clearly shows a lack of understanding of the fundamental processes of evolution.

      Why not try the more obvious approach: those people who have had to use their thumbs in more exacting roles tend to increase their skills in the use of their thumbs.

      Would you say it was a mutation that was causing all piano players to have more dextrous hands?

  2. Mutations are grrreeeat! by JoshKOTW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Except for the fact that our eyesight is going down the tubes for playing all these games. We are going to be the most versatile group of half blind geeks around. I know personally I'm only in my early 20's but have been playing games since I could pick up a controller and I'm having some problems with my hands lately. If I don't use an ergonomic keyboard I'll be in major discomfort for a few days. I've started taking Vioxx as an anti-inflammatory for my right thumb and index finger. I must be overworking these. I don't know about other geeks out there but I get scared about my hands cause these are my livelyhood and how I bring home the $$. I lose a finger or two and I'm SOL. So a message to geeks of tomorrow: Protect the digits at all costs!

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  3. Mutation? by asobala · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're suggesting people have used thumbs so often that they are more skilled with using thumbs than index fingers. Not a mutation.

  4. Hmm, I have mutated too? by Wizard+of+OS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In her research, Plant noticed that while those less used to mobile phones used one or several fingers to access the keypad, younger people used both thumbs ambidextrously, barely looking at the keys as they made rapid entries.


    If I play a musical instrument then I don't look at my fingers anymore (either when playing the piano or guitar), does that mean that I have mutated in a musick playing monster? ;-)

    I think the author mixed 'learning' with 'mutating'
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    1. Re:Hmm, I have mutated too? by rde · · Score: 5, Funny

      does that mean that I have mutated in a musick playing monster?
      Only if you play the accordion.

  5. Re:This questions the old ideas about evolution by shyster · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Evolution (as in "altering of physical form of whole populations of individuals due to external factors") seems much more likely to happen over a few generations. The "old school" is teaching us that evolution is happening only on course of hundeds or thousands of generations. This may not be the case actually.

    It's not evolution! It's common sense! Use your thumbs more, and they'll become stonger, more flexible, and more dexterous. Not evolution, muscles.

  6. exciting new research! by xonos · · Score: 5, Funny

    HEADLINE: People who use their thumbs more are able to use their thumbs better! Scientists are baffeled because of the "geek" tie in. There might be link between this and runners who run alot can run better. News at 11.

  7. So, to sum it up... by YouAreFatMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...people who use their thumbs more often have better coordination with their thumbs.

    Can anyone say "slow news day" ?

    Tomorrow on slashdot:
    "People who type a lot don't even have to look at the keys"
    "Study discovers that engineers better at factoring quadratic equations than grocery clerks"
    "Musicians who practice more often are better musicians"

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    1. Re:So, to sum it up... by |<amikaze · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can factor a grocery clerk?

    2. Re:So, to sum it up... by kesuki · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course you can factor a grocery clerk. The grocery Clerk factor is perhaps the broadest of the retail clerk factors, since nearly everyone at some time or another must go to a grocery store to purchase food. The grocery clerk factor is a a basic method of calculating how long you'll have to wait in line, based on the time you go to checkout. since this factor can vary greatly, it can impact the entire day, by making you late for each subsequent appointment.
      Based on my local research the worst times to approach a checkout are between 4pm and 8pm.

  8. Shoulder buttons did it to me by evilned · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in the NES days I would use my index and middle fingers for the b and a buttons, the genesis controller was designed so I could do the same. But once shoulder buttons started to be on all controllers, from the SNES onwards, I couldnt pull that off. Now that the GBA has shoulder buttons, I cant think of a game system that you can reasonably use all the buttons with out using your thumb as the main button presser

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  9. Re:dictionary.com by khuber · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. The act or process of being altered or changed.
    2. An alteration or change, as in nature, form, or quality.

    Why don't you go look up "connotation" and "denotation" in your fancy computer dictionary too, cut and paste boy.

    P.S. you forgot to paste entries 3 (genetics) and 4 (linguistics).

    -Kevin

  10. Uh no... by kypper · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, far be it for me, a biochemistry student, to argue with a dictionary that gives an overall definition of each word, but... you're wrong.
    Mutation is a genetic alteration at the cellular level; what these people are doing is training their bodies, in this case, their thumbs, in such a way that they have better control. You could technically paint with your toes as well (many people do it) but it's not a mutation.
    A mutation is a random alteration of one or more chromosomes in the nucleus of the cell resulting in different productions/responses.
    Nor is the parent of your comment correct, either; a mutation does NOT have to be in the germ line cells in order to be a mutation (in which case the mutation would be transmitted to offspring). Mutations can occur in standard mitotic cells and never be passed to offspring; Lemarkian inheritance has nothing to do with anything, but especially not with mitotic cells. I think we all know that a 'mutation' for the dexterity of the thumb is not occuring in the 'balls' of the 'gentlemen' who use technology and then father offspring.

    1. Re:Uh no... by 56ker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a link to the original story - original story. In it mutation is not mentioned at all - which makes me think it was added when the article was re-written at Reuters - then the mistake added. Strangely the /. headline is the original Observer one & not the Reuters one.

  11. dict.org by Sc00ter · · Score: 4, Informative

    From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :

    Mutation \Mu*ta"tion\, n. [L. mutatio, fr. mutare to change: cf. F. mutation. See Mutable.]
    Change; alteration, either in form or qualities.

    The vicissitude or mutations in the superior globe are no fit matter for this present argument. --Bacon.

    From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :

    Mutation \Mu*ta"tion\, n.
    1. (Biol.) Gradual definitely tending variation, such as may be observed in a group of organisms in the fossils of successive geological levels.

    2. (Biol.)
    (a) As now employed (first by de Vries), a sudden variation (the offspring differing from its parents in some well-marked character or characters) as distinguished from a gradual variations in which the new characters become fully developed only in the course of many generations. The occurrence of mutations, and the hereditary transmission, under some conditions, of the characters so appearing, are well-established facts; whether the process has played an important part in the evolution of the existing species and other groups of organisms is a disputed question.
    (b) The result of the above process; a suddenly produced variation.

    From WordNet (r) 1.6 :

    mutation
    n 1: an organism that has characteristics resulting from chromosomal alteration [syn: mutant, sport]
    2: the process or event of mutating

  12. so.... by Emugamer · · Score: 4, Funny

    does this mean the phrase "all thumbs" is now a compliment?

  13. stigmata by llamalicious · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank god someone finally went public with this.
    For years now, I've noticed myself using my thumbs for everything: opening doors, eating, picking things up, and almost everything I use my hands for.
    I've hid my hands in shame for so long now, thinking I was a freak. At least now I can take the mittens off... ~sniff~

  14. Natural result of changing interfaces by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ignoring the nonsensical use of "mutation"... I've noticed that little kids use their thumbs like adults use their forefingers. But the current crop of kids are the first generation that grew up with buttons on EVERYTHING, and were introduced to it right out of the crib. How many kids nowadays have ever seen a rotary dial telephone?

    I think it's the natural effect of a transition from gadgets where the forefinger or a thumb-and-fingers grip was the reasonable choice (such as rotary phone dials and rotary controls on TVs, stoves, etc) to gadgets that are button-driven, so any digit will do the job.

    If you watch toddlers, you'll notice they try to press buttons with their thumbs far more often than they try to press them with an index finger. To a toddler, everything is for gripping (not for poking) so the gripping member (the thumb) is the natural choice.

    If you grow up with buttons on every gadget in the house, it's likely that you'll continue to use your thumb, rather than getting retrained to use an index finger (as getting your thumb damnear ripped off by a phone's rotary dial will enforce in a hurry).

    This is no different from the sort of retraining that happens with any interface transition. It just happens to coincide with a physical action that comes more naturally to little kids, hence is easy to continue doing as they grow up.

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  15. Detective Work; I have uncovered bullshit by sam_handelman · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can find the exact text of the original "research", such as it is, here. Google dwells in the sky and rules us.

    The thing is a glossy advertising sheet which motorala purchased - NOT a research paper. The word "Data" DOES NOT EVEN APPEAR. Likewise, the words power, mean and measurement, and the letter n, are nowhere used in any statistical sense. The "research" seems to involve no hard numbers WHATSOEVER. The report has no references, although the author has peppered it with the names of her friends, along with vague, sweeping claims about the results of their "research" (if you can find evidence anywhere of where this supposed work was reported, by all means, post!) If there was ever any primary data associated with this report, it is not here and I cannot find it, although Dr. Plant includes a dozen glossy photographs she took herself. Dr. Sophie Plant, the author of the article, has quit her job at the University of Warwick's cybernetic culture research unit (a fact reuters also glosses over) in order, supposedly, to write full time.

    Incidentally, the cybernetic culture research unit, established by Dr. Sadie Plant (author of the report), seems to do a lot of, yes I will keep the quotes, "research" into the experiences of people abducted by UFOs. Their homepage reads like the ravings of a new age schizophrenic.

    This paper is absolute vapor; even in the field of Sociology is stands out for it's lack of substance.

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