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When Elephants Dance

One Michael Fraase has written an excellent piece on the battle between the entertainment industry and everyone else titled "When Elephants Dance." Well worth reading, and bookmarking, and referring newbies to in order to get them up to speed in the digital content wars. His solution is right on, too, IMHO.

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  1. The Solution by Phrogz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In case it gets /.-ed, the 'solution' referred to is:
    The solution is actually quite simple and requires only three steps:
    1. Revert the term of copyright to 14 years, immediately and retroactive to all existing works.
    2. Recognize moral rights in the works authors create, like every other civilized country on the planet. Make it immediate and retroactive to all existing works.
    3. Prohibit any corporation from owning a copyright. Corporations create nothing; they're consensual hallucinations and exist at our pleasure. I don't know about you, but I'm not much pleased any more.

    What I don't get, from reading the article, is: who is the second elephant? The technology companies like Philips or MS?

    1. Re:The Solution by meggito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The two elephants are the entertainment industry and the technology industry. Both Philips and Microsoft are part of the second elephant.

    2. Re:The Solution by Phrogz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OK, but the article starts off "when elephants dance, get out of the way". That's an amusing phrase, but is it supposed to mean anything for us?

      "Look out the elephants are dancing, hide behind the trees and see who comes out the winner!"

      This is advocating the wrong solution, IMO. The real saying should be "when two elephants fight, and the outcome is important to you, get your ass in there and start pounding on the enemy elephant!"

    3. Re:The Solution by Arandir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Probibiting corporations from owning a copyright is interesting. I don't know if it's practical, but it is interesting.

      Corporations may be legal entities, but they are not human beings. Neither are they citizens of any nation. A single one paragraph bill stating that copyrights will only be issued to citizens of the United States would do it. We would still have to recognize the Berne convention, and honor copyrights granted to corporations from other nations, but we don't have to perpetuate this myth that corporations are people.

      Corporations do not create works. Their employees do. Give the copyright to the employee that created the work. As part of the "standard" employee agreement, a work created by an employee on company time would be automatically licensed to the company free of charge for any use, but copyright still belongs to the employee.

      At the minimum, there is a seed for thought here.

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    4. Re:The Solution by Raetsel · · Score: 5, Informative

      • "when two elephants fight, and the outcome is important to you, get your ass in there and start pounding on the enemy elephant!"
      BAD idea. They make elephant guns for a reason! Getting "in there" gets you squashed, as the article points out. We're supposed to be smarter than that -- we need to be encouraging lawyers (EFF, etc.), buying our own legislators, and educating other voters!!

      I did this experiment: I talked to some other customers in Best Buy once -- we were in front of the HDTVs.

      • "Do you know they're still fighting over the broadcast standard?"
      • "Do you know the broadcasters want to be able to stop you from recording HDTV programs?"
      • "Do you know where you can get HDTV content?"

        "Nope"
        "Nope"

        And...

        "I think our cable system carries it."

      It turned out the person I'd chosen was the vice-president of the local (about 300 person) Cigna office. Lawyer by education, manager by profession. Neither her, nor her husband, had heard a thing about the battles we flame about on a daily basis!

      Ouch.

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  2. the entertainment industry complains... by DuckyExMachina · · Score: 4, Interesting

    but they did it too. I was reading an article for my silent film class at lunch today, and it described a court case where for the first time filmmakers were forced to pay an author of a book for putting it on screen (apparently a film company had made an adaptation of 'Ben Hur' without crediting or paying the author of the book). This quote from the article struck me: "There was no copyright law to protect authors and I could, and did, infringe on everything", that was Gene Gauntier, who wrote the unauthorized adaptation of Ben Hur. talk about the pot calling the kettle black in this whole distribution-of-content mess. as soon as the technology shows up, people will infringe on copyrights. it happened in 1912, and it'll happen now.

  3. Copyright Act of 1790 provided for 14+14 years by yerricde · · Score: 4, Informative

    The demand to restrict the copyright to 14 years is pretty naive.

    The Copyright Act of 1790 provided for a 14-year copyright term, renewable for 14 additional years. I remember reading that life expectancy for five-year-olds (a statistic that ignores infant mortality but does include child prodigies) has not increased significantly in the 200-odd years since that act was passed.

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  4. 14 years - ok for an artist - big suckage for corp by Slashamatic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Artists generally keep on creating. Fourteen years is a long time for many of them. You are not obliged to spend your gains on coke, etc and can set aside money like the rest of us try to do.

    The corp is different, it doesn't create. It is just a very large self-perpetuating overhead. At the same time a corporation is a useful way that large projects get financed, allowing the risk and losses to be split. Companies started as ways of financing risky projects such as a ship of trade goods on a single return journey.

    Keep the corporate rights holder, after all we want films like LOTR financed, don't we? However, I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of limiting the length of the rights to 14 years.

  5. There's only one problem with this... by Redhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ex post facto laws (making laws retroactive) are illegal as per the Constitution.

    Although, given the reparations for slavery case, maybe I'm mistaken.

    I support the solution that the original author cites, but making them retroactive is gonna be difficult.

    Redhawk

    1. Re:There's only one problem with this... by nathanm · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Ex post facto laws (making laws retroactive) are illegal as per the Constitution.
      Right, that's why there needs to be a lawsuit that overturns the copyright extensions, so they effectively never existed.

      The Copyright Act of 1790 set the copyright period as 14 years, with the opportunity to renew for 14 years if the author was still alive. Since the people that passed this law were essentially the same ones that wrote the Constitution, with its limited time for copyrights, I think this law was in line with the framers original intent.

      Like the article said, the 14 year period lasted for 100 years. Then it was extended 11 times in the the next 100 years! These extensions have absolutely nothing to do with the works' authors and inventors and everything to do with corporate subsidies.

      The solutions he presents are exactly what needs to happen.
  6. Tell me. . . by jafac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the fuck to the MPAA and RIAA member companies think they're going to do when all computers are encumbered with this new copy-protection technology?

    Lucas wants to go 100% digital, from the lens to the screen.
    Disney wants to eliminate celluloid from the animation process, most animated features are done largely on computer.
    Tell me that all the digital toys the music industry has to play with could be dispensed with in the production of the latest BoyBand video?

    So - you're going to take all your creative professionals, encumber the fuck out of their equipment, you'll be increasing your OWN production costs by an order of magnitude - and more since you wont be able to use cheap commodity hardware anymore, because economy of scale will not apply to things that mainstream consumers aren't going to buy zillions of. And who's going to support your encumbered technology? Certainly not the $10/hr MCSE who learned NT and Linux on his homebrew Athalon running pirated software playing pirated MP3s.

    Eisner says he's tired of being finessed by the technology industry? I think he's too full of himself. Don't bite the hand that feeds you Mickey.

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  7. There's one part of the solution missing... by PolyDwarf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... A mandate for Fair Use.
    IE something that reads along the lines of "Fair Use rights must be exercisable."
    Right now, we have the rights, but the industry is making it so we can't exercise them.

  8. Great article, bizarre conclusions . . . by raresilk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I was looking at the end for the "next page" link, where the author explained how his conclusion would solve the problem. I'm forced to conclude that either: (1) the editor cut off the last half of the article, (2) the author never finished writing it, or (3) the second martini kicked in about the time he wrote the bizarre conclusion. I quote below, with my remarks in italics:

    The solution is actually quite simple and requires only three steps:

    Revert the term of copyright to 14 years, immediately and retroactive to all existing works.

    Oh, okay, we give the media companies 14 free years of screwing us every which way but loose. They can charge us rent, per play, per eardrum, for every time we listen to a song, sell us CDs of that song that vaporize after 3 plays and don't work at all unless your stereo has been inspected by the FBI, and break into our homes any time day or night to confiscate our computers and look for digital copies of the song. But only if the song is less than 14 years old. Whew, I feel better.

    Recognize moral rights in the works authors create, like every other civilized country on the planet. Make it immediate and retroactive to all existing works.

    Um, okay, so in addition to copyright holders treating us like criminals, we'll have the authors on our ass too, throwing us in jail if we quote a sentence or sample a riff, or anything else they feel insults the dignity of their work. This is supposed to be a solution? It sounds like a whole new can of worms to me. The reason that the USA does not recognize so-called "moral rights" for authors is quite simple -- we have something called Freedom of Speech in the First Amendment that allows us to quote or criticize authors, and engage in "fair use" of their works -- rights that were unquestioned until the DMCA power grab. Contrary to the suggestion that it would be liberating for consumers, the European "moral rights" regime is in rationale and practice rather similar to what the media companies are seeking to institute in the US.

    Prohibit any corporation from owning a copyright. Corporations create nothing; they're consensual hallucinations and exist at our pleasure. I don't know about you, but I'm not much pleased any more.

    The basis of the problem is found in a single court ruling: Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad. In this 1886 dispute, the U.S. Supreme Court found that a private corporation was a "natural person" under the Constitution and enjoyed the same protections as a citizen under the Bill of Rights. Corporations from that point forward were granted all of the rights and freedoms of a private citizen, yet none of the responsibilities. We made a mistake; hey, shit happens. It's not too late to fix it.

    Exactly where do you get your information about the law? Being a "natural person" is a two-way street -- contrary to this statement, corporations are subject to all the legal responsibilities that wetware persons have. In addition, they can have the fiction of their "personhood" revoked or legally disregarded if they misuse it - not so for individuals. True, large corporations are better equipped than the average "natural person" to push the envelope of legal rights and responsibilities, but that is by virtue of their superior economic resources, not their corporate status. Case in point: accused-criminal-come-lately accounting firm Arthur Andersen is huge, rich and powerful, but it is a partnership, not a corporation. Does that make their Enron document shredding less culpable?

    In sum, despite the article's cogent analysis of the problem (including the media companies' true goal of eliminating the personal computer, which I brought up a few weeks ago), none of the proposed solutions will do a thing about it, and I submit they would only make matters worse.

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  9. A big problem with his solution: by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Blockquoth the article:
    3. Prohibit any corporation from owning a copyright. Corporations create nothing; they?re consensual hallucinations and exist at our pleasure. I don?t know about you, but I?m not much pleased any more.
    Ok, who's the "author" of a movie? Is it the writer? The director? The editor? Or, maybe one of the major actors?

    I guess that the director can only go into business for himself. No company can own the copyright, so he has to use his personal budget for funding the film. If it flops, he has to declare personal bankruptcy, instead of letting some corporation absorb the hit. How is this supposed to make things better?

    I agree with the rest of the article. It's the first time I've seen this stated so well. I'm just curious about how he expects this last point to work.

    ps: He should run the Demoroniser over his MS-Word documents before publishing them to the web!

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  10. Moral Rights? No, no, no. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Moral-based copyrights are an extraordinarily bad idea. Fortunately no one had been so stupid as to come up with them when the Copyright Clause was established. (in fact, virtually no one had copyrights then either -- the first law having been enacted less than a century prior)

    The U.S. has a far superior utilitarian model. Essentially, it permits copyrights to be established if, and only to the extent that, they serve a public good. Moral rights are backwards, in that they promote the interests of the author as an end unto themselves. However, the genius of the framers was that authors should best be treated rather like cattle. (it's worth noting here that for several years I supported myself entirely as an artist)

    A dairy farmer is not interested in the well-being of his animals. He doesn't care if they're happy. He cares about milk yield and quality. If pampering the cows will produce sufficient quantities of good milk that it is worthwhile to do so, he will. If not, he won't. Thus the lack of solid gold cowbells.

    Likewise, where the public interest in having a body of works that is freely usable in all possible ways, and that concerns as many subjects as the human mind can imagine is served, copyright makes sense. Creating copyright to provide for artists is stupid -- it harms the public interest, and the public doesn't get anything out of it. Creating copyright to encourage artists so as to increase the number of distinct but comprehensible works, and limiting it so as to permit free use, is far better.

    If your intentions are to help artists, you'll do the former. (unless you really think about it, and remember that artists are members of the public too, and rely on existing works constantly) If your intentions are to help the public, you'll do the latter.

    Copyright's fine -- in moderation, and for the right aims. This is not a concept that meshes with the silly nonsense about moral rights, however. The author of the linked article is using about the worst means possible to try to serve a public interest, and it'll backfire spectacularly.

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  11. Not a good solution by gilroy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Blockquoth the article:

    Revert the term of copyright to 14 years, immediately and retroactive to all existing works.


    This would be a terrible idea to enact. As soon as this law was enacted, we'd have massive suits by content holders that it was a "taking". Either the government would have to overturn the law or it would have to "justly compensate" each and every holder of any copyright of any value. Bleh.


    On the other hand, saying that new copyrights last for only 14 years is not a taking, as a thing not yet created has no value. I think I could accept the tragic loss of public domain we've suffered, if I knew for sure it was a temporary aberration.

  12. Re:Ah... by Arandir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Corporations are legal persons, not citizens. There is a difference. Citizens can vote. Corporations cannot. Citizens can get drivers licenses. Corporations cannot. Citizens can hold public office. Corporations cannot.

    Lest you think I'm sticking up for corporations, let me assure you that I am not. Citizens can be tried for crimes. Corporations cannot. That last point is crucial. Microsoft is not being tried for any felony.

    But the article you pointed me two has one very gross error amid its wealth of information. It tried to distinguish between the oppression of government and the oppression of corporations. They are one and the same. The East India Company, Massachusetts Bay Company, etc., were all chartered corporations. That meant that the power they wielded came directly from the British government. When independence was gained from the the British government, the corporations instantly ceased to have any power over the former colonists.

    If you rebel against corporations but ignore the government, you are accomplishing nothing. The only power they have over you is derived from the government. The RIAA and MCAA is not legislating any law. Congress is doing that. It is only because the people of the United States have elected spineless cowards and money grubbing opportunists that we face this current problem.

    If Disney and Sony suddenly disappeared tomorrow, our legal rights regarding digital content would still be in jeapardy. Stomp out Disney and another corporation will take its place. But if you take away the power of Congress to control your rights, then they won't have that power to sell to the highest bidder.

    I fear any government, of any political persuasion, that is so large that it has to power to tell what I can or cannot do with my CDs.

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